Chris Lux and Prime Minister Chris Hello.

Chris Lux and Prime Minister Chris Hello.

Hello, Lo, how are you going you survive in the Morning's okay?

Hello, Lo, how are you going you survive in the Morning's okay?

Mage, we've talked about what time do you get up in the morning, About four thirty, About four thirty fifty seven days week.

Mage, we've talked about what time do you get up in the morning, About four thirty, About four thirty fifty seven days week.

Well, there's a lot to do. There's a lot there's a country to sort out and get turned around and heading in the right direction. So there's a hell of a lot of work to do. So that's what the good people in New ze Little elected me to do, is to go to work. So that's what I've got to do.

Well, there's a lot to do. There's a lot there's a country to sort out and get turned around and heading in the right direction. So there's a hell of a lot of work to do. So that's what the good people in New ze Little elected me to do, is to go to work. So that's what I've got to do.

Yeah, correctly, first thing in the morning. I don't think people realize that hosting gets up at two thirty, which is quite a thing.

Yeah, correctly, first thing in the morning. I don't think people realize that hosting gets up at two thirty, which is quite a thing.

But anyway, and if you do the same thing, you haven't get.

But anyway, and if you do the same thing, you haven't get.

Up there can't you can't be you can't be filling in for the big guy and then dropping the ball.

Up there can't you can't be you can't be filling in for the big guy and then dropping the ball.

So absolutely, yeah, you're under some pressure.

So absolutely, yeah, you're under some pressure.

Anyway, alarm for full thirty tomorrow and I'll think, oh, look, I've been enough for two hours longer than the Prime minister.

Anyway, alarm for full thirty tomorrow and I'll think, oh, look, I've been enough for two hours longer than the Prime minister.

It's unusual.

It's unusual.

Listen, what can you tell us about the fairy's announcement tomorrow?

Listen, what can you tell us about the fairy's announcement tomorrow?

Can't tell you anything Unfortunately, you just have to wait until the announcement comes. We said we'll do it before the end of the year, but we need to get a really good solution on the straight and we've worked hard to make sure that we can. But spending three point two billion dollars with further risk of overruns wasn't the way forward, and so we need a proper solution and that's what the team's been working on through the most of the year.

Can't tell you anything Unfortunately, you just have to wait until the announcement comes. We said we'll do it before the end of the year, but we need to get a really good solution on the straight and we've worked hard to make sure that we can. But spending three point two billion dollars with further risk of overruns wasn't the way forward, and so we need a proper solution and that's what the team's been working on through the most of the year.

Can you tell us it's tomorrow.

Can you tell us it's tomorrow.

I can't even tell you when it will be hither. All I can say is I'm delivering on our commitment, which is will make an announcement before the end of the year, and unfortunately you just have to wait till then.

I can't even tell you when it will be hither. All I can say is I'm delivering on our commitment, which is will make an announcement before the end of the year, and unfortunately you just have to wait till then.

How annoyed do you yesterday in the post cabinet press conference, where all the details were already out and a reporter was quoting them back to.

How annoyed do you yesterday in the post cabinet press conference, where all the details were already out and a reporter was quoting them back to.

You, Well, I don't talk about what happens in cabinet, And I know there's a lot of questions that were coming my way on that, but the answer is pretty straightforward. You know, we don't talk about what's happening in cabinet. We make sure that when we do.

You, Well, I don't talk about what happens in cabinet, And I know there's a lot of questions that were coming my way on that, but the answer is pretty straightforward. You know, we don't talk about what's happening in cabinet. We make sure that when we do.

Somebody is talking about what's happening in cabinet though, aren't they because you know it's two medium sized fairies, not rail enabled and might cost about nine hundred million bucks.

Somebody is talking about what's happening in cabinet though, aren't they because you know it's two medium sized fairies, not rail enabled and might cost about nine hundred million bucks.

Well, I just I just wait until the announcement comes. So not long ago, are we?

Well, I just I just wait until the announcement comes. So not long ago, are we?

Can? You just tell me this though? The total package, right, the three billion dollars, whatever you guys do now is not going to exceed that, is it correct? Okay, well, at least there's something there.

Can? You just tell me this though? The total package, right, the three billion dollars, whatever you guys do now is not going to exceed that, is it correct? Okay, well, at least there's something there.

I mean, the problem the problem here there was the last lot was that you know, you had a project that I think started off at under a billion, ended up blowing out like we've seen with Dunedin Hospital, like we've seen with everything else, up to three point two billion. And actually one fifth of it was around the boats, and then the four fists of it was actually the infrastructure at the ports required to support those boats. And so you know that's where it was getting out of hand.

