Hey guys, Sabot, We're gonna kick things off this week with a complete NFL focused breakdown of what happened in college football on Tuesday afternoon. After that, we've got a recurring guest, and I know you guys know and love. He'll be in to break down the draft class quarterbacks and also the challenge that all quarterbacks are facing this year and so that it could affect the NFL season in an adverse way. And as always, we wrapped the whole thing up with all of your questions in the six pack. Let's go all right. Welcome in the MMQB Podcast with Albert Brier. We are on the cusp of NFL teams starting real football practices by the fourteenth, which I believe I don't have my calendar up right now. A Friday, the Texans and Chiefs will be putting pads on. By next Monday, the rest of the league will have pads on. So we're getting closer to football season. And I do want to get into all of that eventually and answer some of your questions on the NFL eventually. But as we're recording this right now, some major news has broken. I would say probably probably the biggest news that we've had sports related. Um, the biggest cancelations we've had sports related coming out of the COVID nineteen pandemic. Uh. The Big Ten and PAC twelve have canceled their fall sports seasons. UH. I know at this point the Big Ten has talked about moving into the spring. I think it's unrealistic. Um. The PAC twelve, I'm not sure if we've heard that from them yet. The Big Twelve, by the time you listen to this, may have made a decision that I think they were slated to vote tonight. The A c, C and SEC reportedly are holding strong. I don't cover college sports, so I don't have maybe the level of insight that I would have. I just I wanna before we get to the takeaways with crash, I just wanna say, I'm not gonna be one of those hypocrites. Okay, So there are lots of hypocrites here, all right. There's the university presidents who are opening campus is up. And if you know what Big ten campuses look like, I mean, these are massive, massive campuses. I think I think the majority of the schools have over forty undergrad enrollment. I went to one of those schools, as many of you know. I'm just telling you, like social distancing, uh, like all the different guide like unfollowable if you're opening your campus right like, so you can't tell me that you're okay with welcoming tens of thousands of students onto campus right and then saying you can't take care of a couple of hundred student athletes and then tell me that this is about health and safety. This is about liability, period, end of story. So I think the university there's there's some hypocrisy of the university presidents in this case. Um. I think a lot of the people who um usually are backing the players, and rightfully so like the players, I think deserve some level of compensation. I think the play I think the player has been screwed for a long time. I think the n c A had a long time to fix this problem and that's a big piece of what's happening now. Um, and they didn't. But those some same people are telling you don't listen to the players now, and I think a lot of those people have no freaking clue what goes into being an athlete, the amount of work that goes into it, the amount of emotion that goes into it, and how difficult this is for every single athlete, no matter whether they're going to the NFL or not. They have no idea what this is like and how hard this is for those kids. So I feel bad for all of those kids. On the flip side, there are people who would never wanted an athlete to have a right that are now telling you to listen to the athletes. So it exists on both ends of it, and I guess i'm quote unquote both sides in it, but there are hypocrites on both sides of this. I think the university presidents are like, look, we all know the score here. They're welcoming all those students, all the regular students back to campus because they can't lose the tuition. That's why that's happening, right, That's why that's happening. And if you want to talk about money, the money involved there at that level dwarfs what in college sports. Makes a huge money making machine. But these university presidents, presidents cannot come out here and take this higher ground when they're opening the campuses to all the kids. So I think there's a lot of hypocrisy on a lot of different levels. I'm gonna try not to be a hypocrite here as we bring in for the takeaways. I'm trying not to be a hypocrite here. Um it's sad, man. It sucks. It sucks. And I you know, I grew up watching college football, like college football and in the NFL like like football is my favorite sports in general. I you know, I like going to h I bring my kids. I mean, like, look like I don't just cover football for a living. I bring my kids to high school games on Friday nights, you know what I mean, just like my dad did for me. And I know that you obviously can relate with that growing up in western Pennsylvania. So just to see, um, the plug pulled, I understand it. But let's see the plug pulled on the Big Tweet ten and the Pact twelve and I look probably way all of college football this fall. It just sucks. Well, Number one, don't feel bad for your hypocrisy, because I think a part of the human element in the times we live right now is that we need to embrace some of the hypocrisy within ourselves. Or Bert just saying, hey, you know what I can be for lack, but I can be for Black Lives matter, but I don't want to defund the police. Like you're allowed to have to contradictory thought. Everyone tries to make it the boy God, you gotta have this one thought process for this thought process said that. But seriously, but if you don't, if you don't agree with me a percent, then then then you're an idiot. Right. That's like that's our whole culture now, it is, and that's the social media and if things look, I'm a sports yacker, I probably don't contribute very well in terms of being a positive light in a situation like this. But like on my National show on CBS Sports Radio on Sunday night, I actually asked the question because you know, what I kept seeing is that if anybody were reported anything, it was, oh, you're rooting for the season to be canceled. So people like you and others who would even put a nugget out there, it would be, well, you're rooting for this or you're rooting for that, and look, you you hit a tiny little bit bird of the layers of all of this. So think about it, right, and to what what would be a reason for people to root against college football? Oh, I don't know the system that has put us in this place. Right now, you mentioned the hypocrisy. Do you know who the five biggest hypocrites are? And all of this are the five major conference commissioners. You know why because years ago they made a concerted effort to tell the n C Double A h bots win, don't need you kick rocks. And then now that the is hitting the fan and you're all over it. It is the liability issue. They can't get any help from the n C Double A on that end. The COVID waivers things of that nature. So now we're really we're realizing and for those who maybe lived under a rock bird, they're not realizing it's a business because if it was really about the health and safety of the players, they wouldn't have even shown up to begin with. But the reason they got to pull the plug on part of it is because they're worried about a lawsuit that would be brought against them that apparently would be bigger one, a bigger one that would be brought against them if an average student caught COVID nineteen. And then you get into name, image and likeness. They've got Craney disrectus on that the fact that you have. You know, one school is doing this, one school is doing that. And then Bert, let's throw in the real complicated layers. I go off on this state by state, what they're doing in out I want to get to that because that is okay. So in two levels, this is reflective of what's happening in our country, all right. Number one, we couldn't follow directions. No, we couldn't. Like people just couldn't. People couldn't help themselves. You had to go out on Memorial Day weekend. You couldn't let this screw like. You acted as if there was like an ex spiration date on the disease, right, and like, well, I can't take this anymore if we hit all and I know this because I have family in Western Europe. If we had handled this better off the jump from the jump, we wouldn't be in this position. So that's number one, And I think that it's the same thing I've said with the NFL. I was asked I was getting my kids haircut today and somebody asked me, like, is the NFL season gonna get played? I've given I've given everyone the same answer. Whatever happens in our country will dictate that it's not up to the NFL. It's up to all of us. It's up to then it's up to everybody in America to handle this better than we have over the last five or six month months. Number two, this is I mean, like like like how like how ironic is it that the college football season was taken down by a like just like it went down in the manner where it was just passing the buck and the mess at the end of it is just about one person passing the buck to the other, passing the buck to the other. Over the last couple of weeks, I've talked to coaches at Ohio State, at Oklahoma, at Boston College, and Florida. I talked to Dan Mullen this morning. Football coaches are in charge of this. Think about that NFL teams aren't putting and they're doing a damn good job too. Like these guys are like because you know what, they're listening to the doctor. A lot of them and I'm not saying all of them, but a lot of them are listening to the doctors. They're working on they're protecting the kids, and like that shouldn't be a football coaches job. But that's a result of things getting passed down from level to level. It's why city mayors are in charge of managing COVID nineteen, Like right, like, why is the mayor of a like when we know how this thing spreads, why is this like a town by town thing, Like, oh, well, well it's not a problem in our town, all right, So I don't know, it's like why like like, well, but to your point, to your point, so what you what you laid out from a from a like state town. That's what's happening in college football. That's what I'm saying it exactly right. And and and the five people who set it up that way are those five big conference commissioners who are now looking to someone else to help them when they never wanted the n C double A involved to begin with. Like that's that they made the big money grab. And now they're in the spot to where they have to handle it in their rooms. Who can't so they just, like you said, they can just keep passing the buck. And unfortunately it all flows downhill because they if there's no real n C double A backstop, the conferences are just like, oh my god, how do we get our money? You know, look, let's be real here. From the monetary standpoint, we can all understand why the sec want to play football. I mean we're talking forty fifty million dollars per team that allows them. But again it goes to show that business and the potential of litigation, as you had mentioned earlier on this part, is one of the driving causes in all this. They're gonna tell us about the heart diseases that could be connected to COVID nineteen. Look here here's here's the other part of this too real quick. But you mentioned about opening college campuses, right, So doesn't that work both ways? Right? So the general populace could be back, but no, our