The Gun Runner [8]

Published Feb 21, 2022, 8:01 AM

Texas woman Glenda Grabow tells Bill Pepper she knew a gun runner in Houston named Raul, who she thinks was involved in the murder of Martin Luther King. Could this be the same Raul known by James Earl Ray?

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Welcome to the MLK Tapes, a production of I Heart Radio and Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the podcast author for individuals participating in the podcast, and do not represent those of I Heart Media, Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. Listener discretion is advised. After several hours of questioning and cross examining, Ray told him that there was no such person as Raoul, and he knew there was no such person as Raoul. He admitted that and told me that he had to invent in vent Rayoul, because that's fuck Hughie wanted. He suggested something that implied that I had more acuity than Bradford, Huey and Hayes. I asked him how you happened to pick the name Raoul, and he said that was the name of a operator of a party house that he had held up, and he admitted there was no Raoul. He laughed at Haines and Hewish, having accepted Rayoul's story. That was Percy Foreman, former attorney for James Arl Ray, telling the House Select Committee in ninety eight that Ray had told him that the whole story about Raoul, giving him money and moving him about the country was made up, and that Ray had done this because the writer Bradford Huey, who Ray had never met, had wanted him to do it. According to Foreman, the reason that Ray told him this but had never told anyone else, was that he respected Foreman's intelligence, that he knew that Foreman would see through his lie about Raoul, and according to Foreman, they had a good laugh about it. Of course, it may have been Foreman making up the story here, but if it were rely on his part, it was a safe one to tell, because at that time no one had found the mysterious Raoul or even claimed to know of him. I called the Union Hall, I said, a matter of life and death. I said, I think these people are planning to kill Dr King. The authorities were parade. Oh, we found a gun that James ol Ray bought in Birmingham that killed Dr King. Except it wasn't the gun that killed Dr King. James Lvey was upon for the official story from My Heart Radio, intended for TV. The plan was to get King to the city because they wanted it handled in Memphis for dead in them could hand it. And I've lived with it so long. My Sirion, and they they scared for me. The Lord told me to not the word. I've been wanting to tell it all my life. I'm Bill Claiburg and this is d MLK tapes. As we heard in previous episodes, James Earl Ray escaped from prison in nineteen sixty seven and a year later found himself in Memphis on the day King was killed. After he had been captured, he told his attorneys and anyone else who would listen that he had met a man in Canada named Raoul who had moved him about the country and gave him money in exchange for odd chores. But while most details in race story proved to be true, for example, the restaurant where he worked, or the woman with whom he had a brief affair, no one was able to find Raoul, not a big surprise because Ray never knew Raoul's last name, where he lived, or even for Raoul was his real first name, and Raoul most likely didn't want to be found. The official explanation for how Ray financed his travels, and the one embraced by the House Committee, was that instead of getting money from the fictional Raoul, Ray robbed a bank or two, and that if he had any help, it came from his brothers John and Jerry. So for twenty five years, no one had come up with a good lead as to who them his serious Raoul might be, if he had existed at all. But then after seeing the trial on television, Roy and Glenna Grabo contacted John Billings and Ken Herman, who were investigators working with Bill Pepper and producer Jack Saltman on the HBO trial. We met with a blended Grabow and rom. She first said, I mean they they're almost Their openly statement was we know the ray, but we don't know it's the Rays. And we listened to her story about her early life in Houston, Texas and the stories and her meeting and this mysterious Rayoul, and and after it was over, when they left, I was convinced that she was a government plan. That's my disposity is that this is incredible story and it's just government. They've sent somebody here to discredit us with the story. And if we're gonna go chasing this Roman in depart because we're telling over kids saslation sounds very scared. After hearing Glenda's story, Herman and Billings brought it to Jack Saltman, with whom they had begun work on a proposed movie that would be about the murder of Dr. King. Saltman also found Glenda's story hard to believe, as he explained at the civil trial. She claimed that her friendship would Raoul, had all taken place at you still, and his story was so extraordinary that when I first heard it, I had to say that I was profoundly scared. But yes, we did go to Houston. Um. There was only parts of the story that I could get corroberational. As