Best of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

Published May 24, 2025, 6:12 AM

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon open this 'Best of' edition of the show reacting live to Game 2 of the Knicks vs. Pacers Eastern Conference Finals matchup. Jason explains how he knows the series is pretty much over at this point, and explains his theory on why opposing players tend always seem to play their best at Madison Square Garden. Then, the guys question whether Tom Brady could come out of football retirement to quarterback Team USA in the 2028 Olympics now that flag football is officially in. NBA insider Mark Medina joins the show to help console Jason following his Knicks going down 2-0, react to the All-NBA rosters and more!

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He will love it to heartheart. We'll give it back to Brunts and Brunson from up top. Lets it go missed it and that's it. So Indiana takes a two zero lead in this best of seven for New Year. They took the same to zero lead against Cleveland in similar circumstances, winning the two games in Ohio to start the series.

Here they win the two games in New York. All right, So there it is. Pacers Radio Network. Yeah, look, this is what I know. You've listened the last couple of nights, bad place, mentally, not great all of this. But here's where I am right now. It's almost like and it's not a full relief because it's going to be over the course of the night tonight, right, but after the show is done tonight and then the weekend's gonna hit here, and by the next time we do the show, it's gonna be three zero Pacers. Is that by the end of tonight I will be my equilibrium will be back to zero because the last couple you know, it's been bad, right since this awful loss, worst loss in the franchise history of the Knicks in Game one, most devastating loss. I told you they were going to lose Game two. I knew they were going to lose Game two, and they did, right, So it's all it's over again. Seventy six and six teams that go up two zip, teams that go up to zip on the road? What what is it? Eighty one and one? Has anybody lost being up to zip and going on? I don't think that's happened. But although wait, wait, wait didn't they wait? Did the Mavericks do that to the Did Heat do that to the Mavericks in the NBA Finals? Was that two zip lead? I gonna look that up. But anyway, okay, so eighty one and one, what does it matter? But I know that when the end of the show comes tonight, I'm going to feel that that bit of okay. Mentally sports wise, the worst is over. The series is done. The Knicks have lost. They gave away Game one. It was embarrassing. They had nothing left there. Tips is getting completely out coached by Rick Carlisle. As we've seen, the Knicks have no answer for whatever the Pacers want to do offensively, and it's been different game plans Game one and Game two. The Pacers clearly know what they want to do and the Knicks are trying to react, and the Knicks offense always completely stalls and gets back to Hey, whatever Brunson can do, that's how we do it. Now. He's done it so often, So okay, I'll live and die with Brunson shots. I'm okay dying with that three at the end of the fourth quarter when they were down three and eight seconds left to go. Right, Brunson's the guy. But honestly, I know by the end of the shows, I mean, yeah, I'm good. I'm good, and you're gonna say, oh, no, you're not.

Not.

No, I'm good. I tell you when i'm when I'm when i'm low, I'll tell you when i'm fine, I'll tell you when i'm up. I'm going to be fine. Because this was going to be the result following Game one. There was no way the Knicks were gonna come back from that devastating a loss, that devastating a loss, and I and you know, to hear so many people say, oh, it's just one game, it's just like It's not just like they blew a five point lead in the last minute. This was they blew leaves that we have never seen before in the history of the NBA, or was it fourteen fourteen, or at least till they were keeping track right team teams up nine with fifty seconds left to go in the fourth quarter. Going back to the mid nineties when they started keeping track fourteen hundred and fourteen wins and no losses like this, sometimes there's a there's a mental there's a mental aspect of things you just can't come back from. And it's not that that the Knicks that that the Knicks team is going to come out slow. It's not that they're going to just to to to not have an effort. It's that when you blow a lead like that, eventually you start thinking, well, the worst is going to happen to us, because it did. Right, This is just what it is. Right when we had Rick Buker on the show last week and he said, and I said, listen, you know, for the Knicks, with with the Celtics and in the Celtics areas, I knew they were going to come out and not really have an effort in Game five and they're going to try to go home and win it in game six. And Rick said, you know you're right because you do see a lot of teams. I see a lot of teams that come out for a game and they know we're not going to get the calls they're not gonna go our way. And if it happens that way in the first quarter, they go see and they put it away and it's a blowout and they come back for the next game like that's what I That's what I knew was gonna be. Game two for the Knicks was going to be. Yeah, they're gonna play, but they're gonna know disasters around every corner. They're not going to attack this game from a standpoint of confidence, from a standpoint of a game plan where they know they want to execute, and the Pacers smell blood and they're all kinds of confident, they're all kinds are ready to execute that. When they started the way the game that way today, I said, boy, that's gonna be it. Man Sakham scores the first eleven points. Sometimes the beginning of the game is everything. Sometimes it's nothing. But I knew the Pacers are not coming in here as self satisfied, ready to just go home. Hey it's one one, We're fine. They said, no, we did it before to Cleveland, We're gonna do it here to you two. And that's exactly what happened. I knew this was coming because that mental hurdle of a loss like that is really difficult to get over, and it's gonna be in the back of their heads whenever they play the Pacers the next two games, next year, two years from now, when Halliburton's still on the team, is a long as those guys are still there and brunts are still there, it's gonna be there. Look what the Pacers can do to the Knicks. The mental advantage that the Pacers had coming in was going to be too great because they were gonna come at it from no matter what the deficit is, we can win, and let's get out big and make them quit. And the Knicks maybe not make them quit, but make them realize and lose whatever confidence they had.

It.