conferences and letting us playing football. So how in the world do we justify that? Or it's the proverbial it's not safe to bring back students. Well, we've created our own bubble now, so why can't we turn around and go play? And I think for a lot of college presidents who who knows who the college presidents are a lot of these schools and what their contracts are. Maybe you know what, if you're like six months to go on your deal as a school president, what are you gonna do? You're probably gonna be told to air on the side of caution. So there's so many layers to this. It's just gross because that's the way the system is built. That we have all gotten off on every Saturday, and that I've made money on every Saturday in terms of college football. You know, it's funny about too, is like, uh, I hate to relate this. It sounds like it's trivial, right, but can't we relate this to the video game? I'm gonna I think this is like sort of interesting, right, So remember the n c A video I love the n c A video game when I was a kid, right, like not when he now, even when I was a kid, when I was like, I was playing it well into my twenties. You know, you and I are doming right now. I could walk to the other side of my room and go get my copy stack them had I literally I literally stopped buying video game like when it's thirty four. I literally stopped buying video games when they discontinued that series, all right, So so that was an opportunity for them, right, That was an opportunity for them because that game was a great way to get people like interested in the sport, and it was a huge driver, just the same way madness for the NFL, right, and like there was an opportunity there when that, when the abandoned case happened and everything else, there was an opportunity there for them to say, you know what, we need to start making some common sense decisions here. Let's go to the Olympic model. Let's let guys benefit from their name, image likeness, let's use the video game as sort of a launching point for all of this, and let's just reinvent the college model. You know what happens then. What happens then is they rethink everything right. And so at that point, I think it's you know, it's just to me, it's like you could have used that, You could have used that one thing, two dive into we're going to reinvent things, and we're not gonna get cop flatfooted, and we're gonna get in front of a problem that's brewing because everyone knew that problem was brewing. Instead, what they do bury their head in the sand and ignored the problem. They did what a lot of what happens in a lot of industries, right, This is like why newspapers and magazines, this is why this has happened to these industries because you get old people who are in charge who look at it and say, I don't want to change because I don't know how to do that other stuff. I'm not as good at it. So let's see if I can make it till retirement, and then it will be somebody else's problem. That's exactly where it is. Happens in a lot of industries. It's destroyed the media. And I'm telling you it's like it's a piece of what's happening in college sports, I think. And we're gonna jump into the takeaways now. I I the two people, the two groups of people I feel worse for here. Number one, the college football players. It sucks, it really does. I mean, and all those kids from the NFL found kids to the ones who I mean, you know, the high school took coach here in our here in the town I live in. His his son's was going into his fourth year as the starting quarterback at Williams College. UM sucks for him, you know what I mean, Like he like like he's gonna be a team captain. Um, he's going to actually go back for a fifth year. UM, And you know, I just feel bad for all the kids at every level of college football for what's happening here. And I feel almost worse for the for the the athletes and other sports because I'm telling you, if you think that this is gonna halt in the end of college football and basketball, you're wrong. That's the golden Goose and the people who are going to feel this. If I was a scholarship athlete at a power five power five conference in a non revenue sport, I would be shaking in my freaking boots right now. Yeah, I know that's where the pinch is gonna happen. I know you and I are going to get to the future in a little bit. I've got some thoughts on that. I think with college football paused, they should be on alert, but I don't think they should be completely scared just yet. However, that is coming up on this College Whatnot edition of The Beer Whatnot. All Right, So we're gonna go through the five takeaways here. Um. You know, I think that the the the immediate thing is what this means. You know, for players that are NFL bound. We're gonna hit this draft wise in a couple of different a couple different ways. Um, I think this is gonna lead to an exodus even if the SEC and a CEC holds strong. Here's what I think is gonna happen. You're gonna see the Big ten, the Pac twelve, and the Big twelve athletes, the ones who we know are NFL bound, Pine sul the big offensive tackle from Oregon, Couity Pay, the big defensive end from Michigan who was a Rhode Island guy right justin Fields, and Shawn Wade. Much as it pains me to say, from Ohio State, I think you're going to see the the the high end draft prospects and those two conferences sign with agents probably fairly soon. Those guys are gonna go into draft prep. Now, if you're a top end kid at a Big twelve school and a CEC school or an SEC school, right, what do you do Now? It's a race. Now you're in a race, and those kids are getting in front of you now, and so are you going to take part in a bastardized college season that's always going to be looked at a little weird or are you going to declare for the draft? I think if you're a first rounder Bert, you would be smart to declare because who knows what situation you're gonna walk into in terms of your playing time, it might hurt your stock. So yeah, my first takeaway is I'm trying to think of some examples for you, Like I'm still getting to know the draft class a little bit better, but I mean, I think Alabama's got a few of them, right, Like if you're Nag Harris at Alabama, or your Devonte Smith at Alabama, or you're you know, Trevor Lawrence would be the obvious one of Clemson, that's a big domino. I don't know, it's a little different for a quarterback, but Travis et in the running back at Clemson. If you're one of those kids, I think you look at it and you say to yourself, like why am I staying now? Like this is this is gonna be this, This season is going to be a mess. Half the country isn't playing. I'm out, you know. So I think that that's gonna be the first that That's my first takeaway is that I think that that's going to be a piece of this. Yeah, And I think for the NFL there now in a terrible spot because last year's draft grades for kids are what is in theory going to stick to them in terms of this year's draft. So, Burt know, we know that the NFL has kind of cleaned up their process a little bit in terms of the way they give the players. They don't kind of lead them on per se. It's a little more realistic as to what they can be. Well, what about those kids who thought, Okay, I'll do that process after this coming season versus the year before. So there's gonna be getting information. I can only imagine what it's gonna be like in the agent world and coaches having to deal with agents already happening. Yeah, I mean Greg Russo already signed with rosen House. I think, yeah, so some of them will happen on the first rounders. But you know this as well as I do. It's those mid to late round guys who get delusions of grandeur because an agent gets into Hawk thinking this is gonna be his big ticket. Guys end up getting bad info. Um in terms of I mean, look, what does what's our buddy Jim Nagi do with the Senior Bowl? Right? Why do you have call it all Star Games? For me? It's I think it sort of depends on where we're at. I mean this could wind up wind up being great, right, I could wind up being great for him. But that's all dependent again on where we are as a country, you know, But how do he has of right now? As of right now in this environment, it would be a horrible idea to bring people from all over the country together in one spot. You can't do it right right now? Yes, but you know, would you be able to come up with some sort of smaller practice structure that the pros would be using the OVID nineteen you know, but because they The reason I bring that up is birt if we're gonna have let's say we're gonna have three guys out there who outside of the first round, who all think they should be drafted, how do they show their wares? It may end up being a situation like that. But you know, if if I think I'm getting drafted and I know I'm gonna get a paid day, I think I just step out and start getting ready and see if there's an All Star game I can play in, and if not, brush up on as much ANDFL skills as I can. Number two, Um, I do think that this his potential to affect the future for the NFL. And you know, I look back to like Christian McCaffrey and Leonard four Nett, and I think there's one other one that year, like those guys opted out of their Bowl game, right, And wasn't it from Oregon We got drafted in like the sixth round or some might have been. There were there were, there were, there were a few of them that first year. McCaffrey was I believe, the first one to kind of jump off the you know, jump off, and then a couple others followed him. Obviously, Now it's a more I think it's been normalized, right, And you know, because it didn't affect where Christian McCaffrey was drafted, it certainly hasn't affected his NFL career. A lot of people, you know, I think more kids have felt comfortable doing that. It's given other kids cover to make that decision if we have, like if we have fifteen or twenty kids skipped their last year and wind up, okay, does that change the dynamic now going forward because now kids in the future have covered to skip an entire year, right, So I think that that to me the NFL. Now, I'm not saying it's every kid, because there are certain kids that just love the college experience, love playing college football. Some of the kids in the big programs, you know, maybe a short fall short of a national title, and that's something you still want to pursue. And I think all of that will still exist. But don't you think that this gives cover to some kids who might be great as freshman and sophomores and then just decide I don't want to take the risk anymore. So I think that there's definitely potential there where that affects the NFL. And here's the other part, rash, does that encourage the NFL to relax their rules the three year rule? And a lot of people don't realize this. A lot of people think that the college football systems what keeps kids in school. It's not. That's an NFL rule. The three year rule is an NFL rule. And when Mori's correct and Mike Williams tried to enter the draft in two thousand and four, who are they suing? They were suing the NFL? Right, So I think that this's got potential, Like, so does the NFL look at it now? If a bunch of kids, say twenty of the thirty two first rounders don't play this maybe it's all of them. If all the college of all college footballs cancel, maybe it's all of them. Right, Um, how does that affect How does that affect the future for the NFL? You know, and does the NFL have to look at that start to look at it pragmatically then and say, you