I mean, the problem the problem here there was the last lot was that you know, you had a project that I think started off at under a billion, ended up blowing out like we've seen with Dunedin Hospital, like we've seen with everything else, up to three point two billion. And actually one fifth of it was around the boats, and then the four fists of it was actually the infrastructure at the ports required to support those boats. And so you know that's where it was getting out of hand.

But you know what I'm worried about.

But you know what I'm worried about.

And there was no there was no sign that actually it wouldn't even get worse from there. I'm worried called to make the decision.

And there was no there was no sign that actually it wouldn't even get worse from there. I'm worried called to make the decision.

I'm worrying about. What you're going to do, is you're going to save a whole bunch of money on the port side infrastructure, but then you're going to end up blowing huge amounts of money on the fairies. And we could have had these two massive fairies for five hundred million or thereabouts, and now we're going to end up buying smaller fairies for more, do you know what I mean? Like the fairies.

I'm worrying about. What you're going to do, is you're going to save a whole bunch of money on the port side infrastructure, but then you're going to end up blowing huge amounts of money on the fairies. And we could have had these two massive fairies for five hundred million or thereabouts, and now we're going to end up buying smaller fairies for more, do you know what I mean? Like the fairies.

But that was the problem, right, I mean, the fairies that were selected at that time required huge amounts of different port infrastructure in both Wellington and Picton and that's where the blowout and costs started to happen. So so you've got to get the whole system right. And frankly, yeah, I mean, as we talked about at the time, you know, you just can't have a blowout like that. It's just just not acceptable and no and no end in sight as to where it was going next. So look, we've done the right thing, I mean, And and you'll give me a hard time and say a lot. You've got to be tough on managing the economy, and we are. And so yep, we're not going to spend three billion dollars building indeed in hospital spend two. Yes, we're going to get a right sized option for the cockstraight. But we need to because every money that we just let overspend there is money that we can't spend doing more schools, hospitals, roads, somewhere else in.

But that was the problem, right, I mean, the fairies that were selected at that time required huge amounts of different port infrastructure in both Wellington and Picton and that's where the blowout and costs started to happen. So so you've got to get the whole system right. And frankly, yeah, I mean, as we talked about at the time, you know, you just can't have a blowout like that. It's just just not acceptable and no and no end in sight as to where it was going next. So look, we've done the right thing, I mean, And and you'll give me a hard time and say a lot. You've got to be tough on managing the economy, and we are. And so yep, we're not going to spend three billion dollars building indeed in hospital spend two. Yes, we're going to get a right sized option for the cockstraight. But we need to because every money that we just let overspend there is money that we can't spend doing more schools, hospitals, roads, somewhere else in.

We'll chat about it again next week once once we get the announcement tomorrow. Probably Listener, you guys, despite all the pressure you're getting on this boot camp trial, you guys going to push your head with this. You're going to make the boot camps happen.

We'll chat about it again next week once once we get the announcement tomorrow. Probably Listener, you guys, despite all the pressure you're getting on this boot camp trial, you guys going to push your head with this. You're going to make the boot camps happen.

Look, I think the arguments ridiculous that I've heard in the last twenty four hours, which is that, look, we've got ten of our toughest, serious, most persistent young offenders. They are really complex kids, come from challenge backgrounds, but they are the hardest and the toughest of the toughest that we've got. So what we've said is lot, we're going to have these military style academies. I've been in them, I've seen them. I've seen huge amounts. I was really impressed. I spent four hours there with the ten kids. It was incredible. They've got mentors, they got support, they've got people having to get driver's licenses, they've got everything, you know, every opportunity to make a choice to live a better life, and that's what we're presenting with them while we're also keeping the public safe. And so you know, we've got two things. One get the public safe. Two make an intervention, because you know where those lives are going. You know, they're just going to go into tougher, harder serious crime, causing more pain and suffering across the community. So we'll give them a shot. It's up to them to make to do something with it. But you know, you know a number of those kids have actually gone on to actually find jobs or taken on education, and that's a major, major thing. So I appreciate there will still be there will be still those that will reoffend, and that's a choice that they make. But you know, everyone gets to live a life of free will and choice. And at the end of the day, all we've done is give them an intervention that actually they haven't had from my mum and dad, or from their family, or from their community. And so the alternative of not doing it is sorry, do.

