Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. I'm into studies about relationships. I know they don't give the whole picture, but they so often give interesting insight into what's really going on between people. Somebody posted a Frontiers in Psychology study. It was looking at why large numbers of people in Western societies are single, and they had some interesting notes like women are a little more likely to say that they're too picky eighty two percent of women versus sixty eight percent of men. Both men and women say they're afraid of commitment at about fifty five percent. Both are in the high eighties in the want to be free to do whatever they want. Men want to be free to quote flirt around slightly more than women twenty seven percent versus eighteen percent. But then what was really interesting to me is that both sexes overwhelmingly say that they're not good at flirting. Ninety one percent of women and eighty six percent of men said that. And again, I think it's interesting that more women ninety one percent of women versus eighty six percent of men say that. I thought that was kind of funny, But they're, you know, both pretty high up there, and I think it's a real problem. Flirting is signaling interest, and one of the best ways to signal interest is to ask people questions about themselves and then listen for the answer. There's more to flirting, of course, but you know, there's banter, and there's making people feel good about themselves. But I think the overall issue is that a lot of people just don't know how to have conversations anymore at all. It's hard to ignore that the generations that are struggling with things like flirting, the ones who are perpetually single, the ones who aren't getting married, the ones who aren't having kids, are the same generations that have had the Internet their entire lives. I talk a lot about living your life offline, and I admit that I do a lot of my socializing online. I've made close friends online. I really do get the concept that the Internet can be used for good and social media can actually be social. But I'm Generation X and I had to learn to talk to people before there was an internet. I really do think that too much screen time makes people boring in real life. It starts so absurdly young. Now I've written about this before, but I've watched families get to the beach, lotion up their kids and then tuck them under umbrellas with their phones for the day, or arrive at restaurants and hand out iPads for the children with no expectations of any interaction throughout the meal. A playdate at a park is two kids staring at iPads side by side. I'm not perfect. I've definitely given my kids a phone and a restaurant if it ran too late or if they were melting down. Nobody's perfect, But the idea of just getting there and handing out devices and not even trying to have them, you know, have conversations or interact at all. It's bad. Kids need boredom. They cannot be entertained every minute of every day. Kids who can't be bored end up being boring. You see their dull faces, incapable of maintaining a conversation with anyone. Eye contact is impossible. They can't function, they're on a drug, and everyone seems like they're okay with it. That's the worst part of too much screen time. It leads to people who can't meaningfully participate in society. They don't know how to have relationships. The phone literally stands between them and real life, and that real life it's awkward, it's tedious, it's monotonous. It just can't compete with the constant dopamine hits and filters that fix every flaw on the phone. When you're always perfecting your angles or dropping just exactly the right words online, it gets very tough to function in real life. And I think studies like this prove that out there are no easy answers. But if I were single right now and I didn't want to be, I would cut way back on my Internet usage. I know it sounds kind of counterintuitive since so much of the dating world originates online. Now, look, continue swiping if that's how you meet people, but really limit how much more time you spend beyond that scrolling. And if you have kids, I understand the impulse to let them use screens just like their friends do. Again, we let our kids use screens. I'm not going to lie to you and say we don't. But not at restaurants, not at the beach, not in places where they should be talking to other people and learning how to have conversations. Teach them how to have conversations where they ask questions, listen for the response add something to what everyone else is saying, and hope that they grow up to be part of that ten percent of the population that apparently knows how to flirt. Coming up next and interview with Brian Kilmead. Join us after the break.

Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. I'm into studies about relationships. I know they don't give the whole picture, but they so often give interesting insight into what's really going on between people. Somebody posted a Frontiers in Psychology study. It was looking at why large numbers of people in Western societies are single, and they had some interesting notes like women are a little more likely to say that they're too picky eighty two percent of women versus sixty eight percent of men. Both men and women say they're afraid of commitment at about fifty five percent. Both are in the high eighties in the want to be free to do whatever they want. Men want to be free to quote flirt around slightly more than women twenty seven percent versus eighteen percent. But then what was really interesting to me is that both sexes overwhelmingly say that they're not good at flirting. Ninety one percent of women and eighty six percent of men said that. And again, I think it's interesting that more women ninety one percent of women versus eighty six percent of men say that. I thought that was kind of funny, But they're, you know, both pretty high up there, and I think it's a real problem. Flirting is signaling interest, and one of the best ways to signal interest is to ask people questions about themselves and then listen for the answer. There's more to flirting, of course, but you know, there's banter, and there's making people feel good about themselves. But I think the overall issue is that a lot of people just don't know how to have conversations anymore at all. It's hard to ignore that the generations that are struggling with things like flirting, the ones who are perpetually single, the ones who aren't getting married, the ones who aren't having kids, are the same generations that have had the Internet their entire lives. I talk a lot about living your life offline, and I admit that I do a lot of my socializing online. I've made close friends online. I really do get the concept that the Internet can be used for good and social media can actually be social. But I'm Generation X and I had to learn to talk to people before there was an internet. I really do think that too much screen time makes people boring in real life. It starts so absurdly young. Now I've written about this before, but I've watched families get to the beach, lotion up their kids and then tuck them under umbrellas with their phones for the day, or arrive at restaurants and hand out iPads for the children with no expectations of any interaction throughout the meal. A playdate at a park is two kids staring at iPads side by side. I'm not perfect. I've definitely given my kids a phone and a restaurant if it ran too late or if they were melting down. Nobody's perfect, But the idea of just getting there and handing out devices and not even trying to have them, you know, have conversations or interact at all. It's bad. Kids need boredom. They cannot be entertained every minute of every day. Kids who can't be bored end up being boring. You see their dull faces, incapable of maintaining a conversation with anyone. Eye contact is impossible. They can't function, they're on a drug, and everyone seems like they're okay with it. That's the worst part of too much screen time. It leads to people who can't meaningfully participate in society. They don't know how to have relationships. The phone literally stands between them and real life, and that real life it's awkward, it's tedious, it's monotonous. It just can't compete with the constant dopamine hits and filters that fix every flaw on the phone. When you're always perfecting your angles or dropping just exactly the right words online, it gets very tough to function in real life. And I think studies like this prove that out there are no easy answers. But if I were single right now and I didn't want to be, I would cut way back on my Internet usage. I know it sounds kind of counterintuitive since so much of the dating world originates online. Now, look, continue swiping if that's how you meet people, but really limit how much more time you spend beyond that scrolling. And if you have kids, I understand the impulse to let them use screens just like their friends do. Again, we let our kids use screens. I'm not going to lie to you and say we don't. But not at restaurants, not at the beach, not in places where they should be talking to other people and learning how to have conversations. Teach them how to have conversations where they ask questions, listen for the response add something to what everyone else is saying, and hope that they grow up to be part of that ten percent of the population that apparently knows how to flirt. Coming up next and interview with Brian Kilmead. Join us after the break.

My next guest is Fox News host and New York Times best selling author Brian kill Mead. He's written a new book out now, Teddy and Booker, t how two American icons blazed a path for racial equality. Thanks so much for coming on my show, Brian.

My next guest is Fox News host and New York Times best selling author Brian kill Mead. He's written a new book out now, Teddy and Booker, t how two American icons blazed a path for racial equality. Thanks so much for coming on my show, Brian.

Usually i'm interviewing you.

Usually i'm interviewing you.

You know, it's so exciting your column or your kids.

You know, it's so exciting your column or your kids.

Yes, this is great.

Yes, this is great.

I am extremely excited to read your book, and I have loved your previous history books.

I am extremely excited to read your book, and I have loved your previous history books.

I think you're just fantastic, So thank you so much. Tell us about your new book.

I think you're just fantastic, So thank you so much. Tell us about your new book.

Well, I mean.

Well, I mean.

I wanted to move up through time, and I started with George Washington's Spy Ring and then what after that was something unplowed, which was Thomas Jefferson took on the Islamic extremists to TRIPLEI Pirates.

I wanted to move up through time, and I started with George Washington's Spy Ring and then what after that was something unplowed, which was Thomas Jefferson took on the Islamic extremists to TRIPLEI Pirates.

I loved that one.

I loved that one.

The Triple One was amazing.

The Triple One was amazing.

Yeah, yeah, I mean we were on track to get it was supposed to be on an e They scripted it out to be a three part series, and the pandemic hit.

Yeah, yeah, I mean we were on track to get it was supposed to be on an e They scripted it out to be a three part series, and the pandemic hit.

You heard about the pandemic.

You heard about the pandemic.

I have heard about the pandemic. Yeah, I mean I'm in Florida now. They don't really know about it down here either.

I have heard about the pandemic. Yeah, I mean I'm in Florida now. They don't really know about it down here either.

The crazy thing that they allowed people to walk on the beach and they got criticized for that, you remember, right, So then we got to the War of eighteen twelve, and then I got to the Texas how it came to be with Sam Houston and the Alamo Avengers, And I thought, how do I take on the Civil War? Its almost written about war outside World War Two for American audience. I said, what if I just talked about how Lincoln and Frederick Douglas worked together, which brings me to what's next? And I just said, well, who picked up where they left off that had some time interaction with them. And even before I read Frederick Douglas, I read up from slavery booker T. Washington's autobiography that was the best African American bestseller until Malcolm XU released is, and it was just so motivating, inspirational, an Teddy Roosevelt's sender. And then talking to his I went to a descendants meeting of presidents and there was Tweed Roosevelt and he runs the lu Roosevelt Center now. And I got to know motive by I said, Tweet, well could you tell me about your great grand father and Booker t And he went off and he said, oh, what a great relationship. It's unexplored and this is what goes. He knew everything cold. And I said, okay, not, you know, not well worn out. What if I talk about how they looked at America. That was Jim Crow, poll taxes, stepper body, equal.

