It's im mediated podcast. All right, everybody, we're here for a special, very special episode drop short and sweet, very concise. You asked for it, and we're giving it to you. It is the official and official Chettika episode, probably named after Chester. Yeah, but there's something that I just learned about, Like what chettike it actually means in Australia. I know it sang in Australia. Is that where this is from? I'm guessing you can tell because some of the word choice. I say. We start by saying what our version of cheike it is. First, just introduce that to the people. Chetik it is outdoors etiquette as funneled through chet Chester's brain, who is the nicest man on the nicest man in the world. And not only that, but it sounds good like if Yanni was into etiqutte, as we pointed out, and you called it Yanna Kitt. No one's gonna care about that. It sounds like a holiday, Yeah it does. But chettick it sounds great, Ryan n Kitt because you care about that clay a kit that's stupid. So it's chettictt And then uh yeah, so so Chetika leads the thing. We went out to the audience and got all their conundrums and manners, a lot of them tons, moral quandaries, moral quandaries that come from outdoor live and we're gonna be giving advice and to help us here today we have Clay Nukam, Mark Kenyon from Wired to Hunt, Hello Loo, Ryan Old cal Callahan, and Chester the Investor is here as well. Not only that, but we have Luke Combs joining us. And I'll point out too that this special drop, the special episode is sponsored by Columbia PFG. If you're thinking yourself, tells that stands for It stands for Columbia Performance Fishing Gear, proud protector of the skin on your back and the waters you love. They are backers of captains for clean water and they make a lot of great stuff to help you stay out in the sunshine without destroying your skin and then winding up being my age and having uh you know, it helps to keep dermatologists from needing to like whittle away little parts of you. I have a great super terminal tackle vented hoodie. UM. I used to run around in the sun all the time in a T shirt or nothing, and I never wore a hearing protection when I shot firearms, and those are two things I'm trying to correct. It's too late, but I'm trying. It's better late than never. It's true. Luke, you where you're a black isn't it like a black um fishing shirt? For like most of your concerts? Yeah, I wear the yeah, like all of them. Literally, it's kind of like the only thing I wear um performance. Uh, you know, it's the Bahama two. The black Bahama two is what I've been wearing. Yeah, like literally every show for seven seven years. Probably kind of like a lucky Wow. Yeah, just have the one though. That's it's just this starting to you know, after after thousands of shows, starting to wear out a little bit. You know. Luke Holmbs has a new album out. Tell us about that loop, Yeah, I do, I do um. It's called Getting Old, which I think is is fitting. Um, you know, I don't know. I guess for me, it's just a bit of you know, everyone's like, man, you're thirty three, you're not getting old, you know, And I was like, well, it's more of it. I guess coming of age right would have been kind of the thing. Right. So I've been married, you know for I'm you know, coming up on three years an album my wife for seven. Um, you know, we got second kid on the way, I get first one at the house, you know, and um, just I don't know, life is, life is changing in a lot of ways, and UM, I really want to you know, continue to grow with with my fan base and and write songs that I'm passionate about that I feel like speak to you know, my life and where it is now and and I think that probably correlates pretty strongly to um where a lot of my fans lives are at as well. And so I just want to always kind of you know, continue to be to be true to myself and you know, as I as I keep putting music out, and um, this album's kind of the first step in that direction for me as someone who is legitimately getting old. Um, I'd like to point out that the character that the getting old person, the character the representation of Luke still has a little fight left in him. I mean, come on, oh for sure, it's got a little get up and go left in him. Was not quite as as it once was. Absolutely, man, Absolutely it's more focused. What's the what's the best song on the album, Luke? Your opinion? Got one, just one. I think it's that one. Um, if I could only pick one, I mean my favorite, I don't know, probably maybe like Where the Wild Things Are? It's great. I think, um back forty back for me is up there. Um, guy, there's a bunch man. I love him all dude. It's a hard question for me when I listened, when I listened to the album and its entirety. The first time I texted Luke and I was, uh pleasantly surprised, surprised that he covers Tracy Chapman's fast Card. Yeah, classic tune there and I thought, I thought was I thought it was a good move, man, I like it did Dan? Did Dan and Red help you with a few of these are? Yeah? Yeah, Dan and Reid have written I think Reid's two or three on here. I mean, I know, I think Dan has like six. I think I want to hear. So. Yeah, they helped me out quite a bit for sure. If you look up. So so Luke's gonna stick around, You're gonna help us out, and that you're gonna help us out with the etiquette take on it. I'll tell you the stories and then you got to work up with what your suggestion is, but but it was We wanted to point out Karin typed in chattiket into the Urban dictionary. Mm hmm is that what dictionary this is? Yeah, yeah, but it was drafted in June sixteen, twenty twenty one, which means, uh, we'd already come up with chatt kit by then, wouldn't that be true? I think so, Yeah, it's been. That would have been right around almost almost two years. So the Australian thing is not that far off. It's chattikit um. It's not a real word. Smith to put it together. But that's bad chetket man or that's bad chetic it mate, meaning to be a knob or a ceu next Tuesday. In social situations, them being very free and easy with that that particular expression in that part of the world. Uh, okay, here's our first chat. Here's our first ethical conundrum. It involves it's called your ex wife's new husband. You know it's gonna be bad. Wow, Okay. Guy goes on, there's a nice piece of family owned property. You're following, nice piece of family owned property large enough for four to five hunters max that has great deer and small game hunting. But a limited amount of said game. During the divorce, it's decided that the land will stay with the husband so that the near adult kids can continue to use it, with the clause that if the land ever gets sold, then fifty percent of the profit goes to the ex wife. Subsequently, the ex wife remarries and the new husband is a public land hunter who's licking his chops at the chance to hunt some new private land. So even though the ex wife tells the new husband he can hunt the property because it's half hers, does the etiquette question fall on the ex husband to allow or not allow the new husband to hunt the property? Or it does it fall on the new husband? This becomes very loaded. Well, it sounds like the question, well can we clarify