This week, Barney and Dr Ellie Cannon ask the question: did the health harms of putting our kids through lockdown and school closures during Covid outweigh any potential benefits? We hear from Professor Stephen Griffin, who supported the lockdowns but believes they should not be a strategy for future pandemics; and to Molly Kingsley, parent and co-founder of the campaign group Us For Them, who rejected the idea of school closures from the beginning of the pandemic and reflects on the abuse she received for speaking on behalf of the children who suffered throughout the pandemic.