The crazy thing that they allowed people to walk on the beach and they got criticized for that, you remember, right, So then we got to the War of eighteen twelve, and then I got to the Texas how it came to be with Sam Houston and the Alamo Avengers, And I thought, how do I take on the Civil War? Its almost written about war outside World War Two for American audience. I said, what if I just talked about how Lincoln and Frederick Douglas worked together, which brings me to what's next? And I just said, well, who picked up where they left off that had some time interaction with them. And even before I read Frederick Douglas, I read up from slavery booker T. Washington's autobiography that was the best African American bestseller until Malcolm XU released is, and it was just so motivating, inspirational, an Teddy Roosevelt's sender. And then talking to his I went to a descendants meeting of presidents and there was Tweed Roosevelt and he runs the lu Roosevelt Center now. And I got to know motive by I said, Tweet, well could you tell me about your great grand father and Booker t And he went off and he said, oh, what a great relationship. It's unexplored and this is what goes. He knew everything cold. And I said, okay, not, you know, not well worn out. What if I talk about how they looked at America. That was Jim Crow, poll taxes, stepper body, equal.

The whole.

The whole.

You know what the South was like in some in many Southern states back then.

You know what the South was like in some in many Southern states back then.

You know what the Democrats were like.

You know what the Democrats were like.

And that's I said, Well, let me tell here's a guy that actually lived it, went back to it and spend the rest of his life trying to make it better through education, which is right up your alley. And he did it through which was I just did an interview with micro and I bounced it off him two years ago because he was build up your mind, spoke it to Washington. But everybody's going to learn a trade. And he's also, by the way, you're going to learn that trade. Here are you going to Are you going to be a cabinet maker great? Are you going to be a construction gun fantastic? Going to be into agriculture, a blacksmith, whatever it is.

And that's I said, Well, let me tell here's a guy that actually lived it, went back to it and spend the rest of his life trying to make it better through education, which is right up your alley. And he did it through which was I just did an interview with micro and I bounced it off him two years ago because he was build up your mind, spoke it to Washington. But everybody's going to learn a trade. And he's also, by the way, you're going to learn that trade. Here are you going to Are you going to be a cabinet maker great? Are you going to be a construction gun fantastic? Going to be into agriculture, a blacksmith, whatever it is.

You will learn to trade.

You will learn to trade.

Why because white people aren't ready to hire you yet, so you have to be invaluable. They got to realize sooner or later, if people are blocking you in life, you got to be so good they can't deny you. And instead of just making Booker T. Washington great, which he was, he decided to make a generation great. Thousands of kids would go through Tuskegee and then they were with the Rosenwald Schools, learning of trade, building up the mind, overcoming any racist racial barriers that were in our country at the time. I thought that would be a pretty cool story to bring forward because Teddy Roosevelt was another guy. Okay, he was born into wealth, but he almost died. He wasn't supposed to survive child and he had a huge site problem. Thought he was going blind, he had asthma.

Why because white people aren't ready to hire you yet, so you have to be invaluable. They got to realize sooner or later, if people are blocking you in life, you got to be so good they can't deny you. And instead of just making Booker T. Washington great, which he was, he decided to make a generation great. Thousands of kids would go through Tuskegee and then they were with the Rosenwald Schools, learning of trade, building up the mind, overcoming any racist racial barriers that were in our country at the time. I thought that would be a pretty cool story to bring forward because Teddy Roosevelt was another guy. Okay, he was born into wealth, but he almost died. He wasn't supposed to survive child and he had a huge site problem. Thought he was going blind, he had asthma.

Couldn't go to regular school.

Couldn't go to regular school.

First time he went to formal school was he when he went to Yale. So he goes over there and he ends up becoming this robust individual who decided to overcome his feeble youth.

First time he went to formal school was he when he went to Yale. So he goes over there and he ends up becoming this robust individual who decided to overcome his feeble youth.

And build up a body the rest of his life.

And build up a body the rest of his life.

And when he looked back and his mom was born in the South, is our brother's part for the Confederacy. So he had a knowledge of the South. It wasn't another planet to him right then. He had a knowledge of the Midwest, and those are like working in your hands, being a rancher and a tough guy, legitimate cowboy.

And when he looked back and his mom was born in the South, is our brother's part for the Confederacy. So he had a knowledge of the South. It wasn't another planet to him right then. He had a knowledge of the Midwest, and those are like working in your hands, being a rancher and a tough guy, legitimate cowboy.

But he wanted to understand the South.

But he wanted to understand the South.

And he said, I re read up from Slavery too, and him and Edith said, we got to get a hold of this guy, Booker T. Washington, and then we watched their relationship take root. And that's what I thought i'd bring forward.

And he said, I re read up from Slavery too, and him and Edith said, we got to get a hold of this guy, Booker T. Washington, and then we watched their relationship take root. And that's what I thought i'd bring forward.

