Not many in L&D recognise the opportunity to automate L&D administration, compliance and entire digital learning journeys, saving enormous amounts of time as well as guiding employee performance. 

But what does it take to get to this and how do L&D teams take advantage of this opportunity, especially during these tough times? We explore all this and more in this episode.

KEY TAKEAWAYS
The most rewarding and satisfying results come from helping organisations get to a better place in terms of improvements in culture, performance and communication.
There is a low expectation of what learning and development offers. It can be seen as a perk of sorts, which has led to a perceived “dumbing down” of the profession.
Spend less time trying to work out what solutions there are out there, and more time understanding the performance problems in your organisation. 
One of the main advantages provided by smart technology has been building user insights into any campaign, allowing us to move away from “content play” to a real dialogue.

BEST MOMENTS

‘One of the biggest challenges for organisations is data’

‘It’s about predefining a route that you want people to take’ 

’Those conversations are what gets me out of bed in the morning' 

VALUABLE RESOURCES

New eBook: Digital Learning That Works Harder (So You Don't Have To) - https://www.looop.co/digital-learning-that-works-harder/

The Learning And Development Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523

ABOUT THE GUEST

Mike Collins is a pioneering and influential voice in L&D, having been Senior People Experience Specialist at River Island and in the Learning Transformation team at Direct Line.

You can follow and connect with Mike via:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/communitymike/

Twitter: @Community_Mike

ABOUT THE HOST

David James 

David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa.

As well as being the Chief Learning Strategist at Looop, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D as well as an active member of the CIPD L&D Advisory Board.

CONTACT METHOD 
Twitter:  https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/
Website: https://www.looop.co/

Not many in L&amp;D recognise the opportunity to automate L&amp;D administration, compliance and entire digital learning journeys, saving enormous amounts of time as well as guiding employee performance.&nbsp;
But what does it take to get to this and how do L&amp;D teams take advantage of this opportunity, especially during these tough times? We explore all this and more in this episode.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
<ul>
<li>The most rewarding and satisfying results come from helping organisations get to a better place in terms of improvements in culture, performance and communication.</li>
<li>There is a low expectation of what learning and development offers. It can be seen as a perk of sorts, which has led to a perceived &ldquo;dumbing down&rdquo; of the profession.</li>
<li>Spend less time trying to work out what solutions there are out there, and more time understanding the performance problems in your organisation.&nbsp;</li>
<li>One of the main advantages provided by smart technology has been building user insights into any campaign, allowing us to move away from &ldquo;content play&rdquo; to a real dialogue.</li>
</ul>
BEST MOMENTS
&lsquo;One of the biggest challenges for organisations is data&rsquo;
&lsquo;It&rsquo;s about predefining a route that you want people to take&rsquo; 
&rsquo;Those conversations are what gets me out of bed in the morning' 
VALUABLE RESOURCES
New eBook: Digital Learning That Works Harder (So You Don't Have To) - https://www.looop.co/digital-learning-that-works-harder/
The Learning And Development Podcast - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523">https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523</a>
ABOUT THE GUEST
Mike Collins is a pioneering and influential voice in L&amp;D, having been Senior People Experience Specialist at River Island and in the Learning Transformation team at Direct Line.
You can follow and connect with Mike via:
LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/communitymike/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/communitymike/</a>
Twitter: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/Community_Mike">@Community_Mike</a>
ABOUT THE HOST
David James 
David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning &amp; OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East &amp; Africa.
As well as being the Chief Learning Strategist at Looop, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&amp;D as well as an active member of the CIPD L&amp;D Advisory Board.
CONTACT METHOD 
<ul>
<li>Twitter:  https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/</li>
<li>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/</li>
<li>Website: https://www.looop.co/</li>
</ul>

This is a fortnightly topical podcast show for L&D professionals hosted by David James and presented by 360Learning.

In each episode David James discusses and debates topics affecting the profession alongside expert guests.  David is a Learning & Talent leader of 25 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa. As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/ Website: https://www.360learning.com/

This is a fortnightly topical podcast show for L&amp;D professionals hosted by David James and presented by <a href="https://360learning.com/">360Learning</a>.
In each episode David James discusses and debates topics affecting the profession alongside expert guests.  David is a Learning &amp; Talent leader of 25 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning &amp; OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East &amp; Africa. As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&amp;D. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/ Website: https://www.360learning.com/

The Learning & Development Podcast

Automation & Marketing Smarts For L&D With Mike Collins

Skills-based learning is the response to the skills gaps and skills shortages being experienced across organisations, industries, and even entire economies. But how do we ensure that we achieve this, and that skills-based learning isn’t just another fad that departs as swiftly as it emerged without achieving what it’s intended to? In this episode, James Griffin talks about how L&D can step up, upskill, and deliver on the much-heralded promise of skills-based learning.

