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If nobody stopped Cob, nobody stopped Michael, nobody stopped Christian later in college. So when the scores are fifty five fifty eight, it's not because of the great college defense. It's because they don't have any closers. So this tournament's been a lot of sixty four sixty one. There's just no offensive stars. There's no top draft picks. Now next year Yukon big recruiting class, Duke big recruiting class, Michigan State, Kentucky. So four big powers are landing superstar classes. So you'll see the power go back to the big names. But it's kind of a you know, it's cyclical. It's kind of a year in which good teams that are well coached can win close games. I do like to back offense often, Colin, but I say this the one instance we found offense not being superior to defense. The Dallas Mavericks. They were a top ten defensive team last year with Dorian Finney Smith their best wing defender. Yeah, they trade them away. They're now like twenty third in the NBA and defense it cannot stop anybody, and they're not outscoring everybody. The Dallas Mavericks have gone conference finals to out of the playoffs because they don't defend. They don't defend anybody. Yep, all right, it's Colin right, Colin wrong. On a Monday here we go. Where Colin was right. Well, we said last week, even though I love my Zags, I thought Yukon was the best team in the country. They had a dominant big, they're very very well coached, they're deep, they're winning by twenty two a game, and I think that my guess is they're going to roll to the title role being you know, eight ten twelve point wins. They had the biggest blowout in Elite eight in since nineteen I don't even know when they blew out the Zags and Gonzagas doesn't get blown out. They lose, they don't get blown out. So I mean, I think you're looking at a storied program that is now back to being potentially a storied program. Where Colin was wrong, Well, I had the Zags in the title game before the tournament against Duke. So let's just give me a big and wrong. Oh for the entire tournament, Drew Timmy got in foul trouble. The problem though, is they are so reliant this year on Drew Timmy that when he got into foul trouble scores twelve against Utah con they get blown out and has the window closed? No, it's it's a remarkable program, but you know, they may have to. I don't know if they have a Drew Timmy on the way in, they became very Drew Timmy centric. Foul trouble meant they were in big, big l category. Where Colin was right. I said, Kyrie of the MAVs would be fun and dynamic and interesting, but they would suddenly get awful on defense. They are now since arriving, they went from twenty first in defense to eighth. They're eight and thirteen. Lucas now miserable. We just tend to forget this because the Warriors dynasty has also been marked with great defense from Clay Thompson in his prime and Peyton and Draymond and Wiggins. And you gotta defend if you want to win in this league. You can't win one twenty eight, one twenty six. And I said they're going to be terrible defensively. The people that argued they were a title team the opposite. True, they'll be more fun to watch with Kyrie, but they can't stop anybody. Where Colin was wrong, Kevin dem Off, the COO of the Rams, said, listen, they sent a letter to season ticket holders. It was never the plan to give up draft picks forever. I'm wrong on this. They went from super Bowl champs to total rebuild much sooner than I thought. The old line is just not that talented, and when Andrew Whitworth left, it fell apart. Their offensive line, their secondary, their linebackers are just not good enough. They're selling off parts now, defensive parts, primarily to get picks. I'm wrong, I all, and they did get a super Bowl out of it, so I'm for that, and the Niners would take that in a second. But it fell apart much much faster than I thought. Where Colin was right, well, I said on the Ravens a couple of months ago that I thought Lamar Jackson was veering into noisy and odd territory and the Ravens weren't going to play that game. I still I think they want to sign him, they just want it closer to their terms. But this morning he requested a trade. John Harbaugh sort of smirked at it, but he used his mom as an agent. Now he's got a representative who the league is sending memos to teams not to contact or take his calls. I like Lamar a lot, but he's kind of veered into a Kawhi Leonard category and this is just more of it. This morning requesting a trade where Colin was wrong. Well, when John Morant had his personal issues, I thought it would sabotage and derail the Grizzlies. Well they're nine to three since Jaw's personal situation, they've won nine of ten. He came off the bench and did well. He started last night and scored twenty seven. So it's a very well coached, deep team. Jaws rebounded from it. Like we said from the very beginning, kids make mistakes. It's a lot of money, a lot of fame thrust upon him, a remarkable, dynamic player. But I thought they'd be derailed much more and they're not at all. Their back and rolling a two seat in the west. Where Colin was right. Alan Lazard talking about Aaron Rodgers this weekend, that's if Aaron Rodgers arrives, do I get another right on Aaron Rodgers. This thing is turning out to be exactly what we said over the last year to two on Aaron. If you do business with Aaron, it's gonna be high maintenance because Aaron is needy. He's got to be the smartest guy in the room. He doesn't want anybody to think they have control. And if you're an employee, even a highly compensated one, you're going to be controlled by somebody. Even billionaires have bosses. It may be the market, but they've got bosses. So this Jets two teams now hanging in Limbo, is very much on brand where Colin was right. Well, I've been saying this now for a year. The Bill's got to fix their offense. Josh Allen takes too many hits, and his coach Sean McDermott said yesterday at the start of the NFL owner meetings it absolutely concerns him that Allan gets hit on sixty six percent of the runs and the organization and team needs to do a better job. Part of it is McDermott has been incapable of developing a consistent run game. But they are acknowledging well, we have been acknowledging now for two years. We saw it with Cam, we saw it with Big Ben. I don't care if you're six six and two fifty, your career will be significantly shortened if you play the way Josh Allen plays. Get him an on line and protected well. The NFL owner meetings are in Arizona. Albert Breer is now joining us live Monday Morning Quarterback. Okay, so we just saw Harbaugh sort of smirk and sort of laugh at the Lamar Jackson trade request. What's the buzz there now in Phoenix regarding that? Albert Well, I mean, this felt like a nuke, you know what I mean? Column Like if you look at like the way this happened. He Harbos sat down at seven forty five at a table, and Lamar had send on that tweet at seven forty eight, And I think that this is sort of where the situation is that trade requestment number three weeks ago. There's obviously the person that's representing Lamar out there to teams, and it feels a little bit like Lamar's camp has gotten a little bit desperate. Now. In the end, I think that both sides are so invested in each other that there eventually will be some sort of resolution here. But it's very very clear that Lamar Jackson's looking at the idea of leaving leaving the Ravens in a very very serious way. And you know, I think to some degree the communication with the Ravens has been cut off to sort of plant that point. This further proves that point, and I mean, we'll see where things go from here. Obviously there's nothing happening inside the building with players yet, but I mean we're just a few weeks away from seasons and programs beginning OTAs a few weeks after that, so you know, obviously the Ravens are gonna have to, you know, try to find some sort of middle ground with Lamar Jackson between now and then. And uh, you know, certainly, I think what happened this morning was a sign of where things are. Um, let me ask you. I I the Ravens have two Super Bowls and we're fifteen and eight in the postseason in the Brady and Peyton Manning era. So they've won before Lamar, and they'd get two first round picks if they moved him. They'd win after Lamar. They they've proven that. I also think Lamar has a point that Deshaun Watson contract. He's like, guys, you're not gonna offer me a one hundred million less What if Jamax said this earlier? They said, Okay, we'll give you a fully, We'll give you a franchise tag for a year, fully guaranteed forty five million. Would that statiate him? Or is that not enough? Either? Is this just long? Does the contract have to be fully guaranteed and long? I I think that the question is how long you know? At this point? Like to me, like the solution has always been maybe a Kirk Cousins type of deal with more money involved, but maybe a three year, fully guaranteed deal. I think that that's where the middle ground is. I think a big part of this column for Lamar is principal. And look, I know that sounds silly because of how much money he's turned down, but if this was really about the money, I think he would have just taken the money. I think the way that Lamar looks at this is all right. So for five years, I took on a precedent amount of damage for a quarterback. I played out my rookie contract, I played out my fifth year option. And now you're the one that wants injury protection three years from now. I'm not giving you that. And so, like I think the middle ground here instead of doing a traditional top of the market quarterback contract, which is what the Ravens have offered, and doing it Deshaun Watson type of contract, which is what Lamar Jackson wants do. The Kirk Cousins deal where you say, let's do three years fully guarantee will give you a no tag provision. So if you want to be a free agent in twenty twenty six, you've got a freeway