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We all kind of snooze through August and then we're ready to go again. It's great to have you in J Mack. I know it was painful. I know that call got you worked up, but you have to admit that was one of the great Super Bowls ever, certainly amazing game. You just you don't like it to end that way. Eagles don't have a chance. I would have loved to have seen Jalen Hurts work his magic going the length of the field. Dylan Hurts, I'm still in awe of that performance. That was some spectacular stuff. We agree. Now he's in the running strongly for number six in the league. Yeah, like this, And I said to you, by the way, dak or Jalen Hurts, Okay, I'm the same way. You and I are the same. But that is not a majority opinion. I don't think it's close. I think Jalen's much better. Now. We'll see what happens to the Eagles in the offseason. Remember, a lot of their guys in the trenches are getting up there in age. Elaine, Johnson and Kelsey could retire they had they were very healthy this season. If that's not duplicated next year, how we'll Hurts perform behind like average offensive line? We'll see, all right, Colin right, Colin wrong, plenty of both on a Monday and here we go. Where Colin was right. Well, not only did I pick Kansas City, but I felt the Chief's offensive line was the most underrated unit in the entire game. They didn't allow a sack, ran the ball much better than the vaunted OH line of the Eagles six point one yard to carry. This offensive line for the Chiefs never got any respect. There's always a unit or a player in a Super Bowl that is overshadowed or overlooked and shocks us all. The KSEYO line was absolutely fantastic and outplayed to me the Eagles OH line where Colin was rang. I was concerned about Jalen Hurts running too much. I thought they'd sort of hide him in the first half, maybe running the second wrong oh. I also was concerned about his deep ball wrong Oh. He was fanta hastick. They were hyper aggressive running him. He's not one hundred percent. I thought he had nice touch. I didn't like the way he looked against the Niners, but they obviously felt strong. They went deep early, they ran him early, and great game planned by Nick Seriani. Where Colin was right. When Tyreek Hill left, I said, the Chiefs offense will be just fine. They'll go to the short pass they'll be just as productive. They'll just score differently. Well, that's exactly what happened. They became the best short passing team in the NFL. They don't score quite as quickly, they don't have that lightning on the outside. But Juju Smith Schuster played very well yesterday. Travis Kelsey the run game. We never ever thought the media's overreaction to that equaled reality. Andy Reiden Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, good old line are gonna score. It's just gonna look differently, and it did. Where Colin was raw one more time. Nick Sirianni I thought had a very very good offensive game plan. He butchered his opening press conference, and to his credit, as Tom Rinaldi detailed, he knew it was bad, and so he repeatedly showed his team how much better he could get with the media. And by the way, his Super Bowl press conference, he was great. Sirianni was a young guy. I didn't know much about him. He wasn't on a lot of lists, and then you give him the Philadelphia Eagle job. That is a big boy job with a big boy media and fan base, and he has absolutely crushed it. Where Colin was right. You know, everybody talked about depth, and I said, when teams are evenly matched, just give me the coach and the quarterback and the weapon Mahomes, Andy Reid the reason they won. That's it. Yes the Eagles had more talent, Yes they had depth, Yes they had over significance in the units. But when you go to the NBA Finals, and when you go to the NFL playoffs or the Super Bowl. Go to last year's Super Bowl, it was Cooper cup Stafford had the biggest pass, Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey. Depth is overrated in the very biggest of games. You're just gonna let guys, your stars take over. And I thought the difference was Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, not depth, where Colin was raw Derek Carr. I thought there'd be a bidding war, and maybe they're still will be. But he's gonna get cut by the Raiders. Now, I think you can make an argument it's the smartest thing to do because the team that then acquires him will not have to give up draft capital, the opposite of the Carmelo Anthony to the Nick steal. So he's just saying, Nope, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm not gonna give up my veto power. I'm gonna control where I go and the team that gets him. As Jamack pointed out accurately earlier, we'll get a compensatory pick, but I figured there would be. I mean, I don't know what the Jets are going to do at quarterback. The entire NFC South, What are they going to do at quarterback? There should be four teams bidden on him now, Tampa, Carolina, Atlanta. Where Colin was right. I said, one of the things I like about mobile quarterbacks like Jalen Hurts is as they try to refine their games, mobility gives them the time to do it. Same with Russell Wilson. And what you saw with Jalen Hurts backs up my argument. He completed fifty two percent as a rookie, sixty one percent next year, sixty six percent year three, and seventy one percent of the Super Bowl. Is that I like to draft quarterbacks who can move, because even Mahomes admitted it took him until year three to really the light to turn on and to be able to read defenses at a high level. Mobility matters unless you're this rare sort of kid that just walks out of off the white board, you know, in college, and can literally figure out defenses. Jalen Hurtz has slowly refined his game, and as a friend who I trust deeply said yesterday, who worked in the NFL at one time, he's starting to play like Russell Wilson, but maybe even a better runner. It's taken him some time, but now he's totally comfortable in the pocket. Where Colin was right, The Brooklyn Nets finally unraveled completely. Listen. It was too much diva, too much ego, too much me. I know they were fun, they were a great story, and I understand the attention everybody paid to them. Kyrie hardened, KD eventually Simmons. But chemistry matters. The Nets, before all the stars got there, were known as a deep team without stars but great chemistry. They blew it all up. They put a rookie coach in control of massive stars and it completely unraveled. They don't have the chemist read the depth or the culture of Milwaukee or Boston or Golden State. And I don't feel, and never did, they were a threat to win the championship, all right, Colin Wright, Colin wrong here, comes Eric Mangini, who's got three Super Bowl rings. You know, this was thrown out this morning that Belichick, if you faced a team wearing a white jersey, would have you wear white gloves. And by the way, when McVay lost to Belichick in a Super Bowl, he acknowledged that Bill knew a lot of tricks that in game, and I thought to myself, I could see Belichick going guys white gloves. So you were in three of these with Bill. We tend to look at stars, but when you have two weeks to prepare, Eric, there are a lot of little tricks, right, like red zone plays by Andy Reid that you can use. Yeah, I thought it was a great job of coaching by by Andy and the offensive staff, especially in the second half. And you saw it in the red zone. They did it twice, both for touchdowns. They motioned that the wide receiver and on that short motion they got the robot call by the DBS because they were comboing it. So the dB looks inside and then the wide receiver quickly comes back outside and there's no chance. There's no chance to get it. They do that on the Cadarius Tony play. They do it on the sky more play and then you come back. And even on the penalty, that was a motion back inside where the receiver whipped back out and they had the dB, they get the penalty. Those those two plays and two calls right there were huge and were great coaching nuances. Yeah. I also thought the punt return by Kansas City. I put it in my notes. I just said, that's the game. Now. It didn't end up being it because Jalen Hurts came back, But the Patriots were always so deft, so smart and alert on speci teams. Sean Payton, to his credit, said before the game, don't love Philly special teams? Was that always a fear for Belichick? Like this game is going to be decided by the unit nobody talks about. Yeah, and that's that's what I love so much about this this Super Bowl Colin for Kansas City. You've got a defensive touchdown, You've got a specialty at the longest punt return in Super Bowl history by a guy that they pick up in a trade. Yeah, and it's it's a complete team victory. And as opposed to just the magic of Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, which both were outstanding, but when you add a defensive score and a special team play like that that sets up a touchdown, you get the the subtleties of coaching and the adjustments in the second half. But by the Kansas City coaching staff, it's it's just great, not just for for this year and for the win, but for the long term future of the Chiefs. I had a concern when I heard about how great the Eagles defensive front was. I kept saying, they played with a lead against average quarterbacks. It's amazing. How good