something? Question too? Can I finish? Go ahead? I finished the question, I got the answer already, so yeah, I'm going to finish the question. Yeah, because it's becomes very So far, it's done a pretty good job, right, But then it becomes loaded. Does the adiquatete question fall on the x husband to allow or not allow the new husband to hunt the property? Or doesn't fall on the new husband to do the right thing and just stay off the property a right answer, dude, I think legally, I mean, first off, no shot this guy's getting on this there's no shot. There's no scenario I'm letting this guy on this place in any way, right, there's no shot. And legally, as long as it doesn't get sold, it's it's the husband, the ex husband's right. Legally, that's what they agree to. Yeah, so I think the etiquette's not even in the question. I think it's legal sense of like, yeah, I mean there's a little bit of etiquette in there with the the the husband who actually owns it. The first dude in the picture, like being a nice guy, but still he's he's dating. Is you don't need to be nice to your ex wife's husband. No, No No, there's there's your your your question that there's a dynamic that's much bigger than we can speculate on. But let's say there's a split and in the in the couple, the former couples trying to be amiable and they're trying to I mean, there would be a scenario. I don't think that's what they're shooting for. It doesn't sound like we need, you know, what we need with all these is a state we need to know what state it is. I think it would make a big difference. I'm going to speak to the from my answer. I'm going to speak to the X husband, and I'm gonna ask if if you're listening out there and you're the and you're the X husband, I'm gonna ask this question. The answer to this question is the answer to this conundrum. If you remarry and your new wife okay says I'd sure like to go out there hunting with you, Are you gonna say no? That's the only thing that to me, that's it. If he says, no way in hell, I'd let my new wife hunt that place. It's for our new adult kids. But did they fall If he's like, oh no, my my new wife can hunt it, but my x wi's new husband, no way, then that I think that's a that's a that's a double standard. Yeah. But he owns it though, right, it's his yeh, didn't he have more share in it? It's not solely for the use of the children. He owns it so that the children can use it, right, that's what it sounded like. Yeah, so the hunt it himself. Yeah, I gather he can hunt it with the near adult kids. Let's let's put it to vote. Cal where do you think about this? It's not worth it, like, just not not worth it. Go find someplace else to hunt. You're speaking to the new husband. Yeah, honestly, the whole group. It's like it sounds so like it's mentally it will be far easier and your successes will be far greater if you do not step foot on this place. Donate it to somebody, right, donate it to conservation. Yeah, all right. To clarify, these aren't hypotheticals. These are real life. Okay, these are real life situation. There's a there's a real husband and ex husband dealing with this right now. No, there's a whole show called Yellowstone that is dealing with this right now. So is there an answer in there? The answer I think like if you Okay, there's there's two questions. Let's let's put this way. We need to there's an answer for the new husband. My answer for the new husband, um, my answer for the new husbands, I wouldn't go there, agreed. No, My answer for the ex husband is, if you would take again, if you would allow your new wife to hunt it, you should let her new husband hunt it. But I think you do that with the assumption and going in there, but he'll never take me up on it. I think you would be like, Wow, the nice thing to do would be like say yes, sure, But in the back of your mind you're thinking, I'm sure he will realize I'm just trying to be nice and he will back away because of how awkward this whole situation would be. Well, he is quote licking his chops. Man. Yeah, I mean maybe they like each other, though, who knows? Do you want anybody? I think this would be a way better show. Kari should have all these people in the new husband the old husband's friends sat. Okay, So let's Doug Duran sharing the land. This okay. These folks set up a share system based on the calendar year. They have their primary shareholders, which are the near adult children adult kids, um, which it's like, what's the syndrome where they stay in the nest forever? I know, empty noess, Yeah, the failure to launch. That's what we're dealing with here and away. They're your primary shareholders. They agree on a certain amount of equity let's say that can be purchased by putting in sweat, you know, mitigating noxious weeds, taking down old tree stands, maybe some controlled burning, something fun like that that buys them shares in the remaining calendar year that the primary share shareholder. Doesn't this sound like fun to everybody? Yeah? Yeah, I mean you're like really assuming a lot of you know, like that's right, it's like, oh for sure, but it's to me, it'd be way easier than like, um oh boy, I wonder what people will think of this. Oh, he actually took me up on it. Oh do you think it's right that he invited her out? I mean, turn my back on the whole thing. Yeah, more I think about it. I only have a message for the new husband. Sounds like a nightmare for sure. My messag new husbands. Do you just go the other direction? Man? Yeah, yeah, here's one. Here's one. Won't take any time. It's interesting. Oh wait, I'm sorry, I got it, new husband. Go buy yourself a sweet Walley or bass boat like top of the line, all the stuff. Make sure there's a couple other seats that go completely unoccupied in it, and just take lots of pictures of your Your day is out on the water by yourself with empty seats around you. Yeah, I like that when ice fishing and you see a guy gal just slaying fish, I can picture this and they pack up and leave. How long should you wait before sliding into fish the hotspot? Zero zero zero? Yeah, because somebody else's probably gonna be running right for it. I would do less than waiting to be over there. Oh you guys are packing up? Are you all about to leave them? Right? I mean you do understand that you're exchanging a little bit of dignity. You're eating some humble pie and exchange for the for fish for the hot hole? Yeah, which is fine. You know I would probably I would probably go over if I found myself in this situation. I know, cal does this, Like you just go up and talk to those fellows and you know, you guys leave him and hop right in there. Yeah. Yeah, that's why it's That's why I was like, that's why I had kids, is if you have kids, even when you see like when they're slaying, you might go up and you can put it on and you'd be like, hey, you know, my kid really love to catch you fish man. If you guys or getting out of here, if you wouldn't mind letting me know so I can help my kid, catch a fish right right? You put all that on a kid. Okay, here's the one called calling for fun. Spring gobbler came in here in upstate South Carolina, April first. For the last two weeks, every morning after I dropped two of the three