a parts of the story that I could corroborate. We're all corroborated bits of the story. You turned out to the address, and he leads you to then more credibility to the rest of the story. So she gained an increduence. Can I ask if they say one of this lady, a very uneducated lady. She left to watch she was very young. She had a reminous life of abuse when she was young. By the time Bill Pepper had sat down with Glenda, thirty five years had passed since she was first abused by members of her family, but it was still a hard story for her to tell. According to her husband Roy, the abuse of Glenda, much of its sexual began when she was eleven or twelve. When things became intolerable at home, Glenda went to live with her aunt and uncle, but things there became even worse. Late at night, Glenda's uncle would come into her room. What's that is not? My aunt knew that, but she didn't neventhing about it. And I would babysit for kids, never night that never want unique food, I'd say, the kids and and everything cleaned the table off and made me throw at the trash. I meant nothing to It's hard to understand the withholding of food from a niece who was living with them. Perhaps the aunt allowed herself to believe that Glenda was somehow responsible for her husband's criminal conduct, and withholding food was revenge or an attempt to drive the girl away. Whatever it was, Glenda at age fourteen was in a horrific situation. But after school she would walk past a particular gas station and there would usually be this man just hanging around every day, and he would be easy to be sitting out over here drinking a coach or something. Instead giving the tighter chips since step keep me going anyway. Conversation and potato chips were a big draw for Glenda, and she got to know this fellow who was called Dago. She thought he was about thirty. He had dark hair and spoke with something like a Spanish accent, and he could never pronounce her name. He called her, oh, Linda. Glenda never saw Dago pump gas at the station, but he always seemed to be there. Someone else who encountered Dago was Glenn, his little brother Royce. Here is what Royce remembers about Daego, as portrayed by a voice actor. There was a small gas station by a store my sister and I would walk to, and he would see us go by, and he would get in his car and follow us. He used to follow my sister and I around, you know, in his car. He was kind of a dark complexed guy. I guess he talked Spanish or some other you know. That's why he kind of stood out to me, and and I was kind of scared of him. But Glenda never had an unkind thing to say about Daego during this time. At least, she regarded him as a friend and saw him frequently that first year, But the next year, when Glenda was fifteen, she escaped her home life by marrying Roy Grabo. It wasn't a great trade. Roy was in prison a lot of the time, and when he was out he often didn't come home at night. Here going forward are Roy and Glenda Grabo, as portrayed by voice actors. I just got to drinking. I wasn't holding the job too long, but she pretty well went where she wanted to go. I mean, I was doing what I wanted to do. I guess I did. Anyway, I stayed drunk pretty good. Glenda and Roy moved around a bit, but since Roy was hardly there and not bringing money home, Glenda, as Roy just said, went where she wanted to go. She found some men who would pay for her attentions, and that's how she kept her boat afloat. There was one older man, maybe fifty five or sixty, who was particularly fond of Glenda. This name was Tomorrow, though Glenda and others called him Armando. He would look out for her in small ways, and in return, she became his driver. Where would they go down to the Houston Docks? What would they get there? Stolen guns? And Roy Grabo apparently knew and approved of Armando. He get her a run down to the waterfront and carry boxes. They'd have boxes coming off the ship or going on the ship, some of the trunk and some of the back. There'll be certain ones of them, you know, a certain guard on the game. I have a picture of the guard, a good one. You can see that. Make sure that certain guard was there, and they could drive right through. Producer Jack Saltman, who was investigating Glenda's story, described the arrangement this way. Well, this is Grever told me that she had actually as a driver for a morrow, and that she had driven down to the dark Side in Eastern and she did profriended us of the garden James and only certain guards wrong duty. Did she then drive in the bottom of the game of a certain busy David ship. There were wooden boxes which she certainly be discovered contained the several cousins. According to Glinda, the boxes of guns would be brought to a rundown house in South Houston, where they would be assembled. The house belonged to a man named Felix Torino. They take the over to Felix's and I'd go sit in the living room or else I'll go in the kitchen Felix. Felix was always cooking. A bunch of them would sit around and put them together. They would snap them this and that. This was around nineteen seventy five, and it was during this time