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Mark Moss (@1MarkMoss) is joined again by guests Kyle Wunderli (@KyleWunderli) and Jessica Vaugn (@JessicaVaugn) to talk about major media figures choosing to be paid in bitcoin, how easier app access will expand bitcoin reach, and that inflation will lead more people towards bitcoin. Learn more about your ad-choices at <a href="https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com">https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com</a>

Welcome to The Mark Moss Show—where we break down the old-money system and equip you with the new money protocol to create, multiply, and preserve wealth in the digital age.

Hosted by Mark Moss, a Bitcoin-focused venture capitalist, seasoned entrepreneur, and educator with over 25 years of experience, this show is your blueprint for financial sovereignty. We challenge outdated financial models and explore bold strategies powered by Bitcoin, AI, decentralization, and innovation—giving you the knowledge to navigate today’s fast-changing economy.

We dive deep into macro trends, financial markets, and economic shifts, exposing the flaws of traditional finance and the power of sound money principles. Whether you're an investor, entrepreneur, or someone seeking financial independence, this show provides the real insights and battle-tested strategies you need to thrive.

From high-level business scaling insights to personal war stories of navigating boom-and-bust cycles, you’ll learn how to break free from restrictive financial systems and build unstoppable wealth on your own terms.

Welcome to The Mark Moss Show—where we tear down the permissioned gates of old money and help you take control of your future. Subscribe now and stay ahead of the financial revolution.

Welcome to The Mark Moss Show&mdash;where we break down the&nbsp;old-money system&nbsp;and equip you with the&nbsp;new money protocol&nbsp;to create, multiply, and preserve wealth in the digital age.
Hosted by&nbsp;Mark Moss, a Bitcoin-focused venture capitalist, seasoned entrepreneur, and educator with over 25 years of experience, this show is your&nbsp;blueprint for financial sovereignty. We challenge outdated financial models and explore&nbsp;bold strategies powered by Bitcoin, AI, decentralization, and innovation&mdash;giving you the knowledge to navigate today&rsquo;s fast-changing economy.
We dive deep into&nbsp;macro trends, financial markets, and economic shifts, exposing the flaws of traditional finance and the power of&nbsp;sound money principles. Whether you're an investor, entrepreneur, or someone seeking financial independence, this show provides the&nbsp;real insights and battle-tested strategies&nbsp;you need to thrive.
From high-level business scaling insights to personal war stories of navigating boom-and-bust cycles, you&rsquo;ll learn how to break free from restrictive financial systems and&nbsp;build unstoppable wealth on your own terms.
Welcome to&nbsp;The Mark Moss Show&mdash;where we tear down the permissioned gates of old money and help you take control of your future.&nbsp;Subscribe now&nbsp;and stay ahead of the financial revolution.

The Mark Moss Show

Welcome to The Mark Moss Show&mdash;where we break down the&nbsp;old-money system&nbsp;and equip you with the&nbsp;new money protocol&nbsp;to create, multiply, and preserve wealth in the digital age.
Hosted by&nbsp;Mark Moss, a Bitcoin-focused venture capitalist, seasoned entrepreneur, and educator with over 25 years of experience, this show is your&nbsp;blueprint for financial sovereignty. We challenge outdated financial models and explore&nbsp;bold strategies powered by Bitcoin, AI, decentralization, and innovation&mdash;giving you the knowledge to navigate today&rsquo;s fast-changing economy.
We dive deep into&nbsp;macro trends, financial markets, and economic shifts, exposing the flaws of traditional finance and the power of&nbsp;sound money principles. Whether you're an investor, entrepreneur, or someone seeking financial independence, this show provides the&nbsp;real insights and battle-tested strategies&nbsp;you need to thrive.
From high-level business scaling insights to personal war stories of navigating boom-and-bust cycles, you&rsquo;ll learn how to break free from restrictive financial systems and&nbsp;build unstoppable wealth on your own terms.
Welcome to&nbsp;The Mark Moss Show&mdash;where we tear down the permissioned gates of old money and help you take control of your future.&nbsp;Subscribe now&nbsp;and stay ahead of the financial revolution.

The Mark Moss Show Nov 12, 2021

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Sam Wouters joins Jake Roque to explore Bitcoin adoption trends today, including the surge in institutional demand and why retail interest feels more muted this cycle. Sam explains how companies like River are building Bitcoin banking, what it takes to live on a Bitcoin standard, and why proof of reserves is essential for trust. They also cover the growth of the Lightning Network as a payment system, break down proof of work vs proof of stake in simple terms, and discuss how many Bitcoin MSTR will end up with. 

