Hey, guys' sad, We've got great show coming for you this week. We've got the takeaways off the top, not one but two special guests, and as always, you wrap things up with the sixth Fact. Let's go all right, Welcome into the mm QB Podcast with Albert Prere. It's the middle of June right now. That means there's not a whole lot going on. A bunch of teams shut down their off season programs at the end of last week. I think you'll see more of that this week, probably some teams going into next week with their young guys, but for the most part, the virtual part of the off season program is over. I think a lot of coaches have sort of felt like they've gotten to the point where they've done what they can do over the computer. They're gonna let guys go. They're gonna let their coaches go, and we'll see where it goes from here. We don't know when coaches and players are going to report back. The date for most teams is July. The question now becomes whether or not they're going to be showing up to camp early um do accommodated longer acclamation period, or if they show up on time again that report date for most teams in July with the idea that they had the acclamation period and they cancel some preseason games UM to accommodate the that that period of time. So that's what's ahead right now. We still have plenty for you here. We've got two great guests coming in. But we're gonna start as we always do, with the takeaways. And my first takeaway for the week. I don't know if you guys were watching on Tuesday night, Roger Goodell, this is actually Monday night. Roger Goodell went on ESPN as part of UM this Return to Sports special that all the commissioners on told Mike Greenberg on Colin Kaepernick, if he wants to resume his career in the NFL, then obviously it's going to take a team to make that decision. But I welcome that support of club making that decision, encourage them to do that. If his efforts are on the field but continuing to work on this space, we welcome him to the table and to help us guide us, help us make better decisions about the kinds of things that need to be done in the communities. We have invited him in before and we want to make sure that aybody's welcome at that table and trying to help us deal with some very complex, difficult issues that have been around for a long time. But I hope we're at a point now where everybody's committed to making long term sustainable change. So my basic takeaway from this is that I think getting Colin Kaepernick on the roster is going to be a little complicated right now for a couple of different reasons. Uh. Number one, I think it's I think part of the issue is going to be if the NFL manufacturers something. Does he see that as patronizing? Does he see it as a team trying to do it to make themselves look good? Does he see it as the team trying to put the issue to bed and so rightfully because that trust has been broken over the last three or four years between Colin Kaepernick and the league. There, I think there's the question of how he views an opportunity if it does come along. The next question from a football standpoint, is he willing to go somewhere on a we'll see deal. Does he want to play bad enough where if a team says we'll bring you in on the minimum or we'll bring you in less than a million bucks, and there's no guarantee that you're gonna make the team, but we will give you an opportunity and you'll get reps in the summer and you'll get to your get your chance. Is that good enough? And on the flip side, how many teams are willing to do that knowing they may create a problem for themselves if they have to cut Colin Kaepernick at the end of camp. Because I remember the last time Colin Kaepernick played, there were questions that summer over whether or not he was gonna make before Niners roster. They had tried to trade him earlier in the year, they benched him during the year. So you know, the possibility after now this would be three seasons away that he may not be in position to make an NFL team is there. And so that's part of it too. I just think that this is this is not a straight line issue, and I look like I'd love to see what Colin Kaepernick has left. I'd love to see how he's able to evolve as a player. You may remember, like his explosion onto the scene happened right when, you know, during Thibomania in two thousand and uh, you know, right after Thibomania two thousand eleven, two twelve, r G three had the huge year, was Rookie of the Year. So while the sort of scheme stuff and the sort of the different types of college offenses we're hitting the NFL, Colin Kaepernick hit just right and was awesome for a couple of years, and his career tailed off from there. And so I'd be fascinated to see what the next chapter to that is. I think, you know, it would be a good message to everybody to see him get his opportunity. I just think some of this is gonna come down to, you know, a finding a team that is willing to do it. That of course is first, and then be how this opportunity is presented to him and what he's willing to accept. And so there are still some things to work out there. My guess is he probably, you know, he probably gets an opportunity, and you know, again, then the question will become whether or not it's good enough. I'm interested to see how all of it plays out. Um, it's gonna be fascinating to watch, especially you know, during a year in which, for the first time it feels like quarterbacks supply really outweigh demand where you know you had Cam Newton and you still have Cam Newton out there. Joe Flacco was out there without a job for quite some time and you know, wound up going to a place where he knows the general manager. Joe Douglas was actually the area scout who evaluated him coming out of Delaware UM in two thousand eight. In Baltimore, you know, you had Jamis Winston available for a long stretch during the off season. So we've seen this offseason has been a different one at the quarterback position. But I'd love to see what it would look like Colin Kaebernet getting on a roster and competing for a spot. And the unique thing that I think is gonna make it. You know, the thing that's like unique about this year that I think makes it a little different is you probably won't have crowds at training camp. You're not gonna have a crowd in the stadium, so you don't have to deal with all of that. And on top of it, you know, I think more teams are probably looking at the idea of adding him from a non football standpoint as a positive versus where you know, three or four years ago, I think a lot of teams would have looked at the idea of bringing him in is like, oh, we have to deal with this and this and this. I think it's different now, and I think that's because so much has changing our country. Question or take away number two, Uh, this is this has come up, UM, and it's going to continue to come up COVID nineteen, the situation in Dallas, the situation in Houston, Zeke getting it. We've heard now coaches talk about quarantining quarterbacks. Uh, Bruce Arians and Tampa brought it up. Doug Peterson and Philly is another one who brought it up to me. Like the whole idea of what you do UM coming out of positive cases is a fascinating one. And so like this is this isn't gonna affect von Miller or Zeke Elliott or any of the guys who have it now. In fact, like some of those guys might wind up being better off getting it now, because you know they would have built up some immunity by the time we get the training camp. UM. But there are a lot of open questions there, and I think that those are the questions that we need to start asking what happens when a guy as positive is he automatically on the shelf for two weeks? What happens if a team has a position group wiped out by it? Um? And you know, like, how do you handle the reserve lists? And I'm assuming there's going to be a special reserve list for a COVID nineteen because it's gonna be hard to feel the team if there's an outbreak in your locker room and you don't have somewhere to put those players and save the roster spots so you can go out and play on a week to week basis, and so um. You know, I don't think that this is going to affect necessarily Zeke. I don't think it's going to affect the Cowboys who were to test IT positive this week or the Texans who tested positive this week. But I do think the idea raises questions and questions that I think Doug Peterson and Philly and Bruce arians and Tampa we're sort of travel sort of starting to answer, like how do you handle your roster? How do you manage your roster? Knowing that even an asymptomatic player, a guy who doesn't feel well, a guy, a guy who feels fine but has COVID nineteen might be forced to the sideline, might not be able to play for you. Um, lots of stuff as far as that goes to work out. And you know again, I think this is why some of the teams have really supported the idea of pushing the season back, because they would like to see how that works in other sports. Doesn't look like that's going to happen because the league wants to push forward with the season as scheduled. Uh take away number three. Dan Quinn Um, the Atlanta Falcons coach, said this when he was asked about whether or not he would kneel with his players. If and when the players choose to protest and whatever the way they choose, then hell yeah, I'll support them in whatever they choose to do. Let's get that out first. UM. I think it's a good message from dan Quinn, but I think it's got extra weight to it too, just because of who dan Quinn is, what his history is, who he's been. This is a guy who is embedded with the military as any coach in the NFL. UM. He has great respect for the military. He was involved um at the at the ground four level with m v P, the Venture Boyer and UM Jay Glazer started to UM connect athletes with veterans and help them transition out. And so I think the fact that dan Quinn is the one saying this um has a great weight all the other guys too. Like the other coaches, I think Bill O'Brien saying that there's there's there's way to a lot of other coaches coming out and supporting their players in this way and saying that they will all kneel with their players. There is power in that. But I think dan Quinn, because of his attachment to the military, I think, you know, that adds a little extra way to it. And to me, I thought that was really interesting. Take Away number four Byron Leftwich