to get there, and let's go forward for the next few years and see how we can make this work. To me, like that would be the middle ground. But it feels at least like things have gone off the rails to a degree where there's going to need to be some relationship mending before they can come to any sort of compromise. Okay, So there's a lot of different reports on the Carolina Panthers, the number one pick. Again, you're in Phoenix, you're at the owners meetings, you hear this stuff. These are great conferences to go to to just hear the rumors. Yeah, I still think Bryce Young's the best, but I don't know if he fits their plans. What are you hearing? Yeah, I think Bryce Young has been the leader in the clubhouse throughout for them, you know, and I think going back to you know, when they were talking about moving up to the number one overall, Bryce Young was sort of the baseline. So you know what I mean by that is when you trade for him, you got When you get trade for that pick, you gotta be comfortable like somebody here is worth the first overall pick, and that's somebody I think for the Panthers was Bryce Young. And now they do work on all four of the quarterback Levis and Richardson and of course CJ. Stroud, and see if any of those guys pass Bryce Young for them. But as of right now, I think that that bassline for them and who they pick first overall would be Bryce Young. Now, I think the guy who's closest for them would probably be CJ. Stroud. I think they're like both those guys, and they view both those guys as worthy of the first overall pick, and I think they'll be sort of parsing things between the two of them, and then they'll do all the work on Levis and Richardson well to see if either of those guys, who actually are probably more physically gifted like just as far as the way they look like the figure they cut as quarterbacks, see if those guys have a chance to catch either the either the other two between now and the draft. But as of right now, I think it's it's it's Bryce Young in a bassline with CJ. Stroud running a close second. Listen, green Bay's got their quarterback. They want, they want Jordan Love to take all the snaps and OTAs. They're in no hurry at all. I presume they're saying, give us a first round pick or we're not picking up the phone. That's what I presume. The Jets are in a situation where they got a new receiver, they got a young receiver into a new team. I feel like the leverage is all Green Bay. Am I wrong? No? Because I think that like the leverage is always in the hands of the person who hasn't doesn't have to do him anything. And until September first, the Packers literally don't have to do anything. They have their quarterback, they have their team. Rogers cap had actually goes up after they trade him, so they're not saving any cap space by trading him. They would actually lose cap space if they trade him. So really, you know, between now in September first, they don't have to do anything. That fifty eight point three million dollars is fully guaranteed. But the genius is the way the contract was written was they can pick that up whenever they want and start the payment on it whenever they want, and so that gives them flexibility. The Jets have to bring in Aaron Rodgers. Derek Carr's off the market, Jimmy Garoppolo's off the market. We see what's happened with a little mar Jackson situation. I mean to me, for Joe Douglas and Robert Salad, this has sort of become a zero sum game. You either get him or you don't. I think ultimately cooler heads will prevail, But I do think that there's more pressure on the Jets to get something done here than there is in the Packers, at least until we get to the end of August. Very exciting. So again, Lamar Jackson, let me throw this at you. If you're the Colts and you know you're not going to get the first two quarterbacks, they may not light anybody after the two. That's whether or not moving up to three. They're like, we're not in love with these guys. I would think the Colts would have a meeting over Lamar right like this, the third Lamar Win seventy five percent of his games or a kid from Kentucky who may be a miss. Well, if we're talking about it generically, Colin like teams that are picking in the top ten, if you don't want to give up a top ten pick to get Lamar, you can wait until after the draft, and then as part of signing an offer sheet, you'd be talking about picks in twenty four to twenty five. So, say you're the Colts and you're not wild about the quarterbacks that are going to be available to you at four, you can sit there the next three weeks, look at Will Anderson, look at Jalen Carter, take one of the two, and then get passed the draft and sign Lamar Jackson to an offer sheet. And now you're giving up your first round pick in twenty four and twenty five instead of the fourth overall pick this year. Yeah, and if you think it would be pretty good with Lamar's your quarterback, now you're talking about maybe the twenty fifth pick next year instead of the fourth pick this year. So I do think that that's one piece of all of this the people aren't paying attention to when it comes to where other teams stand with Lamar Jackson. If you're a team tips picking in the top ten that needs a quarterback that isn't wild about this year's quarterbacks. I mean, it would definitely behoove you potentially to wait until after the draft and then make your move on Lamar Jackson. So I don't have the sense that any team is doing that quite yet, but could it happen. I mean, logically it would make sense if it did. Yeah, that's really interesting. You could get the pass rusher and then get Lamar, and you give up the preton the net because they also need a pass rusher, they need a quarterback, they need a pass rusher. They could probably use another receiver, they could use picks. That's that's a good call. Albert Breyer at the owner meetings, Well, scarf of up all the free food they offer if they do, you know, take advantagement those you know conventions. I'm not staying here. I'm staying down the street, all right, Albert, Good seeing you? All right? Thanks. M Yeah, that's that's not a bad idea. I get my edge rusher and I get Lamar massive upgrade at two key positions for the Colts, and then I give up the next two. It's not a bad idea. But if you're the Ravens. Don't you just say no, not happening. We'll match it. Sorry, he's staying here, well matching it. It doesn't sound like matching. It's gonna be good enough. This is personal. Now. He dropped the tweet as John Harbaugh spoke the NS. So the Ravens are smiling about this. Let's go play the John Harbaugh bite again. The Ravens are smiling about this stuff. Lamar's out there dropping like cryptic tweets and making request demand totally different. Look at the Ravens reaction to this publicly, this doesn't look like crisis here. I'm pretty fired up about Lamar Jackson. I mean, Lamar Jackson is a great player. Lamar came back in great shape last year. He's fired up to play. That's the Lamar that I'm looking for, looking forward to seeing. Can't wait to get back on the grass and go to work. And I'm confident that's gonna happen. So you're following him on Twitter and I haven't seen the tweet. That's an ongoing process. I'm following it very closely, just like everybody else is here and looking forward to a resolution. I'm excited thinking about Lamar all the time thinking about him as our quarterback. So their takeaway is we made an offer. We didn't low ball him. We made him an offer. We think we're gonna get it back. But the question becomes if Lamar is just like you know, listen, if somebody forgive and forget, he's not gonna forget this. He could be. He appears to be somebody that gets very sensitive. He's a little unorthodox and negotiating. That's what I'm seeing so far. And people don't generally change like Aaron's dramatic. Kevin Durant responding to Charles Barkley again, there's Weekend Kyler, Murray, Kawhi Leonard. It's okay, everybody's different, but this, this appears to be his personality. He gets he gets defensive, he's been doubted, he's got a chip on his shoulder. He can be a little sensitive. That's okay, But I don't the idea that we'll match the offer come on in. I don't think that's good enough. Have you heard the phrase smiling on the outside, crying on the inside. Yeah, I wonder if some of that is happening with Hardball. He can't make a scene with fifty reporters there right at the owner's meetings. He's probably, Hey, yeah, we're excited to get Lamar Jackson. Meanwhile, inside he's seething that Lamar just stole his moment, put him on the spot in front of all these reporters. I would I would venture Hart was very ticked off at the situation right now. He knows they have no backup plan. Dude, the backup was not getting them seven or eight wins next year. Well, if you trade him, you have a backup plan. You get the Colts pick, you get the beer strategy where they don't give the Colts pick number four, and then you got a hope when you go draft to quarterback Max dug It in the second round, Ravens have one with I mean they all us Girdball one something, dil per super Bowl, Flacco, Lamar. They went a lot, They went a lot or they've gotten very fortunate with some of these quarterbacks, like Trent. I know he's your boy and everything, but like, well, being fortunate. You don't get to a Super Bowl because of they got there. They got there with one of the best defenses since like the eighty five Bears. Yea, they always have a good defense, and they always have a good coach, and they always have a good culture, and they always draft and developed. Well, well, nothing lasts forever, Cowhard you know this. Well, it's fifteen and eight and two super Bowls in the Brady and Manning era. Hell in the Mahomes and Borough era. Is it reasonable to think if they get they go and take a chance with another, Yeah, quarterback, it'll work. I mean, where where have they failed? They work, They've worked with everybody. Yeah, it has been a good run, just like the