Look, I think the arguments ridiculous that I've heard in the last twenty four hours, which is that, look, we've got ten of our toughest, serious, most persistent young offenders. They are really complex kids, come from challenge backgrounds, but they are the hardest and the toughest of the toughest that we've got. So what we've said is lot, we're going to have these military style academies. I've been in them, I've seen them. I've seen huge amounts. I was really impressed. I spent four hours there with the ten kids. It was incredible. They've got mentors, they got support, they've got people having to get driver's licenses, they've got everything, you know, every opportunity to make a choice to live a better life, and that's what we're presenting with them while we're also keeping the public safe. And so you know, we've got two things. One get the public safe. Two make an intervention, because you know where those lives are going. You know, they're just going to go into tougher, harder serious crime, causing more pain and suffering across the community. So we'll give them a shot. It's up to them to make to do something with it. But you know, you know a number of those kids have actually gone on to actually find jobs or taken on education, and that's a major, major thing. So I appreciate there will still be there will be still those that will reoffend, and that's a choice that they make. But you know, everyone gets to live a life of free will and choice. And at the end of the day, all we've done is give them an intervention that actually they haven't had from my mum and dad, or from their family, or from their community. And so the alternative of not doing it is sorry, do.

You need to tweak the intervention? Do you need to make the stay in the boot camp a little bit longer? Or increase the security that they have when they're back in the community or something to avoid them doing what they've just done.

You need to tweak the intervention? Do you need to make the stay in the boot camp a little bit longer? Or increase the security that they have when they're back in the community or something to avoid them doing what they've just done.

Yeah, well we'll look into that. I mean, yeah, because I think you're right. What we've set up as a pilot right, so there was a three month residential piece, a nine month community based piece. They actually do have dedicated people with them through the community phase as well. But there may well be as we now bring in this young serious offender legislation and ability to work with those younger people for longer in residences if we didn't feel they were ready to return to the community. But in the pilot construct, that wasn't something that we could do. Under the new legislation, we possibly could play with that if we feel it's appropriate. But all I just say to you is, look, I just think it's a pretty defeatist and negative mindset to say, look, we should try to do something different, shouldn't we to keep the public safe and to change the way these lives could go. Because even if one of those ten actually ends up changing their life and they don't go down a pathway of gang life and violence and jail time time and welfare dependency and all of that stuff and all the cost associated with that, let alone all the harm. Isn't that what we're trying to do. It's called social investment and it's hard and it's hard stuff, but you have to stick with it. But the answer not to do it isn't the right up.

Yeah, well we'll look into that. I mean, yeah, because I think you're right. What we've set up as a pilot right, so there was a three month residential piece, a nine month community based piece. They actually do have dedicated people with them through the community phase as well. But there may well be as we now bring in this young serious offender legislation and ability to work with those younger people for longer in residences if we didn't feel they were ready to return to the community. But in the pilot construct, that wasn't something that we could do. Under the new legislation, we possibly could play with that if we feel it's appropriate. But all I just say to you is, look, I just think it's a pretty defeatist and negative mindset to say, look, we should try to do something different, shouldn't we to keep the public safe and to change the way these lives could go. Because even if one of those ten actually ends up changing their life and they don't go down a pathway of gang life and violence and jail time time and welfare dependency and all of that stuff and all the cost associated with that, let alone all the harm. Isn't that what we're trying to do. It's called social investment and it's hard and it's hard stuff, but you have to stick with it. But the answer not to do it isn't the right up.

Have you seen the Curier polling out today on the support for the Treaty Principles bill.

Have you seen the Curier polling out today on the support for the Treaty Principles bill.

I haven't to be honest, as you know, I don't too focused on poles because you.

I haven't to be honest, as you know, I don't too focused on poles because you.

Need to get across this cross. You need to get across this because of the position that you're taking on it. So National Party voters do not want to leave things as though way they are the fifty nine percent, there's a vast majority of your own voters want Parliament, all the people to decide what happens with the Treaty Principles.

Need to get across this cross. You need to get across this because of the position that you're taking on it. So National Party voters do not want to leave things as though way they are the fifty nine percent, there's a vast majority of your own voters want Parliament, all the people to decide what happens with the Treaty Principles.

Well, what I'd say to you is when I took to National Party voters and the numbers that I see, what matters much more than the treaty issues, frankly, is actually fixing the economy infrastructure.

Well, what I'd say to you is when I took to National Party voters and the numbers that I see, what matters much more than the treaty issues, frankly, is actually fixing the economy infrastructure.

I'm not arguing about that, and I would agree with you.

I'm not arguing about that, and I would agree with you.

On saliency of issue. Saliency of issue for National Party voters and people and supporters, those things matter much more than the treaty, there'll be arranging views within the party on it.

On saliency of issue. Saliency of issue for National Party voters and people and supporters, those things matter much more than the treaty, there'll be arranging views within the party on it.

This is one of these issues. If you ask me what's important to me, I can tell you all the things that are important to me. My child's education, health care for myself, blah blah blah, all of those things in the economy. But you put the treaty principles issue in front of people, they have an opinion. They expect you to have an opinion, and you're sticking with the status.

