L&D leaders in large organizations often cite a lack of time as the main barrier to upskilling and reskilling. While increasing learning hours is important, the CLO Lift team found that time is not the most critical factor. Instead, the quality of learning has equal or greater influence on performance than the quantity of time spent. Rather than focusing solely on hours, business leaders and L&D professionals should emphasize value. This episode explores these insights with Lisa Christensen and Huw Newton-Hill.

KEY TAKEAWAYS
CLO Lift is a community of 20 CLOs who have got together to solve the biggest unresolved challenges in the L&D industry.
You have to create true value before enough time will be allocated to employee learning.
If you are not 100% in step with the business the training that you provide will be out of date and not relevant.
The learning you deliver must genuinely enable people to make progress in their careers.
L&D needs to stop only being order takers. Work more closely with managers to understand business challenges and be actively involved in finding solutions.
Certain elements of people´s roles impact the way they behave. If a learning intervention cannot change that element speak up and ask those who can solve that underlying issue to do so.
Create a learning culture, e.g. include skill acquisition in personal reviews.
Democratize access to learning.
Use generative AI to make the training more relevant in every role in every geography.
Measure progress against actual business objectives.
Start now.
Create some small experiments and generate wins. You only need one win to create credibility and act as a springboard.

BEST MOMENTS

“Ensure that the whole body of L&D is in lockstep with the business.”

“The more courage you lean into, the more credibility you build.”

“Be bold and go forth.”

“Any good action today is better than perfect action a month from now.”



CLO Lift, From Time to Value report: https://learningforum.substack.com/p/clo-lift-from-time-to-value?r=ivpaq&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true



Lisa Christensen Bio:

As Director of Learning Design and Innovation at McKinsey & Company, Lisa leads a global team focused on cutting-edge learning solutions. She founded McKinsey’s Learning Research and Innovation Lab and is a recognized thought leader in learning. Lisa is a founding member of CLO Lift and was previously a senior leader at a learning design firm.



Huw Newton-Hill Bio:

Huw leads Attensi’s US office, delivering AI-powered training solutions. A former strategy consultant at BCG, he now drives growth and innovation in L&D, contributing to forums like CLO Lift.

VALUABLE RESOURCES

The Learning And Development Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523

L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

ABOUT THE HOST

David James 

David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa. 

As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D. 

CONTACT METHOD 
Twitter:  https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/
L&D Collective: https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/
Blog: https://360learning.com/blog/
L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

L&amp;D leaders in large organizations often cite a lack of time as the main barrier to upskilling and reskilling. While increasing learning hours is important, the CLO Lift team found that time is not the most critical factor. Instead, the quality of learning has equal or greater influence on performance than the quantity of time spent. Rather than focusing solely on hours, business leaders and L&amp;D professionals should emphasize value. This episode explores these insights with Lisa Christensen and Huw Newton-Hill.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
<ul>
<li>CLO Lift is a community of 20 CLOs who have got together to solve the biggest unresolved challenges in the L&amp;D industry.</li>
<li>You have to create true value before enough time will be allocated to employee learning.</li>
<li>If you are not 100% in step with the business the training that you provide will be out of date and not relevant.</li>
<li>The learning you deliver must genuinely enable people to make progress in their careers.</li>
<li>L&amp;D needs to stop only being order takers. Work more closely with managers to understand business challenges and be actively involved in finding solutions.</li>
<li>Certain elements of people´s roles impact the way they behave. If a learning intervention cannot change that element speak up and ask those who can solve that underlying issue to do so.</li>
<li>Create a learning culture, e.g. include skill acquisition in personal reviews.</li>
<li>Democratize access to learning.</li>
<li>Use generative AI to make the training more relevant in every role in every geography.</li>
<li>Measure progress against actual business objectives.</li>
<li>Start now.</li>
<li>Create some small experiments and generate wins. You only need one win to create credibility and act as a springboard.</li>
</ul>
BEST MOMENTS
“Ensure that the whole body of L&amp;D is in lockstep with the business.”
“The more courage you lean into, the more credibility you build.”
“Be bold and go forth.”
“Any good action today is better than perfect action a month from now.”
 
CLO Lift, From Time to Value report: <a href="https://learningforum.substack.com/p/clo-lift-from-time-to-value?r=ivpaq&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;triedRedirect=true">https://learningforum.substack.com/p/clo-lift-from-time-to-value?r=ivpaq&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;triedRedirect=true</a>
 
Lisa Christensen Bio:
As Director of Learning Design and Innovation at McKinsey &amp; Company, Lisa leads a global team focused on cutting-edge learning solutions. She founded McKinsey’s Learning Research and Innovation Lab and is a recognized thought leader in learning. Lisa is a founding member of CLO Lift and was previously a senior leader at a learning design firm.
 
Huw Newton-Hill Bio:
Huw leads Attensi’s US office, delivering AI-powered training solutions. A former strategy consultant at BCG, he now drives growth and innovation in L&amp;D, contributing to forums like CLO Lift.
VALUABLE RESOURCES
The Learning And Development Podcast - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523">https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523</a>
L&amp;D Master Class Series: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/">https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/</a>
ABOUT THE HOST
David James 
David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning &amp; OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East &amp; Africa. 
As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&amp;D. 
CONTACT METHOD 
<ul>
<li>Twitter:  <a href="https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/">https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/</a></li>
<li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/</a></li>
<li>L&amp;D Collective: <a href="https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/">https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/">https://360learning.com/blog/</a></li>
<li>L&amp;D Master Class Series: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/">https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/</a></li>
</ul>

This is a fortnightly topical podcast show for L&D professionals hosted by David James and presented by 360Learning.

In each episode David James discusses and debates topics affecting the profession alongside expert guests.  David is a Learning & Talent leader of 25 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa. As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/ Website: https://www.360learning.com/

This is a fortnightly topical podcast show for L&amp;D professionals hosted by David James and presented by <a href="https://360learning.com/">360Learning</a>.
In each episode David James discusses and debates topics affecting the profession alongside expert guests.  David is a Learning &amp; Talent leader of 25 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning &amp; OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East &amp; Africa. As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&amp;D. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/ Website: https://www.360learning.com/

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