Rutger Bregman knows what appearing at Davos can do for your profile. His reputation was made when he went there in 2019 and attacked the rich. The clip went viral. 

A historian and author originally from the Netherlands, Bregman has been focused on elites ever since, most recently in his book Moral Ambition, and in a series of lectures on the BBC, after which he accused the organization of censoring his views on Donald Trump. 

In this conversation with Mishal Husain, we hear more about his worldview, which is more nuanced than some might expect. He discusses how he is impressed by entrepreneurs, favors action over commentary and is putting his book profits toward building a community that furthers his beliefs.

00:00 - Introducing Rutger Bregman 
02:30 - The rise of AI
07:53 - Wasted talent 
09:22 - I want to pull my hair out
10:05 -  European leadership 
11:14 - Europe is weak 
12:25 - Ideals are worth little without power 
13:45 - Building a movement 
17:40 - Mamdani and populism 
21:00 - The God shaped hole 
25:12 - Elon Musk the entrepreneur
26:08 - The BBC and Trump 
30:49 - A new form of feudalism
33:56 - Small groups can change the world 
35:14 - The best place to think

Watch this podcast here: 
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You can find the written version of this interview with Mishal’s notes on Bloomberg Weekend: https://www.bloomberg.com/latest/weekend-interview

Contact The Mishal Husain Show mishalshow@bloomberg.net

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Rutger Bregman knows what appearing at Davos can do for your profile. His reputation was made when he went there in 2019 and attacked the rich. The clip went viral.&nbsp;
A historian and author originally from the Netherlands, Bregman has been focused on elites ever since, most recently in his book Moral Ambition, and in a series of lectures on the BBC, after which he accused the organization of censoring his views on Donald Trump. In this conversation with Mishal Husain, we hear more about his worldview, which is more nuanced than some might expect. He discusses how he is impressed by entrepreneurs, favors action over commentary and is putting his book profits toward building a community that furthers his beliefs.
00:00 - Introducing Rutger Bregman 02:30 - The rise of AI 07:53 - Wasted talent 09:22 - I want to pull my hair out 10:05 -&nbsp; European leadership 11:14 - Europe is weak 12:25 - Ideals are worth little without power 13:45 - Building a movement 17:40 - Mamdani and populism 21:00 - The God shaped hole 25:12 - Elon Musk the entrepreneur 26:08 - The BBC and Trump 30:49 - A new form of feudalism 33:56 - Small groups can change the world 35:14 - The best place to think Watch this podcast here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4PRejZgr0Ns_wjGlmjlPz0cded0nTYS">https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4PRejZgr0Ns_wjGlmjlPz0cded0nTYS</a>
You can find the written version of this interview with Mishal&rsquo;s notes on Bloomberg Weekend: https://www.bloomberg.com/latest/weekend-interview
Contact The Mishal Husain Show mishalshow@bloomberg.net
Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

Make sense of the world with one essential conversation, every week. Mishal Husain, one of Britain's best interviewers, brings her signature blend of curiosity and tenacity to weekly conversations with world leaders, business titans, and cultural icons, revealing who they really are and how they see the world changing around them.

Subscribe today at Bloomberg.com/audio or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. For annotated transcripts of Mishal's conversations head to Bloomberg.com/latest/weekend-interview

Make sense of the world with one essential conversation, every week. Mishal Husain, one of Britain's best interviewers, brings her signature blend of curiosity and tenacity to weekly conversations with world leaders, business titans, and cultural icons, revealing who they really are and how they see the world changing around them.
Subscribe today at Bloomberg.com/audio or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. For annotated transcripts of Mishal's conversations head to Bloomberg.com/latest/weekend-interview

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Rutger Bregman Is Thinking About Billionaires, the US Versus Europe and Saving the World

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