Ken McElroy joins Mark Moss to explain why good debt is how meaningful wealth actually gets built, why somebody else should pay off the loan, and why multifamily looks like 2008 again after cheap-rate buyers got crushed.

They discuss Kiyosaki’s $1.2 billion of good debt, the 1971 shift to a debt-based dollar, 50–60% leverage versus buying cash, depreciation as a tax weapon, getting investor capital back in five years through cash-out refinances, starting in single family before syndications, and why Ken is buying in Dallas, Phoenix, and Salt Lake without betting on rates falling. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ 
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0:00 - Episode Trailer 
0:49 - If You Don't Understand Debt, You Don't Understand Wealth 
2:38 - 1971 Turned the Dollar Into Debt 
6:28 - Ken's Rule: Somebody Else Pays Off the Debt 
9:47 - Sponsor: Protect Your Bitcoin Inheritance with Unchained 
11:15 - Credit vs Borrowing and Why Velocity Matters 
14:58 - When Using Debt Beats Buying All Cash 
20:21 - Sponsor: Turn Your Taxes Into Bitcoin with Blockware 
21:21 - Is Real Estate Still the Best Wealth Builder? 
32:40 - Sponsor: Earn Bitcoin on Your Cash with River 
33:22 - Ken’s Criteria for New Real Estate Deals 
38:43 - Prefs, Cash-Out Refis, and Rolling the Next Deal 
43:26 - Sponsor: Take Control of Your Money with Rumble Wallet 
44:35 - Why Multifamily Feels Like 2008 
52:14 - Single Family First or Passive Syndications? 
54:34 - Where Ken Is Buying Rentals and Why Rates Won't Save You ___________________________________________________________________________________________ 
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Ken McElroy joins Mark Moss to explain why good debt is how meaningful wealth actually gets built, why somebody else should pay off the loan, and why multifamily looks like 2008 again after cheap-rate buyers got crushed. They discuss Kiyosaki&rsquo;s $1.2 billion of good debt, the 1971 shift to a debt-based dollar, 50&ndash;60% leverage versus buying cash, depreciation as a tax weapon, getting investor capital back in five years through cash-out refinances, starting in single family before syndications, and why Ken is buying in Dallas, Phoenix, and Salt Lake without betting on rates falling. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS!&nbsp; UNCHAINED: Get setup with Unchained at <a href="https://go.1markmoss.com/unchained_pod">https://go.1markmoss.com/unchained_pod</a>&nbsp;and use code MOSS10 to get 10% off. BLOCKWARE SOLUTIONS: Mine Bitcoin and zero out your tax bill at <a href="https://blockwaresolutions.com/marketdisruptors">https://blockwaresolutions.com/marketdisruptors</a>&nbsp; RIVER: If you&rsquo;re ready to build your Bitcoin position with confidence, go to <a href="https://go.1markmoss.com/river">https://go.1markmoss.com/river</a>&nbsp;to sign up and get up to $100 in free Bitcoin. RUMBLE WALLET: Enter Promo code "MOSS10" after downloading to get $10 in USD stablecoins: <a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rumble-wallet-buy-crypto-btc/id6748149951">https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rumble-wallet-buy-crypto-btc/id6748149951</a>&nbsp; This is a paid advertisement for Rumble Wallet. Rumble is compensating Market Disruptors for this ad. Void where prohibited. No purchase necessary. Offer available to US residents only. Offer not available in New York State. Must be 18+. Offer is available for a limited time and for the first 500 wallets activated and funded. Details and full official rules available at http://rumble.com/promoofficialrules. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Episode Trailer 0:49 - If You Don't Understand Debt, You Don't Understand Wealth 2:38 - 1971 Turned the Dollar Into Debt 6:28 - Ken's Rule: Somebody Else Pays Off the Debt 9:47 - Sponsor: Protect Your Bitcoin Inheritance with Unchained 11:15 - Credit vs Borrowing and Why Velocity Matters 14:58 - When Using Debt Beats Buying All Cash 20:21 - Sponsor: Turn Your Taxes Into Bitcoin with Blockware 21:21 - Is Real Estate Still the Best Wealth Builder? 32:40 - Sponsor: Earn Bitcoin on Your Cash with River 33:22 - Ken&rsquo;s Criteria for New Real Estate Deals 38:43 - Prefs, Cash-Out Refis, and Rolling the Next Deal 43:26 - Sponsor: Take Control of Your Money with Rumble Wallet 44:35 - Why Multifamily Feels Like 2008 52:14 - Single Family First or Passive Syndications? 54:34 - Where Ken Is Buying Rentals and Why Rates Won't Save You ___________________________________________________________________________________________ FOLLOW Ken McElroy:&nbsp; X: <a href="https://x.com/kenmcelroy">https://x.com/kenmcelroy</a> Website: <a href="https://kenmcelroy.com">https://kenmcelroy.com</a> Company: <a href="https://thefoundersgroup.com">https://thefoundersgroup.com</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@KenMcElroy">https://www.youtube.com/@KenMcElroy</a> FOLLOW Mark Moss: YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@1MarkMoss">https://www.youtube.com/@1MarkMoss</a> X: <a href="https://x.com/1MarkMoss">https://x.com/1MarkMoss</a> IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/markmoss/">https://www.instagram.com/markmoss/</a> FOLLOW Market Disruptors: X: <a href="https://x.com/MDisruptors">https://x.com/MDisruptors</a> IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/marketdisruptorspodcast">https://www.instagram.com/marketdisruptorspodcast</a>&nbsp; ___________________________________________________________________________________________ SIGN UP FOR THE FREE MARKET DISRUPTORS WEEKLY NEWSLETTER: <a href="https://link.1markmoss.com/FGLRv">https://link.1markmoss.com/FGLRv</a>&nbsp; BOOK A CALL TO WORK WITH OUR TEAM TO MAKE A PERSONALIZED WEALTH PLAN: <a href="https://link.1markmoss.com/249zZ">https://link.1markmoss.com/249zZ</a>&nbsp; ____________________________________________________________________________________________ 🔴(BEWARE OF SCAMMERS)🔴 They are impersonating me in the comments. 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Welcome to Market Disruptors—where we break down the old-money system and equip you with the new money protocol to create, multiply, and preserve wealth in the digital age.

