In this special episode of MotoGP Pit Talk, MotoGP commentator Matt Birt takes listeners trackside for an electrifying finale as the championship comes down to the wire between Jorge Martín and reigning champion Pecco Bagnaia. With every turn and every overtake carrying championship consequences, Matt dissects the high-stakes showdown and what it means for both riders' legacies.
But the drama doesn't end there. Matt dives into the intense battle for third, with Enea Bastianini and Marc Márquez both determined to make a statement.
To top it off, Matt shares exclusive insights on what’s to come, with an eye on Tuesday’s test session—a crucial glimpse into team strategies, new tech, and riders gearing up for 2025. From on-track rivalry to off-season revelations, this episode is a must-listen for MotoGP fans craving the inside story!
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Oh hey, Martin heads into this weekend with the twenty four point lead, and this weekend also provides him two opportunities to become world champion. And who better to talk to about the Solidarity Grand Prix then my favorite two mats in Moto GP, Matt Clayton and Matt Burt. Welcome guys. How's it going? Matt tell us? How was your flyaway rounds where you actually come down to outside of the world for once.
Yeah, well, it was awesome to be well, awesome to be with you for start. It's awesome to be back in Australia. I think I've said it a million times before. Loved that part of the world. Love flyp Island once again, we got under the cracking race and Mark Marker is winning after all the drama on the start, and yes, seven weeks away from moment, I didn't come back actually in between Japan and Australia, I think that's right. So my brain's so frazzled off that trip. I'm not quite sure what all of the races actually came in, but yeah, I stayed out for the whole shooting match and had great fun. Not going to lie, it was a little bit tying at times. But OK, hey, I'm not going to complain. You know, I'm still being paid to travel the world and talk about motorcycle racing. So yeah, it was. It was awesome, great time.
Well, I don't know what you lot are complaining about, because frankly, of those six races in seven weeks, five of them were in a fantastic time zone for Australia. So listening to all the Europeans like, oh, the races on at seven o'clock in the morning, it's like, here is a very small violin and I'll play you a sad song because it was brilliant for us down here. But Matt, the best part about what you said before is that you know we've got this final round. Now. I keep going to see say, Valencia as shorthand for the final round because I'm so used to doing that. I've got to stop myself doing that this week. But we've got a live championship fight. But only just.
Yeah, only just I mean twenty four points going into the final Grand Prix. It's a huge, huge advantage for Joje Martina me. You do feel like you know this will be one of the biggest chokes, not just in moneys GP history, but in any kind of sporting history for jo Hae not to get it over the line now, master pretty simply he knows himself if he wins the sprint on Saturday is world champion. Doesn't matter where Packer Manuit finishes. And we know that Jogey is a truly prolific sprint winner, so it could be history made. He could be the first ever independencing rider to win the matter GP World Championship in the modern fource show here. And of course we've never had a world champion crowned on a sprint Saturday. So personally, I think that Joey will get the job done. I just cannot see that Peko I don't. I wouldn't be surprised if Packer wins the sprint and the Grand Prix, but I just cannot see Jorgey stumbling this late time. And he's been so phenomenal all season long.
That's one thing I wanted to ask you man, and something that me and Matt Clayton I'm going to have to get nicknames for you guys as we don't but me and Matt Clayton talk about a lot is we've noticed a massive change in Jogey Martin, especially in the second half of this season. Obviously you're on the ground a lot more than we are. But what has your take been with jorgem mart team this year is is he like a switch is flicked in and he's just cool, calm and collected.