KEY TAKEAWAYS
L&D as a function needs to be brave and make the change. Skills-based learning is the opportunity to lead the way and make a difference.
The use of skills data leads to L&D being far more effective.
You can only measure business impact when you fully understand the problem you are addressing.
Getting yourself organized around skills is more dynamic. 
Assess people for the work they are doing.
Being able to build fast and edit regularly keeps the training relevant.
Skills need to be identified and described using natural, easily understood language.
Proficiency levels need to be measurable. AI can play a role in this task.
AI will help us to bridge the gaps. However, each solution needs to be rigorously evaluated.
Not all businesses are equipped to go down the skills-based learning route. James explains how to get them ready.
People are an asset; we need to measure their performance and learning and development ROI.

BEST MOMENTS

'The ability for them to be more efficient in the work that they do is now real.'

'Go to the people that do advocate for skills…. go where there is the appetite.'

'Skills are not the end game….increase performance and productivity are.'



James Griffin Bio

James is customer-focused executive, with in-depth consulting experience in enterprise SaaS innovations across the Skills & Talent spectrum.

Over the last 5+ years, James has spent a huge amount of time consulting with the largest enterprises on the planet on how to reimagine their talent transformation strategies and how to get started with skills.

You can follow and contact James via:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesthegriff/

Website: https://skillcollective.co.uk/

SkillsGPT: https://chat.openai.com/g/g-bE1ZPceUl-skillsgpt

VALUABLE RESOURCES

The Learning And Development Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523

L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

ABOUT THE HOST

David James 

David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa. 

As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D. 

CONTACT METHOD 
Twitter:  https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/
L&D Collective: https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/
Blog: https://360learning.com/blog/
L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

Skills-based learning is the response to the skills gaps and skills shortages being experienced across organisations, industries, and even entire economies. But how do we ensure that we achieve this, and that skills-based learning isn’t just another fad that departs as swiftly as it emerged without achieving what it’s intended to? In this episode, James Griffin talks about how L&amp;D can step up, upskill, and deliver on the much-heralded promise of skills-based learning.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">L&amp;D as a function needs to be brave and make the change. Skills-based learning is the opportunity to lead the way and make a difference.</li>
<li aria-level="1">The use of skills data leads to L&amp;D being far more effective.</li>
<li aria-level="1">You can only measure business impact when you fully understand the problem you are addressing.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Getting yourself organized around skills is more dynamic. </li>
<li aria-level="1">Assess people for the work they are doing.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Being able to build fast and edit regularly keeps the training relevant.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Skills need to be identified and described using natural, easily understood language.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Proficiency levels need to be measurable. AI can play a role in this task.</li>
<li aria-level="1">AI will help us to bridge the gaps. However, each solution needs to be rigorously evaluated.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Not all businesses are equipped to go down the skills-based learning route. James explains how to get them ready.</li>
<li aria-level="1">People are an asset; we need to measure their performance and learning and development ROI.</li>
</ul>
BEST MOMENTS
'The ability for them to be more efficient in the work that they do is now real.'
'Go to the people that do advocate for skills…. go where there is the appetite.'
'Skills are not the end game….increase performance and productivity are.'
 
James Griffin Bio
James is customer-focused executive, with in-depth consulting experience in enterprise SaaS innovations across the Skills &amp; Talent spectrum.
Over the last 5+ years, James has spent a huge amount of time consulting with the largest enterprises on the planet on how to reimagine their talent transformation strategies and how to get started with skills.
You can follow and contact James via:
LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesthegriff/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesthegriff/</a>
Website: <a href="https://skillcollective.co.uk/">https://skillcollective.co.uk/</a>
SkillsGPT: <a href="https://chat.openai.com/g/g-bE1ZPceUl-skillsgpt">https://chat.openai.com/g/g-bE1ZPceUl-skillsgpt</a>
VALUABLE RESOURCES
The Learning And Development Podcast - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523">https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523</a>
L&amp;D Master Class Series: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/">https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/</a>
ABOUT THE HOST
David James 
David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning &amp; OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East &amp; Africa. 
As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&amp;D. 
CONTACT METHOD 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Twitter:  <a href="https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/">https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/</a> </li>
<li aria-level="1">L&amp;D Collective: <a href="https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/">https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Blog: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/">https://360learning.com/blog/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">L&amp;D Master Class Series: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/">https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/</a></li>
</ul>

Implementing Skills-Based Learning With James Griffin

There’s often a huge difference between the rhetoric around L&D leadership and the reality. It’s not all about creating a Learning Culture and sailing a course to L&D nirvana. The reality is it’s a lot messier with a lot of hustle, winning some days and losing many more. In this episode, presented by 360Learning, Simon Gibson lifts the lid on his reality and how L&D leadership today is evolving and changing within these turbulent times.

