Mike Hosking and Kate Hawkesby are off on holiday, so Kerre Woodham and Tim Wilson joined Heather du Plessis-Allan to Wrap the Week that Was.

They discussed last night's Radio and Podcast Awards (and the afterparty), Gen Z, and whether Speaker of the House Gerry Brownlee is "too grouchy". 

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Mike Hosking and Kate Hawkesby are off on holiday, so Kerre Woodham and Tim Wilson joined Heather du Plessis-Allan to Wrap the Week that Was.
They discussed last night's Radio and Podcast Awards (and the afterparty), Gen Z, and whether Speaker of the House Gerry Brownlee is "too grouchy".&nbsp;
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Wrapping the Week: Kerre Woodham and Tim Wilson talk Radio and Podcast Awards, Gen Z, Gerry Brownlee

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Unusually for me, I feel like I should come to the defence of Gen Z. 

These are the kids aged 14-29. We complain a lot about them, about how soft they are, how they lack resilience, and what a bunch of complainers they are. 

The latest to join in this week was Michelle Obama, who said they aren’t developing the resilience they need because of a culture of instant gratification. And then told them they need bad bosses and boring jobs if they want to be successful. 

Now, Michelle Obama is right. We’ve all had to pass through the boring jobs. For me it was the drive through at McDonalds in Bombay. 

We’ve all had to be paid poorly – $32,000 a year is what I started on. 

We’ve all had to have the awful boss, or bosses. 

Gen Z is only experiencing what we all did, and like we also did, they have unrealistic expectations about how awesome and fantastic life is going to be as soon as they get their first paycheck. 

And sure, some of them do have a lack of resilience. That’s what happens when your parents are Gen Xers and millennials who helicopter parented you and gentle parented you and you never learned how to feel properly sad or uncomfortable. 

But they are also, I think, better at setting boundaries than any of us before. 

And some of that is what we’re seeing and calling "complaining" and "a lack of resilience". 

We put up with demands to do extra work, unpaid. They know that’s a rort. 

We went to parties and get-togethers we didn’t want to just because we thought we had to. They say no. 

We allowed our bosses to give us zero pay rises while inflation shot up. They know that’s basically a pay cut. 

I think it’s two sides of the same coin. 

And again, we probably have gentle parenting to thank for teaching them to use their words and set boundaries in a way that most of us never learned. 

So next time we hear criticism of Gen Z, and trust me they’re annoying so it will happen, it might pay to ask; is this a lack of resilience, a lack of toughness, or is it just that they know how to say no? 

Unusually for me, I feel like I should come to the defence of Gen Z.&nbsp;
These are the kids aged 14-29. We complain a lot about them, about how soft they are, how they lack resilience, and what a bunch of complainers they are.&nbsp;
The latest to join in this week was Michelle Obama, who said they aren’t developing the resilience they need because of a culture of instant gratification. And then told them they need bad bosses and boring jobs if they want to be successful.&nbsp;
Now, Michelle Obama is right. We’ve all had to pass through the boring jobs. For me it was the drive through at McDonalds in Bombay.&nbsp;
We’ve all had to be paid poorly – $32,000 a year is what I started on.&nbsp;
We’ve all had to have the awful boss, or bosses.&nbsp;
Gen Z is only experiencing what we all did, and like we also did, they have unrealistic expectations about how awesome and fantastic life is going to be as soon as they get their first paycheck.&nbsp;
And sure, some of them do have a lack of resilience. That’s what happens when your parents are Gen Xers and millennials who helicopter parented you and gentle parented you and you never learned how to feel properly sad or uncomfortable.&nbsp;
But they are also, I think, better at setting boundaries than any of us before.&nbsp;
And some of that is what we’re seeing and calling "complaining" and "a lack of resilience".&nbsp;
We put up with demands to do extra work, unpaid. They know that’s a rort.&nbsp;
We went to parties and get-togethers we didn’t want to just because we thought we had to. They say no.&nbsp;
We allowed our bosses to give us zero pay rises while inflation shot up. They know that’s basically a pay cut.&nbsp;
I think it’s two sides of the same coin.&nbsp;
And again, we probably have gentle parenting to thank for teaching them to use their words and set boundaries in a way that most of us never learned.&nbsp;
So next time we hear criticism of Gen Z, and trust me they’re annoying so it will happen, it might pay to ask; is this a lack of resilience, a lack of toughness, or is it just that they know how to say no?&nbsp;