said something really interesting about Tom Brady when he was asked this week, he said, I think the greatest challenge is this, He's been somewhere for twenty years. You guys know, some of you may have worked at the same job for twenty years, and you've done something for twenty years in one spot, and there's change is automatically different. It doesn't matter if it's better or worse, it's just different. And I try to communicate with him I want him to just talk football. I know you've been saying things a certain way for so long. So it's not a play that he hasn't heard heard of. It's not a play that he hasn't run. We just got to figure out what he does well and make sure we run a lot more of those plays on Sunday than not. This I think goes back to the whole plan for Tom Brady going into this offseason when Bruce Arians and Jason Light signed to Tom Brady. The agreement they came to was it was going to be easier for Brady to learn everyone else's offense than it would be for everyone else to learn Brady's offense. And so they were going to keep the Bruce Arians uh dialects that that that noman plaits are in place, like, so how Bruce Arians calls an offense, how he terms certain things. That's going to stay the same for the benefit of the other ten guys in the huddle, and Brady was going to have to learn it. And then in turn, they were going to work through the offense, find the stuff that Brady likes, the stuff that Brady does well, and Taylor of the offense to Brady. I remember talking to a couple of guys there who said, there's everything that everything that Brady needs to do is in the offense. You just have to find it. So they're in the process of finding it. I think what's really really what's going to be something to watch here is how the Box are able to continue to challenge Brady with new stuff, how they're able to challenge him. And this is for Bruce Arians, this is for Clack Christiansen, this is for Byron Left, which is for everybody who's gonna work with Brady. How they're going to make the offense fit for him, How they're gonna make it complex enough where he can use his mind because that's his strength, um use his experience because that's his strength, while at the same time making it simple enough for everybody else around him to run it effectively. And so I think that part is gonna be fascinating seeing all of that come together, because for the last twenty years, I mean, they've been sort of revising and tweaking and changing a little bit, but they haven't been The Patriots have sort of made that offense fit like a glove for Brady. Now he's going to start from zero, and I think that piece of it's interesting and coming from such a detailed, um detailed, militaristic place like, it's gonna be interesting seeing him coming out of there and going somewhere else and whether the detail matches, how he's going to handle that on a week to week basis the very very competitive guy, very very detailed guy. And so I'm just I'm interested to see how the next couple of months ago with Brady and Bruce, Arians, Brady and Byron Leftwedge, Brady and Clyde Christiansen, and then of course Brady, Mike Evans, Brady, Chris Godwin, Brady, O J. Howard cam Brad. Um, you know all that I think is gonna be really really interesting. Take Away number five, Um, the Niners did the right thing paying Kyle Shanahan, and iinders did the right thing giving Kyle Shanahan a second six year contract. It's rare that coaches get contracts that long. This is the second time he's gotten one. The first time he got a six year contract, it was because it was hard to trust the Niners based on how they'd gone through coaches in the years previous. You may remember Harbaugh was the coach in fourteen. Jim tom Seela was the coach fifteen. Chip Kelly was the coach in sixteen, so they were going on their fourth coach in four years this time around. Kyle Shannion's getting a new deal because he earned it. He I believe, and if if he's not there, he's close. I believe. He's one of seven coaches in the NFL now making ten million dollars or more, joining Bill Belichick, John Peyton, John Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, uh John Gruden, and depending on how you look at this deal, Sean McVeigh. So those seven guys Belichick, Peyton, Harbach, Carroll, Gruden, Shanahan McVeigh are the only guys making eight figures a year in the NFL from a coaching standpoint, Is it worth it? Hell? Yeah, it's worth it. Do you know how many players make ten million dollars a year? One hundred and eight, one hundred and eighty eight players make ten million dollars a year, and those guys counting against salary cap, these guys, these seven guys make ten million bucks. And I look at the list. Belichick has won six Super Bowls. Peyton's want a Super Bowl Harbos won a Super Bowl, Carol's want a Super Bowl. Gruten's won a Super Bowl. And I'd say Kyle and Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh are the two premier young coaches in football. All seven of those guys are worth every penny. It doesn't count against the salary cap. If if you compare to what players are making, it's really I mean, like I'm it's middling if you compared to what players are making. And in a sport like football, having the right head coach is so important, and so I don't think there's a better bargain. There may not be a better bargain in sports than having one of these elite head coaches in the NFL at that rate. So good on the Niners. Good on Kyle Shanahan for finding the right place and finding a place that believes him and finding a place that will go all in on him. Um, it's like I said, that's money very well spent by the San Francisco forty nine. And we will get to our first of two guests right after this. Yeah, all right, Well, dos you guys know we've had a bunch of different guys who've worked with quarterbacks on over the last few months and different stages of everything that's been going on in our country. Um, you know, the challenges that some players have have faced. And so, uh, I wanted to have one of my favorite guys on a guy we talked um last year with for the column on the Black Quarterbacks Summit that he put together last year. UM, a little more difficult to pull something like that off this year, but he's been working with all of his guys through all of this. Quincy Avery, private quarterback coach at QB takeover what's going on. But I'm doing excellent. I'm good, I'm good, all right, So so let's start here. Um, you know you you work with you work with Deshaun Watson, with Dwayne Haskins, with Josh Dobbs, with Jalen Hurts. So you know, I think obviously like the first question at the beginning of all of this would have been, you know, back in March, like how do we go forward? So if you can take me back there where you were at and kind of how you guys started to put together a plan for what you wanted to work on and how you guys are actually gonna pull it off. So interesting enough, Deshaun was in Atlanta when everything kind of started to pick up. Um just got I literally came from Jayleen h pro day, flew back to Atlanta. Deshaun was just starting his where we go six weeks, our six weeks schedule, getting ready for him to go to camp, and we're just beginning that process. So it was very tricky, um because really really rapidly it went from us trying to work out every day to us not being able to go to any fields. Right all the fields were legit shut down. We couldn't go in anywhere. Um. So that quickly ended. Deshauns like Guardom to go back to Houston. So essentially almost all the guys that I work with were incapable of doing anything. For the first couple of weeks, it was it was nothing. None of the quarterbacks really working or able to figure out much of a plan, with the exception of Jail And because his dad's a high school coach. So with Jalen, I started imploying like, all right, these are the drills that I want you to work on. I'm gonna send you a video of us doing the drill previously or something else doing the drill um and this is what I would work on right now so that you're ready when it's time to go to camp. And we've tried to do that every couple of weeks with Jalen de Shawn. I have talked a little bit with Dwayne. I don't send him drills in the same way. He's been doing a lot of different routes because he has a number of his receivers back. I'm in the Washington, DC area, UM and he's actually gonna be flying into Atlanta this Friday so that we can get back together and start working, uh and kind of get a playing together for this last stretch because it seems like the guys are not gonna be going back to work with their teams until around July. End of July seems like that's when they're gonna be able to get back together. So, like, was it with each guy then? Was it like you were picking you'd maybe already picked out some things that you guys wanted to work on this offseason. Then it was just a matter of delivering the information to them, Um, like, like what was it like like with it? And if you can, if there's insight you can give on on what on what it was that each guy wanted to work on, and that'd be great too. Yeah, So with each quarterback, what we do is we watched all the throws in the previous season and we say, all right, we need to work on X, Y and Z. So it's pretty specific in terms of everybody's menu of things that they want to be uh want to improve on this upcoming year. And then we say, all right, this is how we're gonna attack it. We agree, and then we just go from there. So I set a plan of attack on exactly what those things are, and they always vary. Um, the wye's a little bit different than the sean's um. And then guys who didn't play like a Josh dog, like he didn't have any steps last year. So we don't look at the previous season in the same way. It's like, how do we do overall player improvement so that when you do get your opportunity this year, you're ready to have a great stretch and then continue your career. So um, everybody has that unique dynamic nous to their workout. And then if we don't have things previously that we worked on, I'll get in my yard and I'll work on those things and explain it um bit by bit. So it's really how can I really relay the information that I want them to understand and making sure that we agree on the steps we want to take to get better at all those different things. So you said, what with Deshan, you had a six