you look leading twenty eight to seven against Daniel Jones. I'm like, it's going to be different. This is not because the Kansas City Chiefs had sort of this year mastered the short passing game. So I thought. The one thing when the game was over is that the Eagles d line was a complete non factor to me, complete non fact. That to me is I mean, it's not being discussed. It's unbelievable. It's it. Probably the biggest stat line of the Super Bowl is the fact that that Philadelphia didn't have any sacks. That to me is amazing and compelling. Because the look Kansas City has improved on their offensive line. They did a good job in the running game, but both their tackles that have struggled, and they've struggled in the playoffs, and they've given up pressures, and you've got a quarterback that's that has limited mobility compared to where he normally is. So I don't know if if it's the greatest stat for the Kansas City Chiefs are the worst that for the Philadelphia Eagles. But I thought there was no chance that Kansas City could hold Philly to zero sacks. Yeah, um, let's talk about the holding. So my initial reaction is I don't like it. And then, like everything else, eventually you see multiple pieces of film tape and then I saw the grab out of the break and then I was like, oh kay, you can't out of the break. You can't do that. How do you view it? As a coach, there's always this this thought process of let him play in the big games, especially late in the big games, and to me that that's not fair. It benefits one side, but it doesn't benefit the other side. And it was a clear holding. He grabbed the jersey, you can't do that. It was a reaction that the problems that they had with those whip routes are in the game, and you gotta make that call. And I understand Philly fans are angry about it, and they may think that it's it's tik taking, But if he hadn't held him, who knows whether or not he would have been in position to catch that ball. You've got you've got to You've got to make the call if you feel that that it's there and strong enough. And when you watch it on tape, it looks strong enough that to make. Yeah. Now, Belichick's corners, as you well know, very handsy. But were there moments. I mean that's kind of like when I think of Belichick's defense, I just think grabbing, slap. They're always slapping, right, I mean that they sang the role after the first Super Bowl con because we beat up the RAM so badly. So, But did Bill have a feeling because the Eagle fan will say at least be consistent. Um, you know, like, for instance, Bill has a thing where he doesn't like you reaching for a first down unless it's fourth down? Right? Um? Would Bill say guys late in games beat Because I always felt Bill early in games DB's were slapping, pushing. What was Bill's feeling on that? Well, here's here's the saying, we're going to do business as business as being done. And so you go into a game and you've got to You've got a scouting report on the officials. You know what they like to call, what they don't like to call. You evaluate the cruise. It's a little bit different in the playoffs and the Super Bowl because the cruise are combined. But you you evaluate the people just like you evaluate players in terms of what their tendencies are. Then you go into the game, you see whether or not they're going to actually call to those tendencies or are are they going to let let them play? Are they going to let more aggressive jams with the line of scrimmage, other they gonna let more aggressive holding happen on the offensive line. And then as you as you see that, you adjust. If they're calling it tight, you pull back. If they're calling it loose, you ramp it up. But it was always a do business as business as being done. Um Jalen hurts Um. We talked about this. If you took the six or seven most difficult throws in the game, he may have had five of him. I thought Mahomes got much better special teams support run game. Support, and by the way, that's the more complete game win super Bowls. Did you change your perception or view of Jalen Hurts after that performance. I've really liked Jalen hurts maturity over the past year, and you and I have talked about it throughout the course of the season. His perspective on the success that he's had personally, his perspective on the team success, the fact that he was staying the moment. He's a he's a mobile quarterback who's continually evolving as a passer, which is what you look for because oftentimes you know guys just to fault back to what they do best and don't develop that that other skill set. So I love I love all those things about him, and I think he's going to continue to grow what I didn't love yesterday. As good as they were on third and fourth down, remember right before the fumble that the third and one delay a game which gets into third and six. Otherwise they're probably gonna just quarterback sneak that and get that, and that's that's huge in the game. And then later in the game there's a i think a third nine where they had to delay a game and there were there were issues on third down, you know, those types of things that you know you could you could chalk it up to the moment, but those things I'd love to see him be able to move past sooner rather than later. Well, we know it's not just number of championships, because Bill Russell has eleven and Jordan has six. We felt that jordan artistic flair, his greatness on offense elevated him above Russell. Nobody would dispute Brady's the goat. But in terms of the ability to do many things that Tom couldn't do, Mahomes can. You could argue Mahomes can do anything Tom can do. Tom can't do a lot what Mahomes can do. And I did think watching that second half, you know, I goat conversation that's for guys like me, not coaches like you, but the way the game is working, Like, I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like Mahomes. In fact, I know I haven't everything he can do, have you. It's it's he combines a lot of things a lot of great quarterbacks can do. He's got the ability to extend plays where broken plays become big plays. He's able to actually run the ball effectively, and then you know whether it's whether it's scrambling for a first down or even some of these these RPOs, which which is a newer thing to the league. But he's also an incredibly accurate passer, which which is the trademark of a lot of guys we talked about whether it's Manning or Brady or Breeze or guys like that, so that the combination of it, to me, puts them in that in that discussion. But what I really love about his growth Colin is he got the big contract that had to transition to younger players, and he's a forced multiplier. He's making players around him better, and that to me is the trademark of greatness. And then you see him play in the playoffs injured with a high ankle's friend that usually takes five weeks. That's really impressive too. Yeah, pain tolerance is a It counts like there's a lot of great players who didn't play. I've heard that from players before. Jason Taylor, Joy's brother played hurt for a big chunk of his last five years and you would have never known it, and he was hurt all the time, and it's inspiring. It's it has an effect on the locker room. When you see your best player fight through an injury like that and play at the level that he has, it has a powerful impact on the rest of the locker room and the way that they approach injuries, the way that they approach sacrifices for the team. It's it's meaningful in a different type of way. Andy Reid, how long does he coach? That is? That is a great question. You know, I didn't think there's any chance that he would retire until he saw talking about it a little bit. But you know this week where he said he had to make a big decision. Look, I don't know many head coaches that have hobbies. I know Andy has a great house on the West Coast. That's that's beautiful, and I know he loves spending time with his family, But it's not like he's probably developed a lot of outside interest besides coaching. And he's got a great quarterback, he's got a bunch of draft picks, he's got a really good salary cap situation, and an opportunity to win for a long time. It's it's got to be it's got to be a really fun fulfilling time for him. Right now, and I hope he coaches for quite a few more years. Yeah, I mean, you know this, Belichick had Craft, he had Brady, he had Dante, Scarnekia. He usually had good caps situations. I was talking to somebody I know the other day, not the name drop that knew Oprah, and Oprah gave this person advice years ago. If you talk for a living us keep talking until they won't let you talk. And I feel like, if you have Mahomes for a living, you just keep coaching until you're told you can no longer coach Mahomes. You just can't give that up. Yeah, that's that's the equivalent of like a golden microphone for an announcer. Get the best situation going, Eric Manginie, the coach. Great seeing you. What a wonderful sunday except for one small city on the East coast. Eric, thank you so much. Thanks, Kyle, talk to you soon. Yeah, we know, Philadelphia. You're a big city and it hurts uh. I do worry a little bit about Lane Johnson and Jason Kelsey retiring. I do think that's a real thing. Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham and the other side. No, So I mean listen. It is. By the way, they still have excellent receivers. Um, I mean the team's excellent, but center, right tackle, interior defensive lineman, there's Howie Howie Roseman. Now, if you pay Jalen Hurts, this is the real test. Jared Goff got to a super Bowl, then they paid him, and then you don't have that second great corner and that second great pass rusher and that second great tight end. So Philadelphia is going to have a more complex offseason than Kansas City. Kansas City had multiple rookies all over the place. So they that Kansas City just rebuilt their old line. That set their secondary set. They got cap space. I'll throw one random one at you. The Eagles have the tenth pick in the draft via New Orleans. My mock draft is up on Fox sports dot com today. I had them going cornerback. Bradbury had a bit of a tough game. Oh, I wouldn't do that. I would go to the old line, you would go. I would trade down and go old lineman. I would the second round's gonna have a couple of centers. I know it's not sexy, but Kelsey is so good. Yeah, I mean, if you don't think center matters. Go look at Kansas City's rebuild Creed Humphrey. They went and got a center. I think end of the first round. The big concern in this game was, oh, second round. My bad, it was a second round. The big concern was, oh, Jordan Davis, Fletcher Cox, no sacks, left tackles. The most important I'd argue second is center. They call the audibles. You had the two best centers in the NFL playing yesterday, and I remember when Lane Johnson went down this season and in previous seasons. Their record is bad. Now they also have the thirty first pick. I had them going edge rusher. I don't know if you would go, you would go, oh, line, probably they you do need. I know the pass rush was awesome, but it was invisible in the Super Bowl. Well I think it's the only line of Kansas City. Or is it that they feasted on bad teams? Combination as is everything. I mean, Mahomes barely had the ball and scored thirty eight points. Now, now one of them was a defensive touchdown. There was a punt return, but that's part of football. A five yard drive, Yeah, but Trevor Lawrence, Jared goff Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes and Dak once averaged almost thirty four points a game against Philadelphia. As such, I had them going two defensive players in the first round. I think you have to listen. You're not in that shape. If you go a Super Bowl nearly win and you get two first round verse three picks, you gotta give me a center. You gotta get me a center, because I think Kelsey is a go either way, a retirement guy. You can use that center at guard for a year, then you move. It does have that burgeoning podcast business that you and I know something very funny. One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Endless hot water, easy on the environment. Got a tankless made simple dot Com Navan tankless water heaters. J Mac looking forward to this with the news. No, no heard on the news. This is the Herd line news. Looking forward to just this one or all of them. Well, you do such a terrific job, but this one. I feel like today I need some some stuff. You you give us stuff we haven't talked about yet some kind of interest. We have a topic coming up that yeah. Anyways, all right, So the Chiefs won their second Super Bowl in four years. Obviously impressive, one of the more dominant teams in the league since Patrick Mahomes became the starter. But he's not ready to call it a dynasty yet. This is interesting. After the win, Mahomes said, I'm not gonna say dynasty yet, but we're not done. So five straight AFC championship games, Yeah, three trips to the super Bowl, two super Bowl wins in a five year window. That has to be a dynasty. Yeah, it feels like it. The win feels like it to me. You know, we've talked last week if you're one in two and he had had seven bad quarters and eight super Bowls, and now think about how small and irrelevant those moments feel like. These legacy moments are really important, even for BacT Rick Mahomes. I mean, Eli Mann, He's a five hundred quarterbacks. He'll make the Hall of Fame. So by playing this great on a bad ankle makes that Super Bowl Tampa thing feel like an outlier where he simply didn't have tackles. There's something about Mahomes in the fourth quarter in the Super Bowl San Francisco, down by ten with like eight minutes left, and Mahomes leads him to the comeback and now here down double digits at halftime. I saw crazy stat before this game. If you trailed by double digits at halftime, you were one. In twenty six in the Super Bowl, the one was, of course, the Pagets against the Falcons, and the history of the league, Brady included. The greatest quarterback playing from a big deficit ever is, without question Mahomes. In fact, that's the difference between him and somebody that's gifted like Aaron Rodgers. Aaron has always felt really great when comfortable. Not really a foxhole guy. Don't try. Aaron has far fewer come from behind wins. Then you think somebody as great as him would. I've always felt like the body language for Aaron changes when the team is struggling, whereas in Andrew Luck or a Mahomes. I don't know what the score is, Mahomes is easy the greatest quarterback trailing big and second half in league history. And I think part of it is nothing changes about it, his body language, his aggressiveness. He doesn't you can tell. But like he and Andrew Lucke and Trevor Lawrence is like this. They do not care about stats. They don't They're not protecting a legacy. They don't care. Remember how bad Trevor Lawrence was against the Chargers and in the first half he was off literally like the half didn't exist. Mahomes is able to just forget bad series, forget bad play. It doesn't stick to him. Yeah, and he and I have talked about this off fair the ability to have grit and resolves and overcome, you know, in tough spots. I coach my son in sixth grade basketball, and when a kid makes a mistake, I'm like, I don't care that you made a mistake. I want to see how you respond to that mistake. Try come down, keep playing defense. By the way, where the best team in the league everybody's talking about. Yes, next up. Sean Payton is tasked with trying to get Russell Wilson back to playing like the superstar we saw in Seattle. Former NFL receiver Emmanuel Sanders where he was hanging out with Sean Payton in New Orleans and thinks Peyton and Russ they'll be a good match. There's what Emmanuel Sanders said. Me being in the huddle with the Saints, I always felt like he was one or two plays ahead of the defensive coordinator. Where I've been in other huddles where the OC is one or two plays behind the DC, it's hard to figure out. Sean and he has Russell Wilson as his QB playmakers like Tim Patrick, Cortland, Sutton, Jerry Judy. It's gonna be fun. I think Russell Wilson is going to be the comeback player of the year even though he didn't get hurt. He's gonna be one of those kinds of players. Well, we know that Peyton and Russell is gonna work. We just don't know the level of it. We know that there it's gonna They're gonna be successful. They're not gonna be a six win team. I mean, how many games they win last year, four or five and they were awful and they still got four or five wins. Now you go from a coordinator who's not a head coach to a top two or three offensive coach or coach period in the league. The Saints are gonna work or the Broncos are gonna work and be much better. It's just the level of better, you know. I mean, it's it's amazing when you have a good staff, like, for instance, Kansas City. How good were all those rookies, the running back, the corners. Good coaches make young, inexperienced players older fast because the systems work and the culture is easier to fit in, So they'll go hit on some draft picks. If you go look at the history of great offensive coaches, there's probably some data points, some stat they make younger, newer players work faster. Like when you watch that red zone stuff for the for the Chiefs yesterday, you think that you're getting at with a defensive head coach that kind of level of clever. You know they're going to be a smarter, more clever football team. Yeah, I can't wait. All right, final story, This is interesting. I hadn't I didn't even notice this. Lebron was at the Super Bowl last night, Colin, Yeah, having fun. Here he is with his wife hanging out Savannah beautiful. Yes, yes, it looks like they're having a good time. Yeah. Oh, by the way, I forgot. Lebron has missed the last two Laker games with an ankle injury. Yeahs supposed to be worse than people think, supposed to be a bad injury. Oh yeah, it looked terrible when he was cooking the thunder for thirty eight and setting the record. What's going on? He got it got hurt after them? Is he laying low after the Russell Westbrook detonation? What's going on? I mean, not playing and then going to the Super Bowl. I know he still correlation. I'm not bagging on Lebron. Let me ask you this. So it is a fifty minute flight from LA to Phoenix. He has his own gold Stream, so does rehab in the morning like her facility. Literally gets on, goes to Phoenix, goes to the game, flew home. Was in bed last night at ten forty five. I can't get worked up over there. I don't know that he in bed that early. That being said, they were in Portland tonight. We don't know if Lebron's gonna play. Oh, by the way, I probably should mention the Lakers remain thirteenth in the