Yeah, I really love that.

Yeah, I really love that.

I think that both of them, I mean Teddy Roosevelt obviously, you know, we do learn about him in history class Booker T. Washington less, but I think that, you know, just they're both kind of unexplored figures for I mean, I think most kids going through a history education right now, which you.

I think that both of them, I mean Teddy Roosevelt obviously, you know, we do learn about him in history class Booker T. Washington less, but I think that, you know, just they're both kind of unexplored figures for I mean, I think most kids going through a history education right now, which you.

Know is a problem to me that we don't learn history.

Know is a problem to me that we don't learn history.

But and obviously Teddy Roosevelt went through a moment where his statue was torn down in New York City because it was, you know, inappropriate in front of the Natural History Museum the right, and I believe that statue was actually I don't remember what the situation was, but it was like, because Native Americans were in the statue, that was somehow inappropriate. So I think the fact that we spent all this time tearing down history instead of building it up. I love that you're telling the story of these two men. So what was their you know relationship ultimately? Like were they friends?

But and obviously Teddy Roosevelt went through a moment where his statue was torn down in New York City because it was, you know, inappropriate in front of the Natural History Museum the right, and I believe that statue was actually I don't remember what the situation was, but it was like, because Native Americans were in the statue, that was somehow inappropriate. So I think the fact that we spent all this time tearing down history instead of building it up. I love that you're telling the story of these two men. So what was their you know relationship ultimately? Like were they friends?

Carol? A couple of things.

Carol? A couple of things.

Number one is the people that Teddy Roosevelt Museum, which is now going to be in North Dakota where he spent all this time ranching. It's such an impact on him, they're going to they ship it out. They're going to ship it out that direction. And the reason why they box it up is because Teddy was on a horse and an African American standing behind him along with thee which is not offensive, was unbelievable. They box it up and split out. That's when we were drunk with anger and it's embarrassing. I was doing the history of the police in New York City for Fox Nation, and I wanted to do a thing right by the statue, and I walk out there with Ray Kelly, and it's boxed up.

Number one is the people that Teddy Roosevelt Museum, which is now going to be in North Dakota where he spent all this time ranching. It's such an impact on him, they're going to they ship it out. They're going to ship it out that direction. And the reason why they box it up is because Teddy was on a horse and an African American standing behind him along with thee which is not offensive, was unbelievable. They box it up and split out. That's when we were drunk with anger and it's embarrassing. I was doing the history of the police in New York City for Fox Nation, and I wanted to do a thing right by the statue, and I walk out there with Ray Kelly, and it's boxed up.

It's crazy boxed up.

It's crazy boxed up.

So listen, you'll see some quotes from day Roosevelt and you go, oh my goodness. You know, obviously racially he was a person of his times.

So listen, you'll see some quotes from day Roosevelt and you go, oh my goodness. You know, obviously racially he was a person of his times.

But you see a lot of his actions and the way he interact with Burgert Washington. You know, he treated everyone equal.

But you see a lot of his actions and the way he interact with Burgert Washington. You know, he treated everyone equal.

But at the same time he was at Victimus times the same thing you would look at Abraham Lincoln said some things where you go, oh my goodness, I can't believe this is the great emancipator.

But at the same time he was at Victimus times the same thing you would look at Abraham Lincoln said some things where you go, oh my goodness, I can't believe this is the great emancipator.

But he would change over time like we all do hopefully. Right.

But he would change over time like we all do hopefully. Right.

No, I think, you know, maybe we shouldn't hold historical figures to modern standards. I think even things that we said, you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago and you know now no longer allowed. So as we change our standards and get rid of anybody who ever spoke in a way that we don't speak today, I think that maybe that's a foolish thing to do.

No, I think, you know, maybe we shouldn't hold historical figures to modern standards. I think even things that we said, you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago and you know now no longer allowed. So as we change our standards and get rid of anybody who ever spoke in a way that we don't speak today, I think that maybe that's a foolish thing to do.

Yeah, I'll give you a great quote.

Yeah, I'll give you a great quote.

So he obviously is living in the South, where if you were caught dating a white woman or a black man, you get hanged.

So he obviously is living in the South, where if you were caught dating a white woman or a black man, you get hanged.

And he saw lynchings all around him.

And he saw lynchings all around him.

He saw some inequities he couldn't tolerate, but he looked at the big picture. This is the America I'm in. How do I make it better? And how do I educate people rather than agitate people? And he writes this, with a few exceptions, the negro youth must work harder and perform his task even better than a white youth in order to secure recognition. He also saw silver lining it, he said, quote out of the hard and unusual struggle through which he is compelled to pass, he gets to strengthen confidence that one misses whose pathway is comparatively smooth by reason of birth and race.