week plan? Then that was like, this is gonna be the ramp up to O T A S. And that gets cut short. What were you working with on de Sean? And did he wind up coming back to it? When I think he did right, me and him have gotten together. He didn't get to come back to it Atlanta, so he was gone. He actually flew back in for a weekend. We don't get to work out. But yeah, the six weeks, so it's like a six week menu. Um so I've literally we've charted out exactly on me throws, exactly what we want to get done, where we want to throw on the ball, the foot works for each of the throws. Um I don't I try to let them if they want to talk about the individual things that they want to improve, I'll let them share it. But I just want to kind of let him be the guy who can boop its that information. Okay, so when you when you when when you when you talk to them, what do they want, like, like if you could give me that at least, like beyond the specifics of like what they wanted to improve on, Like what were they looking for from you over the last you know, over the last three months, um as far as guidance and all the rest of it, because you know, most football players are are basically in structure their whole life, right, Like you know, it's like it's from one thing to the next, to the next to the next, and now all of a sudden, these guys, you know, every one of them, not just quarterbacks or sort of throw in this environment where it's like all right, now it's up to me, you know. Um So, like what were they what what's this? Like? What sorts of things were they looking for from you? Um as they kind of want about all right, like this is how I'm gonna attack this. Yeah, so what I think everybody just like she said, you said, everybody needs and wants that structure. So they want to know, Okay, what what do I want to work on from on the field aspect? Right? What are the things that I'm gonna do there? And what time should I do? And how many throws do I need to do. They don't want to have to think about all those little details. They just want to go out and do the work. So being able to give them all, right, this is what we should do on the field. Now in the classroom setting, we're watching film. Let's look at this this. Let's study these first four teams that we're gonna work up we gotta play this year. Let's look at their defensive coordinators. Let's look at the let's look through their tree, Let's look what they did previously, so we have a really good idea and understanding of exactly what that defensive coordinators is gonna try and do against us UM. And then we go from there to like, all right, how do I become a better mental processor? How do I start processing information better, creating plans? And then I got each of my quarterbacks with a chess pro seth mcowsky with poison POMD chess. So I got them all playing chess so that we can start coming up with procedures that we can go through not only in chess, but at the line of scrimmage. So the same way we go to a chessboard, I look left to right, identify my threats. Where are my under attack? How can I attack them? Those are same sort of steps that I need to take on I approach the line scrimmage. What's the front, which way the safety is rotated? Who can bring me pressure? How do I protect myself with that pressure? Okay, well how do I attack the defense? All right, let's ready to regular to work. So we had a three pronged approach, physical from the throwing um, taking care of our body side, mental in terms of, uh, the football side, understanding what defenses are gonna do to us um, and then understand better what our teams are doing on offense, like the way you got a whole new system, Deshaun's got a new offensive coordinating. It was tough to connect with their coaches for a bit of the time. Just do the NFL rules. And then lastly, how do I become a better process for information so that when I'm out there, I'm operating on all cylinders and I'm not wasting mental energy doing things that I shouldn't be doing. I'm really like, I'm fascinated by that part about the chess thing, Like y'all you hear the like that's not a new um, that's not that that that's not a new like uh comparison comparing football to chess, But you think that's real? Huh, Like you think that, Like where the idea for that come from? So I I got connected um with the guy said probably a year and a half ago, and I've I've talked to him and I started to use it in terms of how I operate a business, and then we started talking about how it works in terms of just creating operating procedures for everything in life. And that's all quarterback is. It's having a checklist of things that you need to do every time you come to the line of scrimmage, so you're not wasting mental energy trying to figure things out at the last minute. So you're not getting beat by blitzes because you just didn't check something that you should have checked, and you would have if you had the same process every time you came to line of scrimmage. And I'm like, this will be really really helpful if I get my guys doing this, and each one of them has really bought in and said it's something that they want to do. Um, So I think that it's going to pay real dividends. And these guys are going to reap the benefits. Um, this upcoming season. Have you played chess against them? I'm the best. Josh Dobbs is a rocket scientist all that, and he doesn't have a chance. And who's come closest to beating him? Josh? I mean he used to beat me. Then I started like training a train probably four days a week, and it's I'm flexing the muscle r now. So all four guys have started playing. Though all four guys are good, Okay, Um, you know what's interesting, Like I I, each guy is sort of in a different stage, So let's go through each of them. Um. You know, for the Sean like, he's obviously already reached a level where he's a playoff quarterback, so I would guess with him, it's probably more fine tuning. Um, when you guys went back and looked at him last year, what what what? What do you see? And the way he played quarterback last year, we saw him doing things physically that he's like one of a very few people in the world can do. Um, and we're just like, all right, we got beat a couple of times and things deep people did on defense, but we've seen them now now we're prepared, so just ramping up the mental side of the game. He doesn't have that, uh Hopkins, he doesn't have that blanket anymore. Like, all right, things breakdown, I can just throw it up the hop and make a play. Now he has to go there with a great plan of attack and really dissect people eventually. So he's getting the ball out of his hands, he's thrown on time, and he's really doing a great job working through progressions and tying his feet to his eyes in a position where, um, he could hit every single throw on time. And then if that breaks down, then be super main and put on your cape. And I think that really our goal is for him to be the best quarterback in the NFL. Like he he should be aiming at nothing shorter that, um. And he asked all the talent in the world, um, and a group group of guys around him. Now, so he's gonna be He's gonna be fine. So I guess in a way, it's sort of like he already knows how to be Michael Jordan's now, like you're teaching him how to play point guard too, right, Yeah, you gotta just do the little things over and over again, right, Um, be that Senny percent pleasing percentage guy and and do like, yeah, just do everything exactly the right way and then when that breaks down, then do your thing. Okay, how about Dwayne, Because Dwayne got a little experience last year. He's going through a coaching change, which is i mean, always tough on a young quarterback, and that he he went from one player quite caller to the next last year. Um, he's a one year starter in college. So when you when you got when you and Dwayne went back and looked at who he was as a rook key, Um, what did you see? Dwayne was really just getting his feet wet, and he didn't take a ton of snaps in college like you just mentioned. But we saw him learning and progressing really quickly at the end of season. I'm not sure people understand how much he improved from game one to the last game. And he showed like high level physical talent, Like he made some throws that you look back on and you're like, wow, Okay, he has it or he has something. I mean, he wasn't like reckless with the football. He didn't have a ton of turnovers and things like that. Now the thing for him is how do I go out there and just show those flashes more consistently and be and especially for him, him the mental process of the game, not just thinking about what the defense is doing, but now understand like owning my playbook, right, he has to own every nook and cranny, And he feels like he has a coaching staff who believes in him a lot more now, like he can go out there and be confident in the things that he's doing and that's gonna allow him to take his game to the next level, like Dwayne intends to football. A Q is probably one of the smartest guys that I've ever been around. Like he understands what people are trying to do to him on defense, all those things. Now he has to own the information that he gets, the play book that he had. When he owns that and he understands all the checks always to get in and out of stuff. Now they're bringing the safety down on the right side. Now I gotta cannon and bring it back other way. Like he's getting all those nuances. He gets to take the time now to really study and understand that. UM And I think that when you even when you look at him, I think he just understands, uh, the level of dedication it takes to the game. Not that he didn't work hard before, because he's always been a hard worker, but now he understands exactly what it takes to be that NFL quarterback, all the little details how to lead a group of men at the NFL level who are all professionals. He gets that now, Um, and the are the things that going to take him. So in a way, you're just saying, like the like the weight loss there, people made a big deal out of how he's changed his body. That's maybe like one piece of a bigger picture for microcosm of who he's trying to change himself into in terms of being the quarterback of a major franchise on the way that he shouldn't. Okay, it's interesting too because I know, you know Scott Turner, his new OC was on the staff at