know, maybe we need to relax this rule if we don't want kids just you know, spending entire years and training facilities and not playing football. It's interesting because as you start to work through that, you know what I thought it was Jadeveon Clowney Remember big hit Bowl game South Carolina. Oh my god, this kid has to go back another year when he's ready and he was still the you know, number one pick in the draft or whatever. You know. However, it turned out to be that Clowney went and was able to manage through a year at South Carolina. I mean at all of our kind of shut it down at the Houston two years ago, like in the middle of the season. So it's not like this hasn't been talked about before, and it's usually been it's usually been injury, suspension or like it's usually been related to. But when guys have missed Tyron Matthew obvious was an obvious one, Nick Bosa, Miles Jack. There have been a few, and I think if you're the if you're the NFL p A, because they're the ones who are ultimately going down right. It's it's been negotiated between the NFL and the NFL p A on sort of the rule is to when these kids can come in from college. You know, I don't know. I don't know how to feel about that. If I'm a veteran player, I'm like, nope. That's why it's been easy. That's why it's been easy for the NFL to keep that rule intact because it's a collectively bargained rule. That's one reason why it's been easy for the NFL to keep that rule intact for as long as they have, because it benefits the guys who are in the NFL p A that there that the uber talented kid, the uber talented nineteen or twenty year old can't come into the league. So will a Bosa or a Clowney or a Miles Jack looked at it and say, no, no, no. If I had the opportunity to, I would have come out after my sophomore year. Maybe it should only be two years, because we could argue that the guys that are good enough as sophomores in college are physically capable to deal with playing against men at the NFL level. So from that end, uh yes, I think it could lead to the NFL opening their eyes to it. I could see a tweak to two years, and there might be a segment of NFL people, and you know this as well as anybody who would be like, that's college problem. I don't care what happens to them in their third year. We're not letting them in after three. And that's it because that's the way the NFL kind of operates. It's like, screw everybody else, We're the big fish. React us all right. Third takeaway. If you're the Rock, what are you doing right now? Oh you're well, first of all, you're celebrating a great Titans game finale on NBC. Uh No, But in all seriousness, you're thinking, Oh, these kids are gonna fall right into my lap. It's juice nuggets of deliciousness for him. I mean, do you set up a bubble? I don't try to play. Try to give those kids like a six game season or something. I know there was the rumblings of some sort of bubble league to give them something. If you can pull well, would you be able to get enough talent? Is my first question. Think part of it probably depends on how if all of college football shuts down that that would be a part of it. But even then, and then, and then you could have the guys who played in the XFL in the spring, because how many games do those guys play? I think it was four or five. It ended up being play again if they're not in the league now, right, all right, So let's just do some quick math here. Let's say you need for six teams, but I went fifty five, So you're looking at three hundred and thirty players. Are there three hundred and thirty players that are out there who would want to participate in something like that because some of the people they would be pulling from, and you know this, the Tuesday visits bringing in street free agents is gonna be crazy this year. Do those kids look at it or do guys look at it and say, no, I'd rather not play because I don't want to get hurt, or this is my only way to get noticed. I I wonder about Initially, I would wonder about the quality of player that that league would get, because maybe it's possible. It's possible to you know, now that I kind of workshop this a little bit more in my head. It's also possible if you know you're Trevor Lawrence and say Clemson the a c C cancels that season, isn't it possibly? You's just say I'm not going and playing behind some offensive line. I don't know if I'm honestly I'm Trevor Lawrence. I'm in Malibu working out right now. Well yeah, yeah, knowing him, he'll be in like you know, Augusta, Georgia or something like that part. But but in all seriousness, if I'm the Rock, I'm sitting there thinking how can I capitalize this from my spring league? When can I start? Like that's where the Rock, you know, starts to make some phone calls and try to figure out or at least have an idea, Hey, when might there be a vaccine? Because if I'm him, what I'm saying into some of the college kids now is, look, if you think this system doesn't work for you and you're two years away from being able to go to the NFL, you're gonna miss a college season, come play in my spring XFL, get yourself noticed. Then you're in the pipeline to get into training. Who knows, maybe they amend some Senior Bowl rules, or the Rock puts on some sort of game, or XFL guys is some sort of shaowcase. There's gotta be a way for him to capitalize on this. But Birt, I just don't know if the fall I I don't think it'd be hard. It'd be hard. Okay, take away number four to me? The draft impact here if again, like if the season is canceled all together, I don't. I don't think effect it effects Trevor Lawrence. I don't think it affects justin fields, Trey Lance, Pine Sewell. Um, you know the guys who were gonna go at the top, obviously Michael Parsons and Greg Russo, they've already thrown their names in the hat. Um. I think to me, the one that got me that kind of like contextualized it for me was seeing Joe Burrows tweet right like, do you see what he tweeted the other day? I did, yes, because there was no seasons. Because the woman I saw interviewing a coach oh about it called him Joey, which is what he puts on his Twitter, so literally, not knowing who he is, they would call him Joey when a sports dudes don't call him that, Okay, So like look at the last three number one overall picks, right, so you have right there, like right down the line, Baker Mayfield was probably a third or fourth round pick, Kyler Murray was a baseball player, and Joe Burrow is probably a third fourth round pick going into their final collegiate years. So that's the guy who pays right now. And there are lots of other players at great programs who have been one year starters, who are just behind really good players. And I'll use the example that I know because it's where I went to school. But Marshawn Lattimore was behind. It was hurt a bunch and behind Eli Apple and Um and Gary and Connelly at Ohio State. Had a great sixteen season and then wound up declaring for the seventeen draft. Now he's one of the best corners in football. Those two, Lattimore and then Connolly, we're blocking Denzel Ward. Denzel Ward winds up becoming the full time guy in two thousand and seventeen and he's the fourth pick in the draft the next year. And there are examples like that at a lot of at a handful of the big schools, there are a ton of examples like that of guys who are just blocked by somebody in front of them, or who needed another year of development. And that's the guy who's hurt. Like, that's the guy who's sort of stuck in no man's land if they don't play right, like where you know, you're just sort of like you know what you can do, but you just haven't had the opportunity to prove it. Yeah, And I think of look as a guy who played FCS level college football and all of the guys who have made it from that level. Uh, is it a pipeline like the SEC. No, But it's a pretty damn good one. There's been a lot of players out of that level of football who have come into a big impact. And I agree with you. Look, I feel for all of the players that are that are affected by this, but I guess for me, I look at it in terms of the guys with the big schools, and that if there is you know, like Joe Burrow right, it was Ohio State. Then he goes to l s U. But why did he get a chance and why would he have maybe been drafted even if he didn't have the great year he did because he was highly thought of out of out of college. You know, look at the Patriot draft and Jared I mean out of high school. Look at Jared Stead up right, he had like what one year at Auburn, But the Patriots are like, well, we went all the way back with this guy, whereas those kids like me and other fcss, they didn't have that background for people to go into. And it's just, well, if I can't justify what round I think he could be drafted, then I don't know. Maybe we just put him in a pile with everybody else and try to figure it out. It's it's gonna stink relative to draft prep and finding a way for guys to get out. And you know what, Bert, get ready for it because now with the age of social media, we're gonna have so many guys that are gonna be pimping their workouts. Look at what I did, but I'm working with bench press in pounds. Dude, Get ready for it. You know it's gonna be Hey, I gotta find a way to impress these dudes. And honestly, it's gonna be It's gonna be like the Titan Games Olympics out there for these guys prepping for the NFL Draft. And if you're a scout bro, like you know a ton of people in that world, how in the world do you try to find a way to just your boss is your thoughts on a player that you really like? I think you know what it is, though, Gresh. I mean, it's gonna sort of like journalism, Like your connections are really gonna matter. And that's the g MS I've talked to, Like, there are connections at the college level really freaking count now, Like knowing I can get a straight answer from somebody on something, Knowing I can get a straight answer from somebody from a coach, from an assistant coach from UH, you know, from UH, an OPS person, from a strength coach, from a trainer. Like having those connections on the ground and these different colleges is going to be so valuable now, right like, because those are the guys that know and those especially at the big schools, where they have context of like this person versus that person. Like every GM I've talked to has said, you know, the guys who are the most connected now are going to have a huge, huge nantage going into one draft. Yeah, and and I think those that have the ability to um to unearthed Allen or to maybe see you know, hey, I don't need a starting defensive tackle in the fourth round, but I need a guy who who can you know, hold the interior on first and second down something. You know, those are the people that are going to win. Can I go identify a mid round player that will actually fill a need and be a part of my rotation. Let's throw another curve ball into this. What if you have a college football season in the spring, and then you have a college football season in the fall. This just doesn't affect guys this year. Let's say you play great in the spring, you get hurt in the fall, or you play so bad in the spring you lose your job in the fall, or you know what I mean, just the whole There's so much uncertainty around potentially jamming back to back college football seasons into one another that that alone is going to affect some draft prospects in a way. And I don't think a spring season is gonna happen, But if it does, you better believe the NFL