Fournette Waived, Mike Tannenbaum, & The Mailbag | Wednesday Mailbag

Published Sep 2, 2020, 8:00 AM

Albert Breaks down what led to the Jaguars releasing running back Leonard Fournette after a rocky tenure with the team before talking to former Jets General Manager Mike Tannenbaum about what we should expect before teams have to make their final roster cuts this Sunday, and of course, the mailbag

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Hey guys, it's Albert. We got a great show for you coming this week. We got gresh in for the takeaway. If we've got a special guest that's gonna help preview this coming weekend, and the way this weekend is gonna work in the NFL with cutdowns, with trades, and then as always, we wrap things up with a six pack of your questions. Let's go all right, Welcome in it. The mm QB Podcast with Albert Brier. We are eight days away from the NFL season opener. Houston, Texas will travel to Kansas City to play the Chiefs at Arrowhead. It's hard to believe we're here. I think there are points in June and July when the virus was spiking in certain parts of the country and the NFL and NFL p A we're fighting through how to make the protocols work that people didn't think that this was gonna happen. But it looks like we're gonna get football. Everything's gone, I think way better than most people expected through training camp when it comes to the virus. And now we are on the doorstep of the NFL season. I can't wait to start talking about it. We got a great guest coming for you, um, which you know. I'm bringing them in because specific to this week, I think it will be a fascinating guy to talk to. We've got your questions in the mail bag. We're gonna start as we always do with the takeaways, and that means I'm bringing in my good friend Andrew Gresh the Third. I did not know you were the third, actually, Gresh, I don't. I'm looking at the Zoom screen now and I don't know why I haven't noticed that before, but it's Andrew Gresh the Third. Yeah. I had to use the formalities there for whatever reason when I signed up, but apparently there you can change it. But listen, we're zooming. That's about enough technology for us. Well, I'm actually Emily Brier. That's my wife on on the Zoom. So that's how I come up. All right. My first takeaway for this week, Gresh, I think one of the bigger news stories in the last few days, not that it was unexpected. I mean, this guy has been available for about a year um on the trade market, but the Jaguars officially cut the cord with Leonard four Nett. And how about I tell you a story here? Gresh how about I tell you. How about how about I give you a little information on how all of this happened. Okay, So if you want to go back to the end of the two thousand and sixteen season in Jacksonville, the Jaguars make the decision that they're gonna fire Gus Bradley. That happened, I believe with maybe two or three weeks left in the season. They launched their coaching search. They bring in a lot of big names. They didn't know that Tom Coughlin was going to come in as the e v P yet, and a lot of the guys who came through the Kyle Shanahan, Josh McDaniels had told them, you have to move on from Blake Bortles, you know, because that's what coaches doing these interviews. What would you do well, I would move on from Blake Bortles. They kept hearing it over and over again from different people. One of the reasons why Doug Marron was able to hang onto that job after being the interim coach at the end of that year was because he was pragmatic. He went in there and said, you know what, if we have to, I think we can make it work with Blake, But end of the end of the day, they wind up hiring Doug Moron, pairing him with Tom Coughlin and Dave Coldwall the general manager, and they're going forward with Blake Bortles. Okay, So then they turn around and think about this crash. They turn around and they start planning for the twenties seventeen season. Well, then after doubling down on that quarterback that they took third overall in two thousand and fourteen, what do they do. They lay out a plan where they say, we're gonna take the ball out of his hands. Now, we're gonna go ball control. We're gonna look and we're going to make sure that we minimize the impact that the quarterback has in the game. So through that plan, and they're not really looking or taking seriously the idea of taking a quarterback in the top ten and two thousand and seventeen and be they're looking for a specific player to match up what they need right at that moment. Right, So what they needed right at that moment, Leonard four net matched up with that who they pass on, Christian McCaffrey, right, Okay, So they looked at the immediate need, how do we minimize the quarterback, all right, But since you doubled down in the quarterback in the first place, what does that also mean? That means you didn't consider Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. I don't want to kill him for that, because a lot of teams passed on those two guys, right, and there are a lot of good franchises the passing those two guys. But you start to see then kind of the domino effect of the decision making here where it worked for a year, like that's the thing. It worked for a year for a year. Leonard Fournette helped them be what they needed to be and they got all the way to the f C Championship Game. And maybe we're looking at this differently. If they were able to hold onto that lead in Foxboro on that Sunday afternoon in January, that's thirty one month, that's just thirty one months ago. Basically that team has now has since been gutted. I mean, you look on the defensive side of the ball. Jalen Ramsey, A J. Boy, Kelvin Smith, Paulpa's Lasni, Malik Jackson, Kalais Campbell, Dante Fowler, all of these guys, now, Joannick and go way. All of these guys are gone. You don't have your quarterback position here, You don't have your quarterback question answered. You know, doubling down on doubling down on Blake Bortles caused you to turn around and overspend on Nick Foles. And the window that you had is now closed. Your on all of that, what all of what I just gave you, And they're they're they're the classic example of having a plan and then not being patient enough to be able to carry it out. And I know that it came at a time when Tom Coughlin ended up leaving the organization, but they were pretty damn good in and it looked like they were going to be on their way. And as soon as they started to slide backwards a little bit, it's, well, let's bail from the plan. Let's go in a different direction. And they also came to realize that, as uh, the great thespian of cartoon Bugs Bunny once said, you know, oh, I saw me a Maraji, they also saw themselves a couple of Maraji's into thinking that the quarterback spot was set and that they could also go without thinking about how the Blend's gotta work in the locker room. I mean, Bert, It's one of two things. They either a drafted some guys who ultimately turned selfish and wanted to go get their's and they didn't care where they went and got it like Jalen Ramsey, or it's not a great organization to be part of and the guys don't have faith in the team and they want to get the hell out of there. Like why do so many guys seem to want to leave that organization? And I can't figure out whether they don't think they're gonna get paid or they think they can go get paid somewhere else where they have a better opportunity to win. Something doesn't add up there. And I got a lot of respect for the cons. You know, I'm a big fan of Tony con because I think he's a different kind of thinker. But whatever they've been thinking about the past eight drafts hadn't done, hadn't worked. Where the hill of beans for him? I think? You know, but I think what you're talking about right, like I think we're there's different guys in different timelines there. I think that's part of the problem. As you brought in so you have Dave Caldbell, who has been the general manager there for eight years. You brought in Doug Morone, who didn't have a lot of background with Caldwell and comes from a different background than Caldwell does. And then over the top you had Tom Coughlin, who was sort of setting the tone for the entire organization, but was a very short term thinker in part because of his age. Right, So then you do everything you can to try to make it work in the short term, because you knowice sell the program that you're giving the players, because it's a tough program. You know you're gonna have to get results right away. And so they got the results right