He saw some inequities he couldn't tolerate, but he looked at the big picture. This is the America I'm in. How do I make it better? And how do I educate people rather than agitate people? And he writes this, with a few exceptions, the negro youth must work harder and perform his task even better than a white youth in order to secure recognition. He also saw silver lining it, he said, quote out of the hard and unusual struggle through which he is compelled to pass, he gets to strengthen confidence that one misses whose pathway is comparatively smooth by reason of birth and race.

Yeah, it's unequal.

Yeah, it's unequal.

But if you understand that and you overcome that, think about where you'll be as a person.

But if you understand that and you overcome that, think about where you'll be as a person.

And dare I say, in a career?

And dare I say, in a career?

Right?

Right?

So I usually end with this question, but I think you know, asking it sort of at the top. I think probably your book and actually all your history work might inform your answer. But what do you think is our largest cultural or societal problem in America? And do you think it's solvable?

So I usually end with this question, but I think you know, asking it sort of at the top. I think probably your book and actually all your history work might inform your answer. But what do you think is our largest cultural or societal problem in America? And do you think it's solvable?

I just think fundamentally, we don't appreciate where we're at, and it's hard to appreciate something you've always had a couple of two, three generations. People look around and go, well, I see imperfections. I think we have lost patriotism in a sense of exceptionalism. But it's easy to get back. All you have to do is realize it's the problem. So putting it into our schools. Don't indoctrinate me. Tell me, tell me the story. I'm not telling you that there was no racism. I'm not telling you that there wasn't any slavery. But I'm watching these figures emerge, and also know that there's more African Americans today coming to America than any of the country in the world. So if it's that bad and the most successful, I believe this was the case two years ago.

I just think fundamentally, we don't appreciate where we're at, and it's hard to appreciate something you've always had a couple of two, three generations. People look around and go, well, I see imperfections. I think we have lost patriotism in a sense of exceptionalism. But it's easy to get back. All you have to do is realize it's the problem. So putting it into our schools. Don't indoctrinate me. Tell me, tell me the story. I'm not telling you that there was no racism. I'm not telling you that there wasn't any slavery. But I'm watching these figures emerge, and also know that there's more African Americans today coming to America than any of the country in the world. So if it's that bad and the most successful, I believe this was the case two years ago.

Probably today the most successful new immigrant immigrant.

Probably today the most successful new immigrant immigrant.

Group coming here are Nigerians. Their education and their culture. They come over with the kind of a sophisticated they had the easiest time blending in, as opposed to somebody from Somalia through a culture that's so dramatically different. So we know race doesn't matter, and we also know that no matter how smart you are, naturally, it's how hard you're gonna work for what you have. So I think the biggest problem is we're not grounded in the same thing we used to say.

Group coming here are Nigerians. Their education and their culture. They come over with the kind of a sophisticated they had the easiest time blending in, as opposed to somebody from Somalia through a culture that's so dramatically different. So we know race doesn't matter, and we also know that no matter how smart you are, naturally, it's how hard you're gonna work for what you have. So I think the biggest problem is we're not grounded in the same thing we used to say.

We love this country. I have a different vision to make it better.

We love this country. I have a different vision to make it better.

There's a lot of people protesting today anti Semitism, anti American pro hamas.

There's a lot of people protesting today anti Semitism, anti American pro hamas.

They clearly don't.

They clearly don't.

Like the country and clearly are embarrassed by the country. And if you could just start getting a generation understanding how specially we are compared elsewhere, for those who can't travel and see for yourself, I think that would iron out a lot of things. Also, competition, and I know you write a book about this competition and education. The minute you get competition in education, I think things will straighten out because parents like you and me will go, excuse me, this my school. I'm going somewhere else. Give me my eight thousand dollars.

Like the country and clearly are embarrassed by the country. And if you could just start getting a generation understanding how specially we are compared elsewhere, for those who can't travel and see for yourself, I think that would iron out a lot of things. Also, competition, and I know you write a book about this competition and education. The minute you get competition in education, I think things will straighten out because parents like you and me will go, excuse me, this my school. I'm going somewhere else. Give me my eight thousand dollars.

I'm gonna go down.

I'm gonna go down.

I'm going to the Catholic school down the block, the charter school in the city.

I'm going to the Catholic school down the block, the charter school in the city.

I'm gonna leave.

I'm gonna leave.

And when you get enough leaving, all of a sudden, those jobs will leave less. The public schools straightens out his act.

And when you get enough leaving, all of a sudden, those jobs will leave less. The public schools straightens out his act.

That's right, and how do we get your book in the public schools?

That's right, and how do we get your book in the public schools?

You know?

You know?

Oh yeah, I mean I have a lot of people take it for homeschool, and yeah, that's it.

Oh yeah, I mean I have a lot of people take it for homeschool, and yeah, that's it.

And that's another thing. And they'll say something, would you be able to call in? And best? I can I call in?

And that's another thing. And they'll say something, would you be able to call in? And best? I can I call in?

So you have a group of like a pod of eight to twelve kids, and I'll call in and I'll talk to them.

