Sally and Joni arrive in Lille, France, hoping to uncover long-buried records. But instead of answers, they find closed police stations, sealed archives, and endless red tape. Could one small detail still hold the key?

Sally and Joni arrive in Lille, France, hoping to uncover long-buried records. But instead of answers, they find closed police stations, sealed archives, and endless red tape. Could one small detail still hold the key?

For more than 25 years, Sally Leydon has been waiting for answers about her missing mum, Marion Barter.

In Season 2, Sal steps beyond her own story to speak with other families enduring the same unthinkable reality—the ambiguous loss of a loved one who has vanished without explanation.

These are raw, intimate conversations about hope that refuses to die, grief that never finds closure, and the strength it takes to live in the in-between. 

If you know someone who is dealing with a missing person, and would like to share your story, contact Sally at info@themissingmatter.com

 

For more than 25 years, Sally Leydon has been waiting for answers about her missing mum, Marion Barter.
In Season 2, Sal steps beyond her own story to speak with other families enduring the same unthinkable reality&mdash;the ambiguous loss of a loved one who has vanished without explanation.
These are raw, intimate conversations about hope that refuses to die, grief that never finds closure, and the strength it takes to live in the in-between.&nbsp;
If you know someone who is dealing with a missing person, and would like to share your story, contact Sally at&nbsp;<a href="mailto:info@themissingmatter.com">info@themissingmatter.com</a>
&nbsp;

Just when you thought the story was over, the questions only deepen.  In The Missing Matter: The Next Chapter in the Search for Marion Barter, Sally Leydon and investigative partner Joni Condos team up to reopen the 1997 disappearance of award-winning teacher Marion Barter. Across a global retracing of Marion’s final steps, never-before-heard evidence and interviews with key insiders shed fresh light on cash-trail anomalies, legal briefs, and unanswered questions.

The Missing Matter

Just when you thought the story was over, the questions only deepen. 

In The Missing Matter: The Next Chapter in the Search for Marion Barter, Sally Leydon and investigative partner Joni Condos team up to reopen the 1997 disappearance of award-winning teacher Marion Barter. Across a global retracing of Marion’s final steps, never-before-heard evidence and interviews with key insiders shed fresh light on cash-trail anomalies, legal briefs, and unanswered questions. The ad-free first episode lands on Apple Podcasts on 12 May 2025, with the full series opening up to all listeners two weeks later.

Just when you thought the story was over, the questions only deepen.&nbsp;
In The Missing Matter: The Next Chapter in the Search for Marion Barter, Sally Leydon and investigative partner Joni Condos team up to reopen the 1997 disappearance of award-winning teacher Marion Barter. Across a global retracing of Marion&rsquo;s final steps, never-before-heard evidence and interviews with key insiders shed fresh light on cash-trail anomalies, legal briefs, and unanswered questions. The ad-free first episode lands on Apple Podcasts on 12 May 2025, with the full series opening up to all listeners two weeks later.

The Police Have All Gone Home? Lille

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Former police officer turned investigator Graeme Crowley has spent nearly fifty years chasing justice.

What began as a career in policing eventually evolved into something unexpected, true-crime podcast investigations that challenge official narratives and reopen forgotten cases.

In this episode of The Missing Matter, Sally sits down with Graeme to explore how podcasting has become a powerful tool for uncovering new evidence, questioning flawed investigations, and giving families answers when the system has failed them.

From missing persons to suspicious suicides and wrongful convictions, Graeme explains how pulling apart a brief of evidence can reveal cracks in the story prosecutors once relied on.

He shares how one podcast investigation helped push police to re-examine a suspicious death  ultimately leading to a murder arrest that may never have happened otherwise.

Together, Sally and Graeme discuss:


Why missing person cases often lose urgency within the system


The hidden problems inside coronial investigations


The emotional toll on families waiting decades for answers


How podcasts are changing the landscape of criminal investigations

For Graeme, this work isn’t a job — it’s a lifelong pursuit.

Because sometimes the search for truth doesn’t begin with police.

And sometimes the answers come from the people who refuse to stop asking questions.