is gonna move its draft back back. See, I mean, like and I'm telling you, I'm telling you. Is it because this is wanted? No, it's because it's because the NFL will not mess with college football. And there's a they're they're very I mean, it is the deal the NFL has. Like what college football is for the NFL. Like, it's amazing. They have a they have a free minor league. Be they have a foundation for their biggest offseason event, right the draft. The draft wouldn't be nearly the deal, big deal it was. If college football wasn't wildly popular, it would not be near what it is. In three they've got a marketing machine for future stars of the league. Like Baker Mayfield came into the league a star. Tim Tebow came into the league a star. To Devian clown, he came into the league a star. Like these guys come into the league now with huge, huge name recognition, Like who knew who Mike Trout was when he when he got called up to the Angels? I didn't like, right, Like you have a prodigy every so often? How is college basketball? How is it the one and Dunns and you know they're straight from high school for a while. How has that affected the NBA draft? And and and and and the influx of foreign born players. Nobody cares about the NBA draft outside of a couple of picks. Now, the NFL drafts a big deal because we've heard of all of the players, and so that a creates the foundation for the event and be makes these guys ready made stars. So those are two elements that are really important. On top of the fact that they don't have to pay for any of it. The NFL is a free minor league. Do you know how hard it would be how expensive it would be for the NFL to have to pay two Shepherd kids through from eighteen to twenty one years old to get them ready to play in the league. Enormous financial burden that's off their shoulders, no question. I mean they've got that, they got a great I still think they'll test college football a little bit. And let's also not forget that there's probably only about two or three networks. They're paying big money to be involved with all the people, and they got to figure out a television roadmap as well. Finally, are my fifth takeaway this will affect the future of college sports. I don't think there's any question about it. The money loss is going to be enormous. Um. I think all sports are dealing with this on one level or another. But canceling a season, I mean, it's it's gonna be cataclysmic for in these In these towns, um, you know, a lot of them, A big part of the economy is driven by college football, believe it or not, Um, you know, So it's gonna affect those places. And I think the future of college sports now, there's gonna be a reckoning for the for the business of college football and basketball. And I think it probably you know, winds up me. And I think the name, image and likeness thing is probably a foregone conclusion thing. Now there's probably some reform in the way that the rest of college sports are how how how athletes you know in those sports are compensated, and that is horrible news for all the male athletes and every men's athlete that can't you know, play that that doesn't play football or basketball. We are getting close to armageddon, friend, However, we're not there yet. And I'm going off of a conversation that I had with a FCS commissioner, whose teams mainly get the majority of their money through the n C Double A tournament. So the big football factories, of course they're going to take their hit, but they know ultimately the money is going to come back in you missed n C Double A tournament revenue. For For the majority of the schools that are playing n C Double A sports, football does not make them a ton of money. In fact, it might even be a loss leader for some. So the context of the conversation you and I had today are probably really centered around anywhere from seventy to nineties schools the rest need the n C Double A tournament and where the real armageddon would hit. And to your point, I'm not with you yet, it should be on everyone's radar, but if the n C Double A tournament or a college basketball season is compromised, then it will be the true armageddon for college sports. And one of the first things that I think that will have to be looked at is Title nine because even though Title nine is good in spirit, what it has done has led to yes, irresponsible spending, but unnecessary spending because you have to balance certain things out. It's almost a forced failed economic model onto a lot of these institutions that maybe that ends up getting fixed. But if we get into no n c Double A tournament or that college basketball season gets sideways, that's when the majority of the school's feel the pinch because they don't have those big football dollars or endowments to fall back on and correct me if I'm I think like so at least some of the money, the n c A tournament money was insured last year. I think it's different like it doesn't. It's not that the insurance doesn't cover you for a second year cancelation. So that's something to kind of like that. You said, keep on your radar because that's the n c A money, Yes, and that's where and you know again the Power fives are hoarding the money for themselves. It will change the way they have to do business, but ultimately the coffers get filled again. This is revenue and money loss that will will never come back. And I'll be honest with you, uh, I know you and I are getting ready to wrap this up. I didn't think we'd be at this spot. I thought for sure, and you and I probably talked about it a million times along the way. The Power fives were going to figure it out. And I'm really surprised that a league like the Big Ten ended up banging out their season or as you say, everyone's willing to push every push it all into the fall. Yeah, I thought they did at least try. I thought they didn't least try, Like, maybe they wouldn't finish, maybe it would prove to be too difficult to do in a college environment, But I thought they'd at least try, so most of all, Gresh, you know this, I'm sad. I love college football. I you know, it's just the idea of false Saturdays without it, and I hope we get something, but but the idea of false Saturdays with that, it really really sucks. Yeah, otherwise, you and I are gonna be like playing golf on Saturdays if we're allowed to. You and I have never seen each other as much in the last year as we have over zoomed this year. That's great, right, that's right. That's great too when you think about it. But if we have Saturday's open, maybe we can help our handicaps. There you go, there, you go, all right, appreciate you coming out, and we'll get to our special guests and just one second, I want to give you guys, it's just a heads up on this. He and I talked before the Big ten and the PAC twelve canceled. It was only an hour or two before, so it's sort of we knew it might be coming down the pike. But just for context when you guys are listening, keep that in mind. We'll get to him right after this. All right, we're gonna bring back one of our favorite guests here, and honestly, this is like one of the guys that normally talked to the preview the college season. We'll see if there's gonna be a college season, because we normally go through the quarterbacks with him ahead of the fall to give you guys a look at who's coming. He actually helped me kind of identify Joe Burrow last year at this time, and we're gonna get to all that with him. We're also gonna talk a lot of NFL with him. Um, welcome back in Jordan Palmer of QB Summit. Jordan, what's going on? Not much? Well, I mean a lot of stuff that's going on, it's just not much. Not not much of it is related to people running around playing football in the field. So weird times. Yeah, and absolutely is. It's definitely been a different summer, There's no question about that. So here's where I want to start. You know, you, um, you've obviously you know, you work with a lot of these guys and and I know it's obviously been a different you know, offseason from that standpoint to UM. Now, I'm just wondering, like I guess where I want to start with you. It's just talking about how getting a guy ready for camp, getting a guy ready for the NFL season, how you maybe adjusted that or you're approaching it a little differently with your NFL guys than you have in the past. Well, for what I do, UM, it had a positive and negative effects. It had a negative effect on the amount of guys I could work with because I was supposed to have what would have looked like almost like an eighth of the quarterbacks in the NFL out here. I was gonna have a big group of guys out here coming and going throughout this whole off season. Um. And once COVID became a real thing in March, and you know, really once Pro Day started getting canceled, which was in March, and ultimately Joe Burrows got canceled in April was when l S uses supposed to happen. That's kind of when everyone said, Hey, I'm gonna wait and see here about flying and you know, throwing. So I ended up training a much smaller group of guys, which was the negative, But the positive was the guys that I got to work with. We were uninterrupted for what really ended up being five and a half months. They didn't leave for O T A S. They didn't have they didn't have shoots, right, they didn't have marketing stuff. They were in l A for three days for these production days. Um, and they didn't have vacations. And you know, these guys are twenty four years old, which is kind of like wedding season. You know when you're when you're that age, you go to five weddings every summer. They also didn't have weddings to go to. So for Sam Donald, Josh Allen and Kyle Allen, those three core guys who kind of all had like bought houses where I live now and and and are kind of making this home. Um, we were really uninterrupted for five half months. So I trained a lot fewer guys, but we got a lot more done and we're able to really build out a really cool plan instead of a four week plan and then they leave. We just kind of ended up building out a five month plan and UM and the results UM ended up being pretty incredible. Well, it's just like, let's let's look at those three then, like like, how do you think those three are gonna how do you think like we're gonna be able to see it from those three kind of what you guys were able to accomplish. UM, Well, I think what they were what they were able to accomplish in that time. And it's not training with me. It's the combination of UM, this woman named Naomi, who's uh, who's our strength coach, and and and then we bring in a you know, speed coach, and then you've got you know, this guy Drew Marcos from Modus who's in my opinion, the best physical therapists. And so it was really like this program that was built out UM. And for me, I'm able to test so I work with Wilson footballs and UM there's a chip in the ball so I can literally test spiral efficiency, which is an algorithm one through a hundred where you can literally measure UM the integrity like the integrity of the spirals basically what we call it UM. There's also Miles Prouer, which is just velocity, and then uh spin rate which is our pms revolutions per minute, and so UM we saw major gains and all three of those guys across those three categories, which is really relevant, right, That goes back to like ball never lies. So Josh Allen, Wait, so Josh Allen throwing a harder now anyway, spinning spinning it better, spinning it better UM and uh so better spiral efficiency and just consistency on that UM