So you have a group of like a pod of eight to twelve kids, and I'll call in and I'll talk to them.

And I find that very interesting.

And I find that very interesting.

Were there any surprises while you were writing Teddy and Booker T?

Were there any surprises while you were writing Teddy and Booker T?

Yes?

Yes?

How much criticism he got in his real life. Both like Mark Twain never liked Teddy Roosevelt. I thought he was a big showman full of hot air, and it bothered him. Mark Twain loved Booker T. Washington And how many people in Booker T. Washington's life were critical of him while he was alive. Like WB the Boys was founded the NAACP. Who was never a slave, was born, was highly educated, did a lot of great things, great minds, great education. Never you couldn't say that he had a fraction of the impact.

How much criticism he got in his real life. Both like Mark Twain never liked Teddy Roosevelt. I thought he was a big showman full of hot air, and it bothered him. Mark Twain loved Booker T. Washington And how many people in Booker T. Washington's life were critical of him while he was alive. Like WB the Boys was founded the NAACP. Who was never a slave, was born, was highly educated, did a lot of great things, great minds, great education. Never you couldn't say that he had a fraction of the impact.

That Booker D. Washington net. But he was very critical.

That Booker D. Washington net. But he was very critical.

And to see other African Americans critical of this black superstar, why because they said he was too compliant. He wasn't standing up more for the injustices that we all saw, you know, from the water fountains to the bathrooms, to the no longer allout in schools, to not being able to play sports, all that stuff. WB du bois an example. Somebody wanted to fight all that and he said, I can't fight, and book it to you.

And to see other African Americans critical of this black superstar, why because they said he was too compliant. He wasn't standing up more for the injustices that we all saw, you know, from the water fountains to the bathrooms, to the no longer allout in schools, to not being able to play sports, all that stuff. WB du bois an example. Somebody wanted to fight all that and he said, I can't fight, and book it to you.

I said, I can't fight all that, but I could fight a lot.

I said, I can't fight all that, but I could fight a lot.

And if you're gonna be if the Johnson family is unbelievably racist, I don't hate them.

And if you're gonna be if the Johnson family is unbelievably racist, I don't hate them.

But I'm gonna deal with the other two families that aren't.

But I'm gonna deal with the other two families that aren't.

And maybe the Johnson family by watching the way the others treat me and I treat them, will change. And w B du boys like Al Sharpton was just how dare you not confront that racism you just saw? And he said, I'm living in the South and I'm trying to change generations in my time. And he died at fifty nine. And you're talking about in the perfect world, this is what the perfect way to live would be. And that's fine, but we could both coexist. He didn't see it that way because Boogety Watching was so big, so famous, white people were very comfortable with him.

And maybe the Johnson family by watching the way the others treat me and I treat them, will change. And w B du boys like Al Sharpton was just how dare you not confront that racism you just saw? And he said, I'm living in the South and I'm trying to change generations in my time. And he died at fifty nine. And you're talking about in the perfect world, this is what the perfect way to live would be. And that's fine, but we could both coexist. He didn't see it that way because Boogety Watching was so big, so famous, white people were very comfortable with him.

It bothered him.

It bothered him.

Andrew Carnegie called him one of his best friends. JP Morgan the same thing. Rosenwold, the founder of Sears, the same thing. These guys were tight, and to see him with these powerful people, many people thought, well, he had to have sold his soul for that.

Andrew Carnegie called him one of his best friends. JP Morgan the same thing. Rosenwold, the founder of Sears, the same thing. These guys were tight, and to see him with these powerful people, many people thought, well, he had to have sold his soul for that.

He goes.

He goes.

No. They would turn around and donate to his school another hb as a historical Black colleges, and they were both winning. They felt bad about the inequities in society. They wanted to help any where they can. They had a ton of money, they wanted to help. And yet people view Booker T. Washington doing that while not calling out any racious brasal practices that might have existed in their finances and their businesses. He thought that was too willing to comply. And that was the biggest surprise. I'm like, wait a second, you can't see that. The fact that he's lauded in England and in France and in Spain and Germany and right, and he's looked up this way, isn't an inspiration the generations of black youth that you can do this too, And he did. He was very critical in fact, I think in his eulogy he started three or four lines WB to boys and compliment him and then says, here's how we set the mission back.

No. They would turn around and donate to his school another hb as a historical Black colleges, and they were both winning. They felt bad about the inequities in society. They wanted to help any where they can. They had a ton of money, they wanted to help. And yet people view Booker T. Washington doing that while not calling out any racious brasal practices that might have existed in their finances and their businesses. He thought that was too willing to comply. And that was the biggest surprise. I'm like, wait a second, you can't see that. The fact that he's lauded in England and in France and in Spain and Germany and right, and he's looked up this way, isn't an inspiration the generations of black youth that you can do this too, And he did. He was very critical in fact, I think in his eulogy he started three or four lines WB to boys and compliment him and then says, here's how we set the mission back.