West. Well they just it's just got the new players a couple days ago. What are you? Time is running out for the Lakers. Let's come out. Did you see Saturday night? No or a D played awful, especially in the first half. No, Lebron West, Cook's gone and they beat the Warriors. Steph Curry didn't play well. Some Wiggins did, Clay did, Draded Looney did Pool. Steve Kirk coached. But you didn't think that was kind of impressive. But the Lakers a little bit. I thought it was one of the way. I thought the win at Milwaukee was the win of the year. I thought that was the second best win of the year. He did happen? Anthony Davis literally no showed in the first half. Yeah, like two or four points. Lebron is not playing and a D is no showing in big spots. What do you ins I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs, dude, this is not look good. Imagine if like Portland or Utah makes the playoffs and Lebron doesn't. How about Utah? What what's going on there? Marketing? This is all right, I've said enough. I need to let it bake materialize a little more. It just something doesn't feel good about the Lakers right now. All right, But if you you know that Lebron didn't have to go to lax Wade in line fly Southwest, the take off his shoes. Lebron, it was probably at the Lakers getting rehab. I mean, I would I would bet you at nine in the morning. Now, now, maybe he flew into Arizona at night to go to a party with all the cool people. I mean, I'm not saying that's not possible, but I'm saying all these superstars that go to events, they golf stream it, they're in, they go, they're out. I mean, now, maybe Lebron showed up Saturday night for a Drake party. Totally. What if he doesn't play tonight in Portland, Now he shouldn't. He's got a bad guy, he got a bad ankle. They're nothing wrong with watching a game. That's different than playing a game. Watching a game sitting up stairs, no big deal. If he doesn't played at night in Portland, well, well why he's hurt Lebron. You're thirteenth places. There's like twenty five? Are they in ninth after he goes to the game or fifteen? That doesn't change. They need one of the greatest players in the league it to suit up on Sunday. They needed him yesterday, they had a great design. No, they need him tonight. Well, he'll be on the team. Fly. They'll be up there, up Bill Fly. I am a Lebron fan. I know there's people Lakers fans are gonna be ticked off at me that. I'm just I don't think it's anything. Do you want the Lakers in the playoffs? Yes? Or no? I don't care. Stop it. I don't care. We need the content. I want the Bus, the Celtics, the Warriors in the playoffs because I think those are the three we need. I would say I want the Suns in the playoffs. I think k D I think that's a great story. I don't think the Lakers are as captivating. I think this. I think kay d n not as captivating. I've seen him in the playoffs. It's called the last twenty years. I want to see Katie and the Sun's in. That's that's fun. That's brand new. I think I'm gonna have to start rooting for the Mavericks. I'm all in on Dallas, Good, Kyrie Irving, let's go all right, Jay Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping the Herd Line news. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in newon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. All right, this is Jay Glazer. And you may know me for the world of football or fighting or even shows like HBO's Ballers. Well you don't know is for my entire life. I have lived in something I refer to as the gray depression anxiety. So now I'm coming out with a new podcast, Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer, where each week, while we talk about mental health, I hope to describe it, give it words. Listen to Unbreakable with Jay Glazer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back credit where credit is due. So you know, we talk about offense and we talk about defense. Sean Payton and this is the thing about the NFL. The coaching is superb. In the NFL. It's averaging college. It can take teams in college a month to cover up a flaw. In the NFL, you'll see teams make adjustments in game in a half to solve problems. So in the NFL you don't have to be great everywhere. Last year, the Bengals own line wasn't very good. Their linebackers were averaged. The Rams safety linebackers weren't good ended up in the Super Bowl. You don't have to be great everywhere. You can't be bad anywhere or people will attack it. The coaching is just way too good in the NFL. And the worst part for either team in this game was the Eagles special teams that were tied for the third worst in the league. So of all the units, Philadelphia had more top units, the worst unit was special teams. Sean Payton talked about it five hours pre game. We've talked about the offense and defense of both teams. The Eagles, we all feel like have a little bit more balanced, better overall team. They've got one Achilles heel and it's a big one. Their kicking game is entirely, entirely behind where the Chiefs are. Okay, and what happened in the game, And my notes which I take for every Super Bowl I had, I had a couple of circled plays where I said wow, and number two was the punt return. So look, as I show the television audience here, look at the wall being set up. Watch this wall. It's a nine person wall. So they and I think you saw this with the Eagles defense because they played so many bad quarterbacks. They feasted on average, so it was it was a defense and special teams. There's eight Eagles on one side of the field, the kickers the only guy left, so that is something they probably saw them as a team that over pursued in the red zone, got burned twice, over pursued in special teams and got burned. And again, Philadelphia is a hyper aggressive team and it is a hell of a move by Tony. Look how many Eagles there are. They're like nine guys ten right around the football. So that's just overpursuit. That's what good coaching does. And let's go to the red zone plays again. You have a Philadelphia defense and they feasted on average quarterbacks. So when you're leading in all your games at half and you're facing bad quarterbacks, you get into habits. You know. It's like if you're a boxer and you knock out the first ten eleven guys you face, you can get a little sloppy until somebody also has an equal punch. So in those red zone plays, it was a hyper athletic defense over committing, getting sloppy, and the chief yeves coaches took advantage of it. So Andy Reid and his staff won the day. Sereani's offensive game plan was excellent, but you can't have guys opened by ten fifteen yards in the red zone. That's getting worked. That is getting work. Your special teams got worked, and Sean Payton called it out the second thing, so he can't be bad anywhere. Eagles special teams were bad, maybe below some of the worst teams in the league, well below some of the worst teams in the league on special teams. The other thing is, I understand that we love our quarterbacks and we love our wide receivers, I get it. But the single most undervalued unit in this sport, and it's not close as offensive line. So why did the Bengals lose last week in the Kansas City Their offensive line? Why did the Bengals lose last year's Super Bowl to the Rams, I would argue was their offensive line. Why did Patrick Mahomes once have a terrible Super Bowl his offensive line? Why did Patrick Mahomes yesterday have his greatest Super Bowl? His offensive line? No sacks, unbelievable run game. Kansas City averaged six point one yards a rush, And I understand we don't want to talk about guards. But I don't think it's a coincidence that the two best centers in the NFL were in that game. Those old lines were exceptional at the starting point, right in the middle of the foot, closer to the football, and we just don't talk about it. I get it. Ask yourself this. We know Sean McBay is a great coach, right, nobody denies that this was his worst year coaching. Why offensive line? This stuff's not hard to figure out. You gotta get that part. One of the best offensive lines in football. It's not a good team, it's a bad team in a lot of areas. Is Detroit have a great offensive line? Dak Prescott's best year thirteen and three when he had his best offensive line. Pittsburgh does so many things, Well, what's the unit? They can't figure out? Offensive line missed the playoffs. So I think yesterday is a prime example of and Eric Mangini stended earlier Eagles had no sacks. They beat up on bad offensive lines with a New York Giants. There's a lot of bad old lines in the NFC, and they beat up on him. And so you go into this game with this overvalued eagle defensive front. And I said it last week. Does everybody understand the best center in football could be the Chiefs. The best guard Joe Tuny in football could be the Chiefs. More than competent tackles, tight ends that can block. Kelsey's not one of them, but multiple tight ends that can block. They chip blocked. To me, it decided the game. All right. We got a lot of stuff. Greg Jetting stops by a final hour. I know it. It's been hard for j Mac. It's been very difficult. He was on the eagle side. And here's the way I look at it again. It was a phenomenal game. It was not hard at all. The props went pretty good, small profit. I'm just turning my attention to the offseason and the Jets quarterback search. Good luck without on a Monday hour three next