TIMESTAMPS: 
0:00 — Episode Preview 
1:02 — Sam’s Journey Into Bitcoin 
3:52 — Bitcoin Adoption Trends and What’s Changing 
7:54 — Can You Fully Bank on River Today? 
10:27 — Why Proof of Reserves Is So Important 
14:58 — Lightning Network and Bitcoin as a Medium of Exchange 
21:05 — Biggest Roadblocks for Retail Bitcoin Adoption 
24:29 — Sats vs Bitcoin: The Unit Bias Problem 
31:36 — Retail vs Institutional Bitcoin Adoption Trends 
35:13 — Proof of Work vs Proof of Stake Explained 
52:15 — Institutional Adoption and Market Impact 
56:51 — Concerns About Strategy Buying Too Much Bitcoin 
1:00:18 — Fixing Money vs Turning Finance Into Gambling 
1:08:15 — Where to Find Sam 

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Sam Wouters joins Jake Roque to explore Bitcoin adoption trends today, including the surge in institutional demand and why retail interest feels more muted this cycle. Sam explains how companies like River are building Bitcoin banking, what it takes to live on a Bitcoin standard, and why proof of reserves is essential for trust. They also cover the growth of the Lightning Network as a payment system, break down proof of work vs proof of stake in simple terms, and discuss how many Bitcoin MSTR will end up with. TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 &mdash; Episode Preview 1:02 &mdash; Sam&rsquo;s Journey Into Bitcoin 3:52 &mdash; Bitcoin Adoption Trends and What&rsquo;s Changing 7:54 &mdash; Can You Fully Bank on River Today? 10:27 &mdash; Why Proof of Reserves Is So Important 14:58 &mdash; Lightning Network and Bitcoin as a Medium of Exchange 21:05 &mdash; Biggest Roadblocks for Retail Bitcoin Adoption&nbsp; 24:29 &mdash; Sats vs Bitcoin: The Unit Bias Problem 31:36 &mdash; Retail vs Institutional Bitcoin Adoption Trends 35:13 &mdash; Proof of Work vs Proof of Stake Explained 52:15 &mdash; Institutional Adoption and Market Impact 56:51 &mdash; Concerns About Strategy Buying Too Much Bitcoin 1:00:18 &mdash; Fixing Money vs Turning Finance Into Gambling 1:08:15 &mdash; Where to Find Sam FOLLOW SAM: X: <a href="https://x.com/SDwoutters">https://x.com/SDwoutters</a> River: <a href="https://river.com/">https://river.com/</a> FOLLOW&nbsp;JAKE: X: <a href="https://x.com/jakeroque_">https://x.com/jakeroque_</a> IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jakeroque/">https://www.instagram.com/jakeroque/</a> FOLLOW MARKET DISRUPTORS ON SOCIAL MEDIA X: <a href="https://x.com/MDisruptors">https://x.com/MDisruptors</a> IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/marketdisruptorspodcast">https://www.instagram.com/marketdisruptorspodcast</a> SIGN UP FOR THE FREE MARKET DISRUPTORS WEEKLY NEWSLETTER: <a href="https://link.1markmoss.com/FGLRv">https://link.1markmoss.com/FGLRv</a> BOOK A CALL TO WORK WITH OUR TEAM TO MAKE A PERSONALIZED WEALTH PLAN: <a href="https://link.1markmoss.com/249zZ">https://link.1markmoss.com/249zZ</a> &nbsp;🔴(BEWARE OF SCAMMERS)🔴 They are impersonating me in the comments. My comments have a "checkmark" so look for that. Please beware, I will never message you asking you to give me money or to talk to me on WhatsApp. Disclaimer: I am NOT a financial advisor, and nothing I say is meant to be a recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument. I will NEVER ask you to send me money to trade or invest for you. Please report any suspicious emails or fake social media profiles claiming to be me. Don't invest money you can't afford to lose. There are no guarantees or certainties in trading or investing. My videos may contain affiliate links or sponsorship to products I believe will add value to your life and help you. In some cases, I may receive payment or other consideration from the companies mentioned in the videos. No matter what I or anyone else says, it&rsquo;s important to do your own research before making a financial decision. SEE FULL DISCLAIMER HERE:&nbsp;<a href="https://go.1markmoss.com/disclaimer">https://go.1markmoss.com/disclaimer</a>