Packers had a really good twenty five year run with Rogers and Farven, two super Bowls and now they're going off into the wilderness with Jordan Love and who knows what darkness for two? We don't know that wilderness is a little strong one. More Heard the Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Show a sponsor by Better Help start your journey of self discovery with Better Helps convenient affordable online therapy ten percent off your first month Better Help dot Com, Slash Heard, Betterhelp dot Com, slash h R d J Mac with the new turn on the news. This is the herd line News. How about them Cowboys? Colin? What about alas said? An awesome offseason? Right, I mean Brandon Cooks right, adding him into the mixed good receiver, got better in the secondary, but they did lose, killing Moore, Ezekiel Elliott and Dalton Schultz with a lot of friends on the way out. It may be considered a wake up call for I don't know if I can call him your guy, Dak Prescott, but he's taking the changes in stride the urgency. Yeah, I mean having all those guys, I said, departure so many close friends, good teammates and not win a championship, and the urgency was there. But then now as that's turned over, realizing that hey, Mike Blink and Marker may be over with you know what I mean, and that same whatever seven years or years to come, that yeah, the urgency is now. I mean, it's now or never, as simple as that. And yeah, no sugar cooling, oh says the right thing arrow upper air or down for this offense, they're looking good. I don't even understand Cowboy fans. You'll lose a great tight end and out of this world. Coordinator Tyron Smith at left tackle? How many years left? So again, Brandon Cooks gets you about nine hundred yards. But there's a reason that Belichick McVay Sean Payton, it moved off him. It's not changing outcomes. Brian Schottneimer is not Kellen Moore. Do you think coaching matters in this league? I mean, do you honestly think coaching matters? No? Not really? Ran Dabel didn't have a big impact. Yeah, look at Josh Allen's career, Daniel Jones career. Oh, by the way, look at Jalen Hurts. When you got Shane Steiken's career. By the way, Shane Styke and I believe had Justin Herbert as a rookie. Did you see Justin Herbert's numbers as a rookie. They're not the same since Shane Styke and Laught like the idea, I mean, like fans don't pay attention. I got nothing against Brian Schottenheimer. Kellen Moore with five starts from Cooper Rush, no number two receiver, rebuild old line, Mike McCarthy hovering had the number four scoring offense in the NFL. Like, does everybody get you just lost a great brain in the building. Cowboys fans it just as as a Jets fan who dealt with Schottenheimer for a while. You're not in for fun. You're gonna be very frustrated. A lot of running. It's just not clever, not creative. It's a little old school, very old school. I'm just saying it. Like, good luck Dallas. It's gonna be a I think, a tough year for the Cowboys. But fortunately for them, the NFC's very down. Like I mean, Dallas could be a nine win team to make the playoffs. In the end, if they win nine games, it probably won't make the point. Now, next up Denver Broncos. So a lot of speculation that Jerry Judy or Courtland Sutton would be moved this offseason, right, so the books, they got to clean those up. Sean Payton was brought in as the head coach and says, listen, here's what's going on with our receivers. We're not trading those two players. What people call and the phone rings like it does this time of the year, George Patton's job is to pick it up and say, hey, tell you what we're not. And so we've received calls. You bet those are two good football players, but we're in the business of gathering talent right now. Now Colin, a lot of coaches will say we intend to have them for camp, or they're on our roster right now. This is pretty clear cut that they are not trading Sutton or Judy. I'm surprised by this. Well, if you do trade them, you can say we had no intention to trade them, and the offer two second round picks or something we had to move it. Yeah, I don't think they should be in the business of To me, Denver, if they could just get their old line right, is going to be fine. Great, I don't know, but the old line was the issue. Solve that. There's no other part of the team that's They got talent everywhere. Javan Williams coming back at running back, capable at tight end, Judy Sutton, their finite receiver, corners are great. Good pass rush well, pass rush is okay, so I secondary's fine. They have a young safety they love. Denver's not. There's not a lot of holes here to fill. It's just get the old line right. And they went and got a great guard from Baltimore. They can pass block, didn't they a McGlinchey. Yeah, so they solved. It's still a little puzzled given the holes you just said, why did they pick up Jared Stidham? Just food for thought? File it away. You know, Peyton's come out and said really nice things about Jared Stidham this week. He didn't what are you saying, did no? I mean nothing like he's gonna be the starter, but like, we really like him. We think he's a future. If you look at Sean Payton's career Bridgewater and Breeze, he likes the guy that sits in the pocket, doesn't wiggle a lot. You know, Russell's game is more basketball on grass. It's moving around a lot. That's not Sean Payton's his. But that's the modern game, right. The modern quarterback is very mobile. Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Well, all the best quarterbacks are very mobile. Well, I would say they have mobility. I don't look at Patrick Mahomes and say runner, Now, you had a great run in the Super Bowl. Jalen Hurts moves, Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts. Running is a huge component. Mahomes a thrower who can occasionally run. Joe Burrow is a thrower who can occasion. Herbert's a thrower. Trevor Lawrence a thrower. Don't get me wrong again. Mahomes had a great Super Bowl run. Okay, he is a thrower. The best guys in this league all throw right. You're not doing a ton of readoption with Joe Burrow and Patrick Josh Allen hunts. In my opinion, Josh Allen runs way too much, way too much, and Jalen hurts as he's learning it. I'm good with, but I would hope next year going forward as Jalen now is much more capable in the pocket that you just scaled down ten twelve percent a year on run. Okay, let me adjust. Mahomes can escape. You need a quarterback able to escape like Jared gofflu you like he can't relate. Fright, Kirk Cousins ain't going anyw That's right, Like you need a mobile quarterback, Rye. It's fair, but I don't see Mahomes a runner. He's a thrower who can move. Okay, fair enough. Final story, boy Lebron returns to the Lakers and we barely talk about it. I mean he came off the bench. Yeah, and I kind of had an issue with Patrick Beverley, but we're not gonna get into that. So he missed thirteen games with a torn tendon in his foot. Most people would need surgery for something like this, but this is King James. Here he is when asked about his recovery. Did anyone ever suggest surgery? Yeah? Two doctors. Why did you just against it? Because I went to Lebron James if feet and he told me I should they did any Are you gonna date surgery on this after seas? Um? I don't know. Um right now, I don't need it, so we see what happens. M. I'll probably get another MRI at the end of the season and uh and go from there. Um. But if I get find up happening to get surgery, I'm after the season. You guys won't know. I'll talk to you guys in all season, and by the time next season start, I'll be fine. You'll be ready to go. I like that. Come on, you gotta love the King. The only person who had a better quote than him was Patrick Beverley of the Bulls who beat the Lakers yesterday. Patrick Beverley said, I wrote this down. I'm the spoon that serves the drink the Lakers. The Lakers tried to use me as a fork like perfect Patrick Beverley and then you know he did hit hit Lebron with the shot in the lane and he went with the two small like little trolley. There's a reason he's been on like that would be teams. If that is a good billboard right outside your office, the Lebron James of foot Doctors. I think I would take that, and I would that would be my new branding. I'm just curious where does Lebron ranking, Like if you could get a guy to come on this couch and interview him in sports currently, So Tom Brady has retired, noe is Lebron number one? Oh he's up there? Yeah, I'm I mean there's not anybody left. He's very quotable this season with the Lakers, Like every time a microphones in front of him, he's saying something very thoughtful. He's thinking, Actually, I will say Lebron would be great, but Durant would be good because Durant is feisty. He gets really sensitive and feisty. That would be a lot of fun. What if you could get Lebron feisty? People can't get him fight. It's easy to get under very measured. That's the thing. He's very Get him off his game, out of his comfort zone. Yeah, you get Durant in here. We could, we could get him worked up in a second, come on, like yeah, yeah, Lebron. I don't know. I'm hoping he gets the Lakers to the playoffs. I don't think it will happen, but I'm hopeful. I think they're under five hundred now by a game. If you're under five hundred to March, you're not going to the NBA Finals. That's accurate, and that's the Lakers. Yeah. J Mac with the news. 