Michigan when he came in and won that game as a as a red shirt freshman. Who's up in the box for that. So, um, I do want to ask about jail and two because I think he's interesting and and what you guys, what you saw on him, because it seems as if, like playing under Lincoln Riley, he took major steps forward last year at Oklahoma. UM and going from Alabama and Oklahoma, like at least the evaluators that I've talked to say something changed. UM was with him? Like when you look back at him and what he was last year in Oklahoma, is it more about kind of continuing the positive momentum? How do you see that? I think that, Uh. I think that at Oklahoma he was given the ability to freestyle a little bit, be comfortable in his own skin, adapt to what they're doing on offense. Oklahoma is not super rigid in terms of UM the progressions and things like that, So that allowed him to just go out there and playball, be a great athlete, UM and show his ability to make throws right. So that was great for him. He's now going back to something that's more similar to Alabama in terms of the command and the way you have to go through things. In terms of work through cogressions. You're working the wise stick side boom and then taking my eyes back the other way to work the devils. Like he's doing all those things that require a level of being meticulousness in terms of your footwork, your eyes and all those things. Um, but Oklahoma was great. It gave him the opportunity. But now you take the next step, and I think, no, I know, I've never seen somebody improved as much as a passer as I saw Jalen do, not only through his career, but just in the time between January, right the end of his college football season and his pro day. The amount of growth that he took in those short three months was as big as I've ever seen anybody in that short period of time. Um. And I think that people saw it. The Eagles were a team that was at his pro day, and I think they came away truly impressed by how he looked throwing the football that day. UM. So he has the physical talent. Now it's gonna be can I go from that open, free flowing system at Oklahoma bring it back to this new offense. Gonna be playing behind Carson Wentz, who oftentimes gives it back of opportunity to start a few games during the season. Be ready when your time is called, so you can bring that value add from a second round pick that nobody else is going to get in the NFL. He's gonna be the one of the few second round picks this season who really has an opportunity to swing games for their team, like change the playoff outlook for the Philadelphia Eagles when he goes in there and he starts a few games this season, so it's imperative for him to be ready and show the value of who he is. And um, all the dynamicness that he has, the consistent improvement too is probably a good reflection of who he is, too, right because that's and I know he's a coach of soun like you said, so that's probably refly I'm assuming like just when everybody says about the kid, like it's really reflecting, Like, like his background, the fact that he's a coaching son is all reflective. And what you reflected in what you see the most disciplined, hard working young man you will ever be around, like just consistent in terms of that, like you you never have to worry about where he's gonna be or what he's gonna be doing. He's doing the right thing just and you can hang your hat then. Okay, So Josh Jobs is obviously a different one. And that's like sort of in this developmental stage, are you going back and looking at practice tape like how does that one work? No, I'll send me some clips be like, hey, check this out. What are you thinking here? And because I don't unlike everybody else I can access a lot of their film is I can't. So we'll just send me different clips like what do you think here? What is this? What was that? Um? But if we we just work more like in a holistic way that I've worked with somebody getting ready for the draft, Like let's just continue to improve so we can become the guy, um and then go from there. So Josh is always working, he's of course we know all the great things he does all the field and those things, but these are truly talented, talented quarterback and I think we unlike a lot of other guys, he hasn't really got a chance as a backup quarterback to get those snaps and what he does, we'll get to see it, okay. So I like it's always feels like you know, and I remember the lockout in eleven, like the way it was like we'd hear these stories and like Novem or December about how somebody did a little something extra when no one was watching. Um, is there something that one of your guys has done this offseason, whether it's gathering teammates, whether it's something he did individually, whatever it is. Is there something that you've seen one of your guys do this offseason that has really impressed you, and like wow, like that guy like like like he is doing what it takes dway and really has been somebody who's jumped out at me in terms of his all the discipline, terms of like the diet getting right. We see that, but you don't see how he's organizing his teammates together and Washington like he's getting those guys in the field, he's install on the new offense with those guys, Like he's doing all the little things that you need to do to take the leap um, and he doesn't. I mean, he shows a lot of cool stuff on his Instagram, but he's not showing that And I think that's intentional. He just wants to do the work behind the scenes, get those guys ready, um, so that he really can own it um and own the respect of his teammates. So the way consistently brings his teammates together, He's getting the young guys, he's getting the old guy, the whole receiving crew together. UM. I know he plans and started to get some defensive guys involved as well, and so he can do the whole step on seven and really put together a true O T A for for that team. And that's what I liked. And he did it by himself. It's not like he was like, what do I need to do. He's like, I got this and he's putting that together. He understands what it takes and he's ready. It's probably a great opportunity for a guy like him to condtake the bull by the horns, to write like a lot of times you lean on quarterbacks to do these sorts of things, and for a young guy to have the opportunity to to be able to like, okay, like this is up to me now and I'm gonna show these guys who I am. It's probably like just a great opportunity for him and any young quarterback to show who they are right now. Yeah, he gets to stretches his wings as a leader, he gets to work on that muscle. It's all things that he needed. Um, he only was the starter at the college program for a year, right, so he didn't even get to flex like being the leader of a college team for for long. And then he comes in that comes into the Redskins, and he's not the starter to start the season, so he's just in the quarterback room. He's kind of a hunt so he didn't get to work on that. And then he takes a team over midweight through the year and it's always like up in there and he's learning on the fly. Now he's a guy um, so he really gets to work on these things and it's a perfect opportunity for him to do it. Okay, So I want to pivot a little here, and and obviously, you know, with everything that's gone on in our country the last couple of weeks, I want to ask you about this and part of it because you know, I've heard, I've heard de Sean has has really kind of step forward and with with everything that's gone on in the aftermath of the killing of of George Floyd Um and we've seen the impact that has had on NFL players and the way guys have spoken out. And I know, obviously you've got close relationships with a lot of these guys, and I wanted to ask you if you have like an idea of what you think this is gonna look like in September or October, and if you've noticed something a little different about about the way that things have played out the last couple of weeks. I think that in terms of like making a stand and protesting, it's gonna be a larger group of people. I think that's obvious because I think that people are going to be more comfortable with it now. Um, not because it's the social injustice is something new, but it just happened to see somebody die with um, the need of the neck for eight minutes and forty six seconds, right, that's really gruesome for people to watch. Um, but it's something that's been happening for a long time. But honestly, like white people became more comfortable within after seeing this video, UM, And I guess that's what it takes for more people to feel okay. So we'll see more of that. But I hope that, I really hope that players make a stand and say we're not playing unless caps play. If Kaepernick isn't on the field, we're not gonna play. And that's that's the type of like stand you need. Because someone who's sacrificed so much for so many people, like he really he was ahead of this, and if we would have understood the things that he was saying back in we might have been able to make more, We might have been able to save George Floyd's life, and even if it's just one person's life, that would be helpful. Right, So if if we would have done that be helpful. So I think that guys need to come together and understand, Okay, somebody did so much of this for us and people look just like us, we need to do something for him. UM. So that I think that would be the strongest stand that they can make. UM to me, um to continue to do that and put money behind good causes that are gonna be helpful to uh, the black lives matter. In that moment, do you say, like, symbolically, what do you think it would mean to see Colin Kaepernick in an NFL uniform Week one? I think it would mean in the world to a lot of people like not only do we hear you, but we understand you and we feel you. And even though he was ahead of the curve and he made those uh such as strong stand at such an early point, Um, we we see it now like we understand it now. We'd love for you to join our community of thirty two owners who don't look anything like you guys, Um, but we get it. Um, we want you back, okay. Um. Do you think the players are starting to realize their power to you know that video they put together, you know, and de Sean was a part of that, Patrick my Homes, I'm huge names, Sae Kwon, Barkley, Ezekiel, Elliott, Odell Beckham. Um. I