Where Colin was right and wrong
Super Bowl champion Keyshawn Johnson joins the show to tell Colin why the Chargers made a huge mistake with their play call on 4th down against the Vikings
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Here we go our two. We are loaded live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. You know, it's interesting. We were talking about how some organizations draft and developed very well and some don't. The Chicago Bears went out and spent in the linebacker Tremaine Entrance. How did the Bears attack him?
Yesterday?
The Chiefs went right at him all did He couldn't guard anybody. It was just spending money on linebackers right now is just sill. But that's just not how you build the team.
It's not all right. So tonight two Monday night football games, Philly favored over Tampa. I think it's going to be a pretty close game. I think Rams right, I would probably lean Tampa Rams. I have the Rams three and one, blazing five Rams. I would go plus three because Burrow may not play those calf injuries. We have a former NFL player. They just they linger forever. You think you have it solved, you push it, you go out, you reinjure. Calf injuries may not be the most painful, they're the most aggravating of many of injuries. So let's do it every week at this time. Colin Wright, Colin wrong, plenty of both.
Here we go where Colin was right?
All right, blazing five, pretty good. Week three and one. We took the Chargers doing on the road the Saints plus one and a half. We covered by half a point New England to win and cover the spread. Fifty five percent is the goal. So I need about four more weekends to look like this. I have the Rams plus three.
Tonight where Colin was raw.
I didn't necessarily think the Broncos were a super Bowl team, but they are on mess oh to three. What's happened to their defense? Major penalty issues, and it appears they quit. That's a cultural locker room issue. Now, Miami's really good, well coached. Tyreek Hill is so much fun to watch, so many weapons, even in the red zone, a cluttered space. Their deception, their magic the closer they get to that cluttered end zone. But I was wrong on the Broncos. They appear to be a team in turmoil.
Where Colin was right, Jay.
Glazer reported Carson Wentz and Matt Ryan their camps got a hold of the Jets, and the Jets said, no thanks, we're gonna stick with Zach Wilson. Now they may not stick with Zach Wilson for a long time. I don't think you bring a quarterback in Aaron Rodgers. I'm fine with because you can win a super Bowl with him. I don't think you're gonna do that with Carson Wentz, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Ryan. I would stick it out Zach Wilson. Draft another quarterback next year in the third, fourth, fifth round. Aaron comes back. This organization's had too much chaos, too much change, too much turmoil. It's a bad year. You got a bad break with Aaron Rodgers. Stick with it.
Where Colin was rong.
How about CJ. Stroud missing offensive lineman. He's an adult, he's a professional. He reads the defense really like what I see. Shaky old line, not a lot of great targets. Rookie head coach and played caller. You know what, he throws it to the right spot. He's a big kid. Jared Goff was his comp that there wasn't gonna be a lot of athletic juice. But he's a grown up. He's a professional, he's an adult. He's got a ninety eight passer rating, hasn't thrown an interception. He feels like he's in total control of the game, and that's a lot.
That's all I.
Want from a rookie. I don't need you to be Ma Holmes. I don't need you to read your second, third, fourth receiver. He's in control at home and away, way better than I thought as a rookie. Good stuff. Where Colin was right, Well, what do you know, Dak Prescott playing from behind on the road is not the same Dak Prescott. I've said this. He's gonna be as good as his weapons. When he's missing multiple offensive line starters, it's not gonna be pretty. His numbers when he throws over thirty five times a game, his career numbers are bad. Dak's intelligence, his leadership, his guidance, his toughness is all a plus. But He's not a guy that's gonna carry. He's very He's less mobile than he used to be because the lower body injuries. Greg Cosells pointed that out. But as much as we like Dak, aren't most of the reasons the intangibles and not the pure talent. Where Colin was raw, well, Arizona, I'm wrong, is not the worst team in the league. Joshua Dobbs. You can start Joshua Dobbs and win some games. They're feisty, they've got speed. By the way, Joshua Dobbs so far this year is completing seventy eight percent of his throws ninety eight passer rating. If Kyler Murray comes back and Joshua Dobbs is your backup and Kyler Murray's health, that's not a bad quarterback room. That's not a bad quarterback. I'm not saying they're a great team, but I thought they were putrid and the worst team in the league. They're not Bears unwatchable, Jets unwatchable. Arizona's got some dudes.