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Everybody's blaming Kyrie Irving, and you know he's a substantial part of it. When they brought him over, it was a big swing. It was fun. But he doesn't play defense. Luca doesn't either. Now they're terrible defensively. But I think Kyrie Irving is the greatest example of the difference between the NFL and the NBA. In the NBA, sizzle and style and flash, it's going to keep getting new jobs. I mean, Westbrook's a guard that can't shoot teams. Still, you know they take a run at him. In twelve years in the NBA, nine of them, Kyrie has been an utter chemistry killer. In three with Lebron he was really really good. So I wouldn't be shocked if the Lakers went after him, because that's when he's been good. But he's blowing up Dallas, he blew up Boston, he blew up Brooklyn. He'll have a market though, because he's got good handles. That is literally the difference between the NFL and the NBA. In the NFL, if you get in the way of winning, it's over, like it doesn't mat Ben Simmons, Westbrook, Kyrie, Irving. You'll find another suitor. So that is the because the aesthetics, style and flash and sizzle, and that's okay. It is that It is a big part of the NBA. NFL is simply about winning. Now, Antonio Brown could be a bit of a wacko, but he won in Pittsburgh, and he won in Tampa. He helped you win. Now, he's not going to get a long term deal. The union much weaker. In the NFL, players have much less power. But he didn't get he didn't get in the way of winning either. And and I you know, Kirk Cousins is a great example. In the NFL, Kirk Cousins has a winning percentage of fifty eight percent. That's right up by Drew Brees. Drew Brees is sixty. He's gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Bill Parcells has a winning percentage of fifty seven. Kirk Cousins is fifty eight percent. You don't have to like him, but he wins a lot. In a division with Aaron Rodgers, he wins a lot. So, um, you know, I look at Kyrie Irving and my takeaway is, yes, this the in the NBA. You can get away with this. The players have more power and there there is it's it's viewed. I think the really smart teams in this league get chemistry, like the Miami Heat have mostly stayed out of the Kyrie Irving business. The Golden State Warriors would stay out of the Kyrie Irving business. But you know, Brooklyn was desperate, Dallas was kind of desperate. And there you go. I will say this. The Aaron Rodgers situation, according to multiple people, is that a stalemate. So I don't think this is It doesn't feel terribly complicated. So I think we all know. I think you know, I know everybody knows what the stalling is for. The Green Bay Packers want the Jets first round pick, and the Jets do not want to part with their first round pick middle of the first round because a second round pick, the deal will be done. The Jets want to give them probably multiple picks, and most outside of this year's being conditional. And though the Packers may be willing to do multiple conditional picks, if Aaron retires, they don't get them. The Packers want the first round pick and the Jets don't want to give it up. And I will say this, I feel like the Jets have no leverage. So just remember this, Aaron Rodgers with an offensive coach in an organization he had been at for years. He knew the offense with a very good offensive line. In September October last year with young receivers and new faces, was three and five in the NFC. In the NFC, that was Aaron Rodgers last year with new people, twenty six ranked offense in FC. So if you look at the Jets, they have a young guy in Garrett Wilson, they have a new guy in Micol Hardman. They have Alan Lazard, an old guy but a new system. They've got a new offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett in a tougher division in the tougher AFC Packers are looking at that, saying, over here, in our system with an offensive coach who's a hell of a lot better than Nathaniel Hackett, Aaron was three and five, and our offense sputtered for two months because he wouldn't commit to the offseason. So the Packers are saying, all right, good luck, we'll tell you how how this works out if Aaron doesn't want to make this work. And the Packers, meanwhile, they're saying, well, we want to get Jordan loved the reps anyway, we don't care if we don't get to pick now, we just won't move him. I mean that the Packers have their picks. They don't have a lot of holes. They need a tight end. Absolutely, they could use an edge rusher. Absolutely, they don't desperately need a wide receiver, but they should get one, and they will draft one early. But the Packers know how this works in the NFC with La Fleur in a good old line and a system Aaron knew new. Aron's not a guy that loves new stuff. He likes stuff he can control. That's fine. So right now, Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs, According to reports are gonna work out with Jordan Love in California. Green Bays like, as exactly what we want, even if Aaron was coming back, that's what we want. We want our young guy getting reps. So what's green Bay didn't have to move, I don't do anything, they get install it till the last day. So I think this is pretty obvious. They want the Jets first round. I've said before I'll probably give up a first round pick for Aaron, then I'd fight you on the rest of the stuff. And I think Green Bay looks at it and says, if we get two first, we can solve two of our three issues. Was starting first round pick should start? Jordan Addison would probably come in and start a tight end. The Kincaid kid from Utah probably comes in and State Me does come in and start, and then you just have to get an edge rusher in your next five or six picks. So I don't think this is great. And I think Green Bay knows they know Aaron's personality and they're like, we had the old line the coach in an easier conference. We were three and five and couldn't move the chains. You think Aaron's gonna walk over you better hurry up and get him in camp and get him that playbook and get him going. We'll tell you how this works out. In the AFC. Not good. So I think Green Bay's got all all the leverage here and if you look at According to JAMAC, John Harbaugh was laughing about the Lamar Jackson tweet because he doesn't want to kind of blow up in front of the media, like you don't want to act desperate. But I don't know. I'm with you. I think Atlanta is a great fit. I would go out for him in Washington. Colts have to consider it. It is hard to give up a quarterback that when seventy five percent of us snaps. Yeah, I mean that, when seventy five percent of his games. Yeah, that's hard to give up in this league with a By the way, Kenny Pikett won seven of us last nine starts. Deshaun Watson don't love him, should be better year two. And Joe Burrow's a top two quarterback in the league in the AFC. So Colin, I ran a business. You run a business as well. Sometimes you gotta make hard decisions, Okay. Mark Cuban knows with the Mavericks he had to make a tough decision. We're sputtering. Let me change it up. They made a trade. It's backfiring. You know. Sometimes like an employee years maybe has an offer from somewhere else. Do we match he's got it's gotta pay him a lot of money. We're gonna have to cut elsewhere. Do we move on? Do we have a Plan B? You've always got to be ready. I firmly believe Colin the Jets need to be prepared mentally offensively. We may not get Aaron Rodgers because if you show any signs of panic, the packers are gonna say, like, what you said, we're gonna wait it out. Well, listen, well we got all some we got whatever the date September where will wait it out? And the Jets need to be like, we're not nervous. Fine, you want to keep Aaron, we will go to Plan B. They have to have a Plan B, and I would hope that involves Lamar Jackson. You have to do that. You can't do Zach Wilson if you're not gonna tank, so we're not gonna talk about it. Okay, So if you're gonna give up a first round pick, you're not doing that. Why not give up two for Lamar? Why not? Well, of course you give up two for Lamar. He's younger, and you know he's gonna come in and work now unless he doesn't want to come in and work. And the guys in the Jets front office who used to be in Baltimore maybe have heard some stuff. There's a chance of that. We don't know it. Maybe Lamar's not grinding in their first guy in, last guy out. Maybe he's not doing that as a quarterback. I don't know, but the Jets need to have a plan B. You know this, Colin. You can't put all your eggs in the Aaron Rodger's basket. I told you we're a house hunting I told my wife. We're not falling in love with any of these houses. At the moment's notice. We're walking away. We don't get our price, we're out. The Jets should hold firm and not give up the first round pick. Okay, so you are you comfortable with two twos? Is one of them a conditional? I'm not giving up two picks this year, obviously, and I'm not giving up a first. So you would give up two twos if he plays a second year, Yeah, I would give up a two. By hell, I'll give up a conditional one. Next year's coming back. Okay, so at two and one, but he has to come back next year, and if there's a chance in thirty nine, maybe he gets hurt. But you do not give up a first time. By the way, if in the here's what's interesting about green Bay. If you give up a two this year, so we say okay, and at one if he comes back, well, if you're green Bay, you could say, well, if he doesn't come back, the Aaron Rodgers story is over. He's not going to come back to burn us. What do we care? Exactly? So, because I do think teams think about that. You don't want to be humiliated by a former star. I don't think Green Bay liked it when Farve went to the Vikings and got to them. But you just said they want this because they got Jordan. Love's hanging out with that in a great space, but nobody wants to get You don't want your ex to walk into the same party you're at with George Clooney. Nobody wants heaven. You got to be prepared for you. What if your ex walks in with Clooney whatever, Hey, congrats, move on. Come on, Life is too short to sweat the small stuff, dude. Come on, Well, the packers are saying a first round pick to a second it's not a small thing. It's a start picks. Yeah, there's a difference between nineteenth and the forty fifth or whatever. You're not giving it up. If I'm the Jets, hell no, hell no, be firm. You're with me on this right, Come on, J and C consulting. No, well, our consulting firms breaking up, teetering, okay, Power Hour Hour three coming up Monday. The Herd in La

