Time now for politics. Wednesday, Mark Mitchell's with us from India and Ginny Anderson's with us from the Hut.

Time now for politics. Wednesday, Mark Mitchell's with us from India and Ginny Anderson's with us from the Hut.

Good morning, Good morning money mate.

Good morning, Good morning money mate.

Am I correct in saying, Mark, you are there in your role Indigenous Communities Minister.

Am I correct in saying, Mark, you are there in your role Indigenous Communities Minister.

Of Ethnic Communities and also sport and Rex So. Sport's been a big part of the discussions over here. We signed a memorandum of cooperation and Prime Minister Modiu himself, we had lunch with him yesterday and a big chunk of our conversation was around sport.

Of Ethnic Communities and also sport and Rex So. Sport's been a big part of the discussions over here. We signed a memorandum of cooperation and Prime Minister Modiu himself, we had lunch with him yesterday and a big chunk of our conversation was around sport.

Have you won on one with them?

Have you won on one with them?

Yes, yeah, we had. I had lunch. I was very lucky. I came out in twenty sixteen with Sir John Key and had lunch and said at the same table as him, and the same thing happened this time around with Chris so No. I had some really good time with him. And like I said, he's very interested in sport. He's trying to roll out sport and get a big focus on sport in India and he sees that there's a lot that we can do that they want to do with New Zealand.

Yes, yeah, we had. I had lunch. I was very lucky. I came out in twenty sixteen with Sir John Key and had lunch and said at the same table as him, and the same thing happened this time around with Chris so No. I had some really good time with him. And like I said, he's very interested in sport. He's trying to roll out sport and get a big focus on sport in India and he sees that there's a lot that we can do that they want to do with New Zealand.

Was he getting some tips from the Black Caps? I would have thought they already had that cricket.

Was he getting some tips from the Black Caps? I would have thought they already had that cricket.

Pretty good at cricket. They're pretty good at cricket, but he wants to broaden that base and get and funnily enough, they had the captain of the Indian rugby team there, and rugby something that they really want to focus on.

Pretty good at cricket. They're pretty good at cricket, but he wants to broaden that base and get and funnily enough, they had the captain of the Indian rugby team there, and rugby something that they really want to focus on.

Interesting. He has a they say an X factor of charisma. Is that true?

Interesting. He has a they say an X factor of charisma. Is that true?

Yeah, without a doubt, Absolutely, without a doubt, And that has grown the first time that I met him back in twenty sixteen, he is a relatively new leader. He's been doing the job for a while and I noticed a big difference, you know, But without a doubt, he's got a real presence about him.

Yeah, without a doubt, Absolutely, without a doubt, And that has grown the first time that I met him back in twenty sixteen, he is a relatively new leader. He's been doing the job for a while and I noticed a big difference, you know, But without a doubt, he's got a real presence about him.

All right now, Jenny, As far as you're concern, I can come off a bunch of stuff. Barbara Edmonds who spoke to the investment conference last week, and there was very good piece. If you read the piece in the Where was It? Newsroom? If you read the piece labor and PPPs, your stance on PPPs seems to have come and gone change, twisted up and down, black and right, right and wrong. Do you have a definitive position on PPPs or not?

All right now, Jenny, As far as you're concern, I can come off a bunch of stuff. Barbara Edmonds who spoke to the investment conference last week, and there was very good piece. If you read the piece in the Where was It? Newsroom? If you read the piece labor and PPPs, your stance on PPPs seems to have come and gone change, twisted up and down, black and right, right and wrong. Do you have a definitive position on PPPs or not?

We do, Yeah. We don't like them for things like schools, and prisons and also hospital so areas where these public services provided not a big thing. But we have been pretty clear about the fact that if National goes into a deal and does one, we won't wind it back as it happened over the last year or so, because what we saw was a whole lot of construction workers leaving New Zealand thirteen thousand and that's not good for economy, not good for jobs in wages. So we won't do that.

We do, Yeah. We don't like them for things like schools, and prisons and also hospital so areas where these public services provided not a big thing. But we have been pretty clear about the fact that if National goes into a deal and does one, we won't wind it back as it happened over the last year or so, because what we saw was a whole lot of construction workers leaving New Zealand thirteen thousand and that's not good for economy, not good for jobs in wages. So we won't do that.

Okay, So, but part of it also says if there is a benefit to New Zealand, what if they can say I don't know a school and they can show a benefit to New Zealand. Does that negate the nose schools thing or does it or not?

Okay, So, but part of it also says if there is a benefit to New Zealand, what if they can say I don't know a school and they can show a benefit to New Zealand. Does that negate the nose schools thing or does it or not?

No, we don't think. We think there are some basic things like schools, prisons, hospitals where we don't agree with PPPs.