Heather du Plessis-Allan: Are we a bit harsh on Gen Z?

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The Super Rugby Pacific playoffs have arrived.  

Christchurch is a sellout, with tickets going in twenty minutes for the Crusaders v Blues clash at One NZ Stadium at Te Kaha.  

Four Kiwi sides make up the top six —the Hurricanes, the Blues, Crusaders, and Chiefs— with officials deciding to stick with the controversial “lucky loser” format.  

Super Rugby Pacific CEO Jack Mesley told Heather du Plessis-Allan that while some might see the outcome of the finals as predictable, he doesn’t think that’s the case. 

He says last year saw the 6th placed Blues knock off the 1st placed Chiefs in the qualifying final, and they went within a whisker of beating the Crusaders in the semi-final, so he’s not sure it’s quite as done and dusted as some people might be commenting. 

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The Super Rugby Pacific playoffs have arrived. &nbsp;
Christchurch is a sellout, with tickets going in twenty minutes for the Crusaders v Blues clash at One NZ Stadium at Te Kaha. &nbsp;
Four Kiwi sides make up the top six —the Hurricanes, the Blues, Crusaders, and Chiefs— with officials deciding to stick with the controversial “lucky loser” format. &nbsp;
Super Rugby Pacific CEO Jack Mesley told Heather du Plessis-Allan that while some might see the outcome of the finals as predictable, he doesn’t think that’s the case.&nbsp;
He says last year saw the 6th placed Blues knock off the 1st placed Chiefs in the qualifying final, and they went within a whisker of beating the Crusaders in the semi-final, so he’s not sure it’s quite as done and dusted as some people might be commenting.&nbsp;
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Jack Mesley: Super Rugby Pacific CEO on the playoffs starting this weekend

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On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast with Heather du Plessis-Allan for Friday 5th of June, Former US Army Major General Randy Manner dives into the supposed ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon.  

Super Rugby Pacific CEO Jack Mesley joined for a chat ahead of playoffs kicking off tonight. 

And Tim Wilson and Kerre Woodham discuss the NZ Radio and Podcast Awards, kids ruining couches in cafes, and whether you’d live in a house with your parents as they Wrap the Week. 

Get the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast every weekday morning on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. 

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On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast with Heather du Plessis-Allan for Friday 5th of June, <a href="https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/randy-manner-former-us-army-major-general-on-hezbollah-rejecting-the-terms-of-a-ceasefire-between-israel-and-lebanon/">Former US Army Major General Randy Manner</a> dives into the supposed ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon. &nbsp;
<a href="https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/jack-mesley-super-rugby-pacific-ceo-on-the-playoffs-starting-this-weekend/">Super Rugby Pacific CEO Jack Mesley</a> joined for a chat ahead of playoffs kicking off tonight.&nbsp;
And <a href="https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/wrapping-the-week-kerre-woodham-and-tim-wilson-talk-radio-and-podcast-awards-gen-z-gerry-brownlee/">Tim Wilson and Kerre Woodham</a> discuss the NZ Radio and Podcast Awards, kids ruining couches in cafes, and whether you’d live in a house with your parents as they Wrap the Week.&nbsp;
Get the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast every weekday morning on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.&nbsp;
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Full Show Podcast: 05 June 2026 

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Wrapping the Week: Kerre Woodham and Tim Wilson talk Radio and Podcast Awards, Gen Z, Gerry Brownlee

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