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If nobody stopped Cob, nobody stopped Michael, nobody stopped Christian later in college. So when the scores are fifty five fifty eight, it's not because of the great college defense. It's because they don't have any closers. So this tournament's been a lot of sixty four sixty one. There's just no offensive stars. There's no top draft picks. Now next year Yukon big recruiting class, Duke big recruiting class, Michigan State, Kentucky. So four big powers are landing superstar classes. So you'll see the power go back to the big names. But it's kind of a you know, it's cyclical. It's kind of a year in which good teams that are well coached can win close games. I do like to back offense often, Colin, but I say this the one instance we found offense not being superior to defense. The Dallas Mavericks. They were a top ten defensive team last year with Dorian Finney Smith their best wing defender. Yeah, they trade them away. They're now like twenty third in the NBA and defense it cannot stop anybody, and they're not outscoring everybody. The Dallas Mavericks have gone conference finals to out of the playoffs because they don't defend. They don't defend anybody. Yep, all right, it's Colin right, Colin wrong. On a Monday here we go. Where Colin was right. Well, we said last week, even though I love my Zags, I thought Yukon was the best team in the country. They had a dominant big, they're very very well coached, they're deep, they're winning by twenty two a game, and I think that my guess is they're going to roll to the title role being you know, eight ten twelve point wins. They had the biggest blowout in Elite eight in since nineteen I don't even know when they blew out the Zags and Gonzagas doesn't get blown out. They lose, they don't get blown out. So I mean, I think you're looking at a storied program that is now back to being potentially a storied program. Where Colin was wrong, Well, I had the Zags in the title game before the tournament against Duke. So let's just give me a big and wrong. Oh for the entire tournament, Drew Timmy got in foul trouble. The problem though, is they are so reliant this year on Drew Timmy that when he got into foul trouble scores twelve against Utah con they get blown out and has the window closed? No, it's it's a remarkable program, but you know, they may have to. I don't know if they have a Drew Timmy on the way in, they became very Drew Timmy centric. Foul trouble meant they were in big, big l category. Where Colin was right. I said, Kyrie of the MAVs would be fun and dynamic and interesting, but they would suddenly get awful on defense. They are now since arriving, they went from twenty first in defense to eighth. They're eight and thirteen. Lucas now miserable. We just tend to forget this because the Warriors dynasty has also been marked with great defense from Clay Thompson in his prime and Peyton and Draymond and Wiggins. And you gotta defend if you want to win in this league. You can't win one twenty eight, one twenty six. And I said they're going to be terrible defensively. The people that argued they were a title team the opposite. True, they'll be more fun to watch with Kyrie, but they can't stop anybody. Where Colin was wrong, Kevin dem Off, the COO of the Rams, said, listen, they sent a letter to season ticket holders. It was never the plan to give up draft picks forever. I'm wrong on this. They went from super Bowl champs to total rebuild much sooner than I thought. The old line is just not that talented, and when Andrew Whitworth left, it fell apart. Their offensive line, their secondary, their linebackers are just not good enough. They're selling off parts now, defensive parts, primarily to get picks. I'm wrong, I all, and they did get a super Bowl out of it, so I'm for that, and the Niners would take that in a second. But it fell apart much much faster than I thought. Where Colin was right, well, I said on the Ravens a couple of months ago that I thought Lamar Jackson was veering into noisy and odd territory and the Ravens weren't going to play that game. I still I think they want to sign him, they just want it closer to their terms. But this morning he requested a trade. John Harbaugh sort of smirked at it, but he used his mom as an agent. Now he's got a representative who the league is sending memos to teams not to contact or take his calls. I like Lamar a lot, but he's kind of veered into a Kawhi Leonard category and this is just more of it. This morning requesting a trade where Colin was wrong. Well, when John Morant had his personal issues, I thought it would sabotage and derail the Grizzlies. Well they're nine to three since Jaw's personal situation, they've won nine of ten. He came off the bench and did well. He started last night and scored twenty seven. So it's a very well coached, deep team. Jaws rebounded from it. Like we said from the very beginning, kids make mistakes. It's a lot of money, a lot of fame thrust upon him, a remarkable, dynamic player. But I thought they'd be derailed much more and they're not at all. Their back and rolling a two seat in the west. Where Colin was right. Alan Lazard talking about Aaron Rodgers this weekend, that's if Aaron Rodgers arrives, do I get another right on Aaron Rodgers. This thing is turning out to be exactly what we said over the last year to two on Aaron. If you do business with Aaron, it's gonna be high maintenance because Aaron is needy. He's got to be the smartest guy in the room. He doesn't want anybody to think they have control. And if you're an employee, even a highly compensated one, you're going to be controlled by somebody. Even billionaires have bosses. It may be the market, but they've got bosses. So this Jets two teams now hanging in Limbo, is very much on brand where Colin was right. Well, I've been saying this now for a year. The Bill's got to fix their offense. Josh Allen takes too many hits, and his coach Sean McDermott said yesterday at the start of the NFL owner meetings it absolutely concerns him that Allan gets hit on sixty six percent of the runs and the organization and team needs to do a better job. Part of it is McDermott has been incapable of developing a consistent run game. But they are acknowledging well, we have been acknowledging now for two years. We saw it with Cam, we saw it with Big Ben. I don't care if you're six six and two fifty, your career will be significantly shortened if you play the way Josh Allen plays. Get him an on line and protected well. The NFL owner meetings are in Arizona. Albert Breer is now joining us live Monday Morning Quarterback. Okay, so we just saw Harbaugh sort of smirk and sort of laugh at the Lamar Jackson trade request. What's the buzz there now in Phoenix regarding that? Albert Well, I mean, this felt like a nuke, you know what I mean? Column Like if you look at like the way this happened. He Harbos sat down at seven forty five at a table, and Lamar had send on that tweet at seven forty eight, And I think that this is sort of where the situation is that trade requestment number three weeks ago. There's obviously the person that's representing Lamar out there to teams, and it feels a little bit like Lamar's camp has gotten a little bit desperate. Now. In the end, I think that both sides are so invested in each other that there eventually will be some sort of resolution here. But it's very very clear that Lamar Jackson's looking at the idea of leaving leaving the Ravens in a very very serious way. And you know, I think to some degree the communication with the Ravens has been cut off to sort of plant that point. This further proves that point, and I mean, we'll see where things go from here. Obviously there's nothing happening inside the building with players yet, but I mean we're just a few weeks away from seasons and programs beginning OTAs a few weeks after that, so you know, obviously the Ravens are gonna have to, you know, try to find some sort of middle ground with Lamar Jackson between now and then. And uh, you know, certainly, I think what happened this morning was a sign of where things are. Um, let me ask you. I I the Ravens have two Super Bowls and we're fifteen and eight in the postseason in the Brady and Peyton Manning era. So they've won before Lamar, and they'd get two first round picks if they moved him. They'd win after Lamar. They they've proven that. I also think Lamar has a point that Deshaun Watson contract. He's like, guys, you're not gonna offer me a one hundred million less What if Jamax said this earlier? They said, Okay, we'll give you a fully, We'll give you a franchise tag for a year, fully guaranteed forty five million. Would that statiate him? Or is that not enough? Either? Is this just long? Does the contract have to be fully guaranteed and long? I I think that the question is how long you know? At this point? Like to me, like the solution has always been maybe a Kirk Cousins type of deal with more money involved, but maybe a three year, fully guaranteed deal. I think that that's where the middle ground is. I think a big part of this column for Lamar is principal. And look, I know that sounds silly because of how much money he's turned down, but if this was really about the money, I think he would have just taken the money. I think the way that Lamar looks at this is all right. So for five years, I took on a precedent amount of damage for a quarterback. I played out my rookie contract, I played out my fifth year option. And now you're the one that wants injury protection three years from now. I'm not giving you that. And so, like I think the middle ground here instead of doing a traditional top of the market quarterback contract, which is what the Ravens have offered, and doing it Deshaun Watson type of contract, which is what Lamar Jackson wants do. The Kirk Cousins deal where you say, let's do three years fully guarantee will give you a no tag provision. So if you want to be a free agent in twenty twenty six, you've got a freeway