away. But then when you're not succeeding the way that they succeeded that first year, what happens now when setting the players start to look around like why are we doing up downs? Why are we why are we practicing in the middle of the day in August, Like why are we doing all of this? Uh? And eventually I think that that's sort of what happened is eventually, you know those questions when you win, and we've seen this in New England, when you win, it's you can run the program that way, because you've got the ultimate leverage. You can say, look at the trophy case. If you aren't winning, you know what, a lot of guys are gonna look at there and say, like, I haven't done up down since high school? Am I doing them now? You know? So I just think that that's sort of the push and pull there. Like my my, my main takeaway is how patchwork the organization has been, and how you got one guy, you know, making calls over here, who's got this agenda? This guy over here who's making calls, who's been who's had this agenda? Um, you know, I think the other big thing here to crushes. I mean, you can seriously compound a mistake by sticking with that mistake. And they made a mistake on Blake Bortles. That much has been destermined in two thousand and fourteen, and they needed to know that. They should have, after having him in the building for three years, had a good idea, uh that we did not get this one right and we need to do something about it. They should have known that in instead, they decided to stay the course with Bortles, which I mean, like, look, if you have Watson or Mahomes now. And again I don't want to kill him for that, because other teams did, other teams passing them too. Maybe you're not as successful right away, but you're setting yourself up to have longer term success. And so you miss out on those guys because you're so focused on the here and now, and be focusing on the here and now forced you to maybe not force you, but can influenced you to hold on to something you shouldn't have held onto, and then doing that created multiple mistakes. One taking four net over McCaffrey and two passing on Watson and the Homes. Here's the other thing about Jacksonville. That's an interesting study. You know, there's so many old school Parsonnel guys who you and I would would guarantee would say, whoa You know, if you don't know quarterback, better take one high, better take one high, Better take one high. You still need to take the right one high in the draft, and Blake Bortles is a great example of that. And then there is the whole you can't take a running back high. Well, some might look at Lynn four Nette and say there's the shining example of why you can't. Then again, the guy drafted just behind him is the shining example of the kind of overall superstar you can get if you do take a running back in the top ten. Look at Barkley, look at McCaffrey. Those are two big time weapons on their team. I'm not saying you can't find them elsewhere, but if you are going to draft those dudes up high, you need to know, in my opinion, that you're gonna get five years out of them and then maybe have one year on a franchise tag and there's your half decade with a running back and you run them into the ground and then you move on. And I think four Nets got tread on the tires. Look, I don't know about you, and I know you didn't ask me this, but you know, I wonder if Baltimore would be interested because having Leondard for Net in that power running offense just seems to be too seamless of fit. I like the rival. How about Pittsburgh like parm what James Conner, I mean, I like like and you know, like, I guess I'm probably eating myself here, But don't you sort of get shades of like Jerown Bettest? Do you remember like Jerome Bettest? When at the end with the Rams he was like out of shape. People thought like he's overrated, he had gotten off to a quick start in his career. Um. But like there was just this feeling that like like that was a wasted pick. The Rams taking him as high as they took him, that was a wasted pick. And he got a change of scenery, and you know what, like look what happened, you know, and like going to a good organization like that and look what happened. So I mean, I think the Steelers could be somebody who could look at him and say, James Connors in a contract year and he's had some injury issues. Maybe we give ourselves another layer of depth there. And by the time everybody listens to this podcast, we're gonna know whether or not he's been picked up on waivers um. So you have that, and then I think for for for NET, it would be great to go to a position place like that. I think if your for NET you want to go to a stable organization where you can go and sort of rehability, rehabilitate your stock, sure, go go get your hundred fifty carries at a about five five and a half yards are rip on a good team and go get yourself, you know, seven hundred yards something like that, score maybe eight nine touchdowns and not only revitalize your career, but kind of show your wares in another place. You know, we we forget because he was drafted so high. I think a signing bonus was just a little north of seventeen million. Not that he doesn't want more money, don't get me wrong, But he's not one of these running backs who's out there, you know, singing for his supper or still looking for the big pay day relative to what some of these running backs are being paid maybe four net weights to be a little choosy, or teams say why don't you come in after week one? And then when we played the whole you know, guarantee contract game again. That's if he clears waivers, which we don't know and you will know by the time this podcast drops. I'm gonna say he clears waivers, but I think he might think. I think there's a good chance. And there's a chance of it too, just because the numbers highs for over four million. Yeah right, okay, take away number two. Uh So, another move by the Jaguars this weekend. They trade Yonnick and Gockway to the Minnesota Vikings for a second round pick in one, a fifth rounder that can become a fourth rounder or a third rounder in two. Uh, the Vikings cannot sign Yournick long term because he was franchised and you're past the franchise tag deadline to do a long term deal. And if you want to know how bad things were between you Onick and Gockway and the Jaguars, here's your here's your evidence. Crash. He took almost six million dollars less to go to the Minnesota Vikings, which not only affects him this year, but are also is going to affect his franchise tag number next year. So he's basically taking what could be a two year pay cut to get to get the hell out of Jacksonville and to go to Minnesota. My takeaway from this is I love this for the Vikings. Look you look at the age of the row. That the the the age of the guys in their roster, right, Adam Feelings in his thirties, Rudolphs in his thirties, Harrison Smiths and in his thirties. Aaron Kendricks and Anthony bar I believe are both twenty eight. Um. You know, this gives you a twenty five year old guy who you compare with your other twenty five year old pass rusher and den Neil Hunter. Um, it gives them a replacement for Everson Griffin. Um. This team is very much in a win now spot. There are some guys who were in contract years like Dalvin Cook. I just I mean, for the Vikings, I think, you know, you look at the makeup of where they're at. I'm all for this. I mean, I think if you're the Vikings, you gotta go for it. And I think that this is the time to do it. And I think going and getting something somebody like Yannick to put opposite even though Yannick is not perfect as a player, not great against the run, being able to put him opposite to Neil Hunter gives you some real juice on defense. Isn't it interesting that the Vikings for about a third year here in a row, but it feels like there's that team every year. Were there the go for it team? They make short term moves. Right. We ended up seeing it when when they went for Kirk Cousins, it was originally a three year deal. Right, here's the window we got our quarterback. Let's go try to win this thing. It feels like Minnesota is perpetually that team here for the past couple of years. I like Janiking Goquay a lot. I didn't like the way he kind of handled things in terms of, you know, maybe Jacksonville is complicit in their own demise from this end in terms of setting guys up to ultimately try to shoot their way out of town. If other people do it, you know, why shouldn't uh In Goquay. And he pretty much did that. That said, man, if Minnesota doesn't get it