Bitcoin Is Quietly Going Mainstream | Sam Wouters

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Grant Cardone joins Mark Moss to discuss wealth creation, Bitcoin, real estate investing, sales, AI, retirement accounts, raising daughters, and why he believes most people are following the wrong financial playbook. They break down why he stays intentionally illiquid, his criticism of 401(k)s and retirement planning, how he built a real estate empire, and why he's now combining Bitcoin and real estate into a new investment strategy.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Episode Preview
0:51 - Investor vs. Wealth Creator
5:15 - Everyone Needs a Money System
8:31 - Grant Cardone's Wealth Creation Formula
10:15 - Saving vs. Investing
14:36 - Sales Is the Ultimate Skill
18:09 - Secure Your Bitcoin w/ Unchained
19:38 - How to Make $1 Million With AI
24:10 - Building Wealth Through Real Estate
28:47 - Cash vs. Liquidity
31:52 - How Grant Teaches His Daughters About Money
36:17 - Buy Bitcoin w/ River
37:00 - Why Retirement Is Broken
43:21 - Grant Cardone's Bitcoin Strategy
48:02 - Get a 2nd Passport w/ Bitizenship
49:00 - Bitcoin, Real Estate, REITs & MSTR
54:26 - The New Bitcoin Investor Demographic
59:32 - How to Connect with Grant Cardone
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Grant Cardone joins Mark Moss to discuss wealth creation, Bitcoin, real estate investing, sales, AI, retirement accounts, raising daughters, and why he believes most people are following the wrong financial playbook. They break down why he stays intentionally illiquid, his criticism of 401(k)s and retirement planning, how he built a real estate empire, and why he's now combining Bitcoin and real estate into a new investment strategy. _________________________________________________________________________________
THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS!
UNCHAINED: Get setup with Unchained at https://go.1markmoss.com/unchained_pod and use code MOSS10 to get 10% off.
RIVER: If you&rsquo;re ready to build your Bitcoin position with confidence, go to https://go.1markmoss.com/river to sign up and get up to $100 in free Bitcoin.
BITIZENSHIP: Get a 2nd Passport at https://www.bitizenship.com/markmoss _________________________________________________________________________________
TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Episode Preview 0:51 - Investor vs. Wealth Creator 5:15 - Everyone Needs a Money System 8:31 - Grant Cardone's Wealth Creation Formula 10:15 - Saving vs. Investing 14:36 - Sales Is the Ultimate Skill 18:09 - Secure Your Bitcoin w/ Unchained 19:38 - How to Make $1 Million With AI 24:10 - Building Wealth Through Real Estate 28:47 - Cash vs. Liquidity 31:52 - How Grant Teaches His Daughters About Money 36:17 - Buy Bitcoin w/ River 37:00 - Why Retirement Is Broken 43:21 - Grant Cardone's Bitcoin Strategy 48:02 - Get a 2nd Passport w/ Bitizenship 49:00 - Bitcoin, Real Estate, REITs &amp; MSTR 54:26 - The New Bitcoin Investor Demographic 59:32 - How to Connect with Grant Cardone _________________________________________________________________________________
FOLLOW Grant Cardone: Website: https://grantcardone.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/grantcardone Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grantcardone X: https://x.com/GrantCardone
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Disclaimer: I am NOT a financial advisor, and nothing I say is meant to be a recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument. I will NEVER ask you to send me money to trade or invest for you. Please report any suspicious emails or fake social media profiles claiming to be me. Don't invest money you can't afford to lose. There are no guarantees or certainties in trading or investing. My videos may contain affiliate links or sponsorship to products I believe will add value to your life and help you. In some cases, I may receive payment or other consideration from the companies mentioned in the videos. No matter what I or anyone else says, it&rsquo;s important to do your own research before making a financial decision. SEE FULL DISCLAIMER HERE: https://go.1markmoss.com/disclaimer

I Asked Grant Cardone How He'd Get Rich From Scratch

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Jeff Booth joins Jake Roque to explain why the global financial system is already insolvent, why prices should naturally fall in a true free market, and why Bitcoin may be the most important technological and monetary breakthrough in human history. They discuss inflation, AI, surveillance states, central banking, fiat money, stablecoins, the petrodollar system, debt, energy, Bitcoin mining, and why Bitcoin is the first truly decentralized free market humanity has ever seen. 