that Glenda arrived at the house with Armando to find Dago, who she had only seen now and then in the intervening years. He was sitting there with the rest of the crew and acting like he was in charge. A bigger surprise was that Armando turned out to be Dago's uncle, and Daego's real name was Raoul. Glenda's connection with the group continued to be Armando. He told Glenda that he and Raoul had come from Portugal, which explained the accent that sounded Spanish. Then, while driving around with her one day, Armando told Glenda that Raoul had been involved in the killing of Martin Luther King. This is Bill Pepper talking to Glenda in Was it Armando that first told you that he was involved, that Raoul was involved in the in the King case? A minded tell me that I couldn't believe it, You know, hadly what did Armando actually say to you? Do you recall the Fando tell me in a business of daylis with ye together sure bits and pieces that you were starting to put together with leading you to believe what that he had involvement or that he was the actual killer. He was. He admitted it later that he was killing. He was trying to keep it from me what it was. He got a man the mind of visit any mind of tewl made. Glenda kept her car keys on a ring that also had a miniature viewfinder which displayed three portraits John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, and Martin Luther King. One day, Armando and Glenda arrived at to Reno's house and the usual suspects were sitting around the table playing cards. This is Glenda's and Roy's account of what happened next, as portrayed by voice actors. Well, just me and Armando came in, and I had the viewfinder with me, had the car keys hooked into it, and threw him a purse and the keys on the table, and one of them looked at it, and he threw it over to him. Yeah, and then he looked through it and jumped backwards and the chair hit the floor and he started stomping on the ground. Uh, just keep going they're gonna be okay. Tell him, oh, I don't cuss or nothing. Well, don't worry about it, just say s O P or whatever. He just said, I killed that s O B once, Do I have to do it again? I never understood him saying it that way, but that's the way they talked. The boy that he had a fight with was a karate expert and they got in a fight inside a bar over a topless dancer. My brother kind of had a girlfriend that was a topless dancer. At shy In Social Club in night, Roy Grabow's younger brother got into a scrape. It involved alcohol, guns and a girl. They had a fight inside and the boy knew karate and all that stuff. Well, a friend of my brothers had a gun. He gave my brother a gun and my brother ran him out. They broke the fight up inside. The owner of the club he broke it up and run that boy off. That boy stayed outside. About an hour later, my brother went out and he had something in his hand. They didn't know if it was a gun or what, but they said he had a gun. Anyway, this other boy gave my brother back the gun and my brother shot him dead and they got him for murder and they gave him eighty years. Roy and Glenda both felt that Royce brother had gotten a raw deal and they decided to do what they could. This was still in seventy eight and they were living in Houston and had heard that when it came to fighting a murder charge, Percy Foreman, who was also in Houston, was the best there was. So they called Foreman and asked if he would handle the appeal. Here is Roy and Glenda. I called Percy Foreman and he said he would handle it for five thousand dollars, and he wants that five thousand dollars right there before I leave, a look at you. Roy and Glenda didn't have five thousand dollars, so they put a mortgage on their house, and when they gave him the money, Percy Foreman did look at Roy and Glenda, but mostly at Glenda. Had a subsequent meeting, Foreman started to pester her, asking Glenda if she would like to work for him. I went up there, but he got mad, sort of because I wanted to paint houses, or he wanted me to stay right there. He was going to move his office or something. He wanted me to get past the secretary and out of the office or something while they made their move when I don't understand what he was talking about them. By the time producer Jack Saltman got down to Texas and was looking in the Glendas story, Percy Foreman had died, but Michael Degaron, Foreman's partner the law firm, was still there. So Saltman took a shot and asked to Garon if he had any recollection at all of Glenda Grebo. Turns out he did. As Jack Saltman describes, Mrs Grebo had said that she had told me as part of her statement that her husband Roy his brother, was on a birdy charge and that she had been termed with Percy Thornan was the topman in the business that had gone along to see it. She said that he had said he would charge her five thousand dollars, but that she would give her three thousand dollars back if she went to work for them. She said, I paid houses. What is that going to be? What us is that going to be? Fro an attorney, He said, what I want you to be? Some fire um. I gathered the fighting was of the more sexual nature, and