No, we don't think. We think there are some basic things like schools, prisons, hospitals where we don't agree with PPPs.

Okay, well, what.

Okay, well, what.

If you had an e we come forward and so that they wanted to to do a PPP with the government on a school.

If you had an e we come forward and so that they wanted to to do a PPP with the government on a school.

Look, there are there. We think there are some fundamental areas. We don't like charter schools. We have charter schools already if people do that, but in our view that there are some basic public services, we're making a profit out of them, doesn't help them. School lunchers would be a great example where you had something that was being provided by locally, you've got a big provider coming in making a profit from it, and a lot of those times they fall over when you're providing a public good.

Look, there are there. We think there are some fundamental areas. We don't like charter schools. We have charter schools already if people do that, but in our view that there are some basic public services, we're making a profit out of them, doesn't help them. School lunchers would be a great example where you had something that was being provided by locally, you've got a big provider coming in making a profit from it, and a lot of those times they fall over when you're providing a public good.

I'm glad you raised the charter schools because in the Hip Can speech the other day he said, we're not going to be a government that just goes in and cancels everything like this current government has. And yet he was the bloke who for ideological reasons, only went and canceled the charter schools last time. So as he changed his mind on that stuff or clearly not.

I'm glad you raised the charter schools because in the Hip Can speech the other day he said, we're not going to be a government that just goes in and cancels everything like this current government has. And yet he was the bloke who for ideological reasons, only went and canceled the charter schools last time. So as he changed his mind on that stuff or clearly not.

I think we've new Zealanders are tired of flicking back from one thing to the other. Yes, every three years. Yes we have some fundamental ideological problems, but it's also important that we keep making agree to as a country. And we're just going to be helped back if we keep flicking back and forward. So if there's a big project that's in play that is working okay, and there's some good things there, we're not going to undo it just for the sake of saying, so.

I think we've new Zealanders are tired of flicking back from one thing to the other. Yes, every three years. Yes we have some fundamental ideological problems, but it's also important that we keep making agree to as a country. And we're just going to be helped back if we keep flicking back and forward. So if there's a big project that's in play that is working okay, and there's some good things there, we're not going to undo it just for the sake of saying, so.

You could say this morning, so the charter school's up and operating now, so they will be up and operating for at least two years by the time if you got to government, for example, in twenty twenty six, so you would leave those alone.

You could say this morning, so the charter school's up and operating now, so they will be up and operating for at least two years by the time if you got to government, for example, in twenty twenty six, so you would leave those alone.

I'm not going to make education policy on newsbooks.

I'm not going to make education policy on newsbooks.

You'd be.

You'd be.

But my understanding is the way we want to proceed. If there's a big thing in place and it's working, okay, we're not going to unearth it.

But my understanding is the way we want to proceed. If there's a big thing in place and it's working, okay, we're not going to unearth it.

And this is the exact problem that we've got with you at the moment, because we've tried to send out really clear messages.

And this is the exact problem that we've got with you at the moment, because we've tried to send out really clear messages.

Tom, don't even start you. Look what you've done in terms of the infrastructure projects.

Tom, don't even start you. Look what you've done in terms of the infrastructure projects.

That you are. Let me finish, finish, let me let me finish. Ginny, you can't even be unequivocal about whether or not charter schools are going to Stone. You're just giving us a big litera that we can't keep dropping back and forward. No, you didn't. You just said that you're not going to get into education policy. We'll get into it. You just said that you're not going to flip flop. And now you're saying, well, actually, you can't say whether you will keep charter schools and this is the problem, not the problem if we had they're all over.

That you are. Let me finish, finish, let me let me finish. Ginny, you can't even be unequivocal about whether or not charter schools are going to Stone. You're just giving us a big litera that we can't keep dropping back and forward. No, you didn't. You just said that you're not going to get into education policy. We'll get into it. You just said that you're not going to flip flop. And now you're saying, well, actually, you can't say whether you will keep charter schools and this is the problem, not the problem if we had they're all over.

The Red stood up pretty clearly and stated that if there's big projects that have gone ahead, and that's why we sent labor MPs into your into the big infrastructure talk with investment firms, that if New Zealand needs some big investment, and we've sent people there to give a strong message out to those international partners that we support of if they give us jobs, if they give us wages, and they're good for New Zealanders, but we need to keep an eye on the fact that if big companies are just going to come into New Zealand carve off luge bits of infrastructure own themselves and charge keywis for using them forever in a day, we need to be cautious of those details and how they play.