sort of took it like, and I'll just speak for myself. I sort of took it as players sort of starting to recognize that they did have the power to to to influence, you know, the owners in the league office. Did you see it that way? To the players maybe are are starting to realize that they do have some power. I saw it as a really strong video, but uh, I think that it was strong in in the way that it caused Roger goodelld at But I I don't think that they realize the true power that they do have. UM. I think they're starting to maybe understand it, like it's starting to kind of shift, but they don't. They don't understand it yet. If they did, they would be able to move things a lot quicker and a lot faster. But there also these guys are really young and they're really just starting to um come to their own most of the guys that none of the guys that be or even thirty yet, right, And you gotta think about how much you start understanding each year as you become like all, there's all these steps you take where you start to understand your influence even more. And I can't I literally can't wait till the days where Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson and Lamark there's like thirty two, thirty three, they're still running the league. You've got Kyler Murray and all these guys, right, and they really start to understand it. And there's a bunch of black quarterbacks out there who have this power and they can wield it how they want. I think then will be able to make more consistent change and stronger change because they'll at that point, I really think they'll start to understand. And I think and I think like having I don't know, I like, do you view it this way? To the fact that there were two to franchise quarterbacks in that video made a difference. The fact that like not just like like and and and guys like Odell and sa Kwan and Zeke like they all have power, but like like you need you know what I mean, Like if Mahomes and deshaunre in that video, it doesn't mean as much, just doesn't. Um. I'm thankful that they were. They stepped up, truly, they got the opportunity. It's not like it take any like pleading with those guys. They couldn't wait to do it. Um. So that I'm just I was thankful and happy to see those guys before. Okay, that's Quincy Avery. He's private quarterback coach for a bunch of NFL guys including DeShawn Watson, Dawn has Because I think people can find well, your Twitter handle it's at Quincy Avery right Twitter, Quincy Underscore Avery Okay, and then you can find him at QB takeover dot com also right like more and him there, Quincy. I really appreciate you coming out, Really enjoyed this. Appreciate you all right, thanks to Quincy Avery. He was great. Um. And we're gonna give you two guests this week because I think there's just a lot to get to in a lot of different perspectives that we can get on this stuff. And so I'm gonna bring in an old buddy of mine you might remember him from and I think sage it was during I want to say it was Super Bowl week because I remember recording with you. I think in an uber um that was the Uber Bowl, UM, which feels like it happened not six months ago, feels like it happened six years ago in Miami. Um. But stage came on and kind of broke down the Shanahan offense for us. We're gonna be talking about much different stuff today. But welcome in, uh former NFL quarterback stage, Rosenfeld stage. What's up? You mean all that's going on in the world of pandemic uh racial h reckoning? Right, I mean, I guess the whole thing going on. And we're not going to talk about how the zone scheme works and how that a block with the tight end and the tackle and how you can get that six technique and work your way to the line. We're not gonna talk about that. Yeah, we'll we'll leave that for a little later on. UM. Yeah, So I want to start here. You know, you're a guy who spent a decade in NFL locker rooms, and so you know the way that they work. You know the way that coaches operate, um. You know, and so you know, I think It's what's so interesting about this to me, stages like we're sort of in this period where there's just not a lot like going on football wise. These guys have their zoom meetings, they're working out on their own, but they're not under the same roof as um, you know, the guys that they're gonna be working for their coaches everything else in the fall. And so you know, I guess my as my jumping off point because I know you've you've been you've you've been out there talking about this stuff a little bit. UM. You know, how you think NFL coaches are going to handle this when we get into the fall, and what you think UM coaches are gonna do to address this? Um when when when players do report to training camp whenever that is and the July beginning of August whenever. I mean, I guess you're talking. We're talking about sort of the racial conversation where generally in America but also in sports. You know, football teams are different than being a professional tennis player, UM or baseball player. Really, I mean, baseball plays similar because guys are from all over the world, really, UM, but football guys are from I would every sort of aspect of this country. You don't see a lot of NBA players from tiny towns in Idaho. You see football players from these random tiny towns in Idaho or Iowa or whoever it might be. You also see them from the inner city. You also see a lot of kids from the suburbs. Really sort of every aspect of American life, you see football players from. You know, I had a left tackle from Salam. He was Muslim. Okay, there's a lot of guys who play with that were Nigerian, the im Bedeja brothers, Uh, Brendan I am Bedejo or and then you know Kenny Ata Tolo as a linebacker play with in Minnesota. UM. You know the Abdullah brothers also like very devout. You know, you know Muslims that I played with also UM. And it's I think it gives you a great perspective. I'm from a town of three people and I graduate from high school of a town of six thousand people. Okay, you show up at I was state for me and all these guys that played college football, and there's guys from Texas. There's guys from Liberty City, Miami, UH, in Florida, UH and again all of the guys from Chicago, other guys from small towns, other guys from uh sort of wealthy suburbs and say Kansas City or something like that, where they come from these big football powerhouses. So I think at that moment for me, you know, and you eat lunch with these guys at train table, and you know, it's amazing how much you learn and how different their experience was growing up. And then you get thrown to this football team and all that stuff doesn't really not that not that it doesn't matter, um, but it's the goal is, you know, to win football games, to build this football team, to work to get everyone on the same page, to improve physically, um. And the goal is right there, and that's where the head coach and the coaching staff how they lead everybody. But it didn't matter that from Salon was Muslim. It didn't matter that somebody was from a different place and I was showing maybe we have different views. All that matters was the sort of goal. And so I think it taught me with being around all those guys, just different aspects of American life and and and human life, and that you know, you look at people on TV and we sort of see them as as robots and doesn't really mean it's like they don't have feelings. We just care that they made the catcher, not or that they got called for holding. That's all we care about, but that there is this human element behind them. And then it as a football team, they're from all over and I think it really gives you a different perspective than almost any other sport. You know, Tennis is like so individual, baseball has probably some of ms basketball more city kids than small town kids. Um, but I think football is especially that way. So when during this time and coaches dealing with I think what we're seeing a lot of is that what people say is I want to do more listening. You know, guys like me should be doing more listening and trying to understand rather than trying to tell somebody else how they're supposed to feel. Right. Um. And as a white quarterback, and I think it's been I think it's been really good what I've seen so far amongst the sort of white quarterbacks. This is a leadership position on the team. Um, it's been historically mostly white players over the years, and there's a racial element to that. You know, for decades, a lot of coaches and people just thought, well, the black athlete just can't play quarterback and they're just not smart enough. And I promise you there's still some coaches who might think that today, um, and it's not true. Obviously. Know, some of the best quarterbacks we have right now are African American or are black. You know, Pat Mahomes and Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, you know, the the m v p UM They can play that position position and played a really high level. So but I do think as a for me a former white court quarterback, but as a as a white guy, uh to try to take that stuff and learn and listen from the guys that have those complaints and have those concerns and those issues are real. You know, we we see that this is not sort of made up. I don't see that. I see this is an issue that I've been hearing since again when I got to college. Now, they would tell me the stories and I'd be like, really, that happened to you in high school? Like that happened to your neighbor or you know that It sort of blew my mind. You know, those things just don't happen in a small town, and I think since people don't see them happen, people don't believe that they're actually occurring, you know, so that problem like you know, like I just it's definitely like it's learning what other people are going through. So like how does how do you think that they balance that? Then? Like when this is probably in the front of lighting right now, is in the it's it's in the front of a lot of people's minds. Um, it doesn't seem like this is going to go away. So we get to July and it's still on people's minds, and August and it's still on people's minds, And like, how do you think you know, coaches are gonna weave this into season and everybody and like you said, everybody having a job to do, Like how like how do you think the coaches are going to and the teams in general are gonna