this was Acknoledge fires instead Garren and that that's really what she was asked to do. She ever got the money. So, according to Foreman's partner Michael Degaron, Glenda did work of some kind for Foreman, but she never got the money she was promised. As we have seen before, not honoring his promises was Foreman's standard way of doing business. But he did give Glenda one thing. Mrs Grebo gave me. It was a Cartrooto bestI Foreman, and he had inscribed to her in his own handwriting. Saltman called it a cartoon, but what he meant to say was that it was a reproduction of a somewhat flattering line drawing a Foreman on which he had written to Glenda, best wishes, Percy Foreman, You're invited to check it out on our website. Michael Garrett Hardy confirmed that that was posie of handwriting, and then he was exactly the sort of thing that he did. So Glenda Grebo ended up spending time around Foreman's office, mostly cleaning and doing make work filing jobs. Bill Pepper would ask Glenda if Foreman ever mentioned ray or the King case, But we didn't even know it was his lawyer. We had no idea. We'd seen things in his office, you know, little things that were about Ray, and we didn't pay much attention to it, and I didn't know he was raised lawyer. But at some point when they were alone, Foreman felt a need to tell Glenda what an important man he was. He told her that he was the lawyer and the king case, the lawyer for the infamous James Earl Ray. Then he said something else, something about that all white people is going to thank Ray someday for being sacrificed, for being the sacrifice for us. Pepper then asked Glenda what Foreman said about Ray, something about his brother sold him up the river, or something like, I don't understand we're talking about, but I remember that part. Until this point, Glenda is the Foreman a plaything of no consequence because he doesn't know what she knows about Raoul and what Raoul said he did and what his uncle Morrow said he did. But then Glenda makes a mistake. She thinks, because Foreman is a lawyer and already involved in the case, an educated man up presumed the good character that he is someone she can talk to. I figured, well, I found somebody that knows something about this. I'm going to tell him about it, you know. But I went to the wrong person. I think. Glenda then told Percy Foreman about how she knew Raoul and how she thought he had been involved. I thought I was talking to somebody, you know, somebody with authority, just talk about it. I had no idea he was this liar. I didn't know what was going on or nothing. I just just didn't know where to turn. So Glinda tells Foreman about Raoul. Foreman is surprised and deeply disturbed. Just a few months before, he testified before the House Select Committee and been caught in a number of outright lies about how he entered the case and what he did and didn't do for Ray, about hiring loss students to do investigative work and lying under oath to a congressional committee could have cost him his license, but since Foreman was on the Ray did It Alone team, he got off with only a scolding, and nobody challenged him about his dubious story about Ray telling him and only him that Raoul was a made up guy. But now suddenly Foreman had working in his very office a woman who might blow his whole world apart, and this is where the story gets really weird, because Percy Foreman, former attorney for James ol Ray, appears to know the elusive Raoul. As Jack Saltman describes the situation when she told Raoul cooking to his story, when she told Raoul that she was working to Percy Foreman, he apparently lost his temper and there was curious word between him and pressing forward. Foreman then allegedly ranging up and so your life is in danger. There are no witnesses to this conversation, but apparently the two men exchanged heated words on the phone. Raoul, we might guess, is furious that Foreman has for his own pleasure taking Glenda on as part time office help, and Foreman most likely is angry that Raoul and his friends have told Glenda thinks that she should not know. The danger for each man is real and it can be measured in words, because the next time Foreman sees Glenda, he tells her that she must leave town or be killed because of what she knows. Maybe by telling her this he was just trying to save her life. More likely, he has his own interests in mind. Perhaps he fears a violent encounter between Roy and Raoul, or a botched murder attempt that drives Glenda to the police, better to just have her leave if he can get her to go. You got to get out of town or something. And then he said, he talked to Raoul, but I don't know if he came up there, talked to him on the phone or what. He kind of sort of threatened me. He sort of put it like, he gotta get out of town or you ain't even gonna here. From what Glenda could understand, Percy Foreman and Raoul seemed to know each other. Foreman was a criminal defense attorney. He might have represented Raoul or some of his cohorts when they got into trouble, because defending criminals is what Foreman did for a living. Knowing his way around