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We all kind of snooze through August and then we're ready to go again. It's great to have you in J Mack. I know it was painful. I know that call got you worked up, but you have to admit that was one of the great Super Bowls ever, certainly amazing game. You just you don't like it to end that way. Eagles don't have a chance. I would have loved to have seen Jalen Hurts work his magic going the length of the field. Dylan Hurts, I'm still in awe of that performance. That was some spectacular stuff. We agree. Now he's in the running strongly for number six in the league. Yeah, like this, And I said to you, by the way, dak or Jalen Hurts, Okay, I'm the same way. You and I are the same. But that is not a majority opinion. I don't think it's close. I think Jalen's much better. Now. We'll see what happens to the Eagles in the offseason. Remember, a lot of their guys in the trenches are getting up there in age. Elaine, Johnson and Kelsey could retire they had they were very healthy this season. If that's not duplicated next year, how we'll Hurts perform behind like average offensive line? We'll see, all right, Colin right, Colin wrong, plenty of both on a Monday and here we go. Where Colin was right. Well, not only did I pick Kansas City, but I felt the Chief's offensive line was the most underrated unit in the entire game. They didn't allow a sack, ran the ball much better than the vaunted OH line of the Eagles six point one yard to carry. This offensive line for the Chiefs never got any respect. There's always a unit or a player in a Super Bowl that is overshadowed or overlooked and shocks us all. The KSEYO line was absolutely fantastic and outplayed to me the Eagles OH line where Colin was rang. I was concerned about Jalen Hurts running too much. I thought they'd sort of hide him in the first half, maybe running the second wrong oh. I also was concerned about his deep ball wrong Oh. He was fanta hastick. They were hyper aggressive running him. He's not one hundred percent. I thought he had nice touch. I didn't like the way he looked against the Niners, but they obviously felt strong. They went deep early, they ran him early, and great game planned by Nick Seriani. Where Colin was right. When Tyreek Hill left, I said, the Chiefs offense will be just fine. They'll go to the short pass they'll be just as productive. They'll just score differently. Well, that's exactly what happened. They became the best short passing team in the NFL. They don't score quite as quickly, they don't have that lightning on the outside. But Juju Smith Schuster played very well yesterday. Travis Kelsey the run game. We never ever thought the media's overreaction to that equaled reality. Andy Reiden Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, good old line are gonna score. It's just gonna look differently, and it did. Where Colin was raw one more time. Nick Sirianni I thought had a very very good offensive game plan. He butchered his opening press conference, and to his credit, as Tom Rinaldi detailed, he knew it was bad, and so he repeatedly showed his team how much better he could get with the media. And by the way, his Super Bowl press conference, he was great. Sirianni was a young guy. I didn't know much about him. He wasn't on a lot of lists, and then you give him the Philadelphia Eagle job. That is a big boy job with a big boy media and fan base, and he has absolutely crushed it. Where Colin was right. You know, everybody talked about depth, and I said, when teams are evenly matched, just give me the coach and the quarterback and the weapon Mahomes, Andy Reid the reason they won. That's it. Yes the Eagles had more talent, Yes they had depth, Yes they had over significance in the units. But when you go to the NBA Finals, and when you go to the NFL playoffs or the Super Bowl. Go to last year's Super Bowl, it was Cooper cup Stafford had the biggest pass, Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey. Depth is overrated in the very biggest of games. You're just gonna let guys, your stars take over. And I thought the difference was Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, not depth, where Colin was raw Derek Carr. I thought there'd be a bidding war, and maybe they're still will be. But he's gonna get cut by the Raiders. Now, I think you can make an argument it's the smartest thing to do because the team that then acquires him will not have to give up draft capital, the opposite of the Carmelo Anthony to the Nick steal. So he's just saying, Nope, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm not gonna give up my veto power. I'm gonna control where I go and the team that gets him. As Jamack pointed out accurately earlier, we'll get a compensatory pick, but I figured there would be. I mean, I don't know what the Jets are going to do at quarterback. The entire NFC South, What are they going to do at quarterback? There should be four teams bidden on him now, Tampa, Carolina, Atlanta. Where Colin was right. I said, one of the things I like about mobile quarterbacks like Jalen Hurts is as they try to refine their games, mobility gives them the time to do it. Same with Russell Wilson. And what you saw with Jalen Hurts backs up my argument. He completed fifty two percent as a rookie, sixty one percent next year, sixty six percent year three, and seventy one percent of the Super Bowl. Is that I like to draft quarterbacks who can move, because even Mahomes admitted it took him until year three to really the light to turn on and to be able to read defenses at a high level. Mobility matters unless you're this rare sort of kid that just walks out of off the white board, you know, in college, and can literally figure out defenses. Jalen Hurtz has slowly refined his game, and as a friend who I trust deeply said yesterday, who worked in the NFL at one time, he's starting to play like Russell Wilson, but maybe even a better runner. It's taken him some time, but now he's totally comfortable in the pocket. Where Colin was right, The Brooklyn Nets finally unraveled completely. Listen. It was too much diva, too much ego, too much me. I know they were fun, they were a great story, and I understand the attention everybody paid to them. Kyrie hardened, KD eventually Simmons. But chemistry matters. The Nets, before all the stars got there, were known as a deep team without stars but great chemistry. They blew it all up. They put a rookie coach in control of massive stars and it completely unraveled. They don't have the chemist read the depth or the culture of Milwaukee or Boston or Golden State. And I don't feel, and never did, they were a threat to win the championship, all right, Colin Wright, Colin wrong here, comes Eric Mangini, who's got three Super Bowl rings. You know, this was thrown out this morning that Belichick, if you faced a team wearing a white jersey, would have you wear white gloves. And by the way, when McVay lost to Belichick in a Super Bowl, he acknowledged that Bill knew a lot of tricks that in game, and I thought to myself, I could see Belichick going guys white gloves. So you were in three of these with Bill. We tend to look at stars, but when you have two weeks to prepare, Eric, there are a lot of little tricks, right, like red zone plays by Andy Reid that you can use. Yeah, I thought it was a great job of coaching by by Andy and the offensive staff, especially in the second half. And you saw it in the red zone. They did it twice, both for touchdowns. They motioned that the wide receiver and on that short motion they got the robot call by the DBS because they were comboing it. So the dB looks inside and then the wide receiver quickly comes back outside and there's no chance. There's no chance to get it. They do that on the Cadarius Tony play. They do it on the sky more play and then you come back. And even on the penalty, that was a motion back inside where the receiver whipped back out and they had the dB, they get the penalty. Those those two plays and two calls right there were huge and were great coaching nuances. Yeah. I also thought the punt return by Kansas City. I put it in my notes. I just said, that's the game. Now. It didn't end up being it because Jalen Hurts came back, But the Patriots were always so deft, so smart and alert on speci teams. Sean Payton, to his credit, said before the game, don't love Philly special teams? Was that always a fear for Belichick? Like this game is going to be decided by the unit nobody talks about. Yeah, and that's that's what I love so much about this this Super Bowl Colin for Kansas City. You've got a defensive touchdown, You've got a specialty at the longest punt return in Super Bowl history by a guy that they pick up in a trade. Yeah, and it's it's a complete team victory. And as opposed to just the magic of Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, which both were outstanding, but when you add a defensive score and a special team play like that that sets up a touchdown, you get the the subtleties of coaching and the adjustments in the second half. But by the Kansas City coaching staff, it's it's just great, not just for for this year and for the win, but for the long term future of the Chiefs. I had a concern when I heard about how great the Eagles defensive front was. I kept saying, they played with a lead against average quarterbacks. It's amazing. How good