Yep, it's just gonna happen to us again. And you saw the way the Knicks ran around defensively and the Pacers able to move the ball and wind up with an open three, and they always hit the open three when they needed to. There's something to be said for execution as well, But to see the Pacers play this game that way and the Knicks really seem to lose composure and confidence as the game went on. That's why I said I told you this was coming, and when I know the result is he is coming, I'm going to accept it a lot easier. There's a little bit of that release that I know. Okay, Well, I don't have to be so wound up about the NBA Playoffs. They but I don't have to be so locked in on the Knicks every day because they lost the first two games at home. It's just going to be a matter of time till the season ends. Realist, I get it. I understand. So by the end of the show tonight, maybe by the third hour, I'll be laughing and making fun of the next but I know by the end of the show, Yeah, Okay, I moved on. Mentally, I'll be in a much better place, which I want to get in a better place, because I don't want to be in the mental place I said, no, terrible r. I was just sitting around counting the minutes until this game, not so I could watch it, just so it could be over and I can deal with the result. Because if they won, hey, it's still a series. It's great. I could be excited. If they lost. Okay, I knew it was going to be this way, but I knew how I could react, and I knew I'd be I'd be able to deal with things.

Well, you've got a pile of cheese that you can eat. I just need you better before you have a long drive for the weekend in sporting events where you're listening to disturbs version of sound of silence over and over again and tormenting your family. That would be bad. From land to basketball, I see that there are four hundred and sixty five instances of playoff status at any round where it got to two to oho and thirty four of those teams came back to win, including No. Last year's Pacer. Now, in terms of winning on the road, I don't.

Have that subject. Yeah, I don't think that's working on that data point. But it's gonna be less than thirty. Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna beyeah.

Because one of those thirty four was the Pacers over the Knicks. Yeah, just last year. Yeah, But all of that to say I you said quit, I'll just say that the Knicks perpetrated a fraud on me.

I thought they were I thought they were tough. No, I thought they were tougher than this one.

And I thought that they would be The fans and everybody would be said in the bodegas and sad having last call at three thirty in the morning after seeing a Broadway show or whatever yesterday and whatever the Catharsis was, but that the Knicks would be.

Able to come back, and they did battle back.

Right, it's a one point game with fourteen point one Brunson, it looks like he gets the turnover, but he's got all sorts of jersey and what you get the uport films.

That's an MSG whistle. I was kind of surprised that they put out there. But well, because as that ball saled bounds, he even looked back. It's like, yeah, yeah, the video review is gonna take quite two seconds. Like nope, no, but look, but there was a tear away. The dude would be shirtless. There's a there's a different I have no shirt. I don't know how you lost it. Sorry, Nick, basketball, it's stuck to his hand like he's Spider Man. No, there's a difference between quitting and there's a difference between playing on an edge where you're ready for things to go wrong, for things to not go your way again. Slowly, over the course of that game, the Knicks were never able to take control. Every time they busted out a three to four point lead, the Pacer they hit a big three, and that's gonna be my memory of the series is gonna be all the three is the Pacers whenever they wanted one.

Now, the Miles Churner one is the one that sticks through two games from me, because these other guys gonna have games Like Siakam, while he wasn't a dominant score, was still their leading score at twenty per game. And we've seen him in the past in the playoffs, he's had big moments, so him starting to get hot didn't surprive me. Miles Churner setting up in the corner and looking around like, well, you're not gonna come check me.

Yeah, I'll take a shot like that. Look and there and and look and everything is going the Pacers way. The Pacers are playing their best basketball right now right the Pace playing their best basketball right now. And I give them the nod right because they're they're playing incredibly well. The comeback coming out this game. Uh but look that I'm saying this all plays into why I said the other night, that's it, man, that's it. And people who tried to tell me and going to oh the Knicks have to I don't know what you're talking about. Man, this is not happening, This is not it's I don't think people really understood exactly what happened because they're in society now, we're in it. We're in an era where and it's and it's thanks to politics. This is this is not gonna be political conversation to workcase. It's a Friday night, right, wondn't be full of positives. Seven Even though the Nicks lost, is that there's certain things that happen and and you know, even ten years ago in politics, something big would happen. You go, wow, that's gonna be a story for two weeks, and it is, and it's something that's it's such a huge development, and you think this is gonna be a story for the rest of this month and beyond. But now at the point in politics where a big story gets out and yeah, it's a story four half a day and then we're onto something else. Right, it has no staying power. No one story has any more staying power than it's. Look at this shocker now, because we're reinventing politics every single day. So because of that, we you know, hey, Okay, we can move on. We move on from things in sports, It's not quite that way. And I know, and I know the way the way this game comes out. And then when you got into the following day after Game one, you saw so many pundits and experts and former players go, all the Knicks have to put this behind They get ready, they will, They'll have Brunson, they'll have towns of this. I'm not like, you guys are insane. You guys played the game. You know what happens to some, to some teams mentally, when you give up an all time worst loss for your franchise in an NBA history, When you lose a game that no one has ever seen, you lose it away two ways that no one has ever seen. Fourteen points with three minutes left to go, nine points with fifty one seconds left. There's not coming back from that, and and and and when I watched the breakdown of it, whether it was on TV list on the radio, I said to myself, they're not giving they're not giving nearly enough attention to the fact that this wasn't just Team A blew a lead late and they won. This is not hey, it was a seven point later this was this was an all time NBA choke. And when you think of the Halliburton shot and the miracle, something breaks in you, and something breaks in your confidence and how you approach games and how and how you deal with adversity, and and no one was giving that enough enough weight. And that's all I saw in this game is yeah, the next consider and say we're ready, we're ready to go, ready to come back, right, come back. But I saw in the middle of the game, when they're running around defensively, I said, they're lost. They're absolutely lost. The Pacers are still getting open shots and the Knicks are playing hard because it's not like the Pacers ran away. It's a nip tuck game. The Pacers take out a big lead, the Knicks buckle down and they make shots. But eventually the Pacers start making their shots too, and it's a little bit too much to ask, and the comeback doesn't get there. I said they'd lose between ten and twenty. They lost by five. It doesn't mean I saw the result coming. And this is why, again, I knew this was gonna go this way, and no one gave enough credit to just wow, when stuff is really bad, you have to sometimes you have to sit and go, all right, this is way worse than we thought it was, and we really have to understand, and you know it not to make it to go away from politics. Is this is more something that everybody can understand, is that anybody that has a kid and something happens in their lives right where they're you know, they're ten, they're twelve, they're fourteen, and it's like, oh, my best friend's not talking to me. Why because she thought I said something that I liked something on social media and I didn't. I didn't mean to hit the like button because it kind of made fun of what she said, so I unliked it, and then you know, she got mad at me. And you just want to say, your reaction is gonna be, well, okay, so you make up what's not that big a deal? So you hit a button the wrong button? Why is that a big deal? That's fine, don't worry about it. And that's your reaction because that's what you know as an adult. But for a kid, you have to understand, Hey, this is their whole world right now, their whole day is my day is ruined because my best friend is mad at me. Whether you think the reason is legitimate or not. It's their whole day and their best friend is mad and your kid is upset. So you have to come at that from the perspective. Okay, I have to understand how you know that this is a deal for you right now. This is something you are dealing with and instead of blowing it off saying everything's gonna be fine, you need help, you need advice, right, I need to understand that position. Nobody understood the position that the Knicks were in after the way they blew Game one. It was boy, what a horrible choke job. But we're on to Game two. Hey, what's up next? Here we go, we're talking about RG three and Ryan Clark and Caitlin Clark and Roy Clark and Dave Clark five, and Dave Clarker played basketball and Dave Clarker played baseball and all the that's TJ Dave Clark five. So no one really understood that this was the reality after Game one.