done this year, then at what point do you look at it and say, Okay, we've done every little tweak that we can here, Why why didn't this work? This almost feels like to me another kind of make or break move from the Minnesota Vikings in terms of them trying to do things the way they have been and going to win a super Bowl because as we know, you know, the Caps probably gonna go down a little bit or won't expand anywhere near as much as they thought. So big time free agents. I mean, you know, look, Dalvin Cook has one great year. Look out that salary could explode into a neighborhood where Minnesota maybe can't keep the player, and it's you know, and they've been perpetually like one of these teams, the Saints are this way too, where they've some the chiefs or another one where they've been able to like magically make the cap work. You know, like every year they're kicking the can down the road. And so you know again like next year, all right, like now Yannicks up, Dalvin Cook's up. What do you do at left tackle with Riley Reef? You just restructured him, and as you said, the cap is going down. I just like it because I just think that they're again they're in that sweet spot and that core of players that they have is not getting any younger, and eventually Kyle Rudolph's gonna fall off, and eventually Adam Selan's gonna fall off, and eventually Harrison Smith's gonna fall off. And I just, you know, I've got questions about where they're at a corner. I've got questions about where they're at on the offensive line. They're gonna need some young players to play really well. Bradbury on the offensive line, Gladny in the secondary um. But I mean, like just as far as where they are and when they're actually gonna have to rip the Vandy off and rebuild. I don't mind diving in on a go for it move, especially orsh when you don't have to give up the first round pick to do it. Yeah, that's uh, there's no question the compensation worked. I guess it also goes to show kind of where they got way market was. And again, you know, I hate to ke keep sound like I'm banging away on the old Jacksonville organization here. However, you know, in dealing with them, maybe they know there really wasn't a market and just let that market calm down, because think about it, If Minnesota is as good as they think they can be, you know, what are we What are we looking at fifty nine six sixty one pick in the draft or something. And that's part of it, too, right, It's how good you think you're gonna be? Absolutely alright. My third takeaway, Joe Mixing this week signs a four year, forty eight million dollar deal Alvin Kamara for the first time. I'd say he's got that that that contract negotiations gotten a little sideways. I'm gonna throw Dalvin Cook's name in there too. Uh, these are big decisions. You know, there's a bumper crop of running backs in two thousands and seventeen. We've talked about Fournette. McCaffrey is kind of the new standard bearer, and you know, like my my take on this gresh is that every one of these situations is a little different. And McCaffrey gets paid. I think it's sixteen million per because I think he's exactly what Matt Rule is looking for. And so one thing you can do when you're a new coach somewhere as you can go in and say that guy over there, that guy who is doing everything you know the right way, that's the guy we reward. So you send a message to your locker room. And he's a versatile sort of player that you know you can do a lot of different things with mix, And I think you pay him because you want to have that support system for your young quarterback, sort of like what Todd Gurley was is for Jared Goff early on, sort of like what Zeke Elliott was for Dak Prescott early on. Camara is perfect for for for Sean Payton's offense. Dalvin Cook's the one to me where it's like he's got some injury history. Like we have a bunch of guys we have to pay, he's the one. So my takeaway here is sort of a broad one when it comes to the question of paying running backs. I just I think their case by case, and I know it's tough to do it because they can fall off the table. We saw it with Girly. Of course in l A. We'll see what happens with Zeke Elliott and Dallas Um. But I think each of them is sort of case by case, And I don't blame any of these guys for conducting a wildcat strike to go and get paid either, by the way, because if you've got to do that, God bless you. At that position, you don't have very much time to get your get your money. Yeah, I would, Uh, normally I'm against those kind of all, Like I said, the old wildcats strike, but I'm I'm with you on that. In terms of the running spot you mentioned case by case, let's add another layer to it, because your core Bert, I believe you're completely right if the Kansas City Chiefs they if they don't want to pay a running back, as long as Patrick Mahomes has signed, nobody cares. You know why, let's not be naive here. Why did Christian McCaffrey also get his extension and when did he get it? After Cam Newton left the organization, new coach comes in, what's the easiest way to make sure that the fan base knows that the existing superstar isn't gonna get shipped out of town the way the guy, you know, the last decade long superstar who was there just left. It's turned around and signed that guy. So there's a little bit of also the political goodwill there as well to counteract cam leaving town. In terms of Alvin Kamara, you know, he's he's such a fascinating study because Sean Payton is is such a bright offensive mind. He knows that they can use that guy like a wide receiver. You know, it's funny. I think it's just a tweak in the offense in terms of, you know, the way they move Camara around and getting him matchups. It's I mean, it's kinda what they did with Jimmy Graham before. That's what I was going to exactly what I was gonna say. It is like he's the running back person of Jimmy Graham, and you know, what you know what else he is? He's he I think he's what you remember who Sean Payton's first draft pick was in in in New Orleans. No, I don't Reggie Bush. So it's it's it's what I think he had in mind. Like Alvin Kamara is what Sean Payton was trying to get when he drafted Reggie Bush, right, Ye, Like I think and I think that that position is different in that offense, you know, like now he does. He has had more traditional backs, mark Ingram was one, but he he likes to have guys that are sort of position list, you know, like he lined up Marcus Colston. He's another example of it as a slot receiver, you know what I mean. Like, so Sean Payton plays offense a different way and he sort of looks as the at the five skill position players. It's like when I break the huddle, I don't want you to know where those guys are going, and Alvin Kamara is perfect for that. But then did did we just make the argument then against Alvin Kimara because you have a head coach who said, Okay, I had that matchup with the tight end. Now I got this matchup with a running back. But but, but, but here's how I'll change the offense. And he figured it out and they've still been really productive. So is it not necessarily where the weapon is on the field. It's that you have that weapon to play with to work everyone else off of. So you're saying you don't pay him because because you you look when to the point to where they got to Jimmy Graham where it was like, dude, we're not paying you this, come on, get out of here, and they let him go. They re you know, I mean, they just reinvented the offense. But the move piece went from being a tight end to being a running back. Well, what if it ends up going back to being a tight end again. It gives you more options, well saying as it gives you it gives you more options to replace them if you need to, which is which is definitely a fair way to look at it. They traditionally haven't paid a lot of skill players. Now they played paid Mike Thomas, you know, who's I think the best receiver in football, But they traditionally have not paid their skill players as consistent they pay their linemen. And I think part of that is what you're talking about. That Sean thinks he can make it work, you know. UM. To me, it's like I I just think Camara is such a unique talent and different, and I think it's again like Camara, I Camaron McCaffrey are those two are a little different than I think it's hard to classify them, just as running backs. Mixon and Cook are a little bit more traditional running backs but still give you value catching the ball, you know. So I think all four of them, all four of these guys were talking about