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Skills-based Learning With Gabe Gloege

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Skills-based approaches to organisations, the workforce and development are gaining in prominence. This is hardly a surprise when one of the biggest problems across entire industries and economies is the growing skills gap. So a skills-based approach is aimed at meeting these problems head-on. In this episode, we explore what this all means for L&D and our stakeholders and how we get involved.


  • A skills-based organization organises a lot of their work and talent structures around skills, rather than roles only.
  • The idea is that focusing on skills rather than roles results in a more agile organisation.
  • The most talented people want the chance to develop new skills and progress.
  • Training your workforce to get the right skills mix is far less disruptive than constantly getting rid of and recruiting people.
  • Generative AI has potential to help us to map out the skills we need and identify problems. But, remember garbage in garbage out, give it the right base data.
  • To be effective, workplace learning has to engage both sides of the brain.
  • You have to provide concrete examples of where that skill is applied. Skill development has to be contextual to be effective.

'It’s a fundamental challenge to our beliefs.'

'Talent seeks career progress. People go places where they can go places.'

'I like to say separating roles from souls.'

'Always talk about the activity and the skill.'

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Gabe Gloege Bio
Gabe is a leading voice in modern L&D and is co-founder of CultivateMe, a people development agency. He is also formerly the Senior Director of Learning & Organizational Development at ETC and an advocate of progressive, performance-oriented approaches to L&D.


You can follow and contact Gabe via:

Gabe's Maven Course "Becoming a Skills-based Organization”:
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David James 
David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa. 

As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D. 


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