Now, I'll tell you this, with all of that you mentioned the other stuff going on in media, I'd rather talk about Roy Clark's far more entertaining to me than the other nonsense that's been swirling about in the verbal slap fights.

I made it.

Good for views, good for your Q raiding. Everybody knows who you are. You all look like a bunch of dopes. But it comes back to the professionalism of what I anticipated and look at. Shaking off tough losses is difficult, right, you've coached your daughter's softball soccer. I watch my daughter with soccer games. Most games, she's okay with it, not happy if they take an l But it's a fairly quick reset because there's other stuff to focus on.

And I get it.

You're in New York, so you've got the eight hundred pound gorilla on all the billboards. Hey, the Knicks choke this way if you're walking around. I mean, that's all that's there. But again, I'm expecting you, as a professional, to get back out there and do your job, right, say tie back to Belichick, do your job. I think I owe M seven dollars now, but either or I owne Robert Kraft seven dollars. Either way, the point being that you have to flush it right, that's just the way it works. But since you didn't and now you're down two oh, we get to put back on the table something we theorized, I don't know about a month before the playoffs.

Is the thin.

Haired, thin skin, red faced, surly hands, folded arms on the sideline? Is he getting ready to walk the plank?

I'd rather think about Giannis Yannis. Yannis will save us? Is he wearing a cape ex exit? Is this Roy Clark? Is this Roy Clark? Oh? This a little bit of Roy Clark. I gotta explain the Generation X with Roy clarkas I mean, not not non millennials or gen Z like jen X who Roy Clark is. Yeah, but that man could pick it. He used to have commercials I remember growing up where he would he would do his own guitar lessons where you would teach you a chord at a time and you would put like stickers on the guitar world your fan, he would say, And you get your sticker and you put it on the neck of the guitar, and you're able to learn cord by Clark, let's go. I'm already okay, I'm already doing better. Because the series is over. I mean eventually we'll get some Roy Clark bad jok in too. And the Mets are losing and the Hurricanes that are gonna go out to I hate they were terrible. Okay, they didn't bother to show up at all yesterday. Exit out about a Fresco exit swelling Dome. Jason Smith and Mike Harmon live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. Coming up next, we got a big story out of the NFL. We'll continue to bring you here from Tom tim coming up later on this hour. But we have a big story out of the NFL. Is the greatest quarterback of all time coming out of retirement. That's next. Jason to Mike and Roy Clark. Fox Sports Radio.

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See I can hit another three again. The Knicks fell down by ten and couldn come back. The series is over. We don't need to play the next two and the Pacers and the Thunder. We'll play it finals. No one will watch, not even stream, not even if it was on Apple TV. My favorite part is the podcast version of this is just You Singing at Acapella. Not truly well done.

Paul Simon's coming to town in a month I've already started to write the letter.

Can you dedicate this to my friend and colleague? Can you do instead of you can call me? How you can call me Tibbs? Can you do that one? Can you do that? Man walks down the street. He says, why am I? Why am I down?

Oh?

Two to the paces Now the rest of my life is so hard. I need a shot of redempse three point opportunity. Uh yeah, oh two pacers going home. I honestly, I'll tell you Nicks aren't gonna win a game. It's gonna be four games and that's it. They're gonna lose Game three by twenty in Game four by twenty. Wow, just like that. It's gonna be it. Man, I'm telling you. Have I been right so far about telling I've been right about the Nicks. I've been right. I'm telling you.

See, part of me is thinking you were playing the ropidope thing, because he and I were actually talking.

About this a little bit early.