I think kind of fitting that in that twenty first century running back like like they they they're not four NET like four NET was like an old school running back, like these these four guys are all twenty first century running backs, which I think gives them a little bit longer shelf life. But I do think you have to look at them situationally. So maybe you're right. Maybe Peyton looks at and says that can replace Camara. Um, But I can tell you what, Like you look at the market now, and you look at what McCaffrey got, and you look at what Mixing got, it's pretty well defined. I mean, I think you know, you gotta you're probably at the very least gonna have to come in in the middle of those two and at least like fourteen fifteen if you're the Saints stiff. Yeah, but you know what George Kittle costs fifteen million. I thought that was a bargain because you're paying your top receivers. And I mean, I think you could make the argument that Camara is to the Saints every bit what Julio Jones is to the Falcons. I think you can actually make that argument. All right, takeaway number four, Um, we're gonna have a guest on a little later who kind of kicked the hornet's nest a little bit this week, And there's blood to speculation the Dabbo Swiney could wind up as the next head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, with his young quarterback coming with him to Northern Florida. So here's my takeaway. It's great. I think Dabbo would be a really good NFL head coach. And I think the reason why he's capable of getting buy in from guys, and I think that's the most underrated thing. Like we all look at like offensive geniuses and you want to have your play called blah blah blah, blah blah blah. What's Matt Rule good at? He was a defensive guy, wasn't he? He was an offensive guy, but no one knows that he was like he was like when he was with the Giants, he was like an assistant offensive line coach. Every time I think in Matt Ruling Temple, I think of his defense, right, and like and and and so he went to he went to Caroline, and what do you do? He brought in Joe Brady with him to run his offense right, and he's got got Phil Snow who's been with him forever. Is his defensive coordinator. Point being like Matt Rule is like a program leader, and that's what Dabo is, right, Dabo is a program leader who has assistants who are will do him. Brett Venables has been with him forever on the offensive side, Tony Elliot has been with him forever. I just I don't know Grush. I like, I I know some people are gonna look at Dabbo and say, well, you know, he's a raw, raw college head coach. You know who else they said that about ten years ago, Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll, Yeah, I mean I like now, like look like a lot of this is gonna come down to getting the quarterback. But if your dabbo is sweaty and you had it in your mind, I at some point want to give the NFL a shot. And Jacksonville winds up with the number one pick and offers you the job. That'd be pretty tough to pass up, wouldn't it, Because then you can take your NFL shot with Trevor Lawrence. Let me tell you something, Albert Brier, I live in Clinson, South Carolina, and if I ever see your buck, I love an ask down here suggesting that my dabbo Dabbo Dabbo is gonna go to North Florida, which isn't even defined by Florida's North Florida. If five or Seu ricker Win's restaurant, I'm gonna come up and smack you upside the head first suggestion. Then my Lord and Savior debos leaving um. I'll tell you something that is a juicy conspiracy theory. And given the way we've talked about the Jacksonville Jaguars to this point, Bert, it is entirely plausible that they would do something like that that would be a fun one that would absolutely be a fun one. Okay, last takeaway, uh, really quick, The NFL and NFL p A did a data dump on Tuesday afternoon. I'll run you through it really quick. Rush fifty eight between August twenty one and twenty nine. That's nine days, fifty eight thousand, six hundred twenty one test administered to eighty seven hundred thirty nine people. Twenty three thousand, two hundred seventy nine of those tests were to two thousand, seven hundred forty seven players, only four paustives in that group. Thirty five thousand two tests were given to five other personnel, and six of those personnel tested positive, So ten positive tests, which is actually a little bit of an uptick from the last period when they when they release the data. This is overwhelmingly good news. And again like my big takeaway here, and we can talk about the big ten here too if you want. Look, the daily testing is the freaking key to everything. Daily testing is the key to everything because that allows you because here's the thing, crush COVID can't spread if you don't let COVID into the building, right And if you have daily testing, there's a good chance you're not letting COVID into the building, and so I just think, you know, I think not just for the NFL, for the Big ten potentially if they can get daily testing, which it looks like the President might actually help them do. Um, I think for all of us. You know, it's almost like you look at this and like cheap, accessible testing it might be the key to everything. Uh. You know, I had a buddy of mine, um who and I may have said this to you on last week's show, but you know, we were talking about it, and you know, I asked him, like, and he's a football coach, and I was like, what do you think of, you know, what the NFL is doing. And he's like, well, I've been watching in Hard Knocks and he's like, I think the NFL should be running the country. And he was joking, but like, I mean, I do think like some of the some of the stuff that they're doing and some of the success that they've had applies to some of the things that we're gonna need to do to get back on our feet as a country. Yeah, and look, I think the early part of this testing phase couldn't have gone better for the NFL, considering there were a lot of people who were comparing preseason camps to the bubbles that are going on in the NHL, in the NBA and saying, Okay, it's not gonna work. And what we haven't seen our players leaving the facility at night, going out and being irresponsible and then going out and catch something. Now, let's also remember there are less places for them to go to. There aren't as many shoe shows, ship joints, all that kind of stuff. But that said, they're still gonna be going out and you know, do they have a family member that ends up catching it? So you know, for this first phase, good job so far. Now is going to come the real test of not the testing system atself birth, but the players. Now as we start to head towards the regular season and you get into that normal algorithm of here's my week, here's my family life, your kids are going to school. Um, this is where life starts to blend in with football. They've gotten off to an amazing start and this is exactly what the NFL needed to calm everyone down. Now it's up to the players to follow through and make sure they're not As you said, you don't bring it into the to the facility, got nothing to worry about. And here's what I what I really like about this would be the last thing for me on this when I really like about it is I think so much of our problem as a country and handling this whole thing has been this polarization. I think that started politically but seeped into everything. And so on one side of this, and there shouldn't be two sides to handling a virus, but on one side of it, it's locked the door, throw away the key, We're never going outside again. On the other side, it's well, I'm gonna live my life. What about my rights? Like I'm gonna go like Clint Eastwood into the into the grocery store without a mask on, and screw you if you're wearing a mask. Like That's how we got in this mess, is that it's just we become so polarized that way. And what I appreciate about what the NFL has done is that they've sought pragmatic solutions to everything. And it's not like I'm not gonna wear a mask. It's we're gonna take every precaution we possibly can. We still might, we still know it might not work, but we're gonna take every precaution that we possibly can to try and get it right and be vigilant about it and do everything that we possibly can to try and get a season played. And the results so far are undeniable. Okay, so those numbers you read earlier, are you a part of that some from a breer camp towards No, I'm not. Actually so, I was Tier three, so you couldn't can go Tier two? I just thought so. The problem with that would have