to get there, and let's go forward for the next few years and see how we can make this work. To me, like that would be the middle ground. But it feels at least like things have gone off the rails to a degree where there's going to need to be some relationship mending before they can come to any sort of compromise. Okay, So there's a lot of different reports on the Carolina Panthers, the number one pick. Again, you're in Phoenix, you're at the owners meetings, you hear this stuff. These are great conferences to go to to just hear the rumors. Yeah, I still think Bryce Young's the best, but I don't know if he fits their plans. What are you hearing? Yeah, I think Bryce Young has been the leader in the clubhouse throughout for them, you know, and I think going back to you know, when they were talking about moving up to the number one overall, Bryce Young was sort of the baseline. So you know what I mean by that is when you trade for him, you got When you get trade for that pick, you gotta be comfortable like somebody here is worth the first overall pick, and that's somebody I think for the Panthers was Bryce Young. And now they do work on all four of the quarterback Levis and Richardson and of course CJ. Stroud, and see if any of those guys pass Bryce Young for them. But as of right now, I think that that bassline for them and who they pick first overall would be Bryce Young. Now, I think the guy who's closest for them would probably be CJ. Stroud. I think they're like both those guys, and they view both those guys as worthy of the first overall pick, and I think they'll be sort of parsing things between the two of them, and then they'll do all the work on Levis and Richardson well to see if either of those guys, who actually are probably more physically gifted like just as far as the way they look like the figure they cut as quarterbacks, see if those guys have a chance to catch either the either the other two between now and the draft. But as of right now, I think it's it's it's Bryce Young in a bassline with CJ. Stroud running a close second. Listen, green Bay's got their quarterback. They want, they want Jordan Love to take all the snaps and OTAs. They're in no hurry at all. I presume they're saying, give us a first round pick or we're not picking up the phone. That's what I presume. The Jets are in a situation where they got a new receiver, they got a young receiver into a new team. I feel like the leverage is all Green Bay. Am I wrong? No? Because I think that like the leverage is always in the hands of the person who hasn't doesn't have to do him anything. And until September first, the Packers literally don't have to do anything. They have their quarterback, they have their team. Rogers cap had actually goes up after they trade him, so they're not saving any cap space by trading him. They would actually lose cap space if they trade him. So really, you know, between now in September first, they don't have to do anything. That fifty eight point three million dollars is fully guaranteed. But the genius is the way the contract was written was they can pick that up whenever they want and start the payment on it whenever they want, and so that gives them flexibility. The Jets have to bring in Aaron Rodgers. Derek Carr's off the market, Jimmy Garoppolo's off the market. We see what's happened with a little mar Jackson situation. I mean to me, for Joe Douglas and Robert Salad, this has sort of become a zero sum game. You either get him or you don't. I think ultimately cooler heads will prevail, But I do think that there's more pressure on the Jets to get something done here than there is in the Packers, at least until we get to the end of August. Very exciting. So again, Lamar Jackson, let me throw this at you. If you're the Colts and you know you're not going to get the first two quarterbacks, they may not light anybody after the two. That's whether or not moving up to three. They're like, we're not in love with these guys. I would think the Colts would have a meeting over Lamar right like this, the third Lamar Win seventy five percent of his games or a kid from Kentucky who may be a miss. Well, if we're talking about it generically, Colin like teams that are picking in the top ten, if you don't want to give up a top ten pick to get Lamar, you can wait until after the draft, and then as part of signing an offer sheet, you'd be talking about picks in twenty four to twenty five. So, say you're the Colts and you're not wild about the quarterbacks that are going to be available to you at four, you can sit there the next three weeks, look at Will Anderson, look at Jalen Carter, take one of the two, and then get passed the draft and sign Lamar Jackson to an offer sheet. And now you're giving up your first round pick in twenty four and twenty five instead of the fourth overall pick this year. Yeah, and if you think it would be pretty good with Lamar's your quarterback, now you're talking about maybe the twenty fifth pick next year instead of the fourth pick this year. So I do think that that's one piece of all of this the people aren't paying attention to when it comes to where other teams stand with Lamar Jackson. If you're a team tips picking in the top ten that needs a quarterback that isn't wild about this year's quarterbacks. I mean, it would definitely behoove you potentially to wait until after the draft and then make your move on Lamar Jackson. So I don't have the sense that any team is doing that quite yet, but could it happen. I mean, logically it would make sense if it did. Yeah, that's really interesting. You could get the pass rusher and then get Lamar, and you give up the preton the net because they also need a pass rusher, they need a quarterback, they need a pass rusher. They could probably use another receiver, they could use picks. That's that's a good call. Albert Breyer at the owner meetings, Well, scarf of up all the free food they offer if they do, you know, take advantagement those you know conventions. I'm not staying here. I'm staying down the street, all right, Albert, Good seeing you? All right? Thanks. M Yeah, that's that's not a bad idea. I get my edge rusher and I get Lamar massive upgrade at two key positions for the Colts, and then I give up the next two. It's not a bad idea. But if you're the Ravens. Don't you just say no, not happening. We'll match it. Sorry, he's staying here, well matching it. It doesn't sound like matching. It's gonna be good enough. This is personal. Now. He dropped the tweet as John Harbaugh spoke the NS. So the Ravens are smiling about this. Let's go play the John Harbaugh bite again. The Ravens are smiling about this stuff. Lamar's out there dropping like cryptic tweets and making request demand totally different. Look at the Ravens reaction to this publicly, this doesn't look like crisis here. I'm pretty fired up about Lamar Jackson. I mean, Lamar Jackson is a great player. Lamar came back in great shape last year. He's fired up to play. That's the Lamar that I'm looking for, looking forward to seeing. Can't wait to get back on the grass and go to work. And I'm confident that's gonna happen. So you're following him on Twitter and I haven't seen the tweet. That's an ongoing process. I'm following it very closely, just like everybody else is here and looking forward to a resolution. I'm excited thinking about Lamar all the time thinking about him as our quarterback. So their takeaway is we made an offer. We didn't low ball him. We made him an offer. We think we're gonna get it back. But the question becomes if Lamar is just like you know, listen, if somebody forgive and forget, he's not gonna forget this. He could be. He appears to be somebody that gets very sensitive. He's a little unorthodox and negotiating. That's what I'm seeing so far. And people don't generally change like Aaron's dramatic. Kevin Durant responding to Charles Barkley again, there's Weekend Kyler, Murray, Kawhi Leonard. It's okay, everybody's different, but this, this appears to be his personality. He gets he gets defensive, he's been doubted, he's got a chip on his shoulder. He can be a little sensitive. That's okay, But I don't the idea that we'll match the offer come on in. I don't think that's good enough. Have you heard the phrase smiling on the outside, crying on the inside. Yeah, I wonder if some of that is happening with Hardball. He can't make a scene with fifty reporters there right at the owner's meetings. He's probably, Hey, yeah, we're excited to get Lamar Jackson. Meanwhile, inside he's seething that Lamar just stole his moment, put him on the spot in front of all these reporters. I would I would venture Hart was very ticked off at the situation right now. He knows they have no backup plan. Dude, the backup was not getting them seven or eight wins next year. Well, if you trade him, you have a backup plan. You get the Colts pick, you get the beer strategy where they don't give the Colts pick number four, and then you got a hope when you go draft to quarterback Max dug It in the second round, Ravens have one with I mean they all us Girdball one something, dil per super Bowl, Flacco, Lamar. They went a lot, They went a lot or they've gotten very fortunate with some of these quarterbacks, like Trent. I know he's your boy and everything, but like, well, being fortunate. You don't get to a Super Bowl because of they got there. They got there with one of the best defenses since like the eighty five Bears. Yea, they always have a good defense, and they always have a good coach, and they always have a good culture, and they always draft and developed. Well, well, nothing lasts forever, Cowhard you know this. Well, it's fifteen and eight and two super Bowls in the Brady and Manning era. Hell in the Mahomes and Borough era. Is it reasonable to think if they get they go and take a chance with another, Yeah, quarterback, it'll work. I mean, where where have they failed? They work, They've worked with everybody. Yeah, it has been a good run, just like the