kids off at school, I take the cut road home, where I know turkeys are often in a vast crop field. His choice of words, vast crop field. I'll pull over, put the windows down and call to them for a while to see if I can get them fired up. Totally understandable. Yesterday, signed Luke Combs. I'll pull over, put the windows down, get them firt up. This is a large private egg field that, as far as I can tell, has no interest in hunting these birds. I think what he means, As far as you can tell, no one's hunting the birds. The other day, when the season came in, I pulled over to throw some calls out when I noticed a truck on the other wooded side of the road, which is a different property. Okay, I figured it to be a hunter after some birds. What would be the chetta kit with regards to me calling for fun off a public road to birds out in the field. When there is a hunter somewhere in dem woods trying to bag one. Can can he hunt that field? It sounds like simple? Then yes? Then then I mean why mess with it? Why during the season? Like yeah, I think I think before season you can Luke combs it and you can do that. But when season starts, you gotta back out. You can't be calling on people other people's birds, just for specially when there's a guy sitting out there. Yeah, especially you know he's calling the same birds. It's not like there's you know, he's trying to get the same birds to the spot he's at and you're out there just on the way to work, like sending in the other direction. Best case scenarios, the birds come, there's nothing you can do anyways, Yeah, you can't do anything. So why you know? Here's a trickier one. I like this one better. It's called family members mooching. This takes place near This guy says he's not far from Bubbly Doug's farm in southwest Wisconsin, and in fact, he has met Bubbly Doug. He says, my family has owned a farm in southwest Wisconsin for over one hundred years. People always like to us a comment quick comment here. Um, I don't know that that matters, but anyhow, there is a brushy dick means he's proud of it. Steve, Oh, I know, I know what he's getting at here. I know I where he's going with us there. Um, there is a brush. I pay attention here because this gets this gets counted, It starts, this gets geographical. There's a brushy ditch that sets up nicely for deer drives or mooches. Every year we seem to push a nice buck out and have killed many out of this small easy drive over the years, usually after opening day, pressure pushes them into this ditch. A few years ago, my dad sold a number of acres as he's nearing retirement, and this ditch and pasture were part of that sale. Here's where it gets complicated, folks. He goes on to say this, and I'm quoting my uncle, and then a parenthetical and neighbor was aware of the sale and also well aware of this particular deer drive. My intern repretation and Chester and I discuss this. My interpretation is, even though the family has done this dear drive historically, my interpretation is this uncle has not been part of this deer drive. So even though he's saying, my family does this deer drive on this brushy ditch, I'm gathering here and analyzing it with Chester or he was allowed to hunt it, and he just but we gotta just go with one, dude, because it can't be both, because it's way different. Yeah, so retract what you said, take that back, apologize, we can. We can analyze that down the roll. But like it gets because you know what I mean. Yes, they're therein lies the therein is the thing. Yeah, we'll tackle both. We'll tackle both, but if you don't mind, I'd like for you to start with it. Already sounds semi legal. Whatever we're getting it already sounds shading. My uncle and neighbor was aware of the sale and also well aware of this particular deer drive we have done for the past few decades and aware of its success the very first year after the sale, not only that, the very first day of deer season, so they historically waited untill later in the season. The uncle, on the first day of the new year after the sale, the first day of deer season after the sale, goes to the new buyer and says, hey, can I do a deer drive in the brushy draw we just sold you sure, and doesn't bust in there and does the drive and doesn't. Sounds like uncle might not be a great hunter too. Sounds like yeah, or like in the family, he says, Christmas has never been the same since that fateful deer drive. I mean, at least invite the family. There's nothing wrong with him asking permission to go do it. He kind of beat him to it, because he could have been the hero of the family. Yeah, he could could have been like, guess what, everybody, I got us all permission to go do the That's a good point. He could have been like, man, I know everybody's been super bummed out since dad had to sell the place, But I wouldn't talk to the guy and everybody. Guess what, we could continue the deer drive, right, But it feels like he may be taking vengeance out for like you're saying, having never been a part of the deer drive. It's what it now. It sounds like to me there's another thing that could be See. You know, if these folks are listening, um, Lauren Laramie Laramie's listening, you better not be leaving out some details here. He has a shaky uncle dave. You know, a guy who's super dangerous to h Oh no day of that guy. Oh yeah, my kids will come running home by how they got yelled at by some old man I don't know where out of the blue. I'm like, let's just hate kids. What happened? Whoa? You know? We were in his yard with her bows and practicing fire shot it over towards his house and and uh bye and bye he yelled, get off of his yard. Like okay, that makes you know, I think your your point as well, taking their se because it's real clear that the way the story's told and it's been presented that this guy, it's like, yeah he was shady, But if you had that guy in here, he might be the same one of the bunch and say, you know what I had, you know, I mean there's a thousand different ways this could go, and you could you could take a kind of a character assessment and he might be like, you know what, those guys were outlaws and they were killing more dear than they should and they were doing this and we never liked that. We always wanted to manage the land. I mean, he might have a story it's possible. It's possible. Maybe the uncle's an ultruist in that we haven't talked about how he's where he's pushing this drive. Maybe he's going to drive the deer back onto The kind of lingering question was like, did he not even call anyone to say, hey, heads up, right? Because sometimes you get permission and you're not even prepared for permission, right, Like oh, I bumped into the person at the post office and they said, hey, my family comes out next week. If you want to hunt, you can hunt tomorrow, but just you and just you right, And you're like, good, right, that's true, that's true. Or how about this, let's say the dad. Let's say the uncle used to own that place, but the dad came over his place and tripped and fell on the ice and did a dirty lawsuit and one that land back unfairly interesting. We don't We don't know anymore. And what we got to see here, there's a lot of takes. What we do, what