The Red stood up pretty clearly and stated that if there's big projects that have gone ahead, and that's why we sent labor MPs into your into the big infrastructure talk with investment firms, that if New Zealand needs some big investment, and we've sent people there to give a strong message out to those international partners that we support of if they give us jobs, if they give us wages, and they're good for New Zealanders, but we need to keep an eye on the fact that if big companies are just going to come into New Zealand carve off luge bits of infrastructure own themselves and charge keywis for using them forever in a day, we need to be cautious of those details and how they play.

Mark you'll know the answer to this. This is on social media. You know Ben Thomas, the guy who used to work for the National Parties was outs right, So he's on the X and it says incredible, incredible effort, reports Bush. This is Bishop Christopher was handing out medals at the week Box Kids Triathlon Sunday morning, and a New Zealand month T shirt, Music month T shirt and jeans. He may not have even been home between Home Grind and Meo New He sets is Chris Bishop, the sort of person who would stay out all night having watched a bit of music to hand out medals the next morning.

Mark you'll know the answer to this. This is on social media. You know Ben Thomas, the guy who used to work for the National Parties was outs right, So he's on the X and it says incredible, incredible effort, reports Bush. This is Bishop Christopher was handing out medals at the week Box Kids Triathlon Sunday morning, and a New Zealand month T shirt, Music month T shirt and jeans. He may not have even been home between Home Grind and Meo New He sets is Chris Bishop, the sort of person who would stay out all night having watched a bit of music to hand out medals the next morning.

He loves he loves Seahard. I know that, and absolutely he had turned up the next day for the week Books Kids Trithel. It's such a great event. So and he's put a lot of work into this International Investment Summit as well. I just want to say one thing really quickly, like we should be really proud of our Prime minister. He has done us proud up here. We still had a couple more days to go, but we are back at the table for an FTA with India, which is huge for US as a country with there's lots of global headwinds. You know, our Prime minister's getting on with solutions and getting things done, whereas the other side labor are just confused about what they want to do. And we're not even.

He loves he loves Seahard. I know that, and absolutely he had turned up the next day for the week Books Kids Trithel. It's such a great event. So and he's put a lot of work into this International Investment Summit as well. I just want to say one thing really quickly, like we should be really proud of our Prime minister. He has done us proud up here. We still had a couple more days to go, but we are back at the table for an FTA with India, which is huge for US as a country with there's lots of global headwinds. You know, our Prime minister's getting on with solutions and getting things done, whereas the other side labor are just confused about what they want to do. And we're not even.

Come on, Mark, we got not even UK big deal.

Come on, Mark, we got not even UK big deal.

Not even we're not even paying much attention.

Not even we're not even paying much attention.

Don't make that moment.

Don't make that moment.

We're just we're just getting on and getting things done, all right.

We're just we're just getting on and getting things done, all right.

I would like to respond to that if I could. Yes, you care free trade deal with the EU and the UK. They were fundamental and we all see you.

I would like to respond to that if I could. Yes, you care free trade deal with the EU and the UK. They were fundamental and we all see you.

To be fair Joenny as crap. But but the UK one is a winner. There's no that's gold stand there's no question.

To be fair Joenny as crap. But but the UK one is a winner. There's no that's gold stand there's no question.

And I don't have to say on top of that. China took a long time, but the deal.

And I don't have to say on top of that. China took a long time, but the deal.

With Yes, your labor for our forever got got in bid with the Chinese. That is true. By the way, do you need to be a she had fan to be successful and you're part of the world, Jinny as a local MP is that part of the UH does help.

With Yes, your labor for our forever got got in bid with the Chinese. That is true. By the way, do you need to be a she had fan to be successful and you're part of the world, Jinny as a local MP is that part of the UH does help.

But there are many other excellent bands as well as she had, which I would vouch for.

But there are many other excellent bands as well as she had, which I would vouch for.

Mark, can you stop muting yourself? I mean, for goodness sake, it's every week he's on he's on his cheek, his cheek on his phone. He goes hello, Hello, He's sitting there as an Indian Hotels. Hello, Oh, muted myself, Jenny. While we're waiting for him to unmute himself. In a boomest and a boomert type moment, it's white to tea and this.

Mark, can you stop muting yourself? I mean, for goodness sake, it's every week he's on he's on his cheek, his cheek on his phone. He goes hello, Hello, He's sitting there as an Indian Hotels. Hello, Oh, muted myself, Jenny. While we're waiting for him to unmute himself. In a boomest and a boomert type moment, it's white to tea and this.

Sorry, Sorry, it's mad.

Sorry, Sorry, it's mad.

It's embarrassing.

It's embarrassing.

I didn't even get to talk about that Indian free trade agreement.

I didn't even get to talk about that Indian free trade agreement.

He cut me.

He cut me.

On anyway back home, But Jenny, back home, White to Tea giving Seymour a good effing hiding, is it? Do they get a free pass? If you'd said that, would you be in more trouble than White? T appears to be well.