Hosted by Mark Moss, a Bitcoin-focused venture capitalist, seasoned entrepreneur, and educator with over 25 years of experience, this show is your blueprint for financial sovereignty. We challenge outdated financial models and explore bold strategies powered by Bitcoin, AI, decentralization, and innovation—giving you the knowledge to navigate today’s fast-changing economy.

We dive deep into macro trends, financial markets, and economic shifts, exposing the flaws of traditional finance and the power of sound money principles. Whether you're an investor, entrepreneur, or someone seeking financial independence, this show provides the real insights and battle-tested strategies you need to thrive.

From high-level business scaling insights to personal war stories of navigating boom-and-bust cycles, you’ll learn how to break free from restrictive financial systems and build unstoppable wealth on your own terms.

Welcome to Market Disruptors&mdash;where we break down the&nbsp;old-money system&nbsp;and equip you with the&nbsp;new money protocol&nbsp;to create, multiply, and preserve wealth in the digital age.
Hosted by&nbsp;Mark Moss, a Bitcoin-focused venture capitalist, seasoned entrepreneur, and educator with over 25 years of experience, this show is your&nbsp;blueprint for financial sovereignty. We challenge outdated financial models and explore&nbsp;bold strategies powered by Bitcoin, AI, decentralization, and innovation&mdash;giving you the knowledge to navigate today&rsquo;s fast-changing economy.
We dive deep into&nbsp;macro trends, financial markets, and economic shifts, exposing the flaws of traditional finance and the power of&nbsp;sound money principles. Whether you're an investor, entrepreneur, or someone seeking financial independence, this show provides the&nbsp;real insights and battle-tested strategies&nbsp;you need to thrive.
From high-level business scaling insights to personal war stories of navigating boom-and-bust cycles, you&rsquo;ll learn how to break free from restrictive financial systems and&nbsp;build unstoppable wealth on your own terms.

We break down the old-money system and equip you with the new money protocol to create, multiply, and preserve wealth in the digital age.

Market Disruptors

Welcome to The Mark Moss Show—where we break down the old-money system and equip you with the new money protocol to create, multiply, and preserve wealth in the digital age.

Hosted by Mark Moss, a Bitcoin-focused venture capitalist, seasoned entrepreneur, and educator with over 25 years of experience, this show is your blueprint for financial sovereignty. We challenge outdated financial models and explore bold strategies powered by Bitcoin, AI, decentralization, and innovation—giving you the knowledge to navigate today’s fast-changing economy.

We dive deep into macro trends, financial markets, and economic shifts, exposing the flaws of traditional finance and the power of sound money principles. Whether you're an investor, entrepreneur, or someone seeking financial independence, this show provides the real insights and battle-tested strategies you need to thrive.

From high-level business scaling insights to personal war stories of navigating boom-and-bust cycles, you’ll learn how to break free from restrictive financial systems and build unstoppable wealth on your own terms.

Welcome to The Mark Moss Show—where we tear down the permissioned gates of old money and help you take control of your future. Subscribe now and stay ahead of the financial revolution.

Welcome to The Mark Moss Show&mdash;where we break down the&nbsp;old-money system&nbsp;and equip you with the&nbsp;new money protocol&nbsp;to create, multiply, and preserve wealth in the digital age.
Hosted by&nbsp;Mark Moss, a Bitcoin-focused venture capitalist, seasoned entrepreneur, and educator with over 25 years of experience, this show is your&nbsp;blueprint for financial sovereignty. We challenge outdated financial models and explore&nbsp;bold strategies powered by Bitcoin, AI, decentralization, and innovation&mdash;giving you the knowledge to navigate today&rsquo;s fast-changing economy.
We dive deep into&nbsp;macro trends, financial markets, and economic shifts, exposing the flaws of traditional finance and the power of&nbsp;sound money principles. Whether you're an investor, entrepreneur, or someone seeking financial independence, this show provides the&nbsp;real insights and battle-tested strategies&nbsp;you need to thrive.
From high-level business scaling insights to personal war stories of navigating boom-and-bust cycles, you&rsquo;ll learn how to break free from restrictive financial systems and&nbsp;build unstoppable wealth on your own terms.
Welcome to&nbsp;The Mark Moss Show&mdash;where we tear down the permissioned gates of old money and help you take control of your future.&nbsp;Subscribe now&nbsp;and stay ahead of the financial revolution.

The Mark Moss Show

Multifamily Is in a 2008 Moment. Ken McElroy Explains Why.

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