we have to go by, complicated by what we have to go by. Just that's it. By the version that we have heard, um that the uncles will blow hard. Does does Chester get a final say on any of these given that this is Chettikett. Yeah, yeah, we could do that. I would declare a winner. Yeah, I'm just putting myself in old uncle's shoes. And uh, I would definitely invite the family to do that, dear drive, at least gave them heads up or explain my situation and not just go out there and do it. Because if it was like, oh, I'm the only one that can do this, drive, but be ready because you guys know where they're going to run, Like Mark was saying, um, yeah, just let them know, communicate. It's really easy. But that's great advice. Chester. But if you're the uncle, there also begs the question you're the uncle for a minute, mhm, why did you go ask permission to hunt the ditch? Because because I really like deer hunting and that's okay. Here here's a good one. This is one. This is one of those I don't I honestly don't know the answer to this, but I'm developing an opinion ready for this right and again, what Jester will have the final say? Checking other folks trail camps. I'm sure Marks anything Mark knows about so situation we place trail camps on public land as part of our scouting process. While doing this, every once in a while we'll find another hunter's camera. We usually hike around with a small laptop while placing ours. So the question is ding ding? Would it be bad etiquette to open the other guy or gals camera and take a look at the card and then place it back leaving no trace meaning it's on public land. Yeah, so my take is that that is poor Chetti kid in my opinion. Yeah, it might not lead to some kind of negative outcome because it's still there, But how many times for those who use cameras, have you turned one on and off, took a card out, put it back in and something goes wrong with the settings, Like you're just risking some kind of issue, and it just feels kind of dirty, like you're pulling up someone else's hood and looking in just interfering with something that's not yours. And who knows this person might have just stumbled upon this trail camera and looks at the pictures and the next thing you know, he's like holy cow, and he's now in your hunting spot and you put all the work in and put that camera out. Just I'd like to ask the guy that rolled in I'd say this to them. I'd be like, let's say you park your truck on public land and you come back and there's a guy kind of sitting in your truck going through everything. Yeah, he's like, Oh, I'm gonna take anything, man, I'm gonna taking anything. It's some public land, bro. I do ask folks who are big into trailcams why they put the trail cams out. I'm like, you know, it's a great hunting spot, You've shot big deer there. Why would you advertise to other people that you have an interest in that spot? So they're probably not that far along yet. I'm like, you're kind of running the risk of somebody pulling up your hood. And take a look at what I've done in a couple of situations with the trail cameras. Is I've put I've written. I've got a picture on my phone of writing with a black marker on a trail camera on public land. You right on the camera. I wrote my name and my phone number, and I said, please don't steal I'll share the pictures with you if you call me. I'll had a lot on it. Oh your camera, I thought you were my camera on public land in a locked box that they could have beat off a tree and stolen or something. And I wrote on there my phone number, and I said, if you find this chill camera and you don't steal it, call me. I'll share all the pictures. Have you ever gotten a phone call? You never got a picture. I did have somebody come up and check it, like I just saw their legs and they and actually didn't have a lock on the camera at the time. On the box. They opened it up, took the camera out, and then put it back, so I very well may have checked it. I did the name and phone number on a camera mine like a decade ago, and it did get stolen. They stole it. They returned it to Cabella's to get money for it, and then Cabella's after after taking that return, looked on the back of the camera, saw the name and number and called me and said, hey, I think someone stole your camera and we have it here at the store and I got it back. Yeah. Really, you know that'd be a good way to double how many cameras you got t tell your body return to camera. So chaster was the final thing. Check him or don't check him? Don't check him? Man it just feels dirty. I like Clay's little thing, lock it and putting a name on it. It's kind of like here I am. You know, it's very similar to that. If you find somebody else's tree stand on public land, you go sit it, and I feel the same way about it. I'm not gonna touch it if it's a permanent Yeah, it's like in the old days when you used to just nail them up there out of wood. I think that's that's just that's that becomes part of the tree in my bo. But I mean if someone puts a hang on and climbing sticks. I know some people go and sit in somebody else's stand, but I feels the same way to me. What's your view on leaving tree stands? I would public land, I would say, not having like a moral take on him, but just it doesn't seem practical to me because you're risking people coming in taking it or doing what call just mentioned, like seeing your spot and being like, oh someone else thought this is good. Yeah, more an etiquette on leaving the camera. But I also want people. I want people to understand it's like by putting that out there, you you have already given them something Mark. One of the best ones that Ease we ever got was a guy who was in sort of a tree stand duel with someone where they each had climbers latched onto a tree, and they were he was practicing a certain sort of etiquette where he would always attach his down below the same tree. Yeah, so if he hunted the tree, he would move his stand down below as a courtesy so that the other guy would be able to climb and not have to undo his like a climber, and the guy wouldn't return the courtesy. And how they were supposed to sort that out? So many of these have to do. What's amazing. There's one guy says, dear Chat, I would like your opinion. The subject is when you're hunting, buddy never invites you hunting it no more do not? We do not, So, dear Chat, I would like your opinion on a quandary I have with a hunting buddy. A while ago we started upland bird hunting together. Neither of us had a dog, so that first season was pretty tough. By the following season I had a bird dog and we started to do much better. About that time, he started waterfoul hunting. My issue is that he always asked to go hunting with me and my dog, and I've even been nice enough to change my plans to make it easier for him to come. However, he has never once invited me to go waterfowl hunting with him, And this is sticking in my craw. He isn't shady about going. He'll send me pictures of the ducks he kills. I've dropped hints that I'd like to go, but still no invite. I was raised to believe it's bad manners to invite yourself along. It's been ten years. You don't have a hunting buddy, you have a hunting parasite. Yeah. Yeah, what