make sure this is properly addressed while also you know, doing what everybody is there to do. Well, you know, I think the easiest place or team or coach to look at is what happened in New Orleans, all right, the unquestioned leader of that team as far as players, Drew brees Sean Payton the leader really bad franchise and what they went through uh in those couple of days I think was sort of a blueprint probably for how other teams should deal with it. UM. I think Sean is a great leader of men, and he was very much on board of getting everybody together, getting on the same page. I mean, that's a head coach's job is getting everybody on the same page, having everybody understand what they're trying to do. But now we're sort of a different role of trying to understand what somebody else has gone through and how they can be supportive of their teammates. And I've always thought and I think this will will happen in New Orleans because of that leadership, not only because of Peyton, but also I think because they're true. I think Drew Will has learned a lot already. But that the better you can understand your teammates better that sort of human connection will be and the better that you'll play together. Uh, and that that you know, it's it's like in high school, you're like best friends with these guys, and so it's like the passion that it's it really does mean something different in the NFL. You got money on the line, you got contracts on the line. Everyone's it's a team, but everyone's sort of fighting for their own thing. Um. But I think in this scenario, the right type of leadership by a head coach, uh, it can get everybody on the same page and get some some deeper level of understanding and appreciation for your teammates. And the teams that do that the right way, I think, well, just grow in general. And I think actually that growth will be being a better team, winning more football games, and then you know, having just a healthier locker room where people are more understanding of each other and their struggles. Uh. And that goes from all sort of all sides, everyone trying to understand somebody else. And I always say, and you know, in in America really probably in every country, we all live in our bubbles. You live in Boston in the bubble there, I live in you know, the Midwest and Omaha, Nebraska. Um, like from a small town that to its own bubble, people grew up and say that's sort that's their own bubble. And it's really hard to try to empathy eyes with people who are in this other bubble. It's hardly from the seed to understand what's it like to live in a town of three people. It must be and you really can't. But the only way is by trying, and is by listening and trying to learn. And then that you know that word that's been thrown around a lot, empathy, you know, really ability to try to get in someone else's shoes and really understand where that pain, uh and those issues are coming from. And um, I think what Sean Payton did was, um, you know a lot of listening, a lot of sort of open form, let guys get out sort of their complaints to their concerns and what they've had to deal with, and you know, hopefully that brings everybody together and then as a group you can I think, I think create more change, more positive change than everyone just doing things individually. Can you think of like a good example of and obviously like would be maybe hard to find something as serious as this, but maybe like an example somewhere in your career of like the locker room having to confront some thing real life, like where the locker room had to sort something out that was maybe a non football type of thing. Mm hmm, not like this, you know, not like this, I mean dealt with Hurricanes playing in Miami for four years, in Houston for three years, and those are odd scenarios, right, But no, nothing as sort of intense as this, nothing that's really completely separate from football, really has nothing to do with football, but um yeah, there's nothing really compares to this. And by the way, I do think with this pandemic going on, that that is one of the reasons, um oh than the fact, of course the eight minutes and forty six seconds of the murder of George Floyd and how awful it was, but the fact that we're in this pandemic and it allows people to slow down, to not have the NBA five what's going on, not have baseball games to go to, do not have soccer games to go to? All that has sort of um, there's those distractions aren't there anymore, And we actually can sit here for the first time in my lifetime and maybe our country's lifetime, uh, and actually focus on this issue that's full and fifty years old and we really have never dealt with. Do you think it's good? Do you think it could be good for a lot of guys? I mean, like I do feel like for a lot of people that's sort of forced all of us to maybe confront some things, you know, like that we hadn't previously confronted. Like do you think this might be good for some teams that like guys are having real conversations and I mean like and maybe you don't even something you can compare this to exactly, you know, like you said, like it's tough to find something that compared to this, but maybe there is like a benefit football wise that you get from going through something real life with like this. Yeah, you know, trying to Again, you brought the questions, was there anything in my career that that was at a different level or outside of football? Um, you know, maybe you know, like like when Brett Favre's dad passed away and you had that you know that that infamous Raiders game on Monday night or whatever, like those are the types of things that bring players together, because it just, uh, it just said a whole different, you know, type of thing that's well beyond the sport, but that does bring you know, players together, does bring people together. And again, as I said, are you know, deeper understanding, deeper respect for other people? I think it's probably open to a lot of guys eyes that weren't from you know, maybe those neighborhoods that have dealt with these issues forever, and they just go, well, you know, that's that's their problem, or they shouldn't be doing an illegal things, or they must have done something, all those excuses. Now, to see your teammates, who you line up with, when you work out with, who you go to sort of go to battle with per se um, really express how deep, really concerning and challenging it has been for their entire lives dealing with this issue. You have to, you know, sort of have you know, a rock heart for you to not feel some of that and appreciating some of that and try to understand some of that. And I do think it's uh again, it's a wake up call for a lot of the country, but a lot of these guys she grew up in a different bubble who just never really realized all this stuff was going on. Mm hm. So I do want to get to like the other really different thing about this offseason, which is obvious you mentioned at the pandemic um and one of the reasons I wanted I preached out to the first places. I was looking at your bio and like crap, he was in the Giants in eleven, so um, you know, I know you didn't make it through to the Super Bowl, but you were with them during the offseason, um, and so like I was just sort of wondering, like when you watch different players handle all of this and how they're handling all of this, there are some similar Now. I know it's not perfect because it's not a perfect comparison because you know, back then, you couldn't talk to coaches, um, but you had access to any field or any gym you wanted. Now you don't have access to a lot of those fields and gyms are you haven't for part of this at least, but you do have access to the coaches. So, like, I just I want to ask you, like how you think this is going to affect the season. And maybe there are some things that you saw with the Giants during that eleven off season that's set the stage for what was gonna happen in February of two thousand and twelve. Yea, So think of veteran teams having an advantage, that's the best way to look at it. Um. You know, I hope Kevin Stevanski does well in Cleveland. They're a big disadvantage. New coach, young coach, new offense, completely new offense. They're gonna be a different And even Tom going down to Tampa, UH, it's it's a different deal, not having that offseason stuff for him. But the teams that have the quarterback with the same offense, the same team, the same head coach, the you know, the Saints is the first one for me to comes to mind. Those guys been together forever. When I was with the Giants two thousand and ten, I got traded their uh first week of the season. I was basically there for three and sixty five days. That's a chapter in my book, Three and sixty five Days and Football Giants. But going into that off season, you know, Eli had been the quarterback there for eight nine years already. H he had won a Super Bowl, And we didn't have any sort of off season. But what we did is about two or two or three times a lot of players flew into New York and of course, again different situation, no pandemic, right, and we had our own sort of light practices. They were not really full on, you know, full speed stuff, but they were walked throughs. They were just there. They were talking to the young guys, the drafted guys, you know, me formations and audibles and sort of trying to teach them the system is almost like a jog through walk through type of That was the one in Hoboken, right, Yeah, we while we were in Hoboken some um you know, uh, you know, Mike Gara Folo was was there trying to look through the fences and figure it all out. We went to a couple of different Hoboken was one of the high schools who went to We went to a private high school somewhere and use their field, which I imagine guys can still do. I think there are spots where people are getting together and throwing where we're seeing some of that stuff. But um, that was our way of having this again, very veteran team. The offensive line, like those guys have been together for like seven years, the Chris Knees and Shadow Harris and rich Soy Burton and Karee Mackenzie that you know feel the super veteran. So they had a big advantage with that. But for the most part that offseason, everyone worked out on their own. Everyone was sort of doing their own thing. Um, but I think it did give that football team a big advantage