was was the biggest jump with him. But but then also I used this program UM called biometric and so UM. They basically set up sixteen motion high speed motion capture cameras around the guys. We test every three weeks and now we can start to look at their upper and lower body disassociation. So from there their pelvis to their torso, how much separation are getting, how much flexibility are you and better rotation are you getting to the right and to the left. So these are like little things that fans are not going to see and wouldn't follow. The casual fan wouldn't follow. But we set out goals and they were able to in five and a half months do that and make these changes, and so the result is they throw it better. And so yeah, I mean, is there anything that you did specific to this year to get them ready? Differently, like I forget the time, Like, is there anything that you felt like you had to prepare him for? And this can be metal too, Like is there anything like that you really felt like it was important to make sure you gave those guys as they went back to their camps not having had a spring obviously camp is going to be sideways to begin with, Like, is there anything that you like it really felt like it was important for you guys to drill down before they walked into this really unusual circumstance. Yeah, for sure. I always look at through the lens of trying to help guys become triple threats, so physically, mentally and emotionally and so on the physical side of it, Um, we did a lot way more off platform um and what I call getting to your shot, so basically movement and then get set really quick and get rid of the ball. Because I think O line play across the board is gonna be the worst we've ever seen Um, I think guys quarterbacks are gonna be running for their lives at a rate that we've never seen before. The reason is because this whole screwed up off season I don't think had very much of a negative effect on the defensive lineman. These guys still could work out. They can still work on their berths getting out of their stance, They can still run that hoop where they work about keeping their hips low and leaning, they can still work on bending. They don't really they didn't really lose anything out of this offensive line. And I had I had Andrew Whitworth on my Solomon Wilcotts and I have show on Serious and XM NFL Radio on Thursdays, and um, we had Andrew Witworth on as a guest, and he was talking about how um uh, he's a really good golfer and how old line play is getting more and more like a golf where it's very very technical, it's very muscle memory, over and over again. So those guys not having an offseason, that's a major major negative effect. So O line has really really hit by this whole COVID thing. Not getting a chance to pass off twist, not getting a chance to work on full speed bullrush, not getting a chance to work on you know, switching things off and and where your hands need to be. D line plays is D line is not affective. So I think quarterbacks and be running for their lives. So we literally spent of the throws that we did, they were not dropping back and throwing. They were at being asked to move or forced to move. So that was the biggest thing right there. Um. The second thing is I think we're gonna see a lot of injuries, a lot of soft tissue injuries at all positions because guys haven't been trained in the way that they like. They've been working out, but they haven't been chasing people, right, So figuring out ways to get you know, if you lose two receivers, getting other guys up and running. So really it was on the mental side of things. How do you get to a place where you are completely fine with playing with players who are under under prepared. Um, that was like a big conversation and figuring out ways to get together with all the guys to make sure that that's not an issue. And then the third is just mentally, um, really just going how do you find confidence in chaos? Like how how are you going to be the most confident quarterback amongst this screwed up situation? And I think that's just a mindset. And so those are like three themes that we really just for five and a half six months, really hammered. I'm interested in the offensive play thing and the offensive line play thing because I think I don't know the first time I've heard that, And like, so you think that that's gonna be noticeable, like you think earlier in the year, Like that's something that we're all gonna be able to. It's gonna be flashing. Does well. I think someone will break the sack record and like three other people will be right behind them. Like I I don't know what the sack number is. I'm just saying sacks will be up, pressures will be up, hits will be up. I think completion percentage across the board will be down. There's just gonna be more stuff around the quarterbacks. So is that advantage like Patrick Mahomes advantage LaMarche Like advantaged guys who know how to get away right, who get rid of it quick, and who can create time and space. And I've said this to you before. I think the future of the position is the quarterbacks ability to create time and space. And and I look at this differently, right because I I see I see Tyler Buckner, and I see Caleb Williams. I see the top high school kids in the country and what type of athletes they are and the programs that they're going to. And so then I train a lot of college guys. I see what's working there. And then obviously on the NFL side of things, So the big stiff guy with a rocket arm, I think those guys are dead. You have to be able to create time in space. All I'm saying is this year that's gonna be at a premium. Whoever ends up playing this year, Um, I think dudes will be running for their lives a lot more than normal. And I don't think that. Again, I'm always on up, you know, opportunists. So the way that I coach guys, so I'm not saying that's a problem. I'm saying who's gonna take advantage of it the most? So you look at a Sam Donald and his ability to create time and space, and I go huge advantage. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes, Yeah, Lamar Jackson. All three of the guys I trained. I mean Josh Allen is you could make pound for pound maybe maybe the best athlete at the position. And uh and Kyle is sneaky athlete. There's not a huge gap between him and some of the best athletes at the position. So yeah, it's a lot of you also don't have to be super athletic to do that. I think Drew Brees is an amazing job of creating time and space. Tony Romo is a guy that comes to mind. He doesn't have the coolest looking body ever, He's not doesn't look like Cam Newton, but he was a magician back there in the pocket. And so a lot of it is feel and mechanics. That's gonna be fascinating too, because like I think about like, okay, like if New England, if like problem solvers like Josh McDaniels are dealt that card, like how do they deploy Cam Newton? Does that change? Right? Like? So I would think it would sort of maybe creep into scheme too, and how you're using guys right, And I'm not taking char It out of the competition there either him too, no for sure, but but quit game putting the ball in the hands of your playmakers. I think screens go up. I think um r p O s are already going up anyways, but um yeah, I think getting the ball out of your hand ends and getting it allowing your playmakers to make moves. That's always a good thing, but it's going to be more of a necessity now. Another thing that I think is going to be uh people that are another group of people I think are gonna have be negatively affected from this offseason is guys making open field tackles. They just have That's nobody has been practicing that, right, Nobody has been doing pursuit drills and sinking their hips. They've been doing pedal plant ball drills, running lifting. So I think guys are gonna have a harder time, especially early in the year, with open field tackles. So if the pass rush is better, if the old line plays down, and open field tackling is negatively affected, then you get the ball out quick right right. Yeah, So I want to hit the second thing that you mentioned two, which was like like the idea of being able to play with players who are less prepared or less ready to get in there, Like how do you do that? You know what I mean? Like, how do you get do you how do you prepare are your quarterback to get ready to play with somebody who isn't prepared, who isn't as prepared as he is. The first thing you have to do is not let it negatively affect your confidence. Oh, this guy can't stop, this guy can't catch, this guy can't go like you have to you have to figure out you have to like, never let it have a negative effect. You have to figure out a way for when this guy's in. Here's how we're going to use them, how why it's gonna work. So that's a mindset. But also I think you've got to get really good and get really used to coaching for these quarterbacks, getting guys up up to speed running on the same page, I think that's going to be paramountain. So it's it's part of it is the mindset, and part of it is the communication. The third element is it's going to be important for staffs to keep things on the simpler end, simpler side, so that they can cycle more guys through. Yeah, that was interesting cause I had that. You know, I talked to Matt Rule about that the other day, and uh, he was saying, like he said to his coaches, I want confident players out there. So if that means we're doing five things instead of ten things, and five things really well instead of ten things, just okay, let's just do the five things and then if we get good at those, then we'll do six and seven later, which I thought was like, I don't know, like just a really logical way to handle a situation like this, right, I totally agree. And and a lot of a lot of coaches have a hard time on the ego set of things, not being the most innovative guy out there and not putting amazing stuff on tape. A lot of guys have a hard time doing that. Um, But that makes sense that Matt Rule said that because if you watched Joe Brady, who's his offense coordinator. Now, if you watched Joe Brady's offense at LSU last year, they were not that complex. They ran four verticals all the time. In fact, from Week four on l s U, every single pass play was a five man protection and run a six man. They kept things incredibly simple and let their quarterbacks figure out at the line of scrimmage. So that makes sense. New quarterback, new coordinator, new head coach. Seven defensive picks in the draft. All seven picks run defense. Like that's just a lot of youngest d line in the league. Yeah, yeah, keep it simple, Yeah, alright, And I want to has a seven year contract and has the ability to go. You know, I don't have to be smarter than everybody. I'm gonna try and win some games here and lose my and that guy has none. Yeah, absolutely, Um, all right. I want to shift to the college game, and I want to start with sort of a global question here, which is, if you are advising Justin Fields or Trevor Lawrence or um or Trey Lance or one of the kids who's sort of cemented to go in the first round, what do you think you'd be telling them right now about whether or not they should play in the first pick. And I know we haven't had a quarterback opt out, but the idea of it's come up, and I just like, I wonder because I think it's a you know, we we talked with Brady Quinn about this last week. It's just a sort of a different deal at that position, right because of responsibility to your