This is one of these issues. If you ask me what's important to me, I can tell you all the things that are important to me. My child's education, health care for myself, blah blah blah, all of those things in the economy. But you put the treaty principles issue in front of people, they have an opinion. They expect you to have an opinion, and you're sticking with the status.

Well I do. Don't you ask me what my opinion is. My opinion is very simply that treaty issues are really complex. We've grappled with them for one hundred and eighty four years. We believe in equal rights. We also have obligations under the treaty. We've worked that through. It's been difficult, but it has actually been positive for New Zeland. I believe over one hundred and eighty four years. I think you've got to sheet a lot of what we're saying around division and frustration back and hipkins who didn't take people with them health authority. Enough with my argument, but you're.

Well I do. Don't you ask me what my opinion is. My opinion is very simply that treaty issues are really complex. We've grappled with them for one hundred and eighty four years. We believe in equal rights. We also have obligations under the treaty. We've worked that through. It's been difficult, but it has actually been positive for New Zeland. I believe over one hundred and eighty four years. I think you've got to sheet a lot of what we're saying around division and frustration back and hipkins who didn't take people with them health authority. Enough with my argument, but you're.

Not doing anything and you vote able to do No.

Not doing anything and you vote able to do No.

No, we are doing something. So what we're saying is look, there's immense frustration. But the answer isn't simply with the stroke of a pen to do a very simplistic principle spell. The answer is to do what we are doing, which is take a case by case, issue by issue. We've unwound co governance on three Waters, disbanded the Maori Health Authority. We have been clear about public services delivered on the basi of need. We've put Maori wards back to local communities as we said we would. We've gone through the Maca Parliament to get back to the intention of what was intended in twenty eleven. We're looking at treaty principal references to make sure that's specific and relevant in legislation. So we've got clarity uncertainty. So that's the practical stuff that you need to do, and you do that on a case by case, issue by issue basis. But to think that you can just through the stroke of a pen to a pretty simplistic treaty principle spell and override one hundred and eighty four years of treaty discussion and debate. The treaty has made us better as a country. As difficult, we haven't always agreed, but everybody stays committed. And I just say to you, go look at the history of First Nations people all around the world, and I'm really proud of actually what's happened over that period. As difficult as it may be, but we have a different way of looking at it, which is issue by issue, case by case, doing the practical and realistic things.

No, we are doing something. So what we're saying is look, there's immense frustration. But the answer isn't simply with the stroke of a pen to do a very simplistic principle spell. The answer is to do what we are doing, which is take a case by case, issue by issue. We've unwound co governance on three Waters, disbanded the Maori Health Authority. We have been clear about public services delivered on the basi of need. We've put Maori wards back to local communities as we said we would. We've gone through the Maca Parliament to get back to the intention of what was intended in twenty eleven. We're looking at treaty principal references to make sure that's specific and relevant in legislation. So we've got clarity uncertainty. So that's the practical stuff that you need to do, and you do that on a case by case, issue by issue basis. But to think that you can just through the stroke of a pen to a pretty simplistic treaty principle spell and override one hundred and eighty four years of treaty discussion and debate. The treaty has made us better as a country. As difficult, we haven't always agreed, but everybody stays committed. And I just say to you, go look at the history of First Nations people all around the world, and I'm really proud of actually what's happened over that period. As difficult as it may be, but we have a different way of looking at it, which is issue by issue, case by case, doing the practical and realistic things.

It's got to ask you something or I'm getting get in trouble about talking about you behind your back. Do you think your baldness is a superpower?

It's got to ask you something or I'm getting get in trouble about talking about you behind your back. Do you think your baldness is a superpower?

Absolutely? I think bald is beautiful and I think you know that deep down because you married a beautiful bald man as well. And I am doing this job in part to advocate for the baldmen of New Zealand. You talk about positive affirmative action. That's what it is. It's like the baldman. I want all the bald Meant News to know they are deeply loved, you know, by their prime minister.

Absolutely? I think bald is beautiful and I think you know that deep down because you married a beautiful bald man as well. And I am doing this job in part to advocate for the baldmen of New Zealand. You talk about positive affirmative action. That's what it is. It's like the baldman. I want all the bald Meant News to know they are deeply loved, you know, by their prime minister.

You know you can you can. That is it. That is it. That is a section of the voters you can go for hard. Hey, Chris, thank you very much to to you next week.

You know you can you can. That is it. That is it. That is a section of the voters you can go for hard. Hey, Chris, thank you very much to to you next week.

Look after yourself.

Look after yourself.

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