you look leading twenty eight to seven against Daniel Jones. I'm like, it's going to be different. This is not because the Kansas City Chiefs had sort of this year mastered the short passing game. So I thought. The one thing when the game was over is that the Eagles d line was a complete non factor to me, complete non fact. That to me is I mean, it's not being discussed. It's unbelievable. It's it. Probably the biggest stat line of the Super Bowl is the fact that that Philadelphia didn't have any sacks. That to me is amazing and compelling. Because the look Kansas City has improved on their offensive line. They did a good job in the running game, but both their tackles that have struggled, and they've struggled in the playoffs, and they've given up pressures, and you've got a quarterback that's that has limited mobility compared to where he normally is. So I don't know if if it's the greatest stat for the Kansas City Chiefs are the worst that for the Philadelphia Eagles. But I thought there was no chance that Kansas City could hold Philly to zero sacks. Yeah, um, let's talk about the holding. So my initial reaction is I don't like it. And then, like everything else, eventually you see multiple pieces of film tape and then I saw the grab out of the break and then I was like, oh kay, you can't out of the break. You can't do that. How do you view it? As a coach, there's always this this thought process of let him play in the big games, especially late in the big games, and to me that that's not fair. It benefits one side, but it doesn't benefit the other side. And it was a clear holding. He grabbed the jersey, you can't do that. It was a reaction that the problems that they had with those whip routes are in the game, and you gotta make that call. And I understand Philly fans are angry about it, and they may think that it's it's tik taking, But if he hadn't held him, who knows whether or not he would have been in position to catch that ball. You've got you've got to You've got to make the call if you feel that that it's there and strong enough. And when you watch it on tape, it looks strong enough that to make. Yeah. Now, Belichick's corners, as you well know, very handsy. But were there moments. I mean that's kind of like when I think of Belichick's defense, I just think grabbing, slap. They're always slapping, right, I mean that they sang the role after the first Super Bowl con because we beat up the RAM so badly. So, But did Bill have a feeling because the Eagle fan will say at least be consistent. Um, you know, like, for instance, Bill has a thing where he doesn't like you reaching for a first down unless it's fourth down? Right? Um? Would Bill say guys late in games beat Because I always felt Bill early in games DB's were slapping, pushing. What was Bill's feeling on that? Well, here's here's the saying, we're going to do business as business as being done. And so you go into a game and you've got to You've got a scouting report on the officials. You know what they like to call, what they don't like to call. You evaluate the cruise. It's a little bit different in the playoffs and the Super Bowl because the cruise are combined. But you you evaluate the people just like you evaluate players in terms of what their tendencies are. Then you go into the game, you see whether or not they're going to actually call to those tendencies or are are they going to let let them play? Are they going to let more aggressive jams with the line of scrimmage, other they gonna let more aggressive holding happen on the offensive line. And then as you as you see that, you adjust. If they're calling it tight, you pull back. If they're calling it loose, you ramp it up. But it was always a do business as business as being done. Um Jalen hurts Um. We talked about this. If you took the six or seven most difficult throws in the game, he may have had five of him. I thought Mahomes got much better special teams support run game. Support, and by the way, that's the more complete game win super Bowls. Did you change your perception or view of Jalen Hurts after that performance. I've really liked Jalen hurts maturity over the past year, and you and I have talked about it throughout the course of the season. His perspective on the success that he's had personally, his perspective on the team success, the fact that he was staying the moment. He's a he's a mobile quarterback who's continually evolving as a passer, which is what you look for because oftentimes you know guys just to fault back to what they do best and don't develop that that other skill set. So I love I love all those things about him, and I think he's going to continue to grow what I didn't love yesterday. As good as they were on third and fourth down, remember right before the fumble that the third and one delay a game which gets into third and six. Otherwise they're probably gonna just quarterback sneak that and get that, and that's that's huge in the game. And then later in the game there's a i think a third nine where they had to delay a game and there were there were issues on third down, you know, those types of things that you know you could you could chalk it up to the moment, but those things I'd love to see him be able to move past sooner rather than later. Well, we know it's not just number of championships, because Bill Russell has eleven and Jordan has six. We felt that jordan artistic flair, his greatness on offense elevated him above Russell. Nobody would dispute Brady's the goat. But in terms of the ability to do many things that Tom couldn't do, Mahomes can. You could argue Mahomes can do anything Tom can do. Tom can't do a lot what Mahomes can do. And I did think watching that second half, you know, I goat conversation that's for guys like me, not coaches like you, but the way the game is working, Like, I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like Mahomes. In fact, I know I haven't everything he can do, have you. It's it's he combines a lot of things a lot of great quarterbacks can do. He's got the ability to extend plays where broken plays become big plays. He's able to actually run the ball effectively, and then you know whether it's whether it's scrambling for a first down or even some of these these RPOs, which which is a newer thing to the league. But he's also an incredibly accurate passer, which which is the trademark of a lot of guys we talked about whether it's Manning or Brady or Breeze or guys like that, so that the combination of it, to me, puts them in that in that discussion. But what I really love about his growth Colin is he got the big contract that had to transition to younger players, and he's a forced multiplier. He's making players around him better, and that to me is the trademark of greatness. And then you see him play in the playoffs injured with a high ankle's friend that usually takes five weeks. That's really impressive too. Yeah, pain tolerance is a It counts like there's a lot of great players who didn't play. I've heard that from players before. Jason Taylor, Joy's brother played hurt for a big chunk of his last five years and you would have never known it, and he was hurt all the time, and it's inspiring. It's it has an effect on the locker room. When you see your best player fight through an injury like that and play at the level that he has, it has a powerful impact on the rest of the locker room and the way that they approach injuries, the way that they approach sacrifices for the team. It's it's meaningful in a different type of way. Andy Reid, how long does he coach? That is? That is a great question. You know, I didn't think there's any chance that he would retire until he saw talking about it a little bit. But you know this week where he said he had to make a big decision. Look, I don't know many head coaches that have hobbies. I know Andy has a great house on the West Coast. That's that's beautiful, and I know he loves spending time with his family, But it's not like he's probably developed a lot of outside interest besides coaching. And he's got a great quarterback, he's got a bunch of draft picks, he's got a really good salary cap situation, and an opportunity to win for a long time. It's it's got to be it's got to be a really fun fulfilling time for him. Right now, and I hope he coaches for quite a few more years. Yeah, I mean, you know this, Belichick had Craft, he had Brady, he had Dante, Scarnekia. He usually had good caps situations. I was talking to somebody I know the other day, not the name drop that knew Oprah, and Oprah gave this person advice years ago. If you talk for a living us keep talking until they won't let you talk. And I feel like, if you have Mahomes for a living, you just keep coaching until you're told you can no longer coach Mahomes. You just can't give that up. Yeah, that's that's the equivalent of like a golden microphone for an announcer. Get the best situation going, Eric Manginie, the coach. Great seeing you. What a wonderful sunday except for one small city on the East coast. Eric, thank you so much. Thanks, Kyle, talk to you soon. Yeah, we know, Philadelphia. You're a big city and it hurts uh. I do worry a little bit about Lane Johnson and Jason Kelsey retiring. I do think that's a real thing. Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham and the other side. No, So I mean listen. It is. By the way, they still have excellent receivers. Um, I mean the team's excellent, but center, right tackle, interior defensive lineman, there's Howie Howie Roseman. Now, if you pay Jalen Hurts, this is the real test. Jared Goff got to a super Bowl, then they paid him, and then you don't have that second great corner and that second great pass rusher and that second great tight end. So Philadelphia is going to have a more complex offseason than Kansas City. Kansas City had multiple rookies all over the place. So they that Kansas City just rebuilt their old line. That set their secondary set. They got cap space. I'll throw one random one at you. The Eagles have the tenth pick in the draft via New Orleans. My mock draft is up on Fox sports dot com today. I had them going cornerback. Bradbury had a bit of a tough game. Oh, I wouldn't do that. I would go to the old line, you would go. I would trade down and go old lineman. I would the second round's gonna have a couple of centers. I know it's not sexy, but Kelsey is so good. Yeah, I mean, if you don't think center matters. Go look at Kansas City's rebuild Creed Humphrey. They went and got a center. I think end of the first round. The big concern in this game was, oh, second round. My bad, it was a second round. The big concern was, oh, Jordan Davis, Fletcher Cox, no sacks, left tackles. The most important I'd argue second is center. They call the audibles. You had the two best centers in the NFL playing yesterday, and I remember when Lane Johnson went down this season and in previous seasons. Their record is bad. Now they also have the thirty first pick. I had them going edge rusher. I don't know if you would go, you would go, oh, line, probably they you do need. I know the pass rush was awesome, but it was invisible in the Super Bowl. Well I think it's the only line of Kansas City. Or is it that they feasted on bad teams? Combination as is everything. I mean, Mahomes barely had the ball and scored thirty eight points. Now, now one of them was a defensive touchdown. There was a punt return, but that's part of football. A five yard drive, Yeah, but Trevor Lawrence, Jared goff Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes and Dak once averaged almost thirty four points a game against Philadelphia. As such, I had them going two defensive players in the first round. I think you have to listen. You're not in that shape. If you go a Super Bowl nearly win and you get two first round verse three picks, you gotta give me a center. You gotta get me a center, because I think Kelsey is a go either way, a retirement guy. You can use that center at guard for a year, then you move. It does have that burgeoning podcast business that you and I know something very funny. One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Endless hot water, easy on the environment. Got a tankless made simple dot Com Navan tankless water heaters. J Mac looking forward to this with the news. No, no heard on the news. This is the Herd line news. Looking forward to just this one or all of them. Well, you do such a terrific job, but this one. I feel like today I need some some stuff. You you give us stuff we haven't talked about yet some kind of interest. We have a topic coming up that yeah. Anyways, all right, So the Chiefs won their second Super Bowl in four years. Obviously impressive, one of the more dominant teams in the league since Patrick Mahomes became the starter. But he's not ready to call it a dynasty yet. This is interesting. After the win, Mahomes said, I'm not gonna say dynasty yet, but we're not done. So five straight AFC championship games, Yeah, three trips to the super Bowl, two super Bowl wins in a five year window. That has to be a dynasty. Yeah, it feels like it. The win feels like it to me. You know, we've talked last week if you're one in two and he had had seven bad quarters and eight super Bowls, and now think about how small and irrelevant those moments feel like. These legacy moments are really important, even for BacT Rick Mahomes. I mean, Eli Mann, He's a five hundred quarterbacks. He'll make the Hall of Fame. So by playing this great on a bad ankle makes that Super Bowl Tampa thing feel like an outlier where he simply didn't have tackles. There's something about Mahomes in the fourth quarter in the Super Bowl San Francisco, down by ten with like eight minutes left, and Mahomes leads him to the comeback and now here down double digits at halftime. I saw crazy stat before this game. If you trailed by double digits at halftime, you were one. In twenty six in the Super Bowl, the one was, of course, the Pagets against the Falcons, and the history of the league, Brady included. The greatest quarterback playing from a big deficit ever is, without question Mahomes. In fact, that's the difference between him and somebody that's gifted like Aaron Rodgers. Aaron has always felt really great when comfortable. Not really a foxhole guy. Don't try. Aaron has far fewer come from behind wins. Then you think somebody as great as him would. I've always felt like the body language for Aaron changes when the team is struggling, whereas in Andrew Luck or a Mahomes. I don't know what the score is, Mahomes is easy the greatest quarterback trailing big and second half in league history. And I think part of it is nothing changes about it, his body language, his aggressiveness. He doesn't you can tell. But like he and Andrew Lucke and Trevor Lawrence is like this. They do not care about stats. They don't They're not protecting a legacy. They don't care. Remember how bad Trevor Lawrence was against the Chargers and in the first half he was off literally like the half didn't exist. Mahomes is able to just forget bad series, forget bad play. It doesn't stick to him. Yeah, and he and I have talked about this off fair the ability to have grit and resolves and overcome, you know, in tough spots. I coach my son in sixth grade basketball, and when a kid makes a mistake, I'm like, I don't care that you made a mistake. I want to see how you respond to that mistake. Try come down, keep playing defense. By the way, where the best team in the league everybody's talking about. Yes, next up. Sean Payton is tasked with trying to get Russell Wilson back to playing like the superstar we saw in Seattle. Former NFL receiver Emmanuel Sanders where he was hanging out with Sean Payton in New Orleans and thinks Peyton and Russ they'll be a good match. There's what Emmanuel Sanders said. Me being in the huddle with the Saints, I always felt like he was one or two plays ahead of the defensive coordinator. Where I've been in other huddles where the OC is one or two plays behind the DC, it's hard to figure out. Sean and he has Russell Wilson as his QB playmakers like Tim Patrick, Cortland, Sutton, Jerry Judy. It's gonna be fun. I think Russell Wilson is going to be the comeback player of the year even though he didn't get hurt. He's gonna be one of those kinds of players. Well, we know that Peyton and Russell is gonna work. We just don't know the level of it. We know that there it's gonna They're gonna be successful. They're not gonna be a six win team. I mean, how many games they win last year, four or five and they were awful and they still got four or five wins. Now you go from a coordinator who's not a head coach to a top two or three offensive coach or coach period in the league. The Saints are gonna work or the Broncos are gonna work and be much better. It's just the level of better, you know. I mean, it's it's amazing when you have a good staff, like, for instance, Kansas City. How good were all those rookies, the running back, the corners. Good coaches make young, inexperienced players older fast because the systems work and the culture is easier to fit in, So they'll go hit on some draft picks. If you go look at the history of great offensive coaches, there's probably some data points, some stat they make younger, newer players work faster. Like when you watch that red zone stuff for the for the Chiefs yesterday, you think that you're getting at with a defensive head coach that kind of level of clever. You know they're going to be a smarter, more clever football team. Yeah, I can't wait. All right, final story, This is interesting. I hadn't I didn't even notice this. Lebron was at the Super Bowl last night, Colin, Yeah, having fun. Here he is with his wife hanging out Savannah beautiful. Yes, yes, it looks like they're having a good time. Yeah. Oh, by the way, I forgot. Lebron has missed the last two Laker games with an ankle injury. Yeahs supposed to be worse than people think, supposed to be a bad injury. Oh yeah, it looked terrible when he was cooking the thunder for thirty eight and setting the record. What's going on? He got it got hurt after them? Is he laying low after the Russell Westbrook detonation? What's going on? I mean, not playing and then going to the Super Bowl. I know he still correlation. I'm not bagging on Lebron. Let me ask you this. So it is a fifty minute flight from LA to Phoenix. He has his own gold Stream, so does rehab in the morning like her facility. Literally gets on, goes to Phoenix, goes to the game, flew home. Was in bed last night at ten forty five. I can't get worked up over there. I don't know that he in bed that early. That being said, they were in Portland tonight. We don't know if Lebron's gonna play. Oh, by the way, I probably should mention the Lakers remain thirteenth in the