There's an unclear picture of what New Zealand's losing from people moving overseas. 

About 70 thousand Kiwis left the country last year. Of those, 38% were people aged 18 to 30.  

New Zealand had a net migration gain of 27,000 migrants in 2024, just a fraction of the 128,000 gained in 2023. 

Infometrics Principal Economist Brad Olsen told Mike Hosking while there's clear data on the people arriving, it's not the same story for departures.  

He says there's no strong evidence of what skills are leaving, only anecdotes. 

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There's an unclear picture of what New Zealand's losing from people moving overseas.&nbsp;
About 70 thousand Kiwis left the country last year. Of those, 38% were people aged 18 to 30. &nbsp;
New Zealand had a net migration gain of 27,000 migrants in 2024, just a fraction of the 128,000 gained in 2023.&nbsp;
Infometrics Principal Economist Brad Olsen told Mike Hosking while there's clear data on the people arriving, it's not the same story for departures. &nbsp;
He says there's no strong evidence of what skills are leaving, only anecdotes.&nbsp;
LISTEN ABOVE&nbsp;

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Brad Olsen: Infometrics Principal Economist on the lack of information on the skills being lost due to migration

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"We've answered every question": Hipkins defends decision not to front Covid Inquiry 

Labour leader Chris Hipkins says he's already answered the Covid Inquiry Commissioner's questions, negating any need for him to appear publicly. 

Hipkins and former Ministers Dame Jacinda Ardern, Grant Robertson, and Ayesha Verrall declined open hearings, leading the second part of the inquiry to be called off. 

Hipkins says lawyers raised several issues around them appearing, including setting a precedent and possible abuse.

He told Mike Hosking he doesn't see the point in repeating the process.  

Hipkins says the Commissioners themselves have said former ministers have answered every single question put to them and they are seeking no further information. 

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<h2>"We've answered every question": Hipkins defends decision not to front Covid Inquiry&nbsp;</h2>
Labour leader Chris Hipkins says he's already answered the Covid Inquiry Commissioner's questions, negating any need for him to appear publicly.&nbsp;
Hipkins and former Ministers Dame Jacinda Ardern, Grant Robertson, and Ayesha Verrall declined open hearings, leading the second part of the inquiry to be called off.&nbsp;
Hipkins says lawyers raised several issues around them appearing, including setting a precedent and possible abuse.
He told Mike Hosking he doesn't see the point in repeating the process. &nbsp;
Hipkins says the Commissioners themselves have said former ministers have answered every single question put to them and they are seeking no further information.&nbsp;
LISTEN ABOVE&nbsp;

Best of 2025: Chris Hipkins defends decision not to front Covid Inquiry on the Mike Hosking Breakfast

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Hasn’t working from home become funny? 

Seek have produced a thing called Money Matters, and they look at work-life balance. 

Actually, hasn’t that become a thing as well – work-life balance. I can't place it exactly, but it seems like a Covid thing. The world changed and so did we. 

Working hard is now so last year, or so last decade. We all long for work-life balance with a good sprinkling of mental health days. 

But working from home is a scam because according to Money Matters if you got a pay rise you would go back to the office quick as you like. 

So is it about work-life balance or is it about money? 

Everything is about money. We just like to pretend it isn't. You feel more virtuous if you pretend it isn't about money. 

But Money Matters spills the truth. Working from home is easier, we save on the commute, you claim you are more productive, blah blah blah. "Hey, how about 20% more?" Then you're out of there. 

We would work more hours for more money, we would take on an increased workload for more money, and we would commute further for more money. 

There isn't much we wouldn't do for more money. 

The work from home thing, by the way, is funny because before Covid there was virtually no such thing. The idea that you could invent a thing and then having invented it, because we were all locked down anyway, turn it into a permanent thing that could only be broken by a pay rise is the ultimate in farce. It's an insight into how quickly a habit can form if it suits you. 

Anyway, the only other thing that can make us blow up our precious work-life balance is more time off. 

But it still doesn’t beat money. 

It's why lotto is popular I guess – money solves everything. 

Do we value work-life balance? My word we do. 

But do we value it more than money? Don’t make me laugh. 

Hasn’t working from home become funny?&nbsp;
Seek have produced a thing called Money Matters, and they look at work-life balance.&nbsp;
Actually, hasn’t that become a thing as well – work-life balance. I can't place it exactly, but it seems like a Covid thing. The world changed and so did we.&nbsp;
Working hard is now so last year, or so last decade. We all long for work-life balance with a good sprinkling of mental health days.&nbsp;
But working from home is a scam because according to Money Matters if you got a pay rise you would go back to the office quick as you like.&nbsp;
So is it about work-life balance or is it about money?&nbsp;
Everything is about money. We just like to pretend it isn't. You feel more virtuous if you pretend it isn't about money.&nbsp;
But Money Matters spills the truth. Working from home is easier, we save on the commute, you claim you are more productive, blah blah blah. "Hey, how about 20% more?" Then you're out of there.&nbsp;
We would work more hours for more money, we would take on an increased workload for more money, and we would commute further for more money.&nbsp;
There isn't much we wouldn't do for more money.&nbsp;
The work from home thing, by the way, is funny because before Covid there was virtually no such thing. The idea that you could invent a thing and then having invented it, because we were all locked down anyway, turn it into a permanent thing that could only be broken by a pay rise is the ultimate in farce. It's an insight into how quickly a habit can form if it suits you.&nbsp;
Anyway, the only other thing that can make us blow up our precious work-life balance is more time off.&nbsp;
But it still doesn’t beat money.&nbsp;
It's why lotto is popular I guess – money solves everything.&nbsp;
Do we value work-life balance? My word we do.&nbsp;
But do we value it more than money? Don’t make me laugh.&nbsp;

Best of 2025: Mike's Minute - Here's the truth on working from home

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Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson joined Mike Hosking once again to Wrap the Week that was. 

On today’s agenda was the gender pay gap, the Tom Phillips situation, and Kate finally got her chance to call out Mike’s behaviour from the week. 

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Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson joined Mike Hosking once again to Wrap the Week that was.&nbsp;
On today’s agenda was the gender pay gap, the Tom Phillips situation, and Kate finally got her chance to call out Mike’s behaviour from the week.&nbsp;
LISTEN ABOVE&nbsp;

Best of 2025: Kate calls out Mike during Wrapping the Week on the Mike Hosking Breakfast

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/7784f840-c291-422a-924b-ad9000bbad71/clips/818ffc6b-a731-4f23-8a71-b3cd014180c7/transcript

Brad Olsen: Infometrics Principal Economist on the lack of information on the skills being lost due to migration

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