KEY TAKEAWAYS
Hiring people from diverse backgrounds and disciplines results in a more innovative and resilient team.
L&D is evolving fast, so there are some big skill gaps, e.g. data analysis. 
Those professionals who can prove the positive impact they have had on the business are the most likely to get hired.
Get under the skin of what the managers you work for really need.
Getting managers together to discuss what challenges they face and how they overcome them is incredibly instructive for them and you. Discovery sessions are powerful.
Being clear about what you are trying to fix and staying focused on that is essential.
Analysis is essential, without it you cannot prove that you are actually closing the skills gap.
Consumption does not equal competence. If that knowledge is not retained and applied on the job, the training is useless.

BEST MOMENTS

'Theory is one thing, but show me how, show me when and what that meant. Build that body of evidence.'

'They're bound by restricted and empowered by the culture.'

'Go build that commercial muscle, go find out how things work, go find out how things are made.'

VALUABLE RESOURCES

The Learning And Development Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523

L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

Simon Gibson Bio

Simon is Group Head of Learning & Development at Marks & Spencer and an experienced executive-level People Leader/Chief Learning Officer. He has a passion to deliver meaningful commercial change and transformation via learning, organisational development, and talent initiatives.

You can follow and connect with Simon via:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simongibsonlearning/

X / Twitter: @simon1gibson

ABOUT THE HOST

David James 

David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa. 

As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D. 

CONTACT METHOD 
Twitter:  https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/
L&D Collective: https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/
Blog: https://360learning.com/blog/
L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

There’s often a huge difference between the rhetoric around L&amp;D leadership and the reality. It’s not all about creating a Learning Culture and sailing a course to L&amp;D nirvana. The reality is it’s a lot messier with a lot of hustle, winning some days and losing many more. In this episode, presented by 360Learning, Simon Gibson lifts the lid on his reality and how L&amp;D leadership today is evolving and changing within these turbulent times.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Hiring people from diverse backgrounds and disciplines results in a more innovative and resilient team.</li>
<li aria-level="1">L&amp;D is evolving fast, so there are some big skill gaps, e.g. data analysis. </li>
<li aria-level="1">Those professionals who can prove the positive impact they have had on the business are the most likely to get hired.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Get under the skin of what the managers you work for really need.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Getting managers together to discuss what challenges they face and how they overcome them is incredibly instructive for them and you. Discovery sessions are powerful.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Being clear about what you are trying to fix and staying focused on that is essential.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Analysis is essential, without it you cannot prove that you are actually closing the skills gap.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Consumption does not equal competence. If that knowledge is not retained and applied on the job, the training is useless.</li>
</ul>
BEST MOMENTS
'Theory is one thing, but show me how, show me when and what that meant. Build that body of evidence.'
'They're bound by restricted and empowered by the culture.'
'Go build that commercial muscle, go find out how things work, go find out how things are made.'
VALUABLE RESOURCES
The Learning And Development Podcast - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523">https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523</a>
L&amp;D Master Class Series: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/">https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/</a>
Simon Gibson Bio
Simon is Group Head of Learning &amp; Development at Marks &amp; Spencer and an experienced executive-level People Leader/Chief Learning Officer. He has a passion to deliver meaningful commercial change and transformation via learning, organisational development, and talent initiatives.
You can follow and connect with Simon via:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simongibsonlearning/
X / Twitter: @simon1gibson
ABOUT THE HOST
David James 
David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning &amp; OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East &amp; Africa. 
As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&amp;D. 
CONTACT METHOD 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Twitter:  <a href="https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/">https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/</a> </li>
<li aria-level="1">L&amp;D Collective: <a href="https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/">https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Blog: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/">https://360learning.com/blog/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">L&amp;D Master Class Series: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/">https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/</a></li>
</ul>

L&D Leadership Today With Simon Gibson

Using data effectively is a growing priority for - and skill set in - L&D. It’s essential for both planning for and measuring impact. In this episode, presented by 360Learning, we explore this in detail in the hope that 2024 is our year for greater planned and demonstrable impact.

