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Agile Learning & Development with Natal Dank: Part 2

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When pressed to run a Learning & Development team that reliably, efficiently, and predictably impacts performance, time and time again professionals turn to Agile. As an approach, it has long been employed in HR and L&D teams but like most trends, when the hype dies down many move their attention to elsewhere. However, why move on from something that works? In this episode, Natal Dank returns to the podcast to bring us up to date with how Agile is continuing to make impact to L&D teams.


  • Building business agility is about creating a toolkit tailored to how the business operates.
  • Increasingly businesses are building the customer experience around the product.
  • You often need to move and make decisions without knowing everything. Things move too quickly for this not to be the case, which is why Agility is so important.
  • Mapping the skills is the key to being able to move fast and be adaptable.
  • See the whole employee experience as the L&D product and keep that understanding up to date.
  • Human-centred design sprints help you to identify which problems to solve first.
  • Understand how you sit in the business stream.
  • To get started with Agile use it to solve a single problem. Natal explains how in the podcast.
  • Establish some core principles from you hypotheses and start to design around that.


'You´ve got to deliver now, and not tomorrow.'

'You can´t solve complex problems in silos.'

'Agile is about being laser focused.'


Natal Dank Bio

Following over a decade working in senior HR, Talent and Organisational Development roles, Natal is now a leading figure in Agile HR and People Experience.

Natal heads-up learning, coaching, and community at PXO Culture and is seen as a pioneer in the Agile HR movement. In 2016 Natal hosted the first Agile HR Meetup in London with the aim of building a community of like-minded disrupters, which has since grown into a regular event held across the world from Sydney to Paris and online. A year later she co-founded the Agile HR Community and has recently published the book, Agile HR. Now, through PXO Culture, Natal is focused on defining modern HR for the 21st Century. 

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David James 

David has been a People Development professional for more than 20 years, most notably as Director of Talent, Learning & OD for The Walt Disney Company across Europe, the Middle East & Africa. 

As well as being the Chief Learning Officer at 360Learning, David is a prominent writer and speaker on topics around modern and digital L&D. 


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