been if you're if your media and you go Tier two, you have to go through the same entry protocols that the players do. So I basically would have had to sit in like the courtyard of the spring Hill Suites down the street for a few days while I was being tested to get cleared to become Tier two. So basically what they did for me was I would drive in um Well in the morning. They you know, they obviously knew I was coming, so I would get a text from the team, whatever team it was, and then I would click on a link and it would put me it would give me a questionnaire and then for for most of the teams, then they would text you or send you or email you at like a green check mark, right so you had to show a green checkmark when you drove into the facility, and then they would take your temperature when you when you when you went into the facility, and that was pretty much it and you weren't really allowed around anybody anyway. Very interesting. That is a very interesting look because as you're reading those numbers, I'm like, wait a minute, do you count? Are you part of those people? But uh, tier three, it's like it's the status you Uh, it's it's unlike an airline with the airlines like you you're you know, medallion member or whatever on the other side of the velvet rope. Yeah, you want to write you want to be uh. Tier one is the most amount of testing, and right now you don't want to be tier one. So when you're you know, when you're getting ready to fly across the country at some point, you know this season, God willing, then you'll want to be tier one status. If I was here, I mean grass, if I was if I was Tier one, that would mean I was like a player, And I don't think anybody want to see that. So, oh that is a croc. There are a lot of people who would want to see that. Are you kidding? Me. Do you know many clicks you get on the m MQB dot com if you suited up? I mean yeah, I like I like to think the question would be whether or not I would be able to tell the story the experience afterwards. I'm not sure. Hey, listen, bro, I'm here to spin your tail for you. Right, just give me some photos and I'll fill in. I'll fill in the rest of the narrative that is that is needed. Probably that probably that probably a good probably good good obituary'd right for me. I'm oh, you kidd me that you would be amazing. Apologies to the people in Jacksonville for being real about their organization, but hopefully onward and upward. All right, that is Andrew the Third, Andrew the Third, thank you very much, and we will get to our special guests right after this. All right, now, we're gonn Welcome. Welcome to the guy who I go pretty far back with and I actually have like a really different connection to. I'm actually, for those who don't know, a former sports editor of a newspaper in Massachusetts called the Needham Times. Our guest here is actually from Needham, Massachusetts, and I want to make sure I get this right, Mike, a former Needham Times paper boy. After that, he actually went on to be the Jets general manager and the Dolphins e VP of football operations. He's Mike Tannebaum. Mike, I got that right, right, absolutely, and just the week it's set the record abundantly straight. I got paid one quarter of one penny to deliver the Needham Times when I was in fifth grade, and proudly Albert I graduated delivering the Boston Globe when I was in the sixth grade. Those are actually the first two jobs I had, so uh that that deep root of connection with you will stay with me forever, going all the way back to my roots of Needham, Massachusetts. I made. I made slightly more than than that when I was working at the Needham Times, but not a whole lot more. Um. All right, So the reason we wanted to have Mike on this week, first we we I do want to get to this because we we talked about this at the top of the show, um, and I just thought it was such a I don't know, just such a there's a lot there in what you said earlier the week. I think I think you said it on Get Up. Mike. Of course works at ESPN. Now, Um, and you said you mentioned Dabo Swiney as a potential candidate eventually to go to a place like Jacksonville. And I just want to ask you, because you've been part of these processes in the past, like how you would look at Dabbo as a head coaching candidate. Yeah, so you know Albert Um. You know, first of all, like you're talking to some of the teams that have recently done head coaching searches, his being has actually been on lists as somebody that I know teams are currently or have i should say evaluated. And if you're thinking about a search, you're certainly going to have a bigger picture list. And he's been compared to people that I've talked to to Pete Carroll, high energy, problem solving type of guy. And I'm just saying that. And look, I like Doug Moron a lot. I hope they do really well this year. But within the context of within twenty four hours losing both Jannick and Cockway as well as Leonard Fournett, that they very considerably could have the first pick overall Albert And if they did, if and it's an if, Dabbo Sweeney ever did want to go to the pros, this would be the perfect storm. And I sort of made that point to like so much of it, Like if you're Dabbo and you're like if like, I'm going to take a shot at it at some point, if that's in the back of his head, and so much of your success in the NFL boils down to the quarterback, and you know you're gonna be able to walk into that job with the quarterback that you've had, who happens to be a generational talent. That would be a lot to pass up, right, if your Dabbo, I would think Albert because again, like it really checks every box, right, you want a place that's very desirable for for players to want to go. Jacksonville is a place where they practice a play on graphs, which is important to players. There's no state in contacts, the weather is obviously great, it's not far from Clemson. They have a ton of draft choice choices, and they have a lot of cap roo and moving forward. So if you're ever gonna do it, to go there with Trevor Lawrence, who arguably is the best prospect to come out since Andrew luck Um. Again it's an if, but if it's in the back of Dad Will Sweeney's mind. I just can't imagine a scenario being better than going to Jacksonville with Trevor Lawrence if that if they indeed have the first pick. Okay, that's not a lot. We brought Mike gom but just because you said earlier in the week, Mike, I definitely wanted to get to it. We'll pivot now to the real reason that I thought it was a good time to bring you in here. And to me, it's this, obviously in your former life, this was such a big week and you hear names kind of getting dangled out their trade wise, and you know, obviously you're looking at your own roster and trying to figure out who am I gonna keep, who am I gonna try to sneak through the practice squad. So I guess I just start with this, Um, you know, just observing what's happened in the league over the last five weeks since camp started knowing what the rules are gonna be knowing like what the climate the country is, and how we don't know it's ahead. Um, how do how do you think this week is going to be different for a general manager versus what cut down week normally is yeah, just talking to a couple of teams aroount the league. What's really hard is evaluating your own knowing who to keep. It's really hard to evaluate, um, what you have. And unfortunately we're gonna miss out on some incredible stories of the you know, countless undrafted free agents who have made it year in and year out that you know will we'll just be mis evaluated and we're gonna see players get claimed that with these expanded practice squads over that team through would I really like to keep? And I think what we'll see, at least initially, more veterans make it because they'll know people. We'll see, um, some younger players become available, and I think the smart teams will take advantage of that and they'll maybe be a little bit more pressed on the plane. Uh come Saturday night. Can you remember like an example of whether it was a player on your own team that you learned about in a preseason game or a player on maybe somebody else's team that you watched in a preseason game, as like maybe an example of how important those were to the process and maybe what people what what all these teams are losing and not having the preseason games. Yeah, I mean there's so many notable ones over the years, but you know guys like j Ji that were you know, later round picks that really flashed in games, or even maybe more famously Victor