Yeah, I think so. I mean, I Thinky learns so much from this very stage last year. Of course, he was in the battle with Peco twelve months ago, all a bit a little bit differently. I mean, he was the chaser at the time, so a different scenario. But I think if you listen to Jorgey himself throughout this season, that that process of the hurt, the real heartache and missing out last year. You know, at this stage last year he said himself it was a living nightmare. He was having sleepless nights. He wasn't enjoying it. The pressure was just that massive burden on his shoulders. It was too overpowering ultimately in the final reckoning. But you're always looking at an athlete at that level to see, Okay, well that was a situation they've gone through, they've dealt with it, but have they learned from it? You know, has it made them come back stronger, and I think Jey is living proof that he certainly has. You know, i'd have to say when you sort of see him up close and first, like I doing his medi debreeves certainly in the press commerences, if he is, if he hasn't got any butterflies, if he has got any nerves. We've said this on commentary. He's doing a phenomenal job behinding it because he does look cool, he does look relaxed, he does look very at one with himself and ready to embrace the times this year, where I think it was the opposite twelve months ago.
Well, what's so interesting with all of this is that he's been just as good in the sprints this year as he was last year, and he squandered the title last year because of the Sundays, and there's just been this unbelievable consistency within this year that when he hasn't won, I think it's what fifteen second place finishes now and thirty podiums at all. But I wanted to touch on Matt probably this story that's been bubbling around and we've known this since Migello when we knew that Martin was off at the end of the year. It's funny. We had this crazy early rider market, silly season, and everyone's looked up and gone, oh, it's the last round of the season. All these guys are moving at the end of the season. The big subplot to all of this is that if Martin wins the world Championship, he's off to a with the number one plate for next year in a season where do Catti's won basically everything except for one Grand Prix. And yes, it's going to say Jorge Martin Dukati as the twenty twenty four world champion more than likely, but that number one is going to be on a different bike next year. And I don't know about how you feel about this, but I reckon it's been an underplayed story that's not been talked about enough that the guy that they bypassed twice to be Peckaba's teammate is off with the number one. Do you think that's going to be a story that comes up a bit more this weekend once it dawns on people.
Yeah, I'm sure it will do. I'm sure there will be the questions asked of the Kati about you are letting the world champion GP world champion slip through your fingers. He's going to a rival brand. I mean, I'm sure there will be questions asked. The Cati's defense obviously will be, well, we're replacing Jegey Martin or we overlooked Tojy Martin for a hate time's world champion in Marquez. I think what's been a big factor this year. I don't underestimate this. I mean Jorgey has not really talked about it because he hasn't really been asked about it much. I mean, let's not beat around the bush here. He was absolutely devastated when he was when he missed that last year for the factory ride. Let alone this year. You know, he was convincing. I mean, I remember we arrived in Magello. All the Italian media, senior Italian media had gone with her. Martin's got the Factory, the catty ride alongside Bang Night. So you know Jorge was reading those headlines. He was convinced himself that that was going to happen. So then to have it all snatched away in the very same weekend, don't discount just how much he has used that as a powerful motivating tool. You know, that was a proper rocket up all his backside. So to speak, because yeah, he wanted to have proved to the catty. You know, you're you're letting me go a guy that's won a whole bunch of races for you. They're going to win the championship potentially for you this year. So that was a huge motivation for Halla this season, and it looks like it's all pointing towards him. Yeah, taking that number one play over to a priller, which will which will hurt the catty.
I'm really curious to hear or what you guys. Both of you have to think about the results this weekend. I know, Matt, you' att Bert sorry you touched on that earlier, but you said that you know Peco could potentially win both these weekend. I want to hear from you, guys, what do you think is the possible outcome or more likely to happen on Saturday's Sprint and Sunday's Grand Prix. Because we know that Jogey and Peco they're going to be strong here on those GP twenty fours. But we also know earlier this year Elish was strong in the sprint. Mark Marquez he might be going for that final victory before he moves up to the Factory Ride. So Matt Burt, let's start with you. What do you think is going to be the outcome on Saturday's sprint? Then where do you think Peco and Jorge are going to place?