being that it was a very veteran football team. So that and that's is that's just a matter of you get a training camp, you hit the ground running, you know what I mean? Is that all that is? Like that all right? Like if you aren't a veteran team, you may have to go over things a bunch when you get training camp. And that's really like feeling the effect of the spring versus you know, a veteran team that's been working, that knew how to work, maybe did a lot of the work, and now it's a little closer to being what a normal training camp would be. Remember when when the Saints early in this whole thing, Sean Payton was like, I'll see a training camp, yeah completely, you know right, So most teams can't do that. Only a teams can actually do that. Uh, you know NFL offenses and defenses are complicated, They are complex. You know, the O T A s have already been trimmed back from the early two thousands. When I first got in the league. Man, those off seasons were no joke. You know. They were starting early mid March, I feel like, and now they're like into like late April sort of when they would normally go back, but we had tons of quarterback meetings, quarterback stuff that we were constantly doing. It was very tense. And then, uh, you know, as the years have gone by, that's gotten less and less and less. And now there's obviously really no physical offseason as far as practice and those types of things, but they already getting those meetings. That is big to get those meetings, but not everyone learns well. I'm sure you've talked to players. Some guys do well watching film. They can go out there and then do with it, but there's nothing like actually being together, going through all those checks, throwing balls to guys going full speed, throwing balls in the tight windows and during those summer practices. Not having that will be again a more of a challenge for those young football teams, for those young quarterbacks, for those new coaching stabs, which means those I think those veteran teams will have a big advantage going to the season. Is there anything Coughland did that summer that you think was valuable? Was there anything like like you like he could I think you know, at the time, head coaches were part of management. What I'm saying, like like like after you reported though after Yeah, like it was there anything anything quirky or different about that training camp that you thought that was pretty smart? M hmm. That's a good question, cause again, like, well, for when we didn't travel, they they had always gone to Aubany and we didn't do that. And right there at you know, MetLife Stadium, So I think that was something that we did different. And it was oddly enough, to be honest with you, you know, I'd gotten there and I thought Coffin was supposed to be this like we beat each other up and practice coach, and he was not that. I don't know if it was because now he was like in the sixties and they had already won a Super Bowl. But the practice were not They were not that physical. Guys were not beating each other up. Um, it was sort of you know, just get your fits right and then game time sort of go. But I think it's go ball out. But I think it's because he knew what all those guys could do, you know, Brandon Jacobs, I didn't really he didn't really care if he was absolutely you know, full rattle on a random June third practice because he knew Brandon Jacob in November and December that's what all he really cared about. So I do think Tom Coffin over over time, and in that year it was more mental and less you know, physical type of stuff because he had that veteran team. Okay, last thing for me. Then when they won the Super Bowl, Like again, I don't want to open an old wound, but I know you weren't there when they actually wont to. Did you get a ring? By the way, No, maybe I should talk to John Mayre about that. So long story short, We're in training camp and we're going to play our first preseason game down in Carolina. And on the flight down there, I developed a sore throat in this fever. I feel like crap. I feel like crap all night. I'm shivering, you know, I'm sweating, just you know this whatever it was, And and I end up playing in this game. Um, I think I actually played, Okay, like third team of eighteen or something like that. I can't really remember, but um, the flight home on miserable. Next thing you know, I'm in the in the in the hospital. I got back spasm as my body has sort of falling apart. My immune system shot. Uh, and I'm in the hospital for a couple weeks, end up going on injured reserve. They put me on injured reserve. UM. And uh, after about a month or five weeks, when I was healthy and feeling good and I was starting to work out and things, they took me off into reserve and end up gaining signed by the Miami Dolphins. And that was it. You know, you can't get signed back. That's the role. You know, once you you can't sign back with the team. And so of course they had up wigned the Super Bowl that season. So I was there during during training camp and and I was there during that first five weeks of the season. You know, I was working out and I wasn't going to meetings and stuff, but I was around that football team and I knew that that team, UM, it felt like to me was gonna go one way or the other. Coffin was sort of on the hot seat. We've gone tenants six the year before. He kept his job, UM, but there was concerned that he might get fired. And then you know, and shraw Role remember during training camp said something that called somebody out, and you know, Coffin didn't like that and became this a little turmoil on the team that seemed like it was sort of exactly what the team needed, and the team bonded, serve around that and answer us against the world mentality, and then you know it's getting sure enough, Eli got hot, They made the playoffs, They had a heck of a defense, heck of a running game, and Eli was clutching of course, be Tom Braden the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Yes, it's like that tension, like a good tension until it boils over, and if you can keep it from boiling over, then all right, that's really that's that's leadership, right. You know, football teams are you know, fifty three guys and and fifteen to twenty coaches, and it's millionaires and there's billionaires. It's my mom said, it's the greatest soap opera there is. You know, back in the day I grew up watching The Guiding Light and all these shows, you and the Laundry. The NFL is the best soap proper there is. But the right type of leadership, the quarterback, the head coach, ownership, those types of players. When one of those fifty three or three of those fifty or whatever, it might be sure of step outside the lines or do something that may make waves or become a distraction. The right type of leadership understands how to um bring a team together with those types of things and not split a team up. And Uh and Eli and Coffin were very very good at that, and that may be even more important in like this one, no question about it. He's veteran quarterbacks, veteran coaches, teams that have been together for a long time. I think we'll have advantage in so that would be so so we're clear here, that would be like the Saints. I'm gonna try to like think through the league now and like this because all these like a lot of these old quarterbacks switched teams. Is here, like Rivers Cousins been there for three years now, I mean, like Steelers Roethlisberger coming back with Tom when they played pretty well even without him last year, So they'd be another one. The Texans O'Brien and Watson have been together for a while, so I've always got a new new head coach. So that's gonna be a new scenari obviously, Tom down and Tampa. Yeah, I'm again, you know, trying to be the good teams. The Packers have them, you know. Obviously the batter in and now the team that they've been there for a couple of years, the Seahawks. The Seahawks one of the best general of all of them. Saints are probably up there, all right, he's said Rosen Fells. I'm not gonna miss a team here X, I get Wikipedia page up X Redskins, Dolphins, Texans, Vikings, Giants, and oh, I'm gonna say Dolphins again. You did two tours with two different teams. Huh traded hold on traded three times and two tour duties with two different teams. I played with the Dolphins twice and the Vikings twice, and so I don't know, like like that's probably like I'm not gonna say I'm president because these things aren't unprecedented, but that's probably that's that's that's pretty good. Stage, Sage, thanks for coming out. I always appreciate it. Thanks for having me, all right, thanks to Stage. That was fantastic again. Quincy was great too. We're gonna jump right into the six pack. You guys know this. We're since COVID's nineteen hit, we have been doing the six pack, which is how we started answering questions on this podcast. Before we moved over to the voicemail and email format. I put out the call for questions every Tuesday. You guys flood me with questions. I pick six that I like here. I also do a mail back, so some of them go over there, but I pick six that I like here. If I pick yours, you get a like on Twitter. That means I hit that little heart button there and you get an answer here on the podcast. Question number one from call me Mr Snyder. That's at Mr Snyder nine nine. Why did it take it? Why did it take so long to fire Bruce Allen one forty two, one ninety three and one hashtag sell the team Dan. I don't want to kick Bruce Allen when he's down, but I think that this part of it was pretty simple. He was brought in as sort of facilitator to the head coach that was Mike Shanahan at the time, who was really the de facto general manager. So Mike Shanahan was the one doing the team building. Bruce Allen was assisting in that, doing contract acts, all of that stuff. So he winds up surviving the shan and firing. They wind up hiring Jake Gruden. They didn't have a great first year, they wind up hiring Scott McClellan to do football. Scott McClellan the last a couple of years, does a pretty good job putting the team together. Then things go haywire there. Then Bruce Allen winds up firing Scott mcclelluan. Now he's got more power than he ever did before. So one thing led to another led to another. All the while, Dan Snyder saw Bruce Allen as a key figure in trying to pursue a new stadium, whether it