We're going to take a quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show. So you know, a question that I ask all of my guests is do you feel like you've made it? And so I want to ask you, Brian about that, But I also want to know do you think Booker and Roosevelt felt like they made it in their lives?

We're going to take a quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show. So you know, a question that I ask all of my guests is do you feel like you've made it? And so I want to ask you, Brian about that, But I also want to know do you think Booker and Roosevelt felt like they made it in their lives?

Yes?

Yes?

Yes, to which one, well, don't think you've made it and started there?

Yes, to which one, well, don't think you've made it and started there?

No? No, I feel very fortunate to be here.

No? No, I feel very fortunate to be here.

And I also think that in our business, you see so many talented people and it stops on a dime, whether it's something they did or something that changes about the business. And I don't think I give myself credit for is realizing. When I started filling in in nineteen ninety six, I had already been on the air in some way for thirteen years, and I realized how great this place was. Even though nobody was watching it. Couldn't get it in your cable system, there was no streaming. I just walked in and I said, man, this is this is unbelievable, and I give myself credit for realizing that and never thinking the grass was greener because I knew so many people, and I know so many talented people, and they always even the people here that left, I'm like, you are.

And I also think that in our business, you see so many talented people and it stops on a dime, whether it's something they did or something that changes about the business. And I don't think I give myself credit for is realizing. When I started filling in in nineteen ninety six, I had already been on the air in some way for thirteen years, and I realized how great this place was. Even though nobody was watching it. Couldn't get it in your cable system, there was no streaming. I just walked in and I said, man, this is this is unbelievable, and I give myself credit for realizing that and never thinking the grass was greener because I knew so many people, and I know so many talented people, and they always even the people here that left, I'm like, you are.

Crazy, and I was right. That's awesome.

Crazy, and I was right. That's awesome.

So I'll give myself credit for that. But not in our business, it changes so much. I mean, you probably thought you were going to be a writer, and if you just wanted to be a newspaper writer and not not adjust to the mediums when you'll probably be in trouble.

So I'll give myself credit for that. But not in our business, it changes so much. I mean, you probably thought you were going to be a writer, and if you just wanted to be a newspaper writer and not not adjust to the mediums when you'll probably be in trouble.

You have to do more than one.

You have to do more than one.

That's why I'm saying to myself, Okay, I want to do radio. I want to be able to write books.

That's why I'm saying to myself, Okay, I want to do radio. I want to be able to write books.

I want to be able to talk about them. I want to be able to go on stage.

I want to be able to talk about them. I want to be able to go on stage.

In the back of my mind, I got this sports foundation, so my goal.

In the back of my mind, I got this sports foundation, so my goal.

Was what was to do it?

Was what was to do it?

But I don't think I made it because I think I see how things change so much. We all know people that were at the top of the game a short time ago and they're now out.

But I don't think I made it because I think I see how things change so much. We all know people that were at the top of the game a short time ago and they're now out.

Their talent didn't change.

Their talent didn't change.

Things changed, and then so the minute I feel like I made it, I think that it's probably over the next day. For those guys, what's so interesting is I think they did realize, but they also were in the prime of their life and they already had seen their high by maybe fifty six. That's why Teddy Roosevelt goes to with the Amazon. He loses that election after they split the vote with the Bull Moose Party and him and taff split the Republican vote, and Woodrow Wilson becomes president.

Things changed, and then so the minute I feel like I made it, I think that it's probably over the next day. For those guys, what's so interesting is I think they did realize, but they also were in the prime of their life and they already had seen their high by maybe fifty six. That's why Teddy Roosevelt goes to with the Amazon. He loses that election after they split the vote with the Bull Moose Party and him and taff split the Republican vote, and Woodrow Wilson becomes president.

And he thinks, what am I going to do?

And he thinks, what am I going to do?

I gotta go, you know, I'm going to go down of the Amazon. He almost dies and it would eventually kill him. Compromise the system, which you never fully recovered from Booker T. Washington kind of hid his high and he was on the down side for a couple of years before he got sick and ended up getting His last wish was to die at Tuskegee, and he did.

I gotta go, you know, I'm going to go down of the Amazon. He almost dies and it would eventually kill him. Compromise the system, which you never fully recovered from Booker T. Washington kind of hid his high and he was on the down side for a couple of years before he got sick and ended up getting His last wish was to die at Tuskegee, and he did.

Teddy Roosevelt was one of the speakers at his funeral. So I think they did reach.

Teddy Roosevelt was one of the speakers at his funeral. So I think they did reach.

I think they realized they were impact, but they were never satisfied, right, So it sounds everything You got to be grateful, You got to be grateful, But I think if you're ever satisfied, you.

I think they realized they were impact, but they were never satisfied, right, So it sounds everything You got to be grateful, You got to be grateful, But I think if you're ever satisfied, you.

Know, such a range of answers to this.

Know, such a range of answers to this.

