In this episode of The Larry Arnn Show, Hillsdale College President Larry P. Arnn interviews Leif Babin, former U.S. Navy SEAL officer, co-author of New York Times bestseller Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win, and co-founder of Echelon Front. The two discuss the bloody lessons Babin acquired about leadership from his time in the Middle East, what we can learn from warfare in classical history, and the challenges America’s military faces today.

This interview was conducted on April 1st, 2026.

Discover more at podcast.hillsdale.edu.

In this episode of&nbsp;The Larry Arnn Show, Hillsdale College President Larry P. Arnn interviews Leif Babin, former U.S. Navy SEAL officer, co-author of New York Times bestseller&nbsp;<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250067057?lv=shuf&amp;channelId=500&amp;plpRedirect=mhFallback">Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win</a>, and co-founder of <a href="https://echelonfront.com/">Echelon Front</a>. The two discuss the bloody lessons Babin acquired about leadership from his time in the Middle East, what we can learn from warfare in classical history, and the challenges America&rsquo;s military faces today.
This interview was conducted on April 1st, 2026.
Discover more at podcast.hillsdale.edu.

Larry P. Arnn, President of Hillsdale College, sits down with guests of the College to talk about topics of enduring relevance.

Larry P. Arnn, President of Hillsdale College, sits down with guests of the College to talk about topics of enduring relevance.

Interviews conducted by Hillsdale President Larry P. Arnn