He goes, you know, riding the lightning, you know what, would it was better for the show, And it's like, well, there's the if they win. Now the Knicks are back, so perhaps it's four hours. Yeah, Nicks and then and then as opposed to the I can't console you. I mean, you have cheese and it's not helping. Yeah, you got cheese. Now that you got the Mets losing, that doesn't help. But it's a Friday night. Yeah, it's a holiday weekend. We will be in the studio on Monday and chatting with you across the globe. But all of that to say, I didn't know which and sad Jason, retail therapy, Jason eating cheese and still not finding happiness.

It concerns me. Like I said, by the end of the show, I'll be fine. I'm hopeful mentally I will. Maybe Magic Johnson will give us a tweet or two. Maybe maybe because I look, because in the end I knew it was coming. I need the morning time and I'll be done morning by the time we get to the end of the shop.

Should I get to the guy at the local shop to rip a box of cards for us and we see what we get, And I mean that might be entertaining.

I don't know.

I'm trying to find some wins here for I'll tell you, I'll be fine. I'll be I'll be absolutely fine.

Mary's finding sad song after said yeah, it does.

Make you feel better, though you are like kicking ass with the freestyles off the dome.

Well go thank you, that's good. Say yeah, hey, you know, look, dome is my my thing. Rest ninety nine percent of the NBA population is happy that the Knicks are losing. The one percent is me and NBA television rights holders. Those are the ones who right now shallow may is living living it. Yeah, but you know shallow ma is twenty nine. Okay, share you suck it up. You have you got some years. Okay, you got some years. I get it. He's got skin in the games. I mean looking Larry, No, he is Larry, Larry did yeah, yeah he could have tripped Miles Charner. He didn't. He couldn't. I got tripped by Larry David only in the next game, but were sapping. I mean, what are you gonna do? We'll hear from TIBs coming up in a few minutes. I wonder if he has one word answers like he had after Game one against the Pacers. But potentially big news today, football wise, not NFL wise, but football wise, is it. There's been some charge, a lot a lot of people reporting that potentially Tom Brady could come out of retirement to quarterback the Laws, back to quarterback Team USA in flag football in twenty twenty eight, Brady would be fifty years old flag football twenty twenty eight. Now I'm in he can't. He doesn't have to take a hit. Nobody's gonna be at his feet. But that's true. No, listen, I look, what would I say I have too? I have two big takes this. My first one is why not it's gonna look like the Dream Team against Angola from nineteen ninety two when it's when it's Michael and Magic and Barkley and Bird and final scores are one oh eight to twenty four, and players are going to be saying, hey, I when I'm standing next to a guy in the free throw line, get a picture so I see what it's like. Backs to this guy. No one's gone. And I know that flag football is a little bit different, and it play five on five. Okay, we're gonna have the best football players in the world. I don't think anything's gonna be close. If something is close, I'd be just done to beyond belief.

But I mean, there are professional professional no, there are bag football players out I.

Gotta think we have the great I gotta think, you know, basketball, I think we have the greatest football players in the world in the United States. I'm just telling you. I just think the United States we're gonna We're gonna we got the greatest football players in the world. I don't think a team from Canada is gonna know. I don't think a team from Mexico or Amsterdam is gonna show up and say, we're really gonna give the United States all a can handle unless they change of rules and it's more like Australian rugby than it is flag football. Na, I think we're gonna be okay.

What are the rules if you start to run by me, like say a Tyreek Hill and I just grab your flag preemptively, is it dead there or does he still get to run down and catch the ball.

I think that's a preemptive flag. I don't know about that. I don't know.

I don't talk about different things in the rules. How much contact is enough the play is over for you? What do you mean, Hey, I barely touch that guy down, it's over for you.

Can't do it. You flatten that guy? He ran into me? Like, what do you want outside? You're out of the play, go to the sideline, you're out of the play. You're out of the play, and be like we're gonna win that bad? So okay, Brady, why not? Right? Why not? And if I'm an NFL team, I am more than happy having that because I don't want my quota over getting her. What did I tell you from the beginning? And oh, by the way, like we told you being ahead of the curve when this topic was talked about this week and today with break, Oh, I don't want my guys out there. Yeah, that's nice. We told you that like five days ago. I don't want anybody from my team out there. Not that I have to worry about Jets players being out there, but I don't fast as hell though. Okay, I know I still don't want him out there. I don't want him out there. Well in two years say it, he could be if he's not on my team in two years, Hey, go ahead, play, Hey, go ahead.

That ain't doesn't even have to dry Nobody's trade for you to get rid of him.

Guy, nobody from mex beat it. So I think everybody's gonna be okay with with Brady doing now. Oh yeah, I don't have to have my quarterback go and worry about some sort of strained strain, injury, strain or injoy. Okay, great, because you know that's what everybody we talked about.

The John Harbaugh quote from the other day, right, Actually, it wasn't even from the other day. That was from back in March when this was first starting to percolate. He goes, clearly, I've got a guy who would excel and dominate.

I don't want him to play. No, I don't want to play. I don't want him out there. You know how is all of a sudden this is accepted for football, but for World Baseball class, Oh, it's such a great thing. No, it's a great thing for the rest of the world, not great for us. I pull you to Edwin Diaz two years ago. Hey we're celebrating. Oh, I'm not for the end, right like I like for football. Everybody seems to be on the same point ful, grammatic. Yeah, we don't want our guys now. But but for baseball, Oh, I'm played. It's so great And no, it means nothing. The World Baseball Classic is a made up event. Everything is made up about it. It's not the Olympics. It's not even close. Yeah, but it's not. BIG's gonna come and kick kick Does it matter? Toma already yelled at me on the air over it one. Oh, I remember he got so mad, Jason, Jason, Jason. I'm telling you, Jason, he wanted to throw you out of the country. Yeah, he was really mad. Why do you not love your country? How do you not love the Red, white and Blue? I really wanted to say, Tommy, can we talk about the performance and the performance here? Performance? With performance? I mean, I mean he yelled at me when I know what he might he might have that would have been good radio.