Ah, that's a tough one. I mean, we obviously got a factor in the conditions this weekend. I mean we're in mid November in Barcelona. It's still probably pleasant on that part of the Mediterranean coast, but certainly not as hot as it was in May, so that will be a factor. A lot a lot cooler condo, and there's a couple of real nihly tricky corners in Catalouony which which can catch you up. Just look back in mate, Pecker Bangyaya last lap of the sprint, absolutely cruising to the victory and crashed at turn five. You know, this is as high pressure as it gets for Pecka in some respects although I suppose it's a double edged sword. It at this pressure because he knows he has to go and win both the sprint and the Grand Prix to have any chance to win the championship. But also he's kind of relieved of a bit of pressure because it's win or bust. Isn't it. You know, he knows what the score is. As I mentioned earlier on, I can see Pecker winning both the Sprint and the Grand Prix. But what I cannot see is Jorge losing twenty four twenty five points, which he needs to. You know, there's been bad weekends for the way this season, but I just think now he's a different beast, a different animal compared to last year. And as I mentioned, I think Martin has its seven sprint wins so far this year to Peko's at six. He was the sprint king in twenty twenty three, wasn't it? Haway Martin? So I'm sure Hauey would love nothing more. You'll sleep a lot better on Saturda night if he's alreadyon the championship after the sprint. So I think Jorgey probably can take a little bit more of a risk as well if he wants to win the sprint and get it done and dusted. But yeah, I like you say, Rennie. So there's lots of other factors to play in. Elijah Spigro super strong in Barcelona, looking for a really happy fun farewell to a prillier, Mark Marquez and a BASTIENI are the names that you have to factor in as well. That could be a little bit of a flies in the ointment.
I think for me, I'll be really curious to see if Jorgey is able to sort of stay as the new Jorge in that he's ridden a certain way to get himself into this position, primarily in the sprints on the Saturday. And so maybe you you know you play, you don't play the school board. You play the game that's in front of you. And I could see him maybe not first three laps of Malaysior level of aggression, but because otherwise your voice lod not survive until Sunday. Mat I can see Jujo Bee's super aggressive in the sprint because it's what's got him here. And okay, if you don't, you've got to know when to back off in that situation. But if you go and get it done on Saturday by being who you've been on Saturday for the best part of two years, that's almost the best way for him to deal with this pressure, because yeah, he's got this huge points advantage. And even if you know Banyai was to win the sprint March, he was to finish second, it's still twenty one on Sunday. It's a big gap, but it does add that little variable. Like you're talking about track conditions, but you know turns two and five they're super sketchy. You just need one little wobble on the Sunday and then you've got problem. And it's all very well to say that he's kept his composure, but you don't want that thing to go to Sunday and you are wide on lap one and you're sixth and you've got a bit to do all of a sudden. So it wouldn't surprise me if he goes pretty hard on Saturday to try and win it, then to get it done, just to remove any last bit of hope that Banyai has got. But I think the thing for me, Matt, I don't know about you, but the thing for me is I don't reck and there's enough guys really stickly who can get between the two of them to make it a real fight. I dont think we're going to see the old Jollge loren So Valencia twenty thirteen three backs everyone up and we have a race that we probably shouldn't. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if Martine goes for it on Saturday and then deals with it from there because it's it's what's got in here.
Really, Yeah, And I think Jojeyes's approach will be I mean, it's very easy for us to stay from the sidelines. He's going to have to treat it like a normal weekend, or as normal as it possibly can be when you when you're literally what twenty four to forty eight hours away from a prize you've worked your own entire life or but I think we saw in that Malaysian Grand Prix and Tapang. I've spoken to so many people since and that they could not believe the amount of risk that Jorgey was taking to engage with Pecker because at that stage, I mean, Peco's got nothing to lose. He has to win and hope that there's bikes between himself and Hallway. Haye could have just perfectly happily sat on Peco's rear tire, kept the pressure and Hi maybe hoping that Pecko woil making mistake. He certainly have to be like going full send die bombing him everywhere. In those first three or four that the thing it showed, you know, that Jorge's mentality is like, I have to race as the normal Joge Martine. If I start thinking about the challenge, I started thinking about backing off episode slightly. That's when you lose your concentration. That's when the mistakes creep in. He's going to just keep himself fully focused and in that zone and do everything that he's done in the previous nineteen Grand Prix, because that's what's going to mean to this position. You know, I think he's like you said as well, Matt, I mean, it's gonna be fascinating this weekend because I think a lot of people in Malaysia thought that bang Yay might play a bit more of a tactical race, a bit more of a strategic race where he was gonna if he got the front, which he did, do maybe slow the pace, try and bring the likes of BASTIENI and Mark Marquez into contention. But afterwards, so I asked him about that. Actually he said, I'm not that kind of rider. It's just not the way that I like to approach it. But this weekend it was kind of weird because in Malaysia he said, I'm not going to do that. I'm not that kind of riding and in the press conquence straight afterward he was in Cataluna. I need help from and Mark. Well, really, as you say, Matt, the only way that he's able to do that is if he does back up the field and slow down the place. Because at the moment, whether it's been wet, dry, scorching hot, pouring down Moraine, Pecaban and Juwe and Martina been head and showers with everybody else so far this season, you know, and I think it's going to be a tough ass to see the likes of Anna and Mark run with him in those two at the peak of their powers again this weekend.
