The Social Development Minister's standing by her changes to the welfare system. 

Louise Upston wants to slash the number of people on Jobseeker to 140 thousand by 2030. 

Labour claims they're on track to miss the target by more than 60 thousand people and their current approach isn't creating the right conditions to help people into work. 

But Upston told Mike Hosking she's serious about every single person on Jobseeker. 

She says MSD is more proactive in working with employers and job seekers and making important matches to get people into work.  

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