Packers had a really good twenty five year run with Rogers and Farven, two super Bowls and now they're going off into the wilderness with Jordan Love and who knows what darkness for two? We don't know that wilderness is a little strong one. More Heard the Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Show a sponsor by Better Help start your journey of self discovery with Better Helps convenient affordable online therapy ten percent off your first month Better Help dot Com, Slash Heard, Betterhelp dot Com, slash h R d J Mac with the new turn on the news. This is the herd line News. How about them Cowboys? Colin? What about alas said? An awesome offseason? Right, I mean Brandon Cooks right, adding him into the mixed good receiver, got better in the secondary, but they did lose, killing Moore, Ezekiel Elliott and Dalton Schultz with a lot of friends on the way out. It may be considered a wake up call for I don't know if I can call him your guy, Dak Prescott, but he's taking the changes in stride the urgency. Yeah, I mean having all those guys, I said, departure so many close friends, good teammates and not win a championship, and the urgency was there. But then now as that's turned over, realizing that hey, Mike Blink and Marker may be over with you know what I mean, and that same whatever seven years or years to come, that yeah, the urgency is now. I mean, it's now or never, as simple as that. And yeah, no sugar cooling, oh says the right thing arrow upper air or down for this offense, they're looking good. I don't even understand Cowboy fans. You'll lose a great tight end and out of this world. Coordinator Tyron Smith at left tackle? How many years left? So again, Brandon Cooks gets you about nine hundred yards. But there's a reason that Belichick McVay Sean Payton, it moved off him. It's not changing outcomes. Brian Schottneimer is not Kellen Moore. Do you think coaching matters in this league? I mean, do you honestly think coaching matters? No? Not really? Ran Dabel didn't have a big impact. Yeah, look at Josh Allen's career, Daniel Jones career. Oh, by the way, look at Jalen Hurts. When you got Shane Steiken's career. By the way, Shane Styke and I believe had Justin Herbert as a rookie. Did you see Justin Herbert's numbers as a rookie. They're not the same since Shane Styke and Laught like the idea, I mean, like fans don't pay attention. I got nothing against Brian Schottenheimer. Kellen Moore with five starts from Cooper Rush, no number two receiver, rebuild old line, Mike McCarthy hovering had the number four scoring offense in the NFL. Like, does everybody get you just lost a great brain in the building. Cowboys fans it just as as a Jets fan who dealt with Schottenheimer for a while. You're not in for fun. You're gonna be very frustrated. A lot of running. It's just not clever, not creative. It's a little old school, very old school. I'm just saying it. Like, good luck Dallas. It's gonna be a I think, a tough year for the Cowboys. But fortunately for them, the NFC's very down. Like I mean, Dallas could be a nine win team to make the playoffs. In the end, if they win nine games, it probably won't make the point. Now, next up Denver Broncos. So a lot of speculation that Jerry Judy or Courtland Sutton would be moved this offseason, right, so the books, they got to clean those up. Sean Payton was brought in as the head coach and says, listen, here's what's going on with our receivers. We're not trading those two players. What people call and the phone rings like it does this time of the year, George Patton's job is to pick it up and say, hey, tell you what we're not. And so we've received calls. You bet those are two good football players, but we're in the business of gathering talent right now. Now Colin, a lot of coaches will say we intend to have them for camp, or they're on our roster right now. This is pretty clear cut that they are not trading Sutton or Judy. I'm surprised by this. Well, if you do trade them, you can say we had no intention to trade them, and the offer two second round picks or something we had to move it. Yeah, I don't think they should be in the business of To me, Denver, if they could just get their old line right, is going to be fine. Great, I don't know, but the old line was the issue. Solve that. There's no other part of the team that's They got talent everywhere. Javan Williams coming back at running back, capable at tight end, Judy Sutton, their finite receiver, corners are great. Good pass rush well, pass rush is okay, so I secondary's fine. They have a young safety they love. Denver's not. There's not a lot of holes here to fill. It's just get the old line right. And they went and got a great guard from Baltimore. They can pass block, didn't they a McGlinchey. Yeah, so they solved. It's still a little puzzled given the holes you just said, why did they pick up Jared Stidham? Just food for thought? File it away. You know, Peyton's come out and said really nice things about Jared Stidham this week. He didn't what are you saying, did no? I mean nothing like he's gonna be the starter, but like, we really like him. We think he's a future. If you look at Sean Payton's career Bridgewater and Breeze, he likes the guy that sits in the pocket, doesn't wiggle a lot. You know, Russell's game is more basketball on grass. It's moving around a lot. That's not Sean Payton's his. But that's the modern game, right. The modern quarterback is very mobile. Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Well, all the best quarterbacks are very mobile. Well, I would say they have mobility. I don't look at Patrick Mahomes and say runner, Now, you had a great run in the Super Bowl. Jalen Hurts moves, Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts. Running is a huge component. Mahomes a thrower who can occasionally run. Joe Burrow is a thrower who can occasion. Herbert's a thrower. Trevor Lawrence a thrower. Don't get me wrong again. Mahomes had a great Super Bowl run. Okay, he is a thrower. The best guys in this league all throw right. You're not doing a ton of readoption with Joe Burrow and Patrick Josh Allen hunts. In my opinion, Josh Allen runs way too much, way too much, and Jalen hurts as he's learning it. I'm good with, but I would hope next year going forward as Jalen now is much more capable in the pocket that you just scaled down ten twelve percent a year on run. Okay, let me adjust. Mahomes can escape. You need a quarterback able to escape like Jared gofflu you like he can't relate. Fright, Kirk Cousins ain't going anyw That's right, Like you need a mobile quarterback, Rye. It's fair, but I don't see Mahomes a runner. He's a thrower who can move. Okay, fair enough. Final story, boy Lebron returns to the Lakers and we barely talk about it. I mean he came off the bench. Yeah, and I kind of had an issue with Patrick Beverley, but we're not gonna get into that. So he missed thirteen games with a torn tendon in his foot. Most people would need surgery for something like this, but this is King James. Here he is when asked about his recovery. Did anyone ever suggest surgery? Yeah? Two doctors. Why did you just against it? Because I went to Lebron James if feet and he told me I should they did any Are you gonna date surgery on this after seas? Um? I don't know. Um right now, I don't need it, so we see what happens. M. I'll probably get another MRI at the end of the season and uh and go from there. Um. But if I get find up happening to get surgery, I'm after the season. You guys won't know. I'll talk to you guys in all season, and by the time next season start, I'll be fine. You'll be ready to go. I like that. Come on, you gotta love the King. The only person who had a better quote than him was Patrick Beverley of the Bulls who beat the Lakers yesterday. Patrick Beverley said, I wrote this down. I'm the spoon that serves the drink the Lakers. The Lakers tried to use me as a fork like perfect Patrick Beverley and then you know he did hit hit Lebron with the shot in the lane and he went with the two small like little trolley. There's a reason he's been on like that would be teams. If that is a good billboard right outside your office, the Lebron James of foot Doctors. I think I would take that, and I would that would be my new branding. I'm just curious where does Lebron ranking, Like if you could get a guy to come on this couch and interview him in sports currently, So Tom Brady has retired, noe is Lebron number one? Oh he's up there? Yeah, I'm I mean there's not anybody left. He's very quotable this season with the Lakers, Like every time a microphones in front of him, he's saying something very thoughtful. He's thinking, Actually, I will say Lebron would be great, but Durant would be good because Durant is feisty. He gets really sensitive and feisty. That would be a lot of fun. What if you could get Lebron feisty? People can't get him fight. It's easy to get under very measured. That's the thing. He's very Get him off his game, out of his comfort zone. Yeah, you get Durant in here. We could, we could get him worked up in a second, come on, like yeah, yeah, Lebron. I don't know. I'm hoping he gets the Lakers to the playoffs. I don't think it will happen, but I'm hopeful. I think they're under five hundred now by a game. If you're under five hundred to March, you're not going to the NBA Finals. That's accurate, and that's the Lakers. Yeah. J Mac with the news. 