How do you think Peco is going into this weekend? We call him the Professor, which a lot of people do, and we see Peco really analyzing every situation right. And one thing that myself and Matt Clayton have spoke about on this pod is it seems like the last few weekends, Friday, Peco isn't himself. He looks a bit agitated, and Saturday is qualifying in the sprint. He doesn't look like himself on the bike, but then Sunday something clicks and he becomes a whole different person. Do you think this weekend him coming in because obviously we've had the change of the circuit. We know he likes to be in control. Is this playing into his favor or do you think that he is just going to send it like you said, I think it wasn't Malaysia.
Yeah, I mean I think that's it. That's his only option, isn't it. You know, he knows deep down and anything less than victory in the Sprint and the Grand Prix is probably going to end his reign as world champion. I think we've seen that the agitation of frustration from Peco creeping in a little bit more when things haven't gone his way on Fridays, because in his own words, he's called this the Championship of Mistakes, and some of the mistakes that he has made at real critical times of the season now are really going to bite him hard, you know. I mean it seems really weird to say, doesn't it. Like a guy that's won ten Grand Prixs potentially wins eleven Grand Prix in the season and does not win the World Championship. I mean, this is unprecedented territory. This is tag that Peco does not want to be labeled with for his career, but it certainly looks like that will be the case. I mean, all Peco can do is go out there and do his job, folks on himself. He can't really worry about what HOWI Martin's in because he knows that if he wants to, can just follow him home. In both the Sprint and the Grand Prix. I think Peco's got one goal and one mission only that is to somehow find a way to win the Sprint, which he's one six this year. It's never been sort of class as his forte and I think he said himself once again in Malaysia, you know, if he could change one thing about matter GP, it would be the sack off Saturdays. He just hates the sprint and see he just does not like it at all. But yeah, I mean, a guy that's won ten Sunday Grand Prix is still twenty four points behind in the championship. He seems very very strange to say, but that's clear proof of the fact that he has dropped the ball on too many occasions this year eight DNFs. I think only Juan mir Honda has had more dns. We know what a terrible time Juan's having at HRC. It's really really gonna hurt back O this year.
I feel sorry for the graphics department having to put the Joan Mere crash Rider Okay graphic up every a couple of times every weekend. But you mentioned before that you know we're going to be at Cashaloudier and it's the site of you know, one of these dnf CD he's had this year from you know, an unforced ere you might say. And we're talking before about potentially backing the pack up. I reckon this is another variable that might go against Spanyay here because Valencia at this time of year, it is a track just because of its layer and the nature of it that you can do the whole hey Lorenzo twenty thirteen tactic and back people up. But you think of what that castaloud your layout is like, Yeah, you've got those two lefts that we were talking about, You've got this whacking great front straight. That's a really, really hard layout to play with the rest of the field, particularly if you're talking about GP twenty fours in the pack. It's you know, Valencia has got that short front straight. It's not a massive factor in terms of how you can run a race. Tactically, We've not had the potential for a strategic race like this in Barcelona. It doesn't tend to happen, even at the earlier part of the year when it's baking hot. So I think that's another factor that's going to play against Peco because, as you said, reallyd like Picko likes as few variables as possible. If you held every race weekend in the laboratory with benign whether and everything's the same the whole way through, you know, Pecker will just build, build, build, build build, get to Sunday win.