teammates and how can be stabilized a program if you leave and there's all but that whole thing about how many reps you need before you go in the nf fell So, like, what would your advice be to one of those kids as far as whether or not he should stick it out and play the college season. Well, I think it's part of it as an all answered is is if they were to play on time, you know, if it was, they're gonna start here pretty soon. Um. Yeah, I think if you've got a chance to play, you've been preparing to play for this year. Um, as long as you're okay with the risks and however you feel about that and family and all that. UM. I would advise guys to play and and to be I've always been on the side of things as I work with guys because I've never been in this situation. But I've certainly been involved in conversations of do we throw at the combine or not? Do we you know, what do we do at the combine? And what do we do at the pro Da. I've just always or do I play in the Senior Bowl or not? Um, So that's what I'm in that usually in that conversation with somebody every year, um or multiple guys, And so for me, I've always you know, taken the side of you know, if you're a competitor, and you know, if I'm a competitor, give me a ball, give me a place to throw. And keep in mind to where where I kind of developed that Lens my older brother was the unanimous for sure gonna go number one. Carson played in the Senior Bowl. Carson threw at the combine. Person just did everything right and did not need to and it was not popular at that time, and so that was just kind of like the world I grew up in watching UM. And but at the same time, these guys, they are competitors. Trevor is not trying to boost his NFL stock. He's starting to win another championship. Yeah, right now. I can't speak for what everybody's trying to do, but the guys that are cemented in the first round, I just don't see UM enough reasons to say, yeah, you know, you should, you should back out, and you should feel totally comfortable with backing out, like the way that you can you know, the fact that that has on the program and just all the other things that come with it. UM. Outside of some really personal reasons siffic to that guy not playing UM, I think these guys are going to continue to try and play and and uh, and I don't blame them. Do you think like having a certain amount of throwers matters to like is that your experience that a guy needs a certain amount of reps before he gets the league and that could be beneficial or are you not in that camp. I don't think there is a certain amount. I think the more experience you can have playing quarterback, the better it's it goes. It's the same thing for hey, you know Jordan's show my sixteen year old enter and all these seven on seven tournaments. Well, the more experience that he has playing quarterback the better. And even if it's bad experience, even if it's getting hurt and bouncing back and having to deal with that, even if it's playing on a bad team, playing with a battle line. You're talking about guys getting ready for the NFL. UM, I think you'd love to have, you know, I think you'd love to have two or three years of starts under your belt. But we've seen people with less than that have success, and we've seen people start four years and not have success. Okay, so I just want to fire through some of the top kids. Just your impressions on them going into this year, and um, and what you think? And then and then I want to get a dark horse because again you're the guy who I did Joe Joe Burrow for me last year. Let's just start with the obvious, present, presumptive number one pick, and that's Trevor Lawrence and kind of comparing him, like, do you think like, because you hear about there's that that that other category right like Andrew Luck, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Like, do you think Trevor Lawrence belongs in that category? The category not right here. I'm not saying right now, I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying. I just have a hard time with categories that are things like, um, there are things like you know, is this you know Tom Brady? Is this guy gonna be? So I'm not saying you're asking that. But the category I look at it is if you draft this guy, right, do you have h it's to win it? Win a Super Bowl? I'm not talking about like you know, throw for a ton of yards and have a good year. Do you literally have a chance to win a championship with this player if the pieces around him support it? That I think is the category that needs to like, that's the category, right, I think Trevor Lawrence, Yes, if you put the pieces around him, he can win you a championship. The things that lead me to believe that is the way that he played his true freshman year, the way that he blocked out the negativity last year, and the way that he has stepped into this I mean big conversation now talking about the you know, the president retweeting him and like it's he's kind of the voice of the players like him stepping into that. I think that he is now getting himself. He's so well rounded in the experience that's needed to be in that category that I mentioned that I would say that, yes, you can put him in that category, not just because he's six five, not just because the way that he played last year, But no, I just think all the pieces, it's very mature. He just gotta engage the other day. Um, I think he has all those pieces where yes, he's in that category. Do you think there's a is there is there a flaw in his game? Is there something that he's so I mean, obviously there's that stuff that everybody can work on, right, but is there something that you see where you're like, you know, like he could be better there or well, you know that's more development will take care of this. Well, I think I don't see any major flaws in his in his college game. I think the flaws that will expose themselves in the NFL that will happen when he gets there. And so for me, it's less about what are his flaws, and it's more about when when you figure out something that he's that's hard for him or it's problematic for him once he gets to the NFL, how quickly does he remedy that? How quickly does he fix it? And And in my experience of being around Trevor, he's a guy who's who is always trying to work and trying to figure out how to get better. So all the talent, all the things are there, it's just gonna be how quickly does he improve on the things that get exposed when he gets to the NFL. Whether that's up front and figuring out who's blocking who, whether that's seeing coverage. I don't know how he's gonna see NFL coverages until he has to see him, but I do, but I do believe that he'll fix those things quickly and that and that's really the key thing. And then the other thing that all these guys need is they need to develop more touch. I've always said quarterbacks get really good at the things that they have to do to survive. And because they run systems in high school and college that don't require them to throw people open very often, a lot of the college guys I see in one of the top ones they don't have great touch. Doesn't mean they can't, It just means they haven't had to do it as much. So that's another thing that all these guys once they get to the NFL have to continue to develop. Okay, Justin Fields obviously, one year is a starter. Um, where are you at on him? And is he close to Lawrence at all? Um? You know when you when you when you're looking at the town. Um, I think in the physical ability they're close, and there's gonna be some things that Justin's better. Um, but it's just hard off that one year. The hardest the hardest thing about scouting Justin in my opinion, is that, um, the talent around him. You know, the amount of games where they played other teams that were just as good as them. It's kind of like to a last year. UM, they're just better than everybody. So what does it look like when they're not? You know, what does it look like when he's not on the best team on the field, like in Miami? Like that? That was always a question and I don't know the answer to it. It's just a I don't know the answer. UM. And so with UM, with Justin, I think all those things are there. I would love to see him play another year. It will be an interesting evaluation. If they don't play and he comes out and and it's only getting drafted off last season, that will be an interesting evaluation because I think there will be a group of people who don't who don't see what the other group sees, if that makes sense. UM, And I'm not sure where I'm at. I've been around him enough to know that he's a he's a great dude. I mean, he's a he's gonna be a worker, he's gonna be he's smart, he's gonna learn it, he's gonna he's gonna be motivated to UM to do everything that he can. UM and not everybody is. But I think he's a guy who he's gonna come into this league because he can create time and space, and because he can learn things really quickly, I think he's gonna be a great player. What do you think that we're will the divide beyond him? Then he said there's gonna be like you think there'll be a difference of opinion? Where do you think that difference of opinion is going to exist? Doesn't translate because because if he only plays one season, I think there's gonna be a group of people that are looking at this as shoot is this Mr Rabinsky? He looks awesome in shorts and shirts. He's a great duty interviews, Well, he's all these things. He's a great leader, big program. But man, I didn't see I didn't see enough games to know for sure. Uh, And I don't know which side all of that fence I'll end up on um. But I do know enough about him to know that like he can, he can do all the things physically, and I think he's capable of learning everything that he's gonna need to learn mentally. And he's handled these big, huge moments. Guys like Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence. The big similarity is since they were in high school, it's been all eyes on them and Case in point, when Justin Fields is in high school and he shows up to a seven on seven tournament, it's not about how many people are there, the fans or any of that. The reality is is that every single kid there knows he's there and is waiting to see if he stinks. They're waiting to see him screw up. So I see this all the time, these kids that are these big time recruits, the amount of reps they have of having pressure and having to play well, they have like thousands of these reps, and so like that does something to you when you're fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and Justin has been the man since he's been fifteen, so like that that's relevant to me. And he's handled him and Trevor both handle that really really well, and so that kind of stuff, And then you go to Ohio State and then you have success like that just gets you ready to play in a way that if you go to a small cool it doesn't. Right. So, so physically it's all there with Fields though, Like physically okay, so both those guys, like you think both those guys are sort of just freaks, right. Um. The third guy I want to ask you about is somebody who's sort of creeped into that. I think the national consciousness the last a few months really like and really like. His numbers are out of control UM twenty touchdown passes, zero interceptions, rush for I've never seen it before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean a good guy played the whole season and outthrow a pick, you know. I mean it's like it's