was in DC, Virginia or Maryland. And so, from what I understand, Snyder's desire to get a new stadium was a big part of why Bruce Allen kept surviving. And you know, there's obviously a relationship there. Bruce Allen's family has great history with the organization. But that was a huge reason why. Um Question number two, this is from Matt Ramos. That's at Matt Underscore Ramos. After the Broncos recently announced the sports betting partner. What we see multiple teams following suit this season? Does that partnership change the in stadium experience for fans? Matt, I don't know if it will change the in stadium experience for fans right away, but I think it eventually will. And I think, like what most people think of when they think of gambling, that may not be what you see um in stadiums five years from now. In other words, if you think that it's just gonna be a betting window and you're gonna be able to, you know, gamble on odds or whatever, I think most NFL people see that as a pretty low margin business. What I think you could see though, is in stadium is in game prop betting and so almost turning the game into another game, where in stadium you're able to place bets on things that are going on in the game, Like say you get three to one odds that the Jets are going to drive the field and score a touchdown. You bet on that in the game, in your internepp, in your phone in the stadium. So I think that you're gonna see little things like that where sports gambling is utilized to make the experience more interactive with fans. The other stuff could come to And I really think that, I really think what we're all preparing for here all right, Like and and the Broncos are getting ahead of this everybody's gonna wind up having a sports betting partner sooner or later. So the answer to your question on that end is yes. I think what's what everybody's preparing for is the eventuality. That's the Raiders in Vegas. We'll find out and probably know already that their number one competition is the sports books and the casinos, and so eventually I have to think that there's a possibility to the Raiders say, to be the to give fans the best experience we possibly can, we have to put a sports book in the stadium. They put a sports book in the stadium, than other teams that are in states that have legalized gambling are going to say, well, why can't we do that? And that's when I think the floodgates could open. Um. So I think eventually that now I don't know if that's five years or twenty years for now, and it could be either, but I think eventually we do get there, and um, it's gonna be fascinating to watch all of this playoff. But I think the first step is probably that in game prop betting. I don't know how far off we are from that, but I bet we were closer to that than we are to seeing like an actual sports book in the stadium. Question number three. This is a lot of Broncos questions for one reason or another this week. This is from Con That's at Sea Underscore Mahoney twenty three Broncos season record and or playoff predictions. There are a lot of things I like about the Broncos. I like how they've put talent around um, around Drew lock going and drafting Jerry Judy, getting kJ Hamler in the second round out of Penn State, pairing them with Courtland Sutton Um. You got Alberto now coming in a tight end to supplement what you have with noahse Philip Lindsay. In the backfield, you added Melvin Gordon, so you've put talent around him the defense. I have trust that they're gonna be able to make it work defensively. Justin Simmons is on the franchise tag. He's coming back. You're bringing a j boy a um from Jacksonville. He replaces what they've have gotten for a lot of years from Chris Harris. He's more of a pure outside corner, so that's something that was in need. Of course, you still have Von Miller there, who's going into a contract year and it should be very very motivated. Um, and they've got you know, and you've got big FANGI out the control. So I think they'd be good on defense. I think they've got They've done a lot to help Drew Lock from a skilled position standpoint. My question here is the offensive line. Garrett Bowls was someone that was on the block for part of this offseason. Um, the Broncos that considered drafting in the left tackle to replace him. I don't think Garrett Bowls is going to be the left tackle going into and there's no open competition for his spot. Now. Yes, I know that they've added Graham Glass out of that that that group, but I just I still have questions about the offensive line and where the offensive line is going to be when we got to October in November, when every teams dealing with injuries here and there. And so I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna say like eight and eight for the Broncos with the offensive line being the problem. Uh. Question number four, this is from Moose Block. That's a Moose underscore blocks two of the week one starter from Miami this year. Moose, I'm gonna say no, but I definitely think it's possible. And I know that sounds like a cop out, but you know it's it's hard because he's coming off the hip injury. There's a lot of you know, the question is that how quickly he is able to kind of get up to speed from an NFL standpoint of course, without having the spring like Rook He's normally would. Um, but he's always been prepared, Like you look at him. He played right away at Alabama when they had a returning starter coming back, they put him in and I think he was still eighteen years old, eighteen or nineteen years old into the National Championship game at halftime, which is insane. He goes and wins that game. Um, this is a guy who was ready to play when he in high school to college, very instinctive player. I think he he's gonna be ready to play going college to the pros. Um So, I think the question is gonna be what sort of opportunity he gets in camp and um, I think Brian Floor is gonna make the decision, like this's gonna sound very patriot ish, make the best decision for his team. I think Flora's badly wants to win after everything that they've been through in his first seventeen months there, um and stripping the roster down and everything else. I think he's thirsty to compete. UM. So I think if if Ryan Fitzpatrick's the player they honestly feel like gives them the best chance to week win in week one, I think that they play him. I think it's gonna be a fair competition. UM. But I would rule out to a coming in there like a house of fire and taking the job either. Question number five is from Big Wally, UM that's at Boston West eight one one One Is Cam Newton going to play football again? And where I think you will play football again? My understanding of the situation is that, um, he is more than happy to wait. UM that I know he's told people that he doesn't want to go into a play is like a backup slash mentor which takes some opportunities off the table. And part of the problem is that there are so many teams that have settled their quarterback positions um and settled their quarterback positions ahead of time, which again is why Joe Flacco had to go somewhere where he's firmly the backup behind Sam Donald. Why Jameis Winston had to go somewhere where he's firmly the backup behind Um, behind Drew Brees, and even like Marcus Mariota, who you know early on UM, you know, like like who signed a lot earlier than the other guys, But he went to he went somewhere where if Derek Carr plays well, he's not going to see the field either. And so I think for camp, it's sort of about waiting for the right opportunity. And maybe that comes in training camp when either someone's hurt or someone assesses their quarterback situation and says, this isn't quite what we thought it would be, all right. Question number six, last question of the week. This is from h n L y Clothing that's at h n L y L A Best Free Agent edition. No one's talking about this is the topicause free agencies covered so well. But I wanted to at least give you, guys, give you some sort of answer to this. So what I wanted to do is tell you the team. I really like this sort of flew under the radar, a team that was aggressive, but maybe people didn't notice quite as much. Take a look at what the Cincinnati Bengals did um. I thought that their signings were got like a lot of guys who have played a lot, who played pivotal roles in their teams and should come in and be difference makers right away. And the three guys there, to me that stuck like the three guys that are the headliners there, Von Bell coming over from the Saints to play safety, DJ Reader coming over from the Texas to play d tackle, and Trey Wayne's coming over from the Vikings to play corner. Those three guys Bell, Reader, Wayne's, I think you add them to a defense that really struggled last year but still has some guys they I mean, Geno Atkins is still there, William Jackson is still there, Carlos Dunlap is still there, uh you know, and and a defense that had I think, you know, like you see some mid round picks that could pan out. Logan Wilson from from from Wyoming is one, and I just I think that they like to me, it sort of reminds me in a reverse way of what Buffalo did on offense last year, where Buffalo added a couple of guys that wound up being impact guys that were sort of like these steady veteran guys who played a lot, John Brown and Cole Beasley and Frank Gore. So keep an eye on what the Bengals did, because I do think that those signings like sort of like again like fly a little bit under the radar, but they were needed and they add to a defense that I think had some massive holes but still has some horses on it. All right, I appreciate you guys coming out as always, we love your feedback, We want your feedback. UM. You can get to me on all my social channels on Twitter at Albert Brier, on Facebook at Albert are Brier, on Instagram at Albert Underscore Brier. I would love to know what you guys thought about having to guests this week. I think we'll have gresh back next week. UM, and always always, always listen to all of our podcasts. We've got Gary's podcast on Monday mornings. You've got Jenny and Connor on the Week's Side podcast on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and then of course my podcast on Wednesday's plus the Weekend Review podcast on Fridays. You guys know where to find us. 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