if he doesn't have like, what if he's not like, obviously he's leeching off this dude's dog, So you think he's not just leeching off the duck dudes or whatever? Is he going to hunt on his own if he's hunting, if he's hunting with somebody else, they might be like, well, don't invite anybody else. Oh that's all I mean, that goes beyond what we know. So the person writing in now, you suckers who've written in here, um, you gotta understand if you think you're gonna to be emboldened here, you gotta understand that we're going off. But you told us and if you're leaving out important details and you gotta live with it. But Luke, ten years, they've had ten years morning truck rides together, late night truck rides home. Like you can't bridge the gap on Like, so, tell me about your duck hunting situation. Yeah, like what's going on? Like that's true, man, maybe just asked man, you know what I mean, there's don't ask to go and there there's there's also trades in hunting that aren't fair. It's like if somebody's like, hey, Clay comes squirrel hunting with me, and I go squirrel hunting with them and kill like four squirrels and they're like, hey, now you owe me a bear hunt, and it's like sure, I mean, there's definitely some stuff in here that is probably left out, you know, but we only got it. We can only go But like, I know, but I just can help myself to think, like we got to assume. We got to assume that the person on the other end of the story isn't hearing the answer. M okay. So we're we're talking to the person that wrote in and if they have missed key pieces of stuff that's on them. Yeah, because unlike you know, like a trial, right, everybody comes in and you get to fish it all out. But here it's just that's what you got to go by. But ten years, I mean ten years is a lot of people in my life that we you know, started in a very similar fashion of like, hey, have you tried this spot? Have you tried that spot? And this kind of scenario has played out where it's like I'm happy to lend gear, I'm happy to point people in the right direction. I'm happy to have you along. But eventually, I would say like four or five seasons max. If none of those favors are they don't need to be returned, but they absolutely need to be offered. Yeah, they have to be offered. If that doesn't happen, then it's like you gotta Yeah. One lesson I've picked up as I've gotten older. I think when you're young, like a high school whatever, you're, you and your bodies, you share a lot of gripes, right, I mean that's the age when you like actually getting fights with your buddies, like you get like, it's not uncommon to get like in a physical fight with your your friend right at that age. And I think you enter into a long time of just out of respect or not wanting to make waves, you leave a lot unsaid. Um, but I don't I think there would be a way for this guy, like you said in the ten in the ten years, for this guy to say, Man, I there's been something on my mind. Um, I just gotta ask you, Uh, how can we don't hunt talks again? Yeah? You remember nine years ago? Yeah? Yeah, I felt like it's I feel like after ten years, man, you gotta be able to ask you know what I mean? Like, you get like you should definitely feel confident in asking this dude what what the deal is? Yeah, it's the worst you're gonna lose is you're gonna lose the guy that won't take you. I'm never gonna take you. Duck. On all these I find myself kind of rooting for the underdog a little bit because I think that there's a reason for this. I would think, I mean, maybe the guy goes man, I'm a member of a duck club that costs me, you know, fifteenth grand a year, and I can't take people like there's gotta be But I think he would have included that, yeah, does he split gas with you? Like that's I mean, there's there's some character things here that we just can't get into, you know. I just I just wrote an article, first article that I wrote for the me Eater website, and it was like how to be a good fishing partner. And there's like a lot of little things in there, you know, And if people stop doing that stuff, you're just not gonna get invited invited back. But I mean, in this particular case, I think the guy should Maybe I don't think they're actually that great of friends. Um maybe I don't know. If there's not able to communicate and if he's not getting invited, I don't know, maybe maybe consider trying to find a new duck hunting partner. Oh, Luke, you know, I keep forgetting to tell you that you ought to have floating around the back of your head Chester here. Uh, he's opening up form Trampled by Turtles again, and and and the show that he's opening for instantly sold out. Not instantly, that's a little minch. I think it's because Bozeman's shows sell out quick not because of me, particularly, don't don't include all those details. Chester Luca instantly sold out. I love it. What's the biggest place you could play? And I think that was the place Dallas Cowboy Stadium. Yeah, ms okay, ramp Chettako, that's the name of this question. A buddy mine, this is a good one. I know the answer, but this is a good one. A buddy of mine is a big time duck hunter. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how big time yas buddy mine is a big time duck hunter. We work overnight on the weekends. I can't tell if that matters. About a month or so ago, whenever, the last day of duck season was for him. He left work early at three a m. So he could go duck hunting. He hunts out of a kayak that he's strapped to the roof of his car. He got to the boat launch and there was a huge line of guy with real boats on trailers waiting to launch. Instead of waiting in the line and having to paddle out after all these guys with engines, he pulled off on the side of the public road, then carried his kayak in gear a half mile to the ramp. His whole walk down there, guys were honking and messing with him. But I don't think he was in the wrong. Was he in the wrong to pull off and skip the line again? If there's no if there's no other stuff left out, this guy is absolutely not in the wrong. Man. He carried his kayak a half mile parked out of the way. I have to say, as long as it doesn't interfere with the loading and unloading or boats at the ramp, yeah, absolutely, which it sounds like the system, it wouldn't. It's like, if he walks down that line and sticks his thing off the side, it's none of your business, right picture the string? Picture he's hunting on foot? Should he just stand there slowly walk up? Or he's swimming? Should I read it? A guy just in our parking lot there, there's a guy in a bike. There's a whole line of cars waiting to leave the parking lot here. I don't know what was going on the whole line of cars and this guy in the line on a bike. I get out of my truck and he's like, what this world needs is more cars, and uh, you know, I engaged with him. I engaged with him. But what you say, Well, I said everything about what I wanted to say, which is, why are you waiting in line with all the cars? Why are you pretending you're in a car. You're at a bike and enjoy it's freedom, like going to in their section and leave, Like, why are you standing in line behind six cars? Yeah? The bike is like always the first guy at the d I feel like I wouldn't be here talking to me. I'd be so far down the road by now because I'm going out and ridden down the sidewalk past everybody up and one of them and yeah Bozeman, Montana. Yeah Yeah. I was like, your problem is you think you're in a car, but you're so boat ramp at it. As long as you are not slowing down somebody else's day, it sounds to me like you made everybody's day faster. Good jobs. Yeah, anything to say on that one. I agree completely with what I think everyone else agrees with. Here, let me guy for the win. I'm gonna ask you just one Chester and you know it's a minor and the only one that can reply. A guy's got a big case of the ass about people that you're back in your boat down a ramp and you leave your headlights on, so the other dudes trying to use the lamp ramp are blinded by your headlights. He's like, do you think to turn your lights off? Um? Well, so what do you talk Is it like a double ramp. Yeah, it's a double ramp. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think you could turn turn your lights off. But it is nice to have, um, like some backup lights on so you can actually see on the sides of the ramps. Sometimes your trailer lights aren't enough, you know what I mean. When you flip your actual lights on, it like lights it up a little better out there. You would have never occurred to me to shut them off. I think they're just talking about busier boat ramps than than what I've been dealing with. I mean, when I read this one, I was like, oh, yeah, that that makes total sense. That's that's great because I I've had some some issues and non boat ramp scenarios with people leaving their high beams on or just like those new fancy, you know, modern headlights that people run that are seemed to be shockingly bright. But yeah, I'm trying to remember like at these at these tournaments when it's a double ramp if I if I shut my lights off or not, and I don't think I do. I mean you do it? Are you getting in before daylight? Does up? Do other people's lights bother you? I mean that seems like the thing that you would be not noticing. I mean not any more than like just driving a car down the road, because I've backed up boats so much that it's like, I don't know, dude, I say, get over it. If you're mad about somebody's headlights being in your eyes for like thirty seconds, dude, maybe you're not tough enough to back a boat down a public I mean, she's so sensitive. I think, dude, that's that's a little too much for me. I don't buy it. I don't buy that one. Okay. This one's called land borders and tree stands. This is the like of the etiquette questions that we've gotten. I would say, what percent have to do with something to do with tree stands? A decent amount? Yeah, it seems like fifty. I've hunted a certain sixty acre piece of agriculture woods ground for whitetail deer in western New York for five years now. It doesn't matter. I have no that's good five years whatever. It's not like for eighteen generations. I have sole permission from the owner. Points out that it's his girlfriend's grandparents. I wonder if that causes him to stay with that girlfriend. Depends how good of a property and it's not act no, you're like, He was like, I don't know, man, soon I feel like breaking up my girlfriend. And he's on the fence. How many Boone and Crocketts are coming out of Western New York ag Land though, like like a bunch, you know, it just might be best. He's gotta work with it. Boone felt when he went into Kentucky that first time. He's like, man, it's good hunting, but it's pretty sketchy. I have soule permission from the owner. Nobody got there, No, I got it. It was good. Okay, okay, I have soule permission from the owner friends grandparents, and have had to kick the neighbors to the east of the property off as well as asked them to remove their stands and cameras multiple times. There's one stand in particular that I'd like your opinion on. There is a cattle fence on sad to east side of the property. That divides landownership. This tree stand is a ladder stand, and the bottom of the ladder is The bottom of the ladder is on their side of the fence. But the tree they dude, I hate, the bottom of the ladders on their side of the fence, but the tree they use is on my side of the fence. I've never asked them about moving it because at the end of the day, they don't kill any deer in that spot around that property in general, because they're not good hunters. Should I be concerned that one day they will kill a big one out of that tree stand? So should I just ask them to move it? Now? Cut the tree down with them in it too. It's a your tree, it's your girlfriend's grandparents tree. Cut it down, game over. Don't even have to worry about it. Cheika, we've selected that tree for firewood. Diseased obviously. Yeah. Yeah, there's a whole thing like we've had. There's other ones that we didn't do that we just kind of skimmed by. There is like in human psychology, I don't care how many acres you give somebody. If there's a property boundary, yeah there, you're gonna put a stand on that line is always greater because you're like, they gotta have a lot of deer on the neighbor's place. Yeah, I'd like, Yeah, I'd like to hear Mark's take on this is just prop I I hate these ones, Like I said, property boundary tree stands, and I got my I got to give my two cents. Yeah, my two cents is they're they're the neighbors. You You're in the right on a lot of it. But you got to sort of be like how far do I really push this? Meaning if all my ass have been reasonable and they've gone along with it, do I need to now come to them with a thing where they're gonna be like, oh what'll what'll he? You know what I mean? Like, do you really need to like just push it and push it and push it to a point where you invite uh conflict? And this guy, let's in a beautiful spot because it's not even they're not his neighbors, so what's he care? It's his girlfriend's grandparents neighbors. So like I guess if he does force the issue, I don't know, it's weird to me, Like if your stand is ultimately in my tree, but I've been given permission to hunt a bunch of places. I have never been given permission to run off the neighbors, right, I'm like, so, are you getting sole permission to hunt? Or are you getting sole permission to hunt and manage the land as an you know, as a legal representative of the land. They wouldn't soule permission to hunt it give you the right to push off people that were illegally hunting it without permission. I would see definitely have the talk with the girlfriends folks in order to yeah and yeah, I mean I'd be like, hey, other folks are hunting. This is that okay with you? Did somebody given permission down the line? What's going on here? Right? Like? But are you really gonna I mean, yeah, the neighbors, the neighbors are in the wrong. But I think to Steve's point, like, is it worth fighting this any further? And what are you possibly gonna lose? Like you're possibly going to get this? You know they can move three feet over and yeah, right for but is it gonna be worth whatever bridge you're going to further burn? Yeah, we don't. We don't mind our neighbors back in Wisconsin hunting the