Yeah, I know.
That's when there's variables. Yeah, it's when there's variables that I think he gets in trouble.
And these guys are the very best in the world because they hate to rely on external factors. They want to be in control of everything themselves. It's all about them getting the job done for themselves. You know, Pecker Band is not going to be going at this weekend thinking, well, I'm looking for favors from an A, I'm looking for favors from Mark, Yeah, because they're they're factors that he cannot control. He's got no control over how Mark, how Anya performed this weekend. And I don't think that's a situation that any rider likes, but in particular Pecker. I think he's a ride that really likes to be in control of his own situation, in control of his own destiny, and he knows pretty much that's outside of his hands. This weekend, let's.
Touch on the next battle in the championship, the battle for third between Mark Marquez and Annea Bashinini. And I'm really curious to hear both your opinions on this because I have this idea in my head that Anaya is not going to be happy if Mark does beat him for third, now that Mark is taking his ride at a do Caddie. But I don't know what Mark's going to do this weekend. Is he going to try and go for one last win on his Grissini before he does move up to the factory, or is he going to let the whole championship situation play out. I'm really curious to see. But what what's your opinion on that, Matt.
But maybe we'll just we'll have to our rap names be a Matt scene next time pot names. I think Mark is going to be going all in for that big, last final hurrah with Graisini racing. I mean Mark, he's a born winner, is a serial winner. That's in his DNA. I think Mark will be just going all out for the victory. He's not going to give one IoT. He's not going to care one bit about the championship. I don't think. I mean, I think if he's racing closely with Martin and Bangyi, and then of course he will show them respect and maybe he will think twice about making one of his typical hard moves. But I think if there's an opportunity that presents himself and Mark to win this weekend, well he's that kind of guy that's not going to pass it up. It's just not not in his nature at all. So I think, yeah, I could.
I couldn't agree more. I thought, it's funny, Matt, you're suggesting that Mark might get himself involved in a championship.
He can't.
Actually, we've just been him. We've just been him. We don't need to go back there.
But you know what, when when his first three laps, three or four laps in Zapang and this little sort of demon on my shoulder kept sort of thinking Sapang twenty fifteen, I was like, no, no, don't don't go with there. Do not mention that in country what.
You well, I think I think we're contractually obligated to mention it every single podcast. But the interesting thing for me with the best KNOWNI Marquez thing is that I reckon it would mean more to best Needi to finish their than it would finish for Mark. Obviously, Mark's won six Premier Class world titles, but if Bestinini at least manures to finish in front of the guy that's taken his ride for next year, that would be some sense of satisfaction. Doesn't keep he doesn't keep his job, surely, but I think Mark will be keen to win the race. But as to whether he finishes third or fourth of the World Championship, there's only one position that Mark gets out of bed for, and that'll be the one that he's getting out of bed for next year.
Yeah, yeah, could couln't couldn't agree one. And I think Mark Mircus himself is saying a CATALOONYA not really one of his favorite hunting grounds, that that sort of fast flowing layout never really suits is sort of aggressive, heartbreaking riding style. There's a couple of heartbreakings on in Cataloonya but not too many of them. And then of course A Bastienini back in May, end of May, I remember, and A went on his one mat self protest going three where he got the penalty, didn't he for running cutting the course at turn one and turn two and then thought he'd give them back enough time, and then of course he he went through the full range of penalty. I think he got initially another long lab, which he was like, no, I didn't know anything wrong, I'm cracking on. Then it was it was a double long lab that ultimately ride through and it was just yeah, A bas GINI like sort of a last man standing against the air play M Stewards because he just carried on, just raised on. But yeah, I mean again, it would be interesting to see if if Ay and Mark can get themselves into that battle. The Catty have been absolutely insistent all throughout proceedings that they're not going to interfere, They're not going to intervene there. There'll be no team orders as far as they're concerned. Now I'm not I'm really sure I believe that. You know, you can imagine a situation on Sunday if Peko's second behind, and they are and Martin's further back enough for Peco to win the championship. Then I think we might see the return of the old mapping eight dashboard message, or mean, we might see some single for him to ease alongside, because yeah, I think if push came to show and there was a situation where the Kattager keep that number one plate on Bangy Eyve's bike, then they have to intervene. That's what it's all about. Yeah, we don't want to see it. We don't like team mourners, but I'm sure it will. It will play a role at some point if that's ni arise it.