like the it's like you had It's how you were playing n c A football on on like freshman level, you know that in the day. So like when you look at Trey Lance from North Dakota State, Um, what do you see? Um? And is he does what you've seen translate to the NFL. Yeah, this is crazy, but I think there's a chance, not crazy, but people will think it's crazy. I think there's a like a really good chance that this guy emerges. Is I'm not trying, I don't know what the draft, who's gonna get picked where? Who knows what's happening you know, college the drafts. But once this guy gets into the league, this guy has almost all the same things that I saw in Patrick Mahomes, sophomore engineer. I'm not making the comparison on that. I'm just saying the way he carries himself. Um, the unique physical attributes and when I say unique, I mean no one else has them. Um, and like the quiet competitor that he is. But then he's just got this like smile that's like so likable and you go like, gosh freaking like this kid like Patrick, same things. Patrick was more raw and had a weirder mechanics and had less transferable football stuff right playing in Texas Tech. This kid's playing in North Dakota State. The last two quarterbacks have played there got drafted. So I think this is the guy. I'm all in on tra Lance? What sticks out like? So what jumps like? I guess? I guess. Then the question would be like, because you know, I think the great ones have superpowers? Right, Like, what's Trey lances superpower when you watch him play? Yeah, I think the biggest thing with Trey Lances as he goes from college to pro and the reason that I believe what I believe about him and his his potential and I'm and he's a he's a guy where if this season gets canceled, he'll he'll be and he comes out. He's only got one season and it's at North Dakota State. And so what I said about justin fields, it will be these two camps of man, is that enough time? I can't really, I still have questions. Trey may have the same issue. But what I see is because he is has the the like the velocity that he can create and the energy he can create when he throws, but also how quick it is, and also the type of runner he is when he really gets consistent with the routine over and over and over again. I just look of that and I go, I don't know, that might be that combination might be unique. You talk about a superpower, you know, Josh and Patrick, those guys have the strongest arms, and Lamar is the fastest, and this guy is the tallest, and this guy is the smartest. But I think trade superpowers might be that he's just this combination that is really really rare. But what I see in the similarity to him and Patrick is the stuff that you'll see on Instagram, but it's not showing up on stats, which is this is an incredibly likable followable like hard work. I mean, this guy is that guy um And I just think that the general population, you know, football world, doesn't know this yet. But if this becomes an off season where every all eyes are on draft prospects and people learn about this trail Lance guy, I think he's gonna just I think he's gonna explode in a way that Patrick did. So he's gonna be like a rocket chip. Like it's gonna be like wait, like everybody's been talking talking Lawrence and Fields and then it's like, you know, this kid's right with them. Yes, everyone was talking about a lot of people when that other guy came up, and I just think this is one of those situations. Okay, um, all right. So I think those three are the ones that people have talked about the most. There is there someone else, because like if we look at the last like look at the last three first overall picks, right, Baker Mayfield was probably a third or fourth round pick going into the seventeen college season. Kyler Murray was a baseball player going into the eighteen season. Joe Burrow, as we discussed, was seen by most people. It is probably a middle round pick going into the nineteen season. Is there somebody out there that you see that has the potential to have this sort of meteoric rise as those three guys had, well, there's some interesting guys in this draft class. UM. But the like my answer is not even on the draft class. Like, if this guy does have this meteoric rise, I don't even know if he comes out. But it's actually the transfer from USC J T. Daniels, who's at Georgia UM. And I know there's a quarterback competition there because Jimmie Newman also transferred in from Wake Forest, who's a really good player. UM. But I just see in J. T. Daniels full disclosure, I've been working with j. T. Danilson's US in the seventh grade. But I see a lot of the same things that in Joe in terms of UM, just the off the charts intelligence and off the charts confidence. Just smarter than them, understands more football than most of the guys their age or in some cases all the guys UM, and it's just more confident than everybody else their age. UM. Physically, there's a lot of comparisons there too, UM. But also just the story going from one big time program to another, where the talent and all these other things just aligned the system that he's gonna run. He was gonna thrive last year in Graham Harrold's system at usc um that the running shoes spread all that he was gonna thrive before he tore his A c L. But if he gets a chance in in uh In Monkins coach Monkins offensive Georgia, you know, if they play this year, that's a that's a far more complex system which totally suits him. When you talk about George Pickens is the probably the best receiver in the country. Um, you know at Georgia, and he's at Georgia, so they obviously have running backs there. They kind of just always have somebody going in the first two rounds. Um. But you start looking at this on paper and you go, this is starting to look like Joe Burrow at L s U. And I'm not sitting here saying break break Joe's records and do what Joe did. But that's sort of where did this guy come from. That's that's definitely what I see as being potential in Georgia with j T. Daniels and this is like an NFL skill set to that he brings this. Yes, yeah, people don't realize this guy too. So this guy was he was really the number one recruit in the country. But he he was Gatorade Player of the Year is sophomore year. He started at Modern Day on varsity UM as a freshman, which you go, oh, don't know by the people who don't know Modern Day, Like, how would you describe it, Geordan, You're from out there, so you can. Freshman year. His freshman year, he broke all of Matt Markley and Matt Leinert's records that they sat their senior year and they were the top recruits in the country and so um. And you know, sophomore year's Gatorade Player of the Year, and then his junior year he's National Gatorade Athlete of the Year. Then he skips his entire senior year. He was not an early in rollie. He literally went to high school for three years, enrolled early, played as a true freshman, replaced Sam Donald and so and they went five and seven, and he owns the fact that they went five and seven to go to a bowl game, but they had a lot of issues going on and they got a true freshman kid. The way that he played at the end of the year was leading into a big, huge sophomore year and this past season at USC, he he wins the job. And you know, as bright bright future ahead of him and tears his A c L trying to extend the play. And then he sits there and watch his Keaton slowis played really well and take over the you know, the team, and they're you know, chanting Slowis at the end of the games. And so just what a young man when you watch Wait a second, this is supposed to be me right now, and it's him and keeping have a great relationship. But when you watch that happen and you go, wait a second, and this thing was taken from you, and then you get to go to a program that is a huge upgrade at A and a lot of levels um and the conference is obviously an upgrade, and the hunger and stuff still there, and he's healthy. Now I just I look at this and I go, man, this is gosh. This is really similar to what I saw with Joe. And it's sort of like in a way, like it's like what you were explaining with Fields and Lawrence too, and that like he's I mean, it sounds like the way you kind of describe them. The spotlight has always been on him, and he's always had people kind of like around him, like waiting to see if like you in your words if he stinks right, like, so, he's probably had that same thing that you were talking about, what Fields and Lawrence. Just as far as being used to being in these sorts of environments, well he's so he's Yes, he's had that, but he's also had something that the other guys don't have. And this is not too my own horn, this is just being around me. He has been around everybody that I've been training. He lives down the street for me. He's been around all of these guys for years. I had some old pictures the other day. I had a Camp a QB summit camp years ago and it was going into his junior year. Jared Goff, Christian Hackenburg, Sam Donald reporting as a freshman, Jared Stidham at Texas Tech, Kyle Allen at A and M. Both those guys the first schools they went to. Deshaun Watson coming off of an A C L injury. If this true freshman year, Josh Dobbs and little eighth grade JT Daniels. He's literally been around this. When I was doing draft training with Deshaun Watson, j T would swing by and sit in the back of the room all the time. So He's also like, so this was a cool story. He wins Gatorade National Athlete of the Year in Gatorade, who's one of Deshaun Watson's sponsors at the time. They have they have Deshaun recorded video announcing the high school player athlete of the Year. And you think that high school kid would go, oh my gosh, Deshaun Watson and Sean the video is great. He goes when I'm so stoked or so, you know whatever, excited to give this to my boy j T Like little didn't Gatorade know that? Like they've thrown twenty times together. Yeah, like that actually is his boy. He's not just saying that totally. So there's a kid who also like, yes, he's had that target on his back that I mentioned a lot of these big time recruits have. That's really valuable. But he's also just been around all my college and NFL guys since he was in middle school. Okay, last thing, is there is there anyone else under the radar that you just sort of have your eye on quarterback wise, say there is a college season, if there is a college season, anyone else that you kind of like you're just sort of intrigued by Yeah, I'm super interested in Shane Michelle. Um. He was at Texas, he ended up at s m U, had a great year last year. He's a smaller guy, so a lot of people are gonna keep him under the radar because of his like physical attributes. But in the draft processes when people get to know people, and I know this guy, like the lineage he comes from. He's got his dad and his uncles and all these guys played Major League Baseball forever. He's been around it, crazy competitors, super confident, um and uh, and I know that he can spin it. And there's guys his size playing well on Sundays. So he's a guy that no one talks about from a draft perspective that I think, actually he's going to be a great NFL player. Okay, So everybody out there and keep an eye on JT. Daniels and Shane Bouchell in addition to justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, and Trey Lance. I also understand Jordan, you've been working on some things with QB Summits, so I wanted to give you a chance to take it away and kind of explain what you're going to be