and being on friendly speaking turns with local hoodlums was good business. Did Foreman know of Raoul before the King murder? That would be utterly outrageous, but he may have. He certainly seemed to know him or know of him after the murder. In any case, Glenda and Roy took the thread at face value and moved as fast as they could. But there was a house to sell. So it didn't happen right away. One day, Glenda was alone in her car. I just come back from Cols and I hit the freeway. The wheel come off, and the semi truck was right on my tail. I've looked in my rearview mirror. I said, oh God, here I go. I knew I was dead rat. Then it just served out of the way, just in time. Pepper then asked if they thought that someone had loosened the lux and there was no doubt at all in Roy Grabo's mind. It had to be. It had to be. Roy and Glenda Grabo moved from Texas to Mississippi sometime in nineteen nine, and they never heard from Percy Foreman again. But then they saw something on TV. It was called the Trial of James Earl. Ray King met with Glenda and Loriy Bravo and listened to with Glenda and say, uh, Paul hearing her safe when he got into wonder, I founded. I didn't necessarily believe. I thought this was to do too incredible. We were back with John Billings, as he describes meeting Glenda and Roy Graybow because we were going to follow this story down another road. Billings fellow investigator Ken Herman and TV producer Jack Saltman, all Harvard big doubts about Glenda's story, but they decided to look into it. But where is start? We didn't know quite you to talk to. So what we did was, I have handsome contacts in Miami, New York. I've met a number of people who quiney influential what I'm saying in underworld or call and I had called back, call them the real help. And they contacted a a bind coming called Las Vegas Bond Comty in Houston. It was ran a large black female was about six ft two and captain machine gun art as interesting. Herman and Saltman flew to Houston and paid a visit to the Las Vegas Bond comp and the black woman with the machine gun. They told her who they were looking for, but she said that she had never heard of this guy, Raoul, but she offered the names of two people who might have One was a retired state judge and the other owned a string of movie theaters. So Herman and Saltman found the judge and sat down with him. He said he never met Raoul, but he had heard of a guy by that name who had a gun running operation on the Houston Docks. Not a lot to go on, but it was something. Then there was the theater guy. They found him and he said right away that he knew Glenda. Here's billings. They asked him if he had any pictures a ring laugh, he said, I've got lots of pictures of Blen. He said, I keeping under my band, and he went produced some young pictures, not sque to pictures from very young pictures for a plum, very trashic girl and talked about he's in canters. Whether ye know she didn't, yes. He verified what she was saying about running in this group of gun runners and serious people and using the theaters, and then and again story ending up, but no one they talked to new Raoul's last name Tomorrow. Raoul's uncle spent much more time with Glenda and Roy, and no one knew his last name either, But he had led on that he was a former seaman and he had some sort of maritime card and occasionally received payments of some kind. So Herman and Saltman paid a visit to the offices of the Maritime Union. They presented an unusual first name and wondered if someone will look through the files to see if there was a person in the Union with that name. Usually the answer would have been no, they don't give out this kind of information. But Saltman said that it was a matter of utmost importance. They were making a movie. Jack kind of bossed them into wod out as BBC predictions and we're making a movie, and they gave him the informations that we had. We had the name with the real last name, and the help of a Memphis police sergeant, the team came to possess a copy of Raoul Quelo's naturalization record. It said that Kuelo was born in July of nineteen thirty four and that he had first come to the United States in nineteen sixty one. He was naturalized in nineteen sixty seven. Saltman was elated what we had also discovered that the same Rowl that we had met, and we see his naturalization papers. Among his papers of his application, we knew that he had been working in alongment factory Importugal Invisibeth, Capital, Portugal, prior to see in the American naturalization and I believe there was an EMBI note on the papers that suggested he was known that he had been seting assembled guns out of Portugal at this time. But then the big prize, Well, we obtend a photograph that I believe was one on his naturalization papers, so that would have been uto um having O taking the immigration photograph. What we then did was we've got five of the similar type graphs. We made a spread of six phetographs, which was a sort of thing to recent situation. So once they had the official photo of Raoul Kaelo, Saltman thought to construct a six photo lineup or display using photos