I just I love asking this question because I always get like, you know, just people who you think would say no, say yes. But people who you think would say yes, wo'd say no.

I just I love asking this question because I always get like, you know, just people who you think would say no, say yes. But people who you think would say yes, wo'd say no.

It's just it's.

It's just it's.

Really interesting to see where people think that they are in their lives. And it's interesting to imagine where Teddy Roosevelt and Booker T. Washington might have imagined if they know, if they felt that they had made it.

Really interesting to see where people think that they are in their lives. And it's interesting to imagine where Teddy Roosevelt and Booker T. Washington might have imagined if they know, if they felt that they had made it.

So I would think that the one thing about Teddy Roosevelt is underappreciate I told you about Booker T.

So I would think that the one thing about Teddy Roosevelt is underappreciate I told you about Booker T.

Is his family.

Is his family.

His family is all over his biographies, for autobiographies, his biographies, you research him, he would just when he was with his kids. Obviously there's no phones, so it's a big advantage. Well, he would be all in. There'll be one adventure after another. And his dad was the same way. When his dad as busy as he was successful, as he was no communication, no cars, he still was always there for him, especially when they were so worried about his respiration and we got to help this kid. So he always felt really close to his family. So it does go to show you you can have.

His family is all over his biographies, for autobiographies, his biographies, you research him, he would just when he was with his kids. Obviously there's no phones, so it's a big advantage. Well, he would be all in. There'll be one adventure after another. And his dad was the same way. When his dad as busy as he was successful, as he was no communication, no cars, he still was always there for him, especially when they were so worried about his respiration and we got to help this kid. So he always felt really close to his family. So it does go to show you you can have.

This historically successful career yeah, and still have the other if you choose with a little luck. Yeah.

This historically successful career yeah, and still have the other if you choose with a little luck. Yeah.

Absolutely, Brian, I've loved having you on. I can't wait to read Teddy and Booker t how two American icons blazed a path for racial equality. My last question that I also ask all of my guests is to end with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. And it could be obviously what you've learned from Teddy and Booker.

Absolutely, Brian, I've loved having you on. I can't wait to read Teddy and Booker t how two American icons blazed a path for racial equality. My last question that I also ask all of my guests is to end with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. And it could be obviously what you've learned from Teddy and Booker.

I'll do it, and it's not earth shattering or cutting edge, but I just think you got to take some time to figure out your personal goals and your professional goals, separate them and ask yourself why, and if your wise or strong enough o happen. You write them down two sides of the same page, keep it to yourself, in your pocket, or share with your family.

I'll do it, and it's not earth shattering or cutting edge, but I just think you got to take some time to figure out your personal goals and your professional goals, separate them and ask yourself why, and if your wise or strong enough o happen. You write them down two sides of the same page, keep it to yourself, in your pocket, or share with your family.

Whatever you're more comfortable with. Might be too personal and it'll happen.

Whatever you're more comfortable with. Might be too personal and it'll happen.

You take some time to look at that every day and it'll manifest itself in some way, shape or form. If your why is strong enough. If you just want to be famous to prove to your parents that I'm not the loser you thought I was, it's not going to work, or when you get there, you're never going to be satisfied if your why is strong enough. I want to be famous and successful in order it's this former foundation that maybe they help the most matter of people possible. I want to prove to somebody in my neighborhood that somebody like me could emerge.

You take some time to look at that every day and it'll manifest itself in some way, shape or form. If your why is strong enough. If you just want to be famous to prove to your parents that I'm not the loser you thought I was, it's not going to work, or when you get there, you're never going to be satisfied if your why is strong enough. I want to be famous and successful in order it's this former foundation that maybe they help the most matter of people possible. I want to prove to somebody in my neighborhood that somebody like me could emerge.

That's fine. I want to be the best basketball coach in high school history, that's great.

That's fine. I want to be the best basketball coach in high school history, that's great.

I want to affect five thousand kids, thirty kids at a time in football, that's great.

I want to affect five thousand kids, thirty kids at a time in football, that's great.

So whatever it is, the more detailed, the better chance it has of coming through.

So whatever it is, the more detailed, the better chance it has of coming through.

Thank you so much, Brian, thanks for coming on.

Thank you so much, Brian, thanks for coming on.

Thank you, Carolyn. Just if anyone wants to seen me on the road, I'm Aliva Florida. Brian kill me dot com. I got a whole list there.

Thank you, Carolyn. Just if anyone wants to seen me on the road, I'm Aliva Florida. Brian kill me dot com. I got a whole list there.

Yeah, I'm gonna definitely go. I'm going to surprise you at one of the events.

Yeah, I'm gonna definitely go. I'm going to surprise you at one of the events.

I'm going to give you twenty percent off the admission.

I'm going to give you twenty percent off the admission.

Oh nice, it's big you guys, go get it.

Oh nice, it's big you guys, go get it.

Carol, thank you, thanks.

Carol, thank you, thanks.

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