Cruz. You know that that goes all the way back to hard knocks. But Victor Cruz was somebody from my alma mater, U mass who um was very unhap unheralded, and the New York Giants sign because it was local to them. He had an unbelievable game where we were at the Jets, and obviously Victor Cruz. The rest is history. You know, there's just so many examples over the years of those types of guys from West Welcore, Wayne Curbet, you know, talked about you know, Wayne Curbett wouldn't have had the career he had about the benefit of preseason games. So, um, unfortunately we're gonna lose out on some of those great stories. What do you think general managers are doing right now and try to figure out like who they might want to put a claiming on the on the waiver wire because again, like you said, like you're sort of flying blind here. So if you're in charge of a team right now, what are you doing to try to prepare for the just flood of players that are suddenly going to hit the wire on on Saturday afternoon. Yeah, I think what we're seeing right now, basically Albert is, UM, they're going back and looking at a lot of college state just to be as thorough as possible. And that's really the only thing you could go off of. So you're looking for guys that maybe we're hurt. You were looking at guys that maybe slipped through cracks on draft day for whatever reason. Uh under let's say under scouted transferred injury suspensions. Um, those are typically and I remember our coach Parcel has had a great expression out but this time of year, which is when you're looking to develop a player, they should have a developmental attribute, meaning it could be size, it could be speed, but you want something that you can develop. And I think that's what teams will be looking for. And it's gonna be, you know, come Saturday now into Sunday morning, the wild, wild West. So do you think it's gonna be like over the couple of days after that, Like, I mean I would think then, like because you are flying blind like that, maybe you get a lemon, you know what I mean. I'm gonna hate to refer to a person that way, but you get something that you don't think that it's not what you thought it was gonna be. So maybe there's like just a ton of roster turnover Saturday, Sunday, Monday, like something like that, like where teams are bringing in guys and then maybe this guy or that guy isn't quite what they thought he'd be and then he's been and he's thrown back on the waiver wire. Yeah, and I think where we're gonna see Albert is, uh, there's really nothing wrong with like roster turn over this time of year. And typically, like what the conversation with coaching staffs are is like, look, you handle players one through UM and then after that we'll handle the rest and let us you know, go through and you know you'll also see um possibly you know, acclaim failed physical, You'll see a trade, trade conditions that work out. You'll see a lot of transactions over the next um, you know, really until next Tuesday, and that's okay. Um, I just you really try to split the building into getting ready for openy Day and then the back half of the roster how do you think if you were a GM right now you'd be preparing for the COVID thing, Like, do you think it would affect who you kept? Do you think it would affect like, you know, kind of how you handle your practice squad? Obviously it's bigger this year. Um, as a result of all of this, how do you think that just the circumstances we're all in as a country would affect the way that you would handle of the next few days. UM. I think it's UM. I would want to have as many veteran players a shortlists as possible. UM. But knowing that, UM, you know it's not gonna be perfect. But I think you're gonna see veterans, you know, being asked to stay in cities for you know, several weeks, let's say, or to be um, you know, available on a moment's notice. You know, the quarterback position in particular is gonna be really interesting. I think really veteran quarterbacks like go back to the Jets last year with the David fails Is of the world. Maybe those guys are now on practice squads. So there there's a lot um that can happen between now. Again, you know, a week from Thursday when the season begins. And I think the quarterback position in particular will be interesting where we may see you know, ten and eleven year vets listen, a guy like Josh McCown, for example, be to be on a practice right now. They may or may not accept that Andy and I mean albert Um in terms of what they feel is in their best interests. But I think the quarterback position in particular something we should watch carefully is that is that is that like pretty common that you would ask how to stay in a city, like have you've done that before? Where you would say kind of guy, but say, look, listen, like we we may need you in a couple of weeks, so if you could sit tight like you know, it would really help us. Is that common or would that be something to be a tweak this year? I think I think it's so it's not totally outside the norm. You know, obviously players can go wherever they want um and certainly you know, some cities are are more locations you know, destinations cities than others. But I think you will see that especially this year. Or I think what you gonna see is like, hey, make sure you're in shape because when we're calling. It could be on Friday and you're playing on Sunday, and the worst thing you can do is getat of shape and have a soft tissue injury and miss a paycheck and miss the opportunity to play in a game. Because I think we'll see that quite a bit, Albert, in terms of we'll see play players test on a Friday, let's say, and games just could be really weird in terms of team's depth being tested in ways they never thought of. Did you like, like you do you do you have any good stories of like having needed somebody on short notice where maybe you called him in on a Friday and they were able able to turn around and actually do something for you on Sunday. Yeah, I mean we've had to bring in guys absolutely um and you tell them like, hey, you know, you got one day to get ready, um, and that's happened. It doesn't happen as often now because of the way the practice squads have been expanded, but going back a number of years, it does happen. So like and that's just like, is the guy generally somebody you've already had in like because so so they have an idea like, so generally in. That's so sort of situation you'd want somebody who already had the background of having worked there before, so they're not starting from zero. Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's typically that someone knows the system or you know, we had one year where we were going to be in in the playoffs in our seed was locked in and we had Brad Smith play quarterbacks. So getting not done in a couple of years. Um, you just things come up, um out of the blue that you know you just gotta be prepared for um. And again sometimes trades, like you're counting on a guy he comes in and fails physical. So you know, over the years, all those things happened to you know, varying degrees. So I want to get to that too, Like what do you think the trade market will be like? Because like my understanding is having talked to some guys, has been pretty quiet at least up until now, and a lot of the calls are sort of like, you know, we're heavy here or where are you heavy? Where are you light? And it's just it almost feels like teams are sort of playing footstee with each other right now. Um, Like like do you think it's gonna be a slower trade market because teams do need the depth and because maybe a guy that you saw as dispensable two years ago, you know you're worried that like you're gonna lose X, Y or Z player and then you might need them. Do you think it's gonna be a lit was slower this year? Yeah, I think we're a see you know, player for player. I think were as he needs for needs all line up again. So I would tell you that, Um, it may be quiet now, Albert, but one thing is like that's a million miles from Saturday. So I think we're gonna see a number of trades and it's all again this time of year, Albert, is all based on need and what we see player for player trades. It's hey, can I feel a deed? Can you feel a need? Um? You know the other thing we've seen and we just saw it most recently with the Kalin Bellage trade, which ironically was voided, but you know it was flipping up fifth for fourth for the player. I think we're gonna see things like that as well. So, um, it may be quiet today, but I would think if you and I are having