of men of similar age, and to use that display to see who else might recognize this man and what person more important to show it to than James Earl Ray. And as John Buildings explains, he was visiting Ray quite often at that time. We discussed shot and UH excided when he had let see So we went to a r head in prison and never James and said tame on in granto James, and I told her he had a picture photo and he seems so surprised, and I asked him he would I attempt to pick out whole in his photo spread. He said that he would, so we put this before you know, James put on his glasses and Benner two. She studied the picture very careful, and as he studied and he looked down at him and he just kind of dropped his finger down said that's bottle And he said you possibly just He said, yes, I am. And then Ray said something unexpected. He said, I've seen this picture before, and I have seen this, so we mean you've seen this picture before, you know, I think Hoppy can see this because and he said that during the Blue Quote House assassinations to me that someone had mailed him in no return addressed picture and it was this picture and it had a name on the backup and he could remember the Lane. And I asked him, We asked him he did anyone ever about this? He said no, no one could have Benifiest, that can anybody else? Or see said all my attorney, uh say Lee label first and we also are working in his behalf and seen it. After Billings reported what Ray had said, Saltman set up a meeting with April Ferguson, who, along with Mark Lane, had represented James ol Ray during the House Committee hearings. He left the photo out on a table with other material, but when Ferguson passed by she stopped and picked it up. She picked the photo draft out and said, I saw the photograph. I was absolutely a fault because he was a direct actor to get the photograph intress. Because it wasn't just anywhere, this was very specificity. And I said what happened and she said, well, there wasn't name grit of the back of the checked that out and he turned out to be a placement to the Phone group. And I said, when did you intersue pedograph at all? She'd be cham pangra Hi. I think the house investigators who were looking into the house as susinations committee. The investigation was going on at that time, and she said she was shown the pedograph him one of the investigators. They haven't talk you to the office. And I said did you pursue it? And she said that top. We have no money in packing us at all. Everybody offulys notices to pay and we just did not have the money to hire five investigators to go checking. So now, with all the information now discovered about Raoul Kawelo, it was easy enough to trace the man or someone using that identity to a home in Yonkers, New York. But was the man living there with his wife and daughter the same raoul who came over from Portugal in nineteen sixty one. Was he the Dago that Glenda had known? Was he the raoul that Percy Foreman seemed to know? And most of all, was he the raoul who led James ol Ray into Memphis. There were a few attempts to answer these questions. One was simply to knock on his door and talk to the man. This is Jack Saltman. Some months later I went around to his house in New York City, and not on the door. M the door, if I can explain, was there was a gos iron grill type door, and then there was a sort of mesh class doors mention oject. They can obviously see how we liked to see the sort of dark interior of the house with shapes that It was apparently the wife who first came to the door, but she didn't open it. Instead, she threw at Saltman what he was pretty sure were curses in Portuguese. She was then replaced by someone he assumed was the daughter. She's spoken perfect English and asked him what he wanted and what he please go away. Saltman said that he was an English journalist, and that he had heard certain allegations made about her father and he wanted to sit down with him and talk. She replied her father was indisposed. Then I said, would you help look at this photograph? In confirms to all worstless effect that the photographs her father. And she said something to the effect that anybody could get nationalization photograph, and if I could get that, then I could get all the other answers to what I was chasing anywhere and not something to that change. She'd been no noble for that she had positively identified. I didn't show the spread. I showed an enloyement of that favor. Actually, you just showed her single vote. Yes, there's no want to ask for it because of father, because I never believe that was her father. So Saltman left Raoul's house believing he had gotten a positive idea from Raoul's daughter by way of the photo he had shown her through the door. Not exactly conclusive, but Saltman had another idea. He gave Glenda Grabow Raoul's phone number and asked her to call him. She did, and, according to phone records, she had a conversation of several minutes with Raoul. According to Glenda, Raoul seemed happy enough to hear from her, as though nothing bad had ever happened between them. Roy Grabow was present during this phone