Where Colin was right, I.
Didn't buy into the Chicago Bears hype. I don't know if Matt Eberflus can coach, and I know defensive coaches who are rookie coaches with the young quarterbacks who are unproven is a bad combination. They just don't win enough games. And now it's regress to their getting blown out early. They'd lost thirteen straight. I'm not sure who you blame, but here's what concerns me. Defensive coach, same with the Chargers. Why is your defense so bad? I'm not asking you to solve everything, but Sean McDermott solve Buffalo's defense quickly. Right offensive coaches Andy Reid goes into a place even Sean Payton. With Denver Russell Wilson's passer rating fifteen percent higher, they're averaging a touchdown more a game. You gotta solve your side of the ball within two years. This defense is worse than.
Last year, where Colin was raw.
My early fascination with Sam Howell was misguided. Good, hell, he was awful, just terrible, my bad.
I don't know.
I kind of like what the commanders were doing. He was overwhelmed. Four picks, nine sacks didn't get great production. I got a little hyper on that. Where Colin was right, the perpetually underappreciated Derek Carr. He was in the game Saints in controlled at Lambeau seventeen to nothing. He gets hurt, the team can't move the sticks. Listen, we don't think Derek Carr is sensational. This guy has spent a career. You know, he's thirteenth all time and fourth quarter comebacks. When he's in the game, you're under control, You're not in chaos. With that defense, you can move the chains. I don't think there's ever been a quarterback in this league who's good, dependable, and perpetually criticized like Derek Carr, nice, solid B guy. Nobody thinks he's a star. When you try to tell me Dak's a star, that's when I have issue. Dak's good B plus, Derek Carr's good be to a B plus. That's what he is, but nobody will acknowledge it. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong? What a pleasure. The former USC star in a good mood these days. Eleven NFL seasons. He's also every morning on Undisputed in studio. Keishawn Johnson is now joining us on the show. Hopefully Keishawan is a regular on our show. You know, on our show, you don't have to wear a tie. We're a little more casual. You're very professional this morning, and we appreciate it. Let me, I want to that's okay, you look good, Go ahead and move that.
Mic Ob, kids and family and all of them was here, so you know I was chilling.
All right, So I want to ask you about this. Coaches tend to say I trust my players, I get it. But if you're gonna go for it at you're own twenty four and you haven't run the ball eleven carries twelve yards all day for Joshua Kelly, then you got to get it to Keenan Allen, to Justin Herbert. Forget the fact of going for it. We can most of us don't love it. Couldn't, I argue, get the ball to your best players in the biggest moments. He picked the wrong guy, a backup running back.
Look, it doesn't matter if it's a backup running back and starting running back or whoever. That moment, in that time, there was nowhere for him to go. Where could he go? He ran right up the back. First of all, it's a bad play, okay. The selection of the play was bad, even though it was only a yard you could do something different to get that yard. You could have some sort of misdirection. You don't want to toss the ball in that situation because therefore you're going backwards, but you can neck your bootleg. You could do something that would allow you to get that yard. The hole wasn't there. They didn't get any push, so therefore they were dominated. And in terms of the trusting your goud what else.
You're gonna say? I trust you? What else am I going to say?
So?
I don't trust you anymore?
That's just the reality of now no timeouts left, you punt the kirk Cousins buck fifty left. Increasingly in that game, as you saw, Chargers were getting great pressure. Yeah, isn't that the better bet?
The best bet?
So?
Okay?