this conversation in a week we're gonna see a lot more trade activity. So how would that work then, Like, just give people an idea how that works. Like when you have a player you know you're gonna cut, is it just all right? I'm gonna go through the role of dex and I'm gonna call everybody. Yeah, and basically if you want to do like the back half of the plane here, So it would be like team seventeen through thirty, you and say, hey, you know we're thinking about cutting player X. Player X is never gonna get to you in the claiming order because for the first three games, the order is based on the draft order. So this player will never get to you. Will take us, uh you know, seventh round pick next year and you know you have the player. Okay, Um, all right, I want to wrap up with you now. I like on something that's obviously a little more serious than what we've been talking talking about obviously over the last week. Um, you know, the social justice initiatives across the league have kind of been moved back on to center stage because of you know what happened in Kenosha, and we had teams canceling practice last week. Obviously in the NBA and baseball because they are playing games. Some games were canceled, you know, and Mike you were obviously in Miami, UM with Kenny Stills and with Mike Thomas, and so you guys were sort of one of the I I guess, one of the epicenters of of the activity UM from players. UM. Yeah, I think my biggest question for you on this, you know, it's just somebody who's who's been through it and who's seen it. UM, what do you think the players want? Like, you know, you hear a lot over the last UM a few days about how you know the owners have to be careful and you know how you know players would be willing to sit out a game, UM to make a statement. What do you think from your experience players are looking for from the owners right now? You know, Albert, I think at the end of the day, it's really about making meaningful change and obviously has been a challenging here in a lot of ways covid UM. But with that said, I think a lot of the conversation and activities around bringing bringing a heightened sense of uh all these issues to the service were very necessary and I think we want to make sure that you know, because of that there's actionable items. So when we look back in six months, a year, or even five years, that we could say, you know, a lot of good came out of those conversations, and all the discussions we've had around social injustice were meaningful and productive. And I think there's a healthy relationship right now between the league and the union, you know, as evidence by a ten year c b A, which was negotiating February, which candidly feels like a million years ago. But I think if they get in the room and say, what can we do collectively with this incredible platform that's meaningful, not you know, just showing up on a Tuesday, which is typically the player's day off for you know, a photo shoot, which, let's face it, over the years, a lot of people have done, um, what can we meaningfully do in communities to have like impactful, long lasting change, um? And there's a lot of ways to do that, and obviously we're seeing that with uh, you know, new voting centers, maybe having you know, the entire league off on election day, which I think is fantastic because you know, players are such incredible role models that um, you know, if they put the emphasis on voting, like the permutations of that could be you know, very significant and very productive. So I think, um, things are only go in the right direction. I think we're we've seen you know, the narrative become much more mainstream. It's become much more UM look to me like it's it's a great staying power. Like it's Uh, I think it's really necessary what we're having these conversations about. So hopefully, you know, the legacy of this period of time in twenty will be again that the programs that are put in place are meaningful, uh and they actually create change that can impact, you know, society for the better. What do you what was the biggest thing you learned being around Kenny and Mike through that time. You know, I just think anytime you're in a position of leadership is trying to be a good listener and you try to uh understand where people are coming from, players coming from, and you know, obviously this is an issue that a lot of players, including those that you mentioned, we're very passionate about, and you try to listen and address to their conserves the best you can. All right, Um, He's Mike Tannebaum, former Jet CM, former Dolphins executive and former need hum Times paper boy. Mike, really appreciate you coming out. Thank you all but great to be with you. Really appreciate it all right. Thanks to Michael. Like I said, we go way back. He's always a fantastic guests. We're gonna jump right in the sixth pack. You guys know how this works. Every week I put the call of questions out on Twitter. I picked six. If I picked yours, you get it like that means I hit that little heart emoji, um the whole heart button on Twitter and you get an answered here on the podcast. Question number one, this is from con that's at Sea Underscore Mahony. Most ideal landing spot for Leonard four Nett and now Alvin Kamara. I got to four Net earlier. We now know by the way that he has cleared waivers. So there, I like, it's gonna be up to him where he wants to go. I again, I believe that going to a place like Pittsburgh would be perfect for him. Chicago, Green Bay, both those teams have former coordinators of him, so they of his, So those that there is the natural connection there. Pittsburgh makes a ton of sense to me. I'd love to see what he would look like in Black and Golden. Again, there's the blueprint there. It's what they have. They were able to sort of revive Jerome Bettis's career. I think you can do something similar with for nett As for Camara. I mean to me, like an ideal landing spot for Camara would be a place like Tampa, and I don't think they would trade him there, but man, would that be fun to see him with the Bucks, with all of the weaponry they have there. I think the Bucks would probably be willing to give up a first round pick to get him, but I don't think they trade him in division. So most ideal landing spot Tampa. Maybe a more realistic one if you're gonna trade him out of conference, somewhere like Indianapolis maybe, I mean they have Jonathan Taylor Now, maybe that would be one that would be interesting. Um, it'll be interesting to see what happens. Question number two is from Fenton that's at c fent in twenty three. If he had to pick a starting quarterback for this year, only Josh Allen, Sam Donald or Baker may Field. I would take Baker Mayfield. I think he's the most evolved of the three quarterbacks. I think he's the most accurate of the three quarterbacks, and I like his college production over the other two. UM. I also like the situation that he's in. I know we're not if I don't think your question is really related to that, but the situation that he's in right now, getting new two news starting tackles. UM who I think can play in Geddrick Wills and UH and Jack Conklin I think really helps so of those three right now today, for this year, I would take Baker Mayfield because I think he's the most evolved guy. I think he's the most accurate guy. I think he's the most ready to win for you today. Question number three from Matt Ramos. That's at Matt underscore Ramos Hell teams manage their own locker rooms this year, with so many people being in a confined place, will they stagger access between offense and defense, training and medical staff at skill position players? Matt, what they've done. They've set up auxiliary locker rooms. A lot of the teams that are already in their stadiums, um I have actually split their ninety man roster or eight man roster up between the home locker room the visiting locker room. I know the Texans are using the cheerleading locker room. You're gonna see sort of that sort of use of space. The media won't be in the locker room this year, at least to start, and I think for the probably for the entire year. UM locker room axis was again in the new protocols cut down, so the number of people that are allowed in the locker rooms very small. I'm not sure even the owners are gonna be allowed in the locker rooms. So that's gonna be a very ay. They're gonna spread players out as much as they can be, they're very much gonna limit it. Who can actually go in there? Question number four, This is from Jason Scott at Robert at rabbit Oh Jack Jacks