property lines because our property is managed much more for deer and everything. And if anything, it they're they're not spared about getting to their stands. If anything, what it does is help us out because it pushes deer to the middle. It pushes deer and it keeps them kind of in. It's almost like a fence in a way. I guess here's here's a permission quick permission story. We got permission and have had permission on a on a little pond to duck hunt forever. Um. We went in there to duck hunt. The actual landowner got a call from the neighboring property accusing us of doing all sorts of Uh. You know, everybody thinks they're the center of the universe, right, So if you're hunting ducks on one property, of course they're manifesting ways that what your actions are doing are harming them in some way. Right. So there was that call to land and he's like, I don't I hate dealing with those guys. They're always rude blah blah blah blah blah, and and and he allows them to hunt the same pond on occasion as well. And I said, well, why don't you let us take take care of it, you know, we can go have that talk with him or whatever. And he's like, well, I get to run cattle on this chunk of ground in between my other two properties that they own, right, And it's just kind of a thing. So i'd it's worth it to him to put up with the weird hunting stuff on occasion because it makes life so much easier on the actual agriculture part of the conversation, right, the neighborly agreement type of things. And so that's why I do think of like, Okay, you got permission to hunt, but that's not necessarily permission to manage the property as a whole, because there could be the neighbors could very well be under the impression that, oh yeah, we never asked for permission to hunt, but we give the parents all these liberties on our place, and it's just kind of a known thing, even though they've never had the conversation. Right. So that's why I'm like t talk with folks and no specifically that you are able to say, hey, hunting season, you guys can't be on here. Yeah, if this letter had come from a grandpa saying, Hey, I'm a grandpa and I owned some land and these neighbors got a tree, stay in them, a tree that's different. Oh yeah, all right, lukey, got time for one and a half more? Oh yeah, of course. My chetickot question is I live in a state where I can legally harvest two white tail bucks, one with a firearm, one with archery equipment. I wounded and lost a buck that I am positive died during firearm season. The reason I'm not saying anything is I'm just wondering how positive and why he's positive? Right? Positive because he saw it laying dead on the neighbor's place and the neighbor wouldn't let him go get it. Or is he just thinking because of shot. Let's assume he's just thinking it's got to be dead, okay, right, he hasn't seen it, but he's saying like there's no way it lived. I then shot another buck and harvested it during the same firearm season. There's a late archery season. Would it be wrong to shoot another buck with my archery tag or should I consider both of my bucks being already tagged. A friend and I had a conversation about this. He thinks I have killed my two bucks and I should be done. But legally I can shoot another buck. So I don't see the problem. I mean your question, dude, that's what it is, right a little bit. I mean legally right, But we're talking about and I called the legal I think I think i'd be out. I personally, I think i'd be out. You know, best practice, best practice ethics, highest level ethics is yeah, you're out because the intent of the laws that you killed two deer. But but also there might be a situation when the year before when you passed on four bucks that everybody else could have shot but you didn't, and you needed the deer meat, and YadA, YadA. I mean, there's there's a lot of things that might that could make you go, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna follow the letter of the law, and yeah kill. This is definitely one of those kind of unwritten rule moral things, and it's probably just based on the person and like how you feel about it. You know, if you're shooting deer and you got your freezer's full and that stuff, yeah, probably probably don't do it. Like, but if you haven't, you've been out there trying to get some trying to get some meat in your freezer, and you know, you've been working your butt off, Sure, go go hunt get another deer. Do you might have a guess what state that is? Maybe Wisconsin, Missouri. I was like that, can you do? Can you? I mean, can you take does in that state, Wisconsin, in those particular states those states? Kid? Well, then then the meat question is out of it, right, Yeah, you don't have to kill a buck, good point to get meat. You know, you can just shoot a dough if you really needed meat. Right, Yeah, my take on it, I don't see your problem with it. If all respect, like all respect, if he's like, I'm sure that deer died, I'm done, don't feel right about it, I totally respect that. I would never be like, that's stupid, go get another one. I'd be like, man, that's that's big of you. That's cool. But if you said, you know what, I didn't recover it, I didn't tag it, I still got a tag, I'd be like, you're absolutely right, dude, I don't have any problems. And I think state game agencies account for a certain amount of loss in their you know, tag allocations, so like that're assuming a certain amount of that happening. Anyways, And to Clay's point, I've purchased god knows how many antler deer tags that have gone unfilled, right, I mean over the years. And yeah, there's another wrinkle I'll add here for this individual to consider. There's one hunt I'm I'm aware of and participate in. It's a big game hunt. And if you wound an animal and they don't ask you to determine how well or not well you wounded it, if you wound, you tag. So they have the ability if they want it to be that way, right, they have the ability to bake that into the regulations. It's not you know, it winds up being like pretty honor system. But it's possible for them to say, you know, if you draw blood or wounded animal, tag the animal. That's it. You're done, because it's that that's that is a thing that happens. Last one, is this especially appropriate? Um? Everybody in here, with the exception of Callahan, has kids. Um, Luke's got one and one on the way. Chelsea's got a brand new baby. So here it is. He says, not sure if this qualifies as chatti kit. I think it does, but we'll ask it anyway. As a new dad who also loves hunting, in firearms. A few episodes back, Steve mentioned that when his kids have friends over to play or for a sleepover, his wife will make the other parents aware that there are firearms in the house, but they are locked up and inaccessible. That I wanted that was true when we that was true in a particular setting. We lived in Seattle for a couple of years and firearm ownership was not assumed, and it is a very left leaning largely, I would say, largely, like you know, borderline anti gun area, and my wife knew that guns were highly politicized there. We weren't doing anything that we wouldn't have done. She was just pointing out they're locked in a safe and trigger