Well, Matt, before we let you go, I have one question. We know that this weekend, we know what the possible outcomes are, but obviously you've got a busy weekend because you have one day off and then you're straight back to work for six hours or something. You were saying for the tests after. Is there any particular changes happening next year that you're really excited to see?
Wow? I mean, where do you start for twenty twenty five? The so many exciting aspects for us to sort of look forward to next season, I mean, yea, I was just say the valency test on Tuesday made that mistake already. I'm sure there'll be a few more of those this weekend coming up. Yeah, I mean the test is always it almost feels like it's Christmas comes early from by the GP fans, doesn't because we get the first look at twenty twenty five. I mean, the most obvious answer is, of course, Mark Marque is moving to the factory, the catty team, and just how that is going to evolve between himself and Pekabanya. We've already seen them have a couple of hard races, a couple of pretty controversial moments this season in Porteramow and in Harass, and we know that Mark's going to be He's a he's a ruthless He's a ruthless guy. You know he won't care that at the moment, that team is all about Pecker Banyay, He's the clear number one. Mark's going to try and get in there and russle feathers. That's what he's all about. He doesn't care for reputations. I think I'll be fascinating to see how Pedro Costa goes in a factory back team I know it's me in the fact for sporty team, but also with that experience under his belt as well, so so many different aspects look forward to in twenty twenty five. Yeah, and we get to talk about it for six and a half hours on Tuesday, So hopefully a few of you, a few of your viewers are tuning in. More importantly, hopefully we get a full dry day on Tuesday, Catalonia and there are actually bike circulating it out on track.
Well. I know that Roniti is going to be tuning in for a couple of reasons. One because it'll be really interesting to see Jack Miller at a new address, and two because she's hoping that christening this team Pramaha, which he has been doing on every single podcast we've done for the past six months, actually stick. So your job now, Matt, is to get that in the comms on Tuesday, be a bit of a trendsetter for us, and it'll be trading on social media and a religial sticking at the top of a CV. So there's your goal, not a.
Problem, consider it already done. I will do that for you, and I'll even give you a name check as well. On the Life I won't take credit for it. I'll credit the sauce. I'll make sure you've got the copyright. And that one I actually love that one. What was it? Prama tramah? Yeah, listeners, thank you.
We always say to our listeners drinking game. How many times are going to say it? We should play a drinking game? And how many times do you guys say Valencia and not Barcelona this weekend as well, you might not get to.
The end of six.
That's going to say. Yeah, you might want to start off on tomorrow's juice initially and then work exactly.
I love it, Oh, Matt, thank you so much for taking the time to come and chat with it myself, and man, we can't wait to hear all about everything that happens at this weekend. So all the best are with this weekend and also Tuesday's test. Hopefully your voice is still holding up by the end of that.
Thanks so so much, guys, Thanks for pleasure, join you as always, and as we always say about this weekend, let's hope that it's the best ride that wins.
Exactly exactly. We can't wait to see you on track action and if you guys listening want to watch everything live and ad break free. You can on Fox Sports and ko past keep up to date with all the laters, Emoto GP news on our socials at Foxmotorsport or via our website foxsports dot com dot au Ford Slash Motorsport Bart from Mat Clayton and myself, Rinita Mulin, and We're gonna be back real soon with more Moto GP pittok