Patia sits down with Tom Breyfogle, a Producer on The Knife. First, Patia tells Tom a story about Stanley Alpert who narrowly escaped a 25-hour kidnapping. Then, Tom tells Patia about a time a man popped up from his car's back seat, flashed his gun and told Tom to drive.

Patia’s Book Recommendation: The Responsible Party by Claire Carusillo

Tom’s Movie Recommendation: Highest 2 Lowest