locked, but they're here. If you have a problem with that, your kids shouldn't come over and be at the house because that's just what's going on in our house. So heads up, we don't do that. We don't do that where we live now because I can't think of anyone that comes over our house that doesn't. So that was a thing we did. He says, this hadn't crossed my mind, and I haven't had the chance to ask my parents. It's if they did this or if anyone has said it to them in the past. My son just turned ten months. It hasn't had any friends sleep over yet, But I want to know for the future if this is proper cheticit. Do people expect to be told about firearms in a home? He says that we live in southeastern Pennsylvania, right on the edge of suburban Philadelphia. I can see rural families saying no shit, so do we. But I can also hear some you know, timmy, like some kids mom being appalled by the idea of guns in the house. What do you think, man, I think it's I think I get what you're saying about in Seattle area like doing that because they could see guncase or whatever and then go back and kind of go tattling or whatever however you want to call it. But I think as parents, if you're responsible and you have these guns locked up, like actually locked up, I don't think I would say anything one because it might create problems and the parents might not want their kid to come over anymore or something like that. When it's totally not necessary. They should be a it will if you're gonna be against guns, you know, Like, I don't know, I think that if you're responsible to have a locked up I probably wouldn't say anything. Yeah. A thing I do feel absolute on is if you've got kids around, your kids, other kids, whatever, If you got kids around, you gotta have a tight program when it comes to gun storage. If it's done tight. Um. That was my wife's practice. I didn't argue it with her too much. I let her know that I thought it was a bit much. But it's half her house, right, she make calls that she you know, she don't mess with me. I'm not gonna mess with what she decides to tell people. I think it's a little bit beside the point. If they're talked away because it's it's it's it's not an issue. They can't get at them right right, Yeah, I mean they're in the safe especially, I mean trigger locks as well in the safe. I mean I personally, I mean, to me, there's no point in even bringing it up. But I would say it's a person person basis of like, if you feel like you need to address that with somebody and that makes you feel better about making them feel better than do it, you know what I mean. I don't think there's any right or wrong answer, Like you know, Obviously, doing the safe thing is what you should be doing. So I think that's really what's important, Like you're saying, but how you approach it is really what makes you feel better. You know. I got a friend who actually had this happen, and someone said to his wife, I'm not comfortable having my kids in a house that has guns in it, which his wife replied, well, don't come over to our house. Well, I was gonna say, I want to know where if my kids are going to someone's house that doesn't have guns, because you're like suspicious. I'm like, you're telling me if somebody comes and robs your house, what my kids aren't there? Are there? No, I don't think that the conversation needs to be had if everything's locked up right. I have a friend who's a detective in Boise and he lives in an area where you know, I would say gun ownership is not assumed. But when every single kid, this was years ago and his kids were at younger ages, found out that they're going over to the house and the dad's a cop, every single kid had questions about guns. And when that would come up, he would then call the parents or wait until the end of the play date, you know, and then talk to the parents and say, hey, your child has a bunch of questions about guns. I'm a detective. If you would like and be open to it, we can go. I can show kids guns, we can take them shooting, I can go through all the proper safety things if if that's something that you would be interested in, that's big, right. But there was no assumption of like showing somebody else's child guns because just because they asked, right, yep. And I always thought that that was a good move. But I don't you know, It's like there's a lot of things that are going on inside the Ronnella household that could be politicized in some way. Right, do you like what? I have no idea, right, But do you say, like, hey, howsoween candy. Here's a list of things that happen in our house. Just so you're aware, right, has nothing to do with the child's play date. I did one time have to go report to a neighbor a conversation that I got roped into where my daughter and her friend asked me is right after Chester and his wife. Chester's wife had the baby and they told the whole baby story, and my daughter and her friend. My daughter said to me, when your water breaks, does it all come out of your head? Led to this big one conversation that I then went to the neighbor and I said, hey, real quick, so this came up me and you and my daughter and your daughter. This came up and here's where the conversation landed. Just heads up in case it comes up. And he says, that's that's great. We use real words for real things in his household. So you're okay, We've had some laughs, but I'll joke on aside. Man um, if you've got little kids around, uh, and you can you can know that your kids are so disciplined and would never do something you told him not to do, and not my kids are not like that to all that all that prideful stuff about how discipline and respectful your kids are. If you've got young kids running around, you have to have a storage plan for firearms. You just do. I have. I'm one of the proudest dads out there that I know, but I know oftentimes we have our kids will do a thing they're not supposed to do, and any parent that's acting like that's not a thing is lying to themselves, and I don't know that they have the ability too if they're gonna now and then disobey as they test boundaries that they I can't guarantee you that they wouldn't choose to test the boundary around a gun that was carelessly left out land. You gotta have a program, Luke, thanks for joining man of course, thanks for having me, guys brought to you and get by Columbia PFG. Luke wears it on the stage. You wears it on the water. He's wearing it on his damn hat right now. I am I am Luke. Good luck with the with the album out and um, I'm sure people can watch for I know that I got some friends that are holding some tickets for one of your shows right now, and they're real excited about They actually sent me a picture of them. Yeah, we're excited. Man. It's been been a lot of fun, all right. We good luck man. Thanks to everybody else, thanks for sending a man. Keep the chattict questions coming and we will keep getting to them um as we can. We got I think like fifty one pages of them left for next time. Thanks everybody. Seeal gra shine like seing the sun all right, I sweetheart, we're done beat this damn horse to death, to take it to new one and ride a We're done beat this damn horse today, So take your new one and ride on.