We might have gotten more dumps than we did with the famous Eric Dickerson.

So Brady, go ahead, play. It's not gonna matter. We're gonna roll the gold medal. It doesn't matter. Now. The one thing I will say is this, because I did feel this the first way, is that you know, there's lots of people who play flag football, who do it, that have Olympic dreams, like, hey, this is what I have. And especially I think about the one guy who said he's the Mahomes of flag Yeah, and he can't even know it's terrible. I'm like dude, I can throw better than you, and I'm in my fifties and my arm hasn't been good in like twenty years, and I can throw better. I can throw farther than you. Come on, man, you just tell that football. How about that? We get Uncle Rico.

Out there from the football John and what grys or yeah, let's go.

But like, I do feel really bad for the guys that play flag football, that do it almost for a living, that should be able to play. Right, we're playing flag football. You know, you go to a big tryout and we're gonna pick Team USA, and they're gonna go play like you got this guy, gotta have it. I do feel for those guys because suddenly, hey, we have this big Olympic dream. We're all gonna go play. It's gonna be awesome. But the NFL says, oh no, sorry, guys, we're bringing We're bringing bringing the A team to this. Ah okay, great, But I.

Do feel for those guys. I feel for him for a minute. You can be on the practice squad, you can come and hang out, you can go uh shag malls.

I don't know. And here is Tom Brady being benched for Benny Simonson. Benny Simonson is a liquor salesman out of Warroad, Minnesota. Here he is, boy, I tell you. In the Beer League he plays in thirty eight touchdowns last year. Let's see if some of that last minute Benny magic is out there again. Brady really struggling, So here comes Benny Simonson. But it goes back to the old tenant of the show.

And I know your life in radio and TV before you and I got together here, and certainly for me, it's a running joke of all right, what's the monetization possibility of any of these kind of events? Right, if you're going to spend your time on it, what is it costing you in terms of times and dollar output?

Or what are you getting back? Right?

You got that's how you're making your decision in the world. For the NFL to say, yeah, go ahead and do this, they have already three steps ahead in terms of whatever. The Professional Flag Football League is coming to you as an offshoot of the NFL with the global reach starting in the Olympics.

Ergo, yeah, hey, we're all on board. No, I don't want my guy to play. He can have his guy Bay because we only need ten guys. That's the other part of it. We don't need to feel fifty two. No, no, no, you We need ten guys, ten and probably some kind of reserve. We here's our taxing squad. Yeah, but all of it to.

Say, hey, it comes down to, all right, who's QB thirty, thirty one and thirty two. You're still better than the guy that set's over there throwing a football over the mountain. You guys are quarterbacks. And now we build from there.

It's gonna be like when when mister Burns put Homer in for Daryls Trumper. But I have nine home runs. Ah well, they think of it as a very well played game, and sit down and enjoy your success. This is what manager's strategy coach. I got playing the percentityach. I got nine home runs today. Oh boy.

But but that's it right. I appreciate the dream. I'm all about dreaming.

Right. Part of it is, you know, if you can tream it, you could do it right. All of those self help things to the tune of billions of dollars, Maybe we were right one of those.

It started a video series of that you can treat it, you can do it, brought to you boy, Jason and Mike.

But I appreciate that. But there's a lot of money to be made here and global exposure. TV show wins time find out what's trending in the wide world of sports from man who's been called the Tom Brady of Fox Sports Radio. He's not happy about the roast of his life we had from a few months ago. It's Steve de Sega.

No, the only roast in my life is like Sunday's dinner coming up. That's about the extent, Steve.

If you'd gotten the twenty five million dollars that Brady said he got, would you have been okay with it?

No? Okay, No, that's a no.

Although you know people who already have twenty five million, that's kind of an odd question.

They trade it all for a little more, Okay.

Yeah, all right. By the way, the New York Knicks have lost the first two games at home in a playoff series for the first time ever, and no no team ever in a conference final has lost the first two at home and still wound up winning the series. Indiana wins at New York one fourteen one oh nine tonight, two games to none. Lead in the East Final. Pass cool Siakam with thirty nine points Tyrese Halliburton with eleven assists. This is the first time in Knick's history that they've lost five home games in a single postseason. The NBA record is six home loans losses in a single postseason Boston a couple of years ago, and Boston three years ago, and a couple of other teams.

Meanwhile, we've got I thought you said we were done updating this game. Okay, just give the one and that's it all coming through final score. That's it. Hey, okay, let's you said you said last that we're done updating the game. All you've done is update it in the last hour.

The updating mean the game. The forty eight minutes of the game was over.

Semantics. Yeah, okay, no more game. Wait, I'm going to roast you. Wait for the Steve to Sega roast you.

Wal score is still in lights on the board and not change.

It's one line, just like the next season. Yeah, okay.

Jalen Brunson did have thirty six points and eleven assists. The All NBA First Team, led by Shay giljis Alexander in the WNBA four games Tonight, Minnesota Edge Connecticut seventy six seventy among the late games expansion Golden State is still winning at LA with about seven minutes left vent one to fifty eight to the NHL Playoffs Game two of the West Final to Edmonton in a three zhe shutout victory at Dallas that series even at one. A reminder Fox TV will have the Indy five hundred this Sunday. The Dodgers are holding on in the bottom of the ninth. It's now five to four at the Mets, where there was an over hour and a half rain delay in the top of the third. So yes, at this late hour they're still going. The Dodger closer Tanner Scott earlier this week allowed a home run in the ninth, they kept him in and he allowed a home run in the tenth. Tonight he's thrown close to twenty five pitches in the bottom of the ninth and gotten one out and allowed two runs. So it's a five to four LA advantage and the tying run is at third. Well, no longer there's a base hitt the left, the game is tied. Scott has allowed three runs in the bottom of the ninth. It is even at five. I was almost gonna say at Shay Stadium.