Former police officer turned investigator Graeme Crowley has spent nearly fifty years chasing justice.
What began as a career in policing eventually evolved into something unexpected, true-crime podcast investigations that challenge official narratives and reopen forgotten cases.
In this episode of The Missing Matter, Sally sits down with Graeme to explore how podcasting has become a powerful tool for uncovering new evidence, questioning flawed investigations, and giving families answers when the system has failed them.
From missing persons to suspicious suicides and wrongful convictions, Graeme explains how pulling apart a brief of evidence can reveal cracks in the story prosecutors once relied on.
He shares how one podcast investigation helped push police to re-examine a suspicious death&nbsp; ultimately leading to a murder arrest that may never have happened otherwise.
Together, Sally and Graeme discuss:
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The hidden problems inside coronial investigations
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The emotional toll on families waiting decades for answers
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How podcasts are changing the landscape of criminal investigations
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For Graeme, this work isn&rsquo;t a job &mdash; it&rsquo;s a lifelong pursuit.
Because sometimes the search for truth doesn&rsquo;t begin with police.
And sometimes the answers come from the people who refuse to stop asking questions.

The Justice Tragic: Graeme Crowley’s Fight for the Forgotten

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When 23-year-old Leisl Smith left home on the New South Wales Central Coast on August 19, 2012, she told her father she’d be back by five to feed her animals.

She never returned.

In this episode of The Missing Matter, Leisl's mother, Sandi Harvey, shares the story of the quirky, animal-loving young woman who preferred horses and swimming pools to crowded rooms—and the day her life changed forever.

What began as a routine meeting near Tuggerah Railway Station would become the start of a mystery that still haunts her family more than a decade later. Leisl was reported missing days after she vanished, and the investigation that followed would stretch across ten years, uncovering disturbing inconsistencies and ultimately leading police to charge the man they believed responsible.

With the verdict sealed by law and Leisl still missing, Sandi has been left navigating a grief without resolution. Yet her determination to speak, to push for change and to bring Leisl home has never wavered.

Because Leisl matters.

When 23-year-old Leisl Smith left home on the New South Wales Central Coast on August 19, 2012, she told her father she&rsquo;d be back by five to feed her animals.
She never returned.
In this episode of&nbsp;The Missing Matter, Leisl's mother, Sandi Harvey, shares the story of the quirky, animal-loving young woman who preferred horses and swimming pools to crowded rooms&mdash;and the day her life changed forever.
What began as a routine meeting near Tuggerah Railway Station would become the start of a mystery that still haunts her family more than a decade later. Leisl was reported missing days after she vanished, and the investigation that followed would stretch across ten years, uncovering disturbing inconsistencies and ultimately leading police to charge the man they believed responsible.
With the verdict sealed by law and Leisl still missing, Sandi has been left navigating a grief without resolution. Yet her determination to speak, to push for change and to bring Leisl home has never wavered.
Because Leisl matters.

Leisl Matters... 4,925 days missing

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****Content Warning:
This episode contains discussion of human remains being discovered. Listener discretion is advised.

When Anna Jenkins vanished in Penang in December 2017, her family believed authorities would act swiftly. They were wrong.

In Part Two of this gripping conversation, Greg Jenkins takes us deeper into the relentless three-year search that followed his mother’s final phone call. From covering more than 120,000 kilometres across Malaysia to conducting thousands of interviews himself, Greg refused to accept silence as an answer.

But what he eventually uncovered would raise even more disturbing questions.

After an anonymous message led him to a construction site, Greg made a discovery that should have changed everything. Instead, he found himself battling roadblocks, denials and a system he believes prioritised power and profit over truth.

Nearly 3,000 days on, Greg is still fighting.

Because Anna matters...

****Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of human remains being discovered. Listener discretion is advised.
When Anna Jenkins vanished in Penang in December 2017, her family believed authorities would act swiftly. They were wrong.
In Part Two of this gripping conversation, Greg Jenkins takes us deeper into the relentless three-year search that followed his mother&rsquo;s final phone call. From covering more than 120,000 kilometres across Malaysia to conducting thousands of interviews himself, Greg refused to accept silence as an answer.
But what he eventually uncovered would raise even more disturbing questions.
After an anonymous message led him to a construction site, Greg made a discovery that should have changed everything. Instead, he found himself battling roadblocks, denials and a system he believes prioritised power and profit over truth.
Nearly 3,000 days on, Greg is still fighting.
Because Anna matters...

Anna Matters ... 914 days missing - Part 2

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The Police Have All Gone Home? Lille

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