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Everybody's blaming Kyrie Irving, and you know he's a substantial part of it. When they brought him over, it was a big swing. It was fun. But he doesn't play defense. Luca doesn't either. Now they're terrible defensively. But I think Kyrie Irving is the greatest example of the difference between the NFL and the NBA. In the NBA, sizzle and style and flash, it's going to keep getting new jobs. I mean, Westbrook's a guard that can't shoot teams. Still, you know they take a run at him. In twelve years in the NBA, nine of them, Kyrie has been an utter chemistry killer. In three with Lebron he was really really good. So I wouldn't be shocked if the Lakers went after him, because that's when he's been good. But he's blowing up Dallas, he blew up Boston, he blew up Brooklyn. He'll have a market though, because he's got good handles. That is literally the difference between the NFL and the NBA. In the NFL, if you get in the way of winning, it's over, like it doesn't mat Ben Simmons, Westbrook, Kyrie, Irving. You'll find another suitor. So that is the because the aesthetics, style and flash and sizzle, and that's okay. It is that It is a big part of the NBA. NFL is simply about winning. Now, Antonio Brown could be a bit of a wacko, but he won in Pittsburgh, and he won in Tampa. He helped you win. Now, he's not going to get a long term deal. The union much weaker. In the NFL, players have much less power. But he didn't get he didn't get in the way of winning either. And and I you know, Kirk Cousins is a great example. In the NFL, Kirk Cousins has a winning percentage of fifty eight percent. That's right up by Drew Brees. Drew Brees is sixty. He's gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Bill Parcells has a winning percentage of fifty seven. Kirk Cousins is fifty eight percent. You don't have to like him, but he wins a lot. In a division with Aaron Rodgers, he wins a lot. So, um, you know, I look at Kyrie Irving and my takeaway is, yes, this the in the NBA. You can get away with this. The players have more power and there there is it's it's viewed. I think the really smart teams in this league get chemistry, like the Miami Heat have mostly stayed out of the Kyrie Irving business. The Golden State Warriors would stay out of the Kyrie Irving business. But you know, Brooklyn was desperate, Dallas was kind of desperate. And there you go. I will say this. The Aaron Rodgers situation, according to multiple people, is that a stalemate. So I don't think this is It doesn't feel terribly complicated. So I think we all know. I think you know, I know everybody knows what the stalling is for. The Green Bay Packers want the Jets first round pick, and the Jets do not want to part with their first round pick middle of the first round because a second round pick, the deal will be done. The Jets want to give them probably multiple picks, and most outside of this year's being conditional. And though the Packers may be willing to do multiple conditional picks, if Aaron retires, they don't get them. The Packers want the first round pick and the Jets don't want to give it up. And I will say this, I feel like the Jets have no leverage. So just remember this, Aaron Rodgers with an offensive coach in an organization he had been at for years. He knew the offense with a very good offensive line. In September October last year with young receivers and new faces, was three and five in the NFC. In the NFC, that was Aaron Rodgers last year with new people, twenty six ranked offense in FC. So if you look at the Jets, they have a young guy in Garrett Wilson, they have a new guy in Micol Hardman. They have Alan Lazard, an old guy but a new system. They've got a new offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett in a tougher division in the tougher AFC Packers are looking at that, saying, over here, in our system with an offensive coach who's a hell of a lot better than Nathaniel Hackett, Aaron was three and five, and our offense sputtered for two months because he wouldn't commit to the offseason. So the Packers are saying, all right, good luck, we'll tell you how how this works out if Aaron doesn't want to make this work. And the Packers, meanwhile, they're saying, well, we want to get Jordan loved the reps anyway, we don't care if we don't get to pick now, we just won't move him. I mean that the Packers have their picks. They don't have a lot of holes. They need a tight end. Absolutely, they could use an edge rusher. Absolutely, they don't desperately need a wide receiver, but they should get one, and they will draft one early. But the Packers know how this works in the NFC with La Fleur in a good old line and a system Aaron knew new. Aron's not a guy that loves new stuff. He likes stuff he can control. That's fine. So right now, Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs, According to reports are gonna work out with Jordan Love in California. Green Bays like, as exactly what we want, even if Aaron was coming back, that's what we want. We want our young guy getting reps. So what's green Bay didn't have to move, I don't do anything, they get install it till the last day. So I think this is pretty obvious. They want the Jets first round. I've said before I'll probably give up a first round pick for Aaron, then I'd fight you on the rest of the stuff. And I think Green Bay looks at it and says, if we get two first, we can solve two of our three issues. Was starting first round pick should start? Jordan Addison would probably come in and start a tight end. The Kincaid kid from Utah probably comes in and State Me does come in and start, and then you just have to get an edge rusher in your next five or six picks. So I don't think this is great. And I think Green Bay knows they know Aaron's personality and they're like, we had the old line the coach in an easier conference. We were three and five and couldn't move the chains. You think Aaron's gonna walk over you better hurry up and get him in camp and get him that playbook and get him going. We'll tell you how this works out. In the AFC. Not good. So I think Green Bay's got all all the leverage here and if you look at According to JAMAC, John Harbaugh was laughing about the Lamar Jackson tweet because he doesn't want to kind of blow up in front of the media, like you don't want to act desperate. But I don't know. I'm with you. I think Atlanta is a great fit. I would go out for him in Washington. Colts have to consider it. It is hard to give up a quarterback that when seventy five percent of us snaps. Yeah, I mean that, when seventy five percent of his games. Yeah, that's hard to give up in this league with a By the way, Kenny Pikett won seven of us last nine starts. Deshaun Watson don't love him, should be better year two. And Joe Burrow's a top two quarterback in the league in the AFC. So Colin, I ran a business. You run a business as well. Sometimes you gotta make hard decisions, Okay. Mark Cuban knows with the Mavericks he had to make a tough decision. We're sputtering. Let me change it up. They made a trade. It's backfiring. You know. Sometimes like an employee years maybe has an offer from somewhere else. Do we match he's got it's gotta pay him a lot of money. We're gonna have to cut elsewhere. Do we move on? Do we have a Plan B? You've always got to be ready. I firmly believe Colin the Jets need to be prepared mentally offensively. We may not get Aaron Rodgers because if you show any signs of panic, the packers are gonna say, like, what you said, we're gonna wait it out. Well, listen, well we got all some we got whatever the date September where will wait it out? And the Jets need to be like, we're not nervous. Fine, you want to keep Aaron, we will go to Plan B. They have to have a Plan B, and I would hope that involves Lamar Jackson. You have to do that. You can't do Zach Wilson if you're not gonna tank, so we're not gonna talk about it. Okay, So if you're gonna give up a first round pick, you're not doing that. Why not give up two for Lamar? Why not? Well, of course you give up two for Lamar. He's younger, and you know he's gonna come in and work now unless he doesn't want to come in and work. And the guys in the Jets front office who used to be in Baltimore maybe have heard some stuff. There's a chance of that. We don't know it. Maybe Lamar's not grinding in their first guy in, last guy out. Maybe he's not doing that as a quarterback. I don't know, but the Jets need to have a plan B. You know this, Colin. You can't put all your eggs in the Aaron Rodger's basket. I told you we're a house hunting I told my wife. We're not falling in love with any of these houses. At the moment's notice. We're walking away. We don't get our price, we're out. The Jets should hold firm and not give up the first round pick. Okay, so you are you comfortable with two twos? Is one of them a conditional? I'm not giving up two picks this year, obviously, and I'm not giving up a first. So you would give up two twos if he plays a second year, Yeah, I would give up a two. By hell, I'll give up a conditional one. Next year's coming back. Okay, so at two and one, but he has to come back next year, and if there's a chance in thirty nine, maybe he gets hurt. But you do not give up a first time. By the way, if in the here's what's interesting about green Bay. If you give up a two this year, so we say okay, and at one if he comes back, well, if you're green Bay, you could say, well, if he doesn't come back, the Aaron Rodgers story is over. He's not going to come back to burn us. What do we care? Exactly? So, because I do think teams think about that. You don't want to be humiliated by a former star. I don't think Green Bay liked it when Farve went to the Vikings and got to them. But you just said they want this because they got Jordan. Love's hanging out with that in a great space, but nobody wants to get You don't want your ex to walk into the same party you're at with George Clooney. Nobody wants heaven. You got to be prepared for you. What if your ex walks in with Clooney whatever, Hey, congrats, move on. Come on, Life is too short to sweat the small stuff, dude. Come on, Well, the packers are saying a first round pick to a second it's not a small thing. It's a start picks. Yeah, there's a difference between nineteenth and the forty fifth or whatever. You're not giving it up. If I'm the Jets, hell no, hell no, be firm. You're with me on this right, Come on, J and C consulting. No, well, our consulting firms breaking up, teetering, okay, Power Hour Hour three coming up Monday. The Herd in La