call, and he testified at the civil trial that from what he heard, Glenda was speaking to someone she knew and who knew her. But when Glenda described the conversation to Bill Pepper, he wanted to know one thing. How did Raoul on the telephone pronounce her name? Glenda replied, Golenda, Olenda down down, Tolenda Linda rather than Glendas name. As you may recall, oh Linda was how Dago pronounced Glenda's name in Houston. At this point, it would appear that Pepper was well on his way to establishing that the Yonkers Raoul was the Houston Raoul that both Glenda and Percy Foreman new, and the Raoul who Ray had identified by way of his photo, But how to prove it, how to put it all on record? At that time, Pepper was putting together the civil suit on behalf of credit Scott King and her family, So we decided to subpoena Raoul Kuolo to see if he could get him to testify under oath. But Quelo declined to appear, and he didn't have to because he lived in New York and this was a civil matter in Tennessee. The defenders of the Yonkers Raoul say the whole thing was a case of mistaken identity, and according to his lawyers, Raoul Kuelo had documents which said he was working at a General Motors plant in Tarrytown, New York from nineteen sixty two till nine two. In contrast, Glenda gray Bows story seems moth eaten, filled with holes and sketchy people. But however, sketchy Glenda's story does have a trail, and by following the clues on that trail, Herman and Saltman discover Raoul's last name, his naturalization papers, and then the photo that came with those papers, a photo that Roy and Glenda say is of the Raoul that they knew, And according to John Billings, it's the same photo that James Earl Ray picked out and then said that both he and his lawyer had seen it in and the Kailo family and Yonkers, to my knowledge, has never denied that the photo was genuine. So if the Yonkers Raoul has nothing at all to do with any of this. If it really is a case of mistaken identity, how is this photo floating around at the time of the house hearings in So is the Yonkers raoul the same person as the Houston raoul. Well, there's a good body of evidence that says that he is. But whether he is or not, there is something more important here, something that goes to the very heart of this case. It's the assertion that Percy Foreman knew the Houston raoul and that he told Glenda Grebo that James Earl Ray was just a guy who had to be sacrificed. And more than that, Foreman told her that if she didn't want to be sacrificed herself, she needed to leave town because this raoul had been in on the murder of Martin Luther King and he was dangerous. And Foreman knew all this because he knew the guy. With Percy Foreman, the hits keep coming. Why did he force himself into this case? Who was he really working for? And those questions do have answers. Stay with us and find out what really went down when Martin Luther King was murdered. Next time on the MLK tapes, it really kind of opened my eyes that there was more of a conspiracy than I thought there was. Paul reached inside his jacket and pulled out what looked like a wallet. He flipped it open, and all I could see where the letters FBI. Paul smiled at me and said, don't worry. I'm your friend, not your enemy. He said. Everybody had to make a little money, even cops. I knew we had worked with local cops before, but I had never known of the FEDS being crooked. I got the feeling that there were some investigators who were involved in either the timing, the surveillance, maybe the planning we're talking about, I'm surfacing at the time when the trial was about to take place. They didn't want that civil trial. I have a client who had imparted some information to be that, quite frankly, could prove that James were already did not shoot. Dr King. Thanks for listening to The MLK Tapes, a production of I Heart Radio and tended with TV. This podcast is not specifically endorsed by the King Family or the King of State. The email K Tapes is written and hosted by Bill Claiper, Matt Frederick, and Alex Williams are executive producers on behalf of I Heart Radio with producers Trevor Young and ben Keebrick. Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay are executive producers on behalf of Tenderfoot TV with producers Jamie Albright and Meredith Steadman. Original music by Makeup and Vanity Set. Cover art by Mr Soul to six with photography by Artemis Jenkins. Special thanks to Owen Rosenbaum and Grace Rowyer at U t A, The Nord Group, back Median Marketing, Envisioned Business Management, and Station sixteen. If you have questions, you can visit our website, the email k tapes dot com. We posted photos and videos related to the podcast on our social media accounts. You can check them out at the email k Tapes. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio and Tenderfoot TV, please visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows,

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According to the official story, on April 4th, 1968, a lone gunman assassinated Dr. Martin Luther Ki 
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