West. Well they just it's just got the new players a couple days ago. What are you? Time is running out for the Lakers. Let's come out. Did you see Saturday night? No or a D played awful, especially in the first half. No, Lebron West, Cook's gone and they beat the Warriors. Steph Curry didn't play well. Some Wiggins did, Clay did, Draded Looney did Pool. Steve Kirk coached. But you didn't think that was kind of impressive. But the Lakers a little bit. I thought it was one of the way. I thought the win at Milwaukee was the win of the year. I thought that was the second best win of the year. He did happen? Anthony Davis literally no showed in the first half. Yeah, like two or four points. Lebron is not playing and a D is no showing in big spots. What do you ins I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs, dude, this is not look good. Imagine if like Portland or Utah makes the playoffs and Lebron doesn't. How about Utah? What what's going on there? Marketing? This is all right, I've said enough. I need to let it bake materialize a little more. It just something doesn't feel good about the Lakers right now. All right, But if you you know that Lebron didn't have to go to lax Wade in line fly Southwest, the take off his shoes. Lebron, it was probably at the Lakers getting rehab. I mean, I would I would bet you at nine in the morning. Now, now, maybe he flew into Arizona at night to go to a party with all the cool people. I mean, I'm not saying that's not possible, but I'm saying all these superstars that go to events, they golf stream it, they're in, they go, they're out. I mean, now, maybe Lebron showed up Saturday night for a Drake party. Totally. What if he doesn't play tonight in Portland, Now he shouldn't. He's got a bad guy, he got a bad ankle. They're nothing wrong with watching a game. That's different than playing a game. Watching a game sitting up stairs, no big deal. If he doesn't played at night in Portland, well, well why he's hurt Lebron. You're thirteenth places. There's like twenty five? Are they in ninth after he goes to the game or fifteen? That doesn't change. They need one of the greatest players in the league it to suit up on Sunday. They needed him yesterday, they had a great design. No, they need him tonight. Well, he'll be on the team. Fly. They'll be up there, up Bill Fly. I am a Lebron fan. I know there's people Lakers fans are gonna be ticked off at me that. I'm just I don't think it's anything. Do you want the Lakers in the playoffs? Yes? Or no? I don't care. Stop it. I don't care. We need the content. I want the Bus, the Celtics, the Warriors in the playoffs because I think those are the three we need. I would say I want the Suns in the playoffs. I think k D I think that's a great story. I don't think the Lakers are as captivating. I think this. I think kay d n not as captivating. I've seen him in the playoffs. It's called the last twenty years. I want to see Katie and the Sun's in. That's that's fun. That's brand new. I think I'm gonna have to start rooting for the Mavericks. I'm all in on Dallas, Good, Kyrie Irving, let's go all right, Jay Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping the Herd Line news. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in newon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. All right, this is Jay Glazer. And you may know me for the world of football or fighting or even shows like HBO's Ballers. Well you don't know is for my entire life. I have lived in something I refer to as the gray depression anxiety. So now I'm coming out with a new podcast, Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer, where each week, while we talk about mental health, I hope to describe it, give it words. Listen to Unbreakable with Jay Glazer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back credit where credit is due. So you know, we talk about offense and we talk about defense. Sean Payton and this is the thing about the NFL. The coaching is superb. In the NFL. It's averaging college. It can take teams in college a month to cover up a flaw. In the NFL, you'll see teams make adjustments in game in a half to solve problems. So in the NFL you don't have to be great everywhere. Last year, the Bengals own line wasn't very good. Their linebackers were averaged. The Rams safety linebackers weren't good ended up in the Super Bowl. You don't have to be great everywhere. You can't be bad anywhere or people will attack it. The coaching is just way too good in the NFL. And the worst part for either team in this game was the Eagles special teams that were tied for the third worst in the league. So of all the units, Philadelphia had more top units, the worst unit was special teams. Sean Payton talked about it five hours pre game. We've talked about the offense and defense of both teams. The Eagles, we all feel like have a little bit more balanced, better overall team. They've got one Achilles heel and it's a big one. Their kicking game is entirely, entirely behind where the Chiefs are. Okay, and what happened in the game, And my notes which I take for every Super Bowl I had, I had a couple of circled plays where I said wow, and number two was the punt return. So look, as I show the television audience here, look at the wall being set up. Watch this wall. It's a nine person wall. So they and I think you saw this with the Eagles defense because they played so many bad quarterbacks. They feasted on average, so it was it was a defense and special teams. There's eight Eagles on one side of the field, the kickers the only guy left, so that is something they probably saw them as a team that over pursued in the red zone, got burned twice, over pursued in special teams and got burned. And again, Philadelphia is a hyper aggressive team and it is a hell of a move by Tony. Look how many Eagles there are. They're like nine guys ten right around the football. So that's just overpursuit. That's what good coaching does. And let's go to the red zone plays again. You have a Philadelphia defense and they feasted on average quarterbacks. So when you're leading in all your games at half and you're facing bad quarterbacks, you get into habits. You know. It's like if you're a boxer and you knock out the first ten eleven guys you face, you can get a little sloppy until somebody also has an equal punch. So in those red zone plays, it was a hyper athletic defense over committing, getting sloppy, and the chief yeves coaches took advantage of it. So Andy Reid and his staff won the day. Sereani's offensive game plan was excellent, but you can't have guys opened by ten fifteen yards in the red zone. That's getting worked. That is getting work. Your special teams got worked, and Sean Payton called it out the second thing, so he can't be bad anywhere. Eagles special teams were bad, maybe below some of the worst teams in the league, well below some of the worst teams in the league on special teams. The other thing is, I understand that we love our quarterbacks and we love our wide receivers, I get it. But the single most undervalued unit in this sport, and it's not close as offensive line. So why did the Bengals lose last week in the Kansas City Their offensive line? Why did the Bengals lose last year's Super Bowl to the Rams, I would argue was their offensive line. Why did Patrick Mahomes once have a terrible Super Bowl his offensive line? Why did Patrick Mahomes yesterday have his greatest Super Bowl? His offensive line? No sacks, unbelievable run game. Kansas City averaged six point one yards a rush, And I understand we don't want to talk about guards. But I don't think it's a coincidence that the two best centers in the NFL were in that game. Those old lines were exceptional at the starting point, right in the middle of the foot, closer to the football, and we just don't talk about it. I get it. Ask yourself this. We know Sean McBay is a great coach, right, nobody denies that this was his worst year coaching. Why offensive line? This stuff's not hard to figure out. You gotta get that part. One of the best offensive lines in football. It's not a good team, it's a bad team in a lot of areas. Is Detroit have a great offensive line? Dak Prescott's best year thirteen and three when he had his best offensive line. Pittsburgh does so many things, Well, what's the unit? They can't figure out? Offensive line missed the playoffs. So I think yesterday is a prime example of and Eric Mangini stended earlier Eagles had no sacks. They beat up on bad offensive lines with a New York Giants. There's a lot of bad old lines in the NFC, and they beat up on him. And so you go into this game with this overvalued eagle defensive front. And I said it last week. Does everybody understand the best center in football could be the Chiefs. The best guard Joe Tuny in football could be the Chiefs. More than competent tackles, tight ends that can block. Kelsey's not one of them, but multiple tight ends that can block. They chip blocked. To me, it decided the game. All right. We got a lot of stuff. Greg Jetting stops by a final hour. I know it. It's been hard for j Mac. It's been very difficult. He was on the eagle side. And here's the way I look at it again. It was a phenomenal game. It was not hard at all. The props went pretty good, small profit. I'm just turning my attention to the offseason and the Jets quarterback search. Good luck without on a Monday hour three next