If not DEI, then what?

Published May 23, 2025, 9:00 AM

On this episode of The Middle, we ask how the nation can reckon with past and present injustices and ensure equal opportunity for all Americans, if not through DEI. Jeremy is joined by ACLU President Deborah Archer, author of the new book Dividing Lines, and political commentator Kmele Foster, co-host of the Fifth Column podcast and editor-at-large of Tangle News. DJ Tolliver joins as well, plus calls from around the country. #DEI #race #diversity #equity #inclusion #woke #Trump #racism

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