TIMESTAMPS: 
0:00 — Episode Preview 
0:59 — Introducing Jeff Booth 
6:43 — Why Prices Should Naturally Fall 
12:19 — Transitioning from the Dollar to Bitcoin 
18:23 — Protocols vs Applications 
24:24 — Stablecoins vs Bitcoin (Control vs Freedom) 
25:26 — Removing Your Energy from a System that Does Not Serve You 
31:28 — Fiat Money & Global Exploitation 
38:56 — What Does it Feel Like Leaving the Fiat System? 
48:18 — The Death of the Cultural Father 
53:20 — Ego Death Capital 
59:37 — How Long Until the Global Reset? 
1:03:45 — Jason Lowery's Softwar Thesis 
1:09:00 — The Future of Bitcoin Mining 
1:14:03 — What is the Basis of Jeff's Ethical Frame? 
1:18:43 — There is No They, Only Us 
1:22:10 — How to Connect with Jeff Booth 

Watch Jeff's Madeira Speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxlHCO1nSzM
Watch Jeff's Bitcoin 2026 Speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYS8BQKWVBE

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Jeff Booth joins Jake Roque to explain why the global financial system is already insolvent, why prices should naturally fall in a true free market, and why Bitcoin may be the most important technological and monetary breakthrough in human history. They discuss inflation, AI, surveillance states, central banking, fiat money, stablecoins, the petrodollar system, debt, energy, Bitcoin mining, and why Bitcoin is the first truly decentralized free market humanity has ever seen.&nbsp; TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 &mdash; Episode Preview 0:59 &mdash; Introducing Jeff Booth 6:43 &mdash; Why Prices Should Naturally Fall 12:19 &mdash; Transitioning from the Dollar to Bitcoin 18:23 &mdash; Protocols vs Applications 24:24 &mdash; Stablecoins vs Bitcoin (Control vs Freedom) 25:26 &mdash; Removing Your Energy from a System that Does Not Serve You 31:28 &mdash; Fiat Money &amp; Global Exploitation 38:56 &mdash; What Does it Feel Like Leaving the Fiat System? 48:18 &mdash; The Death of the Cultural Father 53:20 &mdash; Ego Death Capital 59:37 &mdash; How Long Until the Global Reset? 1:03:45 &mdash; Jason Lowery's Softwar Thesis 1:09:00 &mdash; The Future of Bitcoin Mining 1:14:03 &mdash; What is the Basis of Jeff's Ethical Frame? 1:18:43 &mdash; There is No They, Only Us 1:22:10 &mdash; How to Connect with Jeff Booth Watch Jeff's Madeira Speech <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxlHCO1nSzM">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxlHCO1nSzM</a> Watch Jeff's Bitcoin 2026 Speech:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYS8BQKWVBE">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYS8BQKWVBE</a> FOLLOW Jeff Booth: Nostr: npub1s05p3ha7en49dv8429tkk07nnfa9pcwczkf5x5qrdraqshxdje9sq6eyhe FOLLOW Jake: X: <a href="https://x.com/jakeroque_">https://x.com/jakeroque_</a> IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jakeroque/">https://www.instagram.com/jakeroque/</a> FOLLOW Market Disruptors: Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/marketdisruptorspodcast/">https://www.instagram.com/marketdisruptorspodcast/</a> X: <a href="https://x.com/MDisruptors">https://x.com/MDisruptors</a> SIGN UP FOR THE FREE MARKET DISRUPTORS WEEKLY NEWSLETTER: <a href="https://link.1markmoss.com/FGLRv">https://link.1markmoss.com/FGLRv</a> BOOK A CALL TO WORK WITH OUR TEAM TO MAKE A PERSONALIZED WEALTH PLAN: <a href="https://link.1markmoss.com/249zZ">https://link.1markmoss.com/249zZ</a> 🔴(BEWARE OF SCAMMERS)🔴 They are impersonating me in the comments. My comments have a "checkmark" so look for that. Please beware, I will never message you asking you to give me money or to talk to me on WhatsApp. Disclaimer: I am NOT a financial advisor, and nothing I say is meant to be a recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument. I will NEVER ask you to send me money to trade or invest for you. Please report any suspicious emails or fake social media profiles claiming to be me. Don't invest money you can't afford to lose. There are no guarantees or certainties in trading or investing. My videos may contain affiliate links or sponsorship to products I believe will add value to your life and help you. In some cases, I may receive payment or other consideration from the companies mentioned in the videos. No matter what I or anyone else says, it&rsquo;s important to do your own research before making a financial decision. SEE FULL DISCLAIMER HERE:&nbsp;<a href="https://go.1markmoss.com/disclaimer">https://go.1markmoss.com/disclaimer</a>

The Dollar System MUST Collapse and Reset | Jeff Booth

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