As City Field.

It seems like it's been a while since anyway. The Angels are leading six to one over the Marlins. Angels have won seven in a row. Philly has won seven in a row and leads one nothing in Sacramento against the A's bottom of the seventh A's have lost nine straight. The Padres won on a solo homer top of the night by Manny Machado two to one at Atlanta that ended a six game losing streak for San Diego. The Braves did activate Ronald Acunya today and he homered in his first at bat. Had been out for a year with a torn acl homeward on the first pitch back to you.

Thank you, Steve. The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon, Coming up next, Tibbs is speaking. Oh are we gonna get more than one word answers from a guy that's been completely out coached by Rick Carlyle. No, that's next, Jason and Mike Fox.

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No, I think it's over nah met show, Thank you, Mary Neither. It's over Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Armie. Yeah, Pacers beat the Knicks like I told you was gonna happen. One fourteen, one oh nine. They lead the Eastern Conference Finals to games to none. Do the Knicks have any hope? Do the t Wolves have any hope? Joining us now in the hot line longtime NBA insider, longtime front of the show. You can find them on Twitter at Mark g Underscore Medina. It is the aforementioned Mark Medina.

Mark.

What's happening?

Man?

How are you?

Uh?

I don't say that the troll, but I'm probably doing better than you right now.

Oh no, no, you absolutely are one hundred percent. But by the end of the show. I will be fine because I knew this was coming.

So let's just establish. Am I here to console troll or both? What do we got?

Well? How about how about this? How about is t you up? And we'll go from there? How about that? You ready? Okay? It sounds good percentage chance this series is over because I have it about one hundred and seventy five percent chance the series is over.

Wow, I think it's seventy five percent chances. It's not quite like that.

No, I have one hundred. I said one hundred and seventy. This series is over. This series is over.

I think it's only seventy five percent chance. I think it's still that twenty five percent chance that they can come back. It's better than the slim odds that Mary Swanson gave you know, Harry or Lloyd about you know, one to million about them and Dummer.

Right, So I'm saying there's a chance.

Oh yeah, sure, there's a much better chance twenty five percent odds. Uh. The reason I say that is very few teams come back from O two. It's happened before, but very few. The Pacers just have much more depth. They've been more consistent than Knicks. Look tired. I don't know what I'm getting from coloradton announcement night to night basis and Jalen Brunson is playing out of his absolute mind and is putting himself in that conversation of Nick goats and it's still not enough. So, uh yeah, they'll fight, all compete because that's what they do. So because of that, it's technically not over. But you know, this is a tough Hall.

You because the NBA has TV partners and they have two games and the advertising is sold. The series isn't over, but we're gonna play two more.

Games, and you know what, there there might be a frozen envelope express mail coming.

It was a full week of conspiracy theories, no doubt, so why not fuel a few more. But final minutes of this game mark is we're watching it unfold. Pascal Siakam Early and then Halliburton and seemingly everybody else. The Miles Turner one is the backbreaker for me standing in the corner by himself.

Yeah, and look, Pascal, he's an all star caliber player, so not like he's a scrub. He didn't come out of nowhere. They made a huge deal to get him. His chemistry with Tyres Halburton's great, but he's not a superstar player. Thereby, to put up thirty nine points, that's indefensible. No one was over and him. I think the other thing that's very troubling is Tyres Haliburn didn't shoot the ball well, he only went five to sixteen. Now, you know, his value obviously is always in passing first. I mean, he did have eleven assists, but if he's not a scoring threat. Usually that leaves the pacer vulnerable. But you know, to their credit, they roll like eleven deep. They do have eleven They do have a lot of depth. But how the stake isn't having his best game. The Knicks got to take advantage of that. And again you look at the effective channel Brunt said, thirty six points. Even all their starters played relatively well except for Carl and the talents that minus you know, minus twenty and plus minus. But everyone else showed up to play and still not enough. I mean, it's it's inexcusable across the board.

Well, because I'll say this is like watching the first two games, right, Like, yeah, I was saying, what do I know about basketball? But when I see the Pacers attack the Knicks one way in game one and attack them a different way in game two, win both games. You have three different players now with over thirty points in the first two games for the Pacers, which doesn't happen. The Knicks look like they're reacting, and I see them reacting slow defensively, they don't know where to be on their rotations. Tibbs is getting rings coached around them by by Rick Carlyle in this series.

Yeah, I think Tom Thibodo is going to team up with JJ Ruddick pretty soon and call you out with that.

He was terrible. He's gonna be out of a job.

So unless he's doing as a commentator, we'll love Danny Hurley next year.

It'll be fine.

Okay. So here's my defensive tips. I'm not gonna say you put on a coach in quantify aning means Rick Carlisle has been the better coach in the series, but I would say it's also because the Pacers have had the better roster. Now, in the regular season, the next starting five is better than the Pacers starting five, but that hasn't been the case in this series. And when you add in the fact that they have more depths, it's kind of like, what do you expect? I mean, And again, here's why I don't put Tom Tabodak fault. Who is who else is he supposed to play? Like any calls for Oh well, if only he played Cameron pay in a few more minutes or PJ Tucker, how about given him some time. I don't think that does anything, So I guess it's point of vetteran for worse like the Rosy have to bring it and if not, they're going to get blown out.