KEY TAKEAWAYS
Data-wise, L&D has always looked at what they have done – in the rear-view mirror. Now, it is necessary to use data to see where we are.
Business impact must be proved and the data that enables you to do that is now at your fingertips.
L&D is all about creating capability by creating skills. That is the impact L&D has on the business and the bottom line.
Identify the skill(s) you need to add, teach it, and check that people are using it and that this is improving the business´ results.
To create skills that work for your particular business, your courses must be tailor-made.
Measure the effectiveness of the course, by including a realistic test. If most people fail, you need to change the course content.
Making sure things are changing in the workplace is essential. If it isn´t tweak the training.
Create a blueprint for the outcomes of each course, before building it.
At first, you may have to chase to get the data you need to properly analyse whether the course is working.

BEST MOMENTS

'We are out there cranking out those courses. But how much do we really understand about what our impact is?'

'Eventually, someone's gonna say, Where's the quantifiable data that actually says you did this?'

'Without this data, we are hiding our work, our impact.'

'We’re the only department that builds skills, we need data on skills.'

VALUABLE RESOURCES

The Learning And Development Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523

L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

Laura Paramoure Bio

Laura Paramoure, EdD, has 25 years of experience in performance improvement, training design, and evaluation. She is the author of ROI by Design™ (2014) and a featured speaker on the topic of return on investment for training organizations. Her private sector experience includes Director of Training and Development with Parata systems where she was responsible for the establishment and deployment of both domestic and international training. She is currently the CEO of eParamus, a company which helps organizations of all types and sizes optimize and verify the impact of their training programs.

You can follow and connect with Laura via:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-paramoure/

Website: https://www.eparamus.com

ABOUT THE HOST

David James 

David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa. 

As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D. 

CONTACT METHOD 
Twitter:  https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/
L&D Collective: https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/
Blog: https://360learning.com/blog/
L&D Master Class Series: https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/

Using data effectively is a growing priority for - and skill set in - L&amp;D. It’s essential for both planning for and measuring impact. In this episode, presented by 360Learning, we explore this in detail in the hope that 2024 is our year for greater planned and demonstrable impact.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Data-wise, L&amp;D has always looked at what they have done – in the rear-view mirror. Now, it is necessary to use data to see where we are.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Business impact must be proved and the data that enables you to do that is now at your fingertips.</li>
<li aria-level="1">L&amp;D is all about creating capability by creating skills. That is the impact L&amp;D has on the business and the bottom line.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Identify the skill(s) you need to add, teach it, and check that people are using it and that this is improving the business´ results.</li>
<li aria-level="1">To create skills that work for your particular business, your courses must be tailor-made.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Measure the effectiveness of the course, by including a realistic test. If most people fail, you need to change the course content.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Making sure things are changing in the workplace is essential. If it isn´t tweak the training.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Create a blueprint for the outcomes of each course, before building it.</li>
<li aria-level="1">At first, you may have to chase to get the data you need to properly analyse whether the course is working.</li>
</ul>
BEST MOMENTS
'We are out there cranking out those courses. But how much do we really understand about what our impact is?'
'Eventually, someone's gonna say, Where's the quantifiable data that actually says you did this?'
'Without this data, we are hiding our work, our impact.'
'We’re the only department that builds skills, we need data on skills.'
VALUABLE RESOURCES
The Learning And Development Podcast - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523">https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-learning-development-podcast/id1466927523</a>
L&amp;D Master Class Series: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/">https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/</a>
Laura Paramoure Bio
Laura Paramoure, EdD, has 25 years of experience in performance improvement, training design, and evaluation. She is the author of ROI by Design™ (2014) and a featured speaker on the topic of return on investment for training organizations. Her private sector experience includes Director of Training and Development with Parata systems where she was responsible for the establishment and deployment of both domestic and international training. She is currently the CEO of eParamus, a company which helps organizations of all types and sizes optimize and verify the impact of their training programs.
You can follow and connect with Laura via:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-paramoure/
Website: <a href="https://www.eparamus.com">https://www.eparamus.com</a>
ABOUT THE HOST
David James 
David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning &amp; OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East &amp; Africa. 
As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&amp;D. 
CONTACT METHOD 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Twitter:  <a href="https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/">https://twitter.com/davidinlearning/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjameslinkedin/</a> </li>
<li aria-level="1">L&amp;D Collective: <a href="https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/">https://360learning.com/the-l-and-d-collective/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Blog: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/">https://360learning.com/blog/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">L&amp;D Master Class Series: <a href="https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/">https://360learning.com/blog/l-and-d-masterclass-home/</a></li>
</ul>

Automation & Marketing Smarts For L&D With Mike Collins

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