leadership called while Morrow making moves as if they've been told they're safe to tear it down tank for Trevor and Resett. Is this the case? Why blow it up if you won't be there for the rebuild? That's a great question, Jason. I do think that there's That's the one thing that I liked when when I look at this, you know, I sort of think to myself, guy, like I wonder if they have insurances, and that the whole idea is to make a run of having a high pick and getting the long term quarterback next year. Because I I do think from an asset management standpoint, they've done okay. They got two first round picks for Jalen Ramsey. They actually hadn't gotten a hard offer for a second round pick before the offering for in Gockway had come along, so they waited it out and wound up getting a better offer um in the end than they had initially had Freani and Gockway. Um. You know, they were able to trade Claias Campbell, who's obviously an older player and probably wouldn't be playing anymore when they get good again. So just as far as you know, they got something for a j boy, I just as far as like asset management, I don't mind what they've done. Um. And you know, I do think that there's a there's that question there about, you know, whether or not they've got and I don't think they have insurance insurances passed this year. I think it's very much could be the plan that they've sold the ownership on. If you say to them, listen, we need to tear this thing down and maybe you're convincing, um, you know, owners that like, hey, this is the right thing to do, and you're bad enough to get a quarterback. But the young players that you've drafted and brought into the building, guys like Josh Allen and d J. Shark and Cavalan Chason and c. J. Henderson like guys like that, wind up showing enough promise where you show them. Uh, on one side, we're ready to get our quarterback, and we're ready to load up, and we've got all these assets. On the other side, um, you know, and you've been bad enough to be in that position. And then and then on the other side, you do have some ascending young talent which would cause them maybe to trust you to use those draft picks. Question number five from D Train that's at Hey, D Train, do you ever feel And I picked this question specifically because I thought it was a question that people would think I wouldn't answer. Hey, do you ever feel a twinge of any remorse when you look back at all your awful Kaepernick takes, especially now in this moment, uh, D Train, I would tell you this, I've learned a lot over the last few years, um, and that's from talking to people, from listening to people, from going back and and and and asking questions of my childhood friends. UM. I again like I feel like I've come, um, come some distance over the last few years, UM. And and in learning and getting a deeper understanding UM and feeling better and feeling empathy UM for people around me, um, you know, particularly the people I grew up with, some of the people I grew up with. So I do think that, you know, I've changed evolved over the last three or four years. I don't know that like that. I had a lot, a whole lot of takes on what I said about Kaepernick back then that I was doing reporting, you know, and my reporting showed that the that there were reasons football involved, and there were reasons outside of football why you know he wound up, um, you know, staying on the market and remaining available and not getting signed. And I certainly think that was part of it. And the point I made back then was, you know, well, if this is Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton at time or somebody like that, then they wouldn't have lost their job and if they had been available, they would have been snapped up right away. And it's all about, like to me like, so much of this is sort of what you bring with you is relative to how good a player you are, and how good your player you are means you can bring more with you. And you know, we saw this with Tim Tebow. Tim t was sort of brought a circus with him, and so that was why it took it while he sat out on the market for so long, and certain circumstances was because if he's your starting quarterback, you're willing to take on a lot to bring in the guy. But if it's your backup, a lot of times GOT teams will say, well, no, like let me get that guy over there, who isn't bringing anything extra with him, who's just gonna blend him with the furniture. That was the whole point I made the whole time, and I would stand by that. And that was just reporting. That was you know, me talking to the people in the league and figuring out, Okay, why is this happening? Um. So again, i feel like I've learned a ton and I know more now than I knew three or four years ago. And I hope that I'm better. I'm better able will feel empathy, um, and better able to grasp what other people are going through and how difficult this is for so many people. Um, and hopefully you know my like, my whole thing is like I want to be an ally, um, you know. But like the stuff from three or four years ago, all of that was reporting, um, which is my job. Question number six from Calli Jets fan. That's at Calli Jets. I understand Joe Douglas has a long term plan, but he did a poor job at the receiver and inside interior offensive line positions. Walk me through his mindset if you can. Just don't get how you let a potential franchise QB go out and get his ass kicked for a big developmental third year. Um, callie, here's what I would tell you. I do think there were some limits and how much they can spend this offseason. And I think that the idea has been all along to build up the offensive line first, and build up the defensive front first, and then build out from there. If you look at the places he's been Philadelphia and Baltimore, primarily he was in Chicago for a year. Uh you know what. The the way they build in those places is through the lines of scrimmage, and so I think the id the whole idea here, McKay, Beckton, George Fan going and getting guys like that and building up the lines of scrimmage. The ideas you're trying to give your quarterback the best chance um by taking some of the pressure off of him. And if you want to look at the quarterbacks who have broken out over the last three years, the two second year quarterbacks, what are they all have in common? They all played behind great offensive lines and all had really strong tackle play. It's true of Carson Wentz with Lane Johnson and Jason Peters. It was true of Patrick Mahomes with Mitch Schwartz and Eric Fisher, and it was true of Lamar Jackson last year with Ronnie Stanley and Orlando Brown. So I think the idea is that you don't build roman a day, and you're starting to build out now and so you know you're building from the inside out. That means you're starting on those lines of scrimmage, and that's what Joe Douglas is doing. I also don't think that Sam Donald walked on to the same sort of close to finished situation that those other three guys did. Carson Wentz walked into a better situation, and so did Patrick Mahomes, so did Lamar Jackson, Sam Donald's you know, kind of in this situation where there's a little more building and require around him, which makes it more difficult for the Jets to take advantage of him being on his rookie contract. Appreciate you guys coming out. Always, always, always listen to all of our podcasts, and we got news this week that the podcast fees are gonna be split up. So I'm going back to my old podcast feed. We're gonna be doing multiple podcasts for you a week. We're gonna tweak the show. So now more than ever, I need all of your feedback, right so please please please get me your feedback on my social media channels. It's at Albert Brier on Twitter, at Albert are Bury on Facebook, at Albert Underscore Brier on Instagram. You can get to me there. We are going to incorporate stuff that's gonna be evolving. We're gonna have a fantasy segment. Grass is gonna be part of the show. We're gonna have guests, We're gonna do a lot of different stuff and so I want to hear what you want to hear, so we can work incorporated into the show and you know again. Keep listening to Jenny and Connors Week's side podcast, Keep listening to Gary's podcast. Will be on three separate feeds now, and you'll be able to find all of those three feeds. Where you find all of your podcasts, Spotify, Stitch, your tune in, Google Play, Apple Podcasts, wherever you guys get your shows will be there at same time next week. I'll see you, guys,

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