On anyway back home, But Jenny, back home, White to Tea giving Seymour a good effing hiding, is it? Do they get a free pass? If you'd said that, would you be in more trouble than White? T appears to be well.

I think they've got a fear bit of coverage style. I don't know if they did get into trouble from what I saw, Well.

I think they've got a fear bit of coverage style. I don't know if they did get into trouble from what I saw, Well.

They don't. That's my point. It seems that if you're in the Maori Party, you can do anything, say anything, and nothing comes out of it. He's useless, isn't he absolutely hopeless?

They don't. That's my point. It seems that if you're in the Maori Party, you can do anything, say anything, and nothing comes out of it. He's useless, isn't he absolutely hopeless?

Definitely, the keeps dropping out, So what if? I most probably not speaking to be honest? Thanks, Mark, just all just be honest. It's always vigorous.

Definitely, the keeps dropping out, So what if? I most probably not speaking to be honest? Thanks, Mark, just all just be honest. It's always vigorous.

No, we're talking about David Seymour and and the Multi party and the the LAWNSI.

No, we're talking about David Seymour and and the Multi party and the the LAWNSI.

I mean so that often I told you what we're doing.

I mean so that often I told you what we're doing.

You're on hold, Mark, Sorry, carry on, Jenny, I'm not disappearing.

You're on hold, Mark, Sorry, carry on, Jenny, I'm not disappearing.

Look, I would never have seen that, and I don't think it's It's a great idea at all. But I think they've got a few bit of coverage and people genuinely thought that that was unacceptable. So I don't know if he got away with it. I think what Dave David Seymour pretty much waded straight in there. But it gets to the point when it's those two I think most people kind of just switch off because it's those two editor gains.

Look, I would never have seen that, and I don't think it's It's a great idea at all. But I think they've got a few bit of coverage and people genuinely thought that that was unacceptable. So I don't know if he got away with it. I think what Dave David Seymour pretty much waded straight in there. But it gets to the point when it's those two I think most people kind of just switch off because it's those two editor gains.

What do you say just quickly before well, no one wants no one lots bullies do the Jenny so and this bullying behavior without a doubt. And I think that in this country at the moment we're in our country, we've got too much violent crime to deal with and people should learn to keep their hands themselves. And to have a member of Parliament coming out and saying they want to give someone a hiding, to me and my view, it's just totally unacceptable.

What do you say just quickly before well, no one wants no one lots bullies do the Jenny so and this bullying behavior without a doubt. And I think that in this country at the moment we're in our country, we've got too much violent crime to deal with and people should learn to keep their hands themselves. And to have a member of Parliament coming out and saying they want to give someone a hiding, to me and my view, it's just totally unacceptable.

Is part of it mark that we don't take them seriously? It's just it's them again? Is there a bit of that about it?

Is part of it mark that we don't take them seriously? It's just it's them again? Is there a bit of that about it?

Well?

Well?

I think, well that's a big part of it. I can tell you now that if a national MP came out and said something, you would be all over it. They'll be calling for resignations. But for some reason, because it's the married party, they yet given a free ticket super quick.

I think, well that's a big part of it. I can tell you now that if a national MP came out and said something, you would be all over it. They'll be calling for resignations. But for some reason, because it's the married party, they yet given a free ticket super quick.

Jinny given Chris was on the radio with our Wellington people saying you couldn't find a Wellington candidate for the mayor. Should parties in general this is the act story. Should parties in general be involved in local body politics?

Jinny given Chris was on the radio with our Wellington people saying you couldn't find a Wellington candidate for the mayor. Should parties in general this is the act story. Should parties in general be involved in local body politics?

Oh that's a tough one at pros and cons. There are some good reasons at it because it actually helps me more organized on the ground, and I've seen that in the hearts. We've done quite well having good, strong candidates out here. But it needs to fat. They need to that you know that they want to be part of that party and the party needs to want them. So if that's all working well, it can go really well. I don't think it's essential that you can do it without it.

Oh that's a tough one at pros and cons. There are some good reasons at it because it actually helps me more organized on the ground, and I've seen that in the hearts. We've done quite well having good, strong candidates out here. But it needs to fat. They need to that you know that they want to be part of that party and the party needs to want them. So if that's all working well, it can go really well. I don't think it's essential that you can do it without it.

So all right, Mark, you off to bed.

So all right, Mark, you off to bed.

Yes, yeah, I'm up in a bit. Four us. We've got to very early start to get to get up to Bumboy today.

Yes, yeah, I'm up in a bit. Four us. We've got to very early start to get to get up to Bumboy today.

Good on you go. Well, we'll catch up next week. Appreciate it. Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.

Good on you go. Well, we'll catch up next week. Appreciate it. Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.

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