doing the rest of the week. Yeah, I mean well, I mean COVID was was I canceled. Basically, I was gonna have twelve camps around the country. I was actually supposed to be leaving tomorrow for Germany. I was set to go three weeks and um, run some some in internationals, some camps over in Germany and uh. And so what COVID allowed me to do is um focusing on how I can reach more guys and help guys. And so I'm getting ready to launch this week. UM, uh give me something digital platforms. So it's gonna be a membership based program and it's uh, it's basically everything I got. It's physically, mentally, emotionally, there's content in there. We're gonna be doing weekly zooms, um, all kinds of NFL guests, but also going breaking down tape and UM and really just meeting guys where they're at and from middle school to high school guys. This is gonna be a tremendous resource, not just COVID wise, but particularly now with no football. I'm a big believer if your season or your son's season got canceled or postponed, I don't I don't look at it like that. I look at it like the off season got extended, and so what are you gonna do to take advantage of it? And um so keep me something dot com this week will be launching and um on on Instagram. I'm not being on Twitter, but on Instagram at Jordan Palmer and I keep be some of the best ways to find out all that information. Do you know what I want to slide in? One last one now that I thought of it, because just when you were talking, I popped in my head all the guys you work with and everything else, how do you think Jared's how do you think Jared approaches the competition with Cam in New England? Just because you work with him and everything else, I figured you have probably a pretty good insight into his mindset here. Well, I think and this is for sure that the stance that I take on anybody in the competition. But you have to you have to keep it about you, you have to work, you have to do. What Jared needs to do is executings played to the best of its ability. I go to the like distribute the ball to the right place. When you start worrying about what other guys are doing, um is you know, is when you get in trouble. And I always talk about there's two buckets, what you can control and what you can't control. And the more time that you spend thinking and worrying, stressing about the bucket of stuff that you cannot control, like injuries, like your coaches, like if your old line stinks, like or like if there's a competition and this is there and the guys in the locker roomber saying this about him. Those are things you can't control. And so with Jared, I think he's done an amazing job his last few years transferring school, sitting behind Brady, of learning how to just focus on the bucket of stuff that he can control. So right now, I think he handles it great because I think he's gonna be locked in on how he can improve and when he has the ball in his hands and he makes sure he distributes it to the right person. And usually if you do that, you're a hard guy to take off the field. Whether that's week one, whether that's during this season, whether that's in a different place, um, all things you can't control. So with Jared, I think he's gonna be locked in on on maximizing his opportunities and we'll see what happens with him. Okay, that's Jordan Palmer. He gave you the Instagram with regret dress at Jordan Palmer is the Instagram. Yeah, okay, and he is on Twitter by the way too. It's at j W. Palms that I think I have that right. Although you're not on Twitter as much, so not as much. Be sure to check him out there. Check out his new QB Summit project. That sounds awesome too. Should be really great for for some young for some younger kids as well. Jordan always appreciate you coming out. Thanks Lotman. All right, thanks again to Jordan. He's always excellent. You guys a good look at what draft class is gonna look like. You know. Obviously, the events of today change the complexion of all of that, and we'll be covering that at the website on the podcast over the next couple of weeks for sure. For now, I want to jump int all of your questions. You guys know how this works. Every week I put the call for questions out on Twitter. I picked six If I picked yours, you get in the six pack. You also get a light there on social media. That means I hit that little heart there question number one from John W. Chrys Sarah at Chris Sarah W. He asked as your desire for the season to be canceled increased day over day, John, I think if you saw my reaction to social media on social media to the Big ten canceling It's season, UM, which I may have been not the most mature reaction, I think you probably get where I'm coming from here. I don't want football canceled. I don't want the NFL canceled. I don't want college football canceled. I don't want high school football canceled. I don't want any of it canceled. If that's what it comes to, UM, because that's where we are in our country, that's what the doctors say needs to happen, then you know it's not because I wanted football to go away. I hope everybody understands that. I hope everybody can like hear my voice how much I love football. It's been my favorite sports since before I can remember. I grew up watching Big ten football in the NFL, and now one of those has been ripped away from me. So no, I do not hope that the season gets canceled. I want the NFL to work. I want there to be football in the fall, and I hope everybody is doing their part to make that happen. Question number two from Sean Catalano. That's at Sean Catalano one. What are the chances of the Browns become the sleeper team this season and make a serious playoff front Sean, I think the division is gonna make that tough. UM. I think the Steelers are gonna be really good. The Ravens are what they are, and you know, I don't know if they'll get to fourteen and two again, and that's still an eleven twelve one team, and the Bengals could be a tougher route than you might think. But I do think the bet the Browns are gonna be competitive and I could see them getting to eight and eight or so. I think Baker Mayfield's gonna take a step forward working with Kevin Stefanski and Alex van Pelt. Obviously, you know, if Landry and Beckham can stay healthy, He's got good receivers, He's got a good crew tight ends with Austin Hooper joining David Joku. The tackle situation I think is key. It's gotten a lot better UM signing Jack Conklin and then drafting Geddrick wills Um. They've got one of the best running backs in the league and Nick Chubb, and they've got some talent on defense too, so I think they're gonna be better. I think one of the keys for all the first year coaches and Kevin Stefanski in this group is in this group being creative, being simple, making getting up, getting the players in a position to play fast. And I think if you look back at two thousand eleven are best camp for this two th eleven lockout. The two teams that were most successful in that first year coaches were the Broncos who advanced around in the playoffs, and that's Niners who went to the NFC Championship game. Those two coaches, with those two first year coaches is John Fox basically ran a college offense for Tim Tebow. He was creative, He threw the through something at the NFL it wasn't really necessarily ready for. And Jim Harby used a lot of the tenants of what he'd use at Stanford when he's dealing with all the different things in the college game at the NFL level, So it helped him deal with the lack of time, deal with the different circumstances all of that. So I think it's gonna take some level of creativity and ingenuity, uh with the circumstances for first year coaches to get there. Keevins Stefanski's a really bright guy. We'll see if he can get it done. Question number three from John Thrasher. That's at Thrasher. Why does the NFL consistently list what college someone play at? See the COVID nineteen list you post regularly. Good question, John, I get this question a lot. The reason why is because there are players who have the same name and say it's a John Smith or a Matt Johnson or whatever, a common name. That's a way of differentiating one guy from the next. And so it's just an easy way for the NFL when they're putting that wire out, which is an internal wire that goes to the teams, so the teams immediately know what they're looking at when they get that list. Question number four, um, This is from Nate Ashbocker. That's at nash Boker. Which are the teams being most hyped this season will fail to reach expect anywhere near their fans expectations? You know, it's a good question, and I the one team that I think you have to put on your radar a little bit. UM would be, like, I look at Tampa, I think Tom Brady is gonna be really good. You know they are, there are some moving parts in their offensive line or they're starting Tristan Worth's. The defense got a lot better at the end of last year, but there were some lightning in a bottle situations there Shack Barrett, and they play in a tough division with Atlanta and New Orleans. Carolina will see I think they're in a rebuilding phase. But you know, Tampa is the one where you look at them and it's like they're all in for right now, but there are a lot of variables at play as well. So that'd be the one that I would sort of just keep an eye on. I think they're gonna be really I look, I picked them to win ten games right now. And as much as this stuff is covered, you know, I think it's hard to find a team that really like you look at and say they're expectations are way beyond everybody else's. That's just sort of the way that the league works now. But um, I would say Tampa would be the one that I would give you. Um, right there, question number five from not who you think I am that's at don ridden now or uh rookie of the year in this crazy year, I don I'm gonna give you Joe Burrow. And the reason why the bar for quarterbacks to one rookie of the Year is a little lower. You just have to be good. You don't need to be great. And so I think Joe Burrow is walking into a situation where, you know, it's been sort of acknowledged that he's gonna be the starting quarterback since he was drafted. Everything in the spring they've done on the Bengals have done has been getting ready to play. And his supporting asked if Jonah Williams works at left tackle, won't be that bad. It's going to a j Green Tyler boy. They drafted t Higgins. Um, you got Drew Sample, a good young tight end, you got Joe mixing behind you with Geo Bernard's sort of the Swiss army knife of a back. I sort of like Joe Burrow as a guy who can get there and get the Bengals in a position where the competitive again, which I think would be enough to win him um Rookie of the Year question number six and this is from Mike Welsh. This is p MP Welsh. What are the odds of the Power five conferences playing this fall and what would be the fallout on drafting if they don't. I will say this, by the time you listen to this, the Big twelve may have gone down. The Big twelve goes down, I think it's become very, very difficult because the PAC twelve tied itself to the Big Ten. If you read, my colleagues Pat Forty and Ross Allen Drew have done a great job to this whole thing. The a CEC sort of tied itself to the Big twelve. If those two go down, just SEC just have its own season. I don't know. I mean, I think it's to me. I just like I that that's a that's that's tough, too tough to see. Appreciate you guys coming out. 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