No, I don't think market's about who to play. But clearly, hey, the Pacers did you know succeeded in game one and the Knicks clearly expected something they weren't getting because from the beginning you could tell the plan was is going to take over this game? Right, you don't just accidentally score the first eleven points of the game like they knew, we're going to take advantage of this situation. And Siakam has a game of his life and the Knicks didn't know how to respond. So whatever it's like, whatever Rick Carlisle has had, you know, has had as his play, the Knicks can adjust to. And that's what I mean by by Tibbs is getting like he's he wasn't ready and they couldn't adjust toe Siakam having the hot head and still he's opened for big threes, he's still able one on one. He looked like Prian Kevin durant to night, like he was Durantula in his prime.

That's what tonight, Mark, You know what that that is a fair point. You know, rotations, I don't fault tips, but here's where the next art fault both coaches and players. They got to play at their own pace. If you're going to get in a track me with the Pacers, it's going to be you Saint Bolt versus Jason Smith in a fut race that it's so lopsized out of him funny. So you know, again, the Pacers are doing this because they have the speed, they have the depth. The Knicks they have to muck it up. They gotta be nineties mixed. They have to be physical, and I haven't seen enough of that discipline on closeouts as well as just being organized. You know, you don't have to be, you know, the fastest or most rugged team in the world, but if you communicate you're on the same page, you can often minimize those stakes. And again it's just fundling that it was still overwhelming despite the fact that the Knicks you know, won the rebound in battle Tyres Halburn, did not shoot the ball well. Their star player, Joe Brunst, has played out out of his mind. You add all those things up in a normal circumstance, that should mean a win for the next but because of the pacing issues, it became a much different outcome.

And Jason's already to ship Cat out of town for anybody with a near a max deal.

This is why I'm not a good GM, because I'm I'm ready to make a movie Bridges before the playoffs started. Yeah, he's taking them all out.

Mark. Hey, you know what, Uh, we're talking about the Wolves and their struggles. I mean maybe they swapped Julius Randall given.

Hey, can we get games we'll get Yeah, we'll get Devincenzo back. Now, I'll be fine that I'd like that trade that trade back, trade back baseball cards where someone's parent went and figured out what the true value was. Mark, if you're going to give that card back, Mark, if we make that trade, it's going to be Karl Anthony Townsend Og Hannoby for Giannis. That's what's going to happen. Okay, just.

Hey, you know what, I think that the Bucks should be trading me on us up to Cumbo that had three first round exits. Damian Lillard is probably not going to be back, and if he is, he's not the same player. They're going to be in the Hampshire Wheel. If they just say, oh, we got to keep our star player just because you know what, this might be a blessed the Sky's Jason that just think of how bad and upset and angry you are right now. This just greases the wheel for that huge deal. And then next year is when that championship parade finally happens. I know you've heard it before, now you hear it again. Just wait till next year.

If the trade that he proposes goes down, Mark I will literally walk into the commissioner's office and say, show me, you know frozen envelops. Prove to me none of these conspiracies are real. If oh Gianna, no, but yeah, because that's bringing the Bucks closer to anything.

Come on, yeah, I think they trade whole starting lineup to get you.

Honest, that sounds about right now. We'll we'll keep brought Brunson and Jonnis. We'll play two on five. Will be good.

Okay, So you gave the next twenty possibility of coming back from two to zhou t Wolves.

What half that? A third that and ate that? What are we talking?

Yeah?

I think this is a Mary Swanson os to Lloyd. Here's the thing, the Thunder, they're a much different piece when you have the MVP with Sajjus Alexander, the best defensive team in the league, so many wing defenders, great front court players, great chemistry, and they're young. You know what that means. They're night and day above and beyond the challenges of the Wolves face and the playoffs with a Golden State Warriors team that had Steph Curry on the bench because of a hamstring injury, and a Lakers team that didn't have any real centers and no real defenders. So I'd say that with full reconition that the Wolves are legitimate team. They've raised their game to another level up until this series. Julius Randall is not the Julius Randall the New York Next of being either ineffective or not healthy in the playoffs, and he Edwards has grown once again as a young star in every category, scoring, shooting, passing, leadership. And they do have bench deff that's just not the same kind of depth that the Thunder have. And so they're putting up a good fight. They don't lack for confidence. It's just that, you know, the Thunder just above and beyond ahead of the rest of the Western Conference. So I think if it goes more than a sweep, now it's just a gentleman's sweep because of Thunder leather guard downing game career Game four. But I can't see how this is going to be competitive the rest of the war.

I'll go go you won further markt we talked about this last night. If I put the over under for Oklahoma City Thunder losses the rest of this playoffs at two and a half, I'm taking the under because I don't think anybody out of the East can give him a series in the finals. They're just that much better in their proving. I think we're gonna look back at the end of the playoffs and go, man, how did the Nuggets take them to seven?

Like?

I mean, they're really just playing that much better.

Yeah, well, look, I think the Pacers have shown through each round that they're a real deal. They're respectful. I mean, they beat Cleveland even though they weren't fully healthy. That team was still the best team in the East. You know, they're running laps around the Knicks and they're not gonna beat the Thunder in a presumed NBA Finals, but I could see them win a game or two. Tyres Halburn not only is the best passer in the NBA, but you know when he's aggressive He can be a really lethal scorer, as we saw in Game one that crazy shot where's on the line, hit the back of the rim and dropped in. He can have those kind of moments. But the thunder Shay is just a scoring machine. He does it naturally with amazing playmaking, but he also does it to the annoyance of opponents with finding the angles, flailing, exaggerating and getting some SAG awards. But he's also has a lot of good options around him, like Jalel Williams has become a much more consistent score He's prepared for that moving on and off the ball, his pick and roll coverage chemistry with Ched Holmgren and Isaiah Hartenstein, it's just like clockwork. And then defensively, that's what really drives the offense. They have so many wing defenders in Case and Wallace, Aux Cursus, Jallel, Williams, Loue Door. They create so many easy baskets because they're getting steals, deflections, chasing loose balls. They really don't have any weakness other than they might not bring their a game every single night.

So finally it's it's the end of award season.

We saw the All NBA teams announced today SGA with the MVP Award Eddie Shock In any of the first or second team seeing Lebron as the second team or any of that stand out to you.

No, not really. I think what you saw was what you expected, right, I mean Lebron's second team, he would bat and I if it was in his prime. But he's forty years old, so I think if anything, that's like wow, like still play at All Star caliber level, it's still pretty impressive.

So waity, don'd you write a whole column about how Bronni was completely snubbed off the All Rookie team? I think I thought you wrote that article.

Yeah, you're right, You're right. I'm exposed here, I'm exposed. Yeah, Ronnie, Ronnie, Bronnie should get a Max steal this upcoming summer instead of trying to give Luca donca to an extension, because it's about the Lebron and Bronny show. It's not about Luca.

Okay, Hi, good, just wanted to make sure. Just want to make sure you can follow on Twitter at Mark G Underscore Medina. That's at Mark G Underscore Medina Mark as always, Buddy, appreciate it, great stuff. We'll talk to you next week when we uh for real we preview the Pacers and the thunder.

Yeah, and I'm sure we'll start worker shopping some more next trade ideas.

Yeah, very good. Well, no, we don't need any more. No, it's honest, like, yeah, yeah, it's honest. That that's that's that's what's happening. There's no other trade offer going on. It's honest.

He's holding up his one finger like he's doctor Strange one telling all the possibility.

This is, this is this is only a nick fan thing where they could be in the middle of the Eastern Conference finals and no, I want to talk about next year. See you buddy, have fun market, all right, take it is. I I really do feel like I am gonna be okay, and maybe about an hour and a half from now, I am, I am, I am. You got a bowl of ice cream cream, bowl of ice cream sandwich. No, we had a lot of cheese tonight that they had cheese cheese. Jeez, jeez, jeez. It's good coming up next Hey, it's not just be honest, we're talking about potentially moving on after this year. What about Lebron James, Lebron James, that's next Jason to Mike Fox Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. Yes, sir, really, not my night. In sports Dodgers have two in the top of the thirteenth. They lead the Mets seven five the Mets. I'm not lying, I'm I'm not saying anything that I'm being The Mets have left eight runners on base in the last three innings. Yeah, no runs. And this is why we can't have nice. This is like when I say you deserve to lose, you deserve to lose. Not my night. This is not my night, my garment not mine. You know what, You'll get up and get after it again. Tomorrow.

You'll stop and maybe you'll get a donut. Not my night, nice big coffee, not my night. You'll sing some show tunes in life will be better. So we talked about potentially Jannis being on his way to the Knicks. You know, certainly Karl Anthony Town's getting bench in the fourth quarter tonight. It's not quite been the season that the Knicks have expected from Karl Anthony towns.

Odega got shut down. I think it started out how they thought it was going to, but it just didn't. I don't think that they said. I think they expected this offense and and Karl Anthony Towns to be a little bit different spot right now than it is. And getting bench with the fourth quarter. Wow, man, I go with Mitchell Robinson all the way.

You basically saying we don't need offense now, we need someone who's gonna get at least give us some modicum of extra effort.

I mean it is you know that that.

Really that's really something. It's really something when you're number two guy, he's bench with the entire fourth quarter. So yeah, Uh, could I see a Karl Anthony Towns Anernobe type deal for you?

Yeah?

Absolutely, I can see that for you, honest.

But the other one on the tay say that forty five times, it just magically by say it one more time, will it happen?

Uh?

The other thing is, and we told you this a couple of weeks ago. Get ready for this to be the last year in LA for Lebron. A couple of reports in The Athletic also sam Ammick that Lebron's relationship with the Lakers is quote a frosty one. This is something that came out earlier. Today's relationship with the Lakers is frosty, and you know, potentially there's always a chance he can walk. Now, I don't think that's gonna happen. He's not going to turn his back on fifty million dollars. He's not going to get that from somebody else. But short of a Western Conference Finals run next year, this is it. We told you this year is it for Lebron in LA. They have already hit frosty, They've already put him at arm's length. He has already been someone that look, you don't run the team anymore. They trade ad. You and Rich Paul don't have the poll that you once did, so Lebron is kind of on the outsider.

Now.

The Lakers aren't going to simply just say okay, we're gonna do it now at the bed. No, they want to give Lebron and Luca more than two months to get something go because maybe it works out. But clearly I see this short of a Western Conference Finals appearance next year, and that might not even be enough. Lebron is finishing his career the last couple of years someplace else, probably Cleveland, And he is finishing his career someplace else. It's not LA.

One year fifty two million dollars, no trade clause, one of the rare contracts in the NBA. He's taken swipes at the front office. Go back to a d right ah, and you know the last guy that talked about big Man, he got traded.

So no, I'm not gonna do that.

Should you know what advice you're gonna give Luca about, you know, helping to build and whatever. I don't have any advice for him, right, That's not my thing to talk about that. So he's distanced himself in every respect, and certainly Luca coming to town realizing you have to pass the torch not doing it quite so gracefully. He's gonna keep taking little baby steps to make Luca chase him to take it. But certainly the frosty relationship to that does not surprise me. Something we talked about weeks ago. As you start reading the tea leaves of how they're constructing twenty twenty five, twenty six.

One and done for lebron in La and then Hello Cleveland, I'm back to finishing off Me and Bronny and Bryce. We're all here. Coming up next more on the biggest story of the night. Fox

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