Often to often many times in professional sports and even collegiate sports, the sports in general, the coaches think they're smarter than everybody else. They're gonna be geniuses because they sit up here and they listening. You call them a genius, They say me, call them a jius. So they start to buy into this theory. I'm a great defensive coordinator, I'm a genius, and I could do it this way.
Punt the damn ball man, What the hell's wrong with you? Just punt the ball. Zero timeouts, as you mentioned, none zero zero timeouts.
Punt the ball, make them go eighty yards to score seven.
That's not three seven.
You know how hard that.
Is to do In the National Football League, false start, back them up, holding you back them up, drop ball, fox, all those sort of things.
I think they're the most penalized team in the League of Minnesota. Yeah, beat themselves continuously. You have an offense that's been beating themselves all year, an immobile quarterback that increasingly getting bad protection. It made no sense.
It made zero.
But he's gonna try to make it make sense by trying to convince you, Oh, I trust my defense. I trust my offense more because it was a four points not three points. If it was three points, maybe it change, is what I think.
No kidding.
If it was three points and you gave him the ball, you be fired immediately on the tart Matt, much like Lane Kiffin, because they'll go right now, kick a field goal, tie the game up, and take it in overtime.
You lose, so yeah, you'll get fired. That is how that goes.
But he tries to convince everybody that he did the right thing.
It was the probably the stupidest thing ever.
Now a guy like me and some other players that I played with in my career, we wouldn't have had I can only imagine Brian Cox playing with bat Cox if he would have allowed that to happen. Brian Cox would have been like, are you out of your damn mind?
Same with me.
I would have said to him, even though I'm on office side of the bas saying, man, you don'na punt that the hell's wrong with you? But sometimes you don't have players like that on your team, and he knows the post of the team, so he's gonna do that instead.
Of being overridden by a player.
And saying, man, what are you doing? They have no timeouts? Why do you why are you making this decision? And it makes a coach now think yeah, yeah, you're probably right, you know, let's just kick it right.
It's not that Denver lost, it's how they lost. It did feel. And you don't see this in the NFL much. You don't see it in hockey or the NFL because you have to play hard. Also, the games are taped, there's film on Monday. You don't want to mail it. In NBA baseball, it's the whole different ballgame, game next day. So with Denver, should I be concerned? Maybe we just overvalued how big of a lift it was. It took Belichick two years, Pete Carroll three in Seattle, Kyle Shanahan we forget this, Kishan. He went like six and ten, four and twelve.
Well, I don't forget.
So maybe we just we think this is a quick fix, and this house just has least everything.
It's a quick fix at all.
You figure super Bowl winning coach Sean Payton comes in, he's gonna change everything.
Well, the thing that he's changing.
First and foremost is to get the quarterback stable and under control and solidified.
That.
Yeah, you get that solidified and stabilized, and you calm that down. Then you look at the roster and other pieces that you have. Defensively, it's a new scheme. Now Vance Joseph's a defensive coordinator. This is not Vic Fangio. This is not one of those situations. This is not what they were running a year ago with under Hackett. So you gotta try to give it some time to develop. I'm not worried about Look, it's embarrassing to get seventy hung on you. But it wasn't like they were deliberately trying to score seventy.
It just they're paid to score. You're paid to stop.
How much of this ski shown and you've run into these buzz saws, You've been on these buzz saws at USC. How much of this is Miami's on a roll, They're healthy and they're great.
I think a lot of it is. My is a better football team than Denver. They have a better quarterback than Denver. Coaching year two, a coach in year two, everybody understands the system. Where you have a new coach who's been in the league before, but he's trying to figure everything out he's got. This is an evaluation year for Sean Payton in the Denver Broncos. They're evaluating exactly what it is that they have. They didn't come into the season saying we're going to the playoffs. They say, Hey, let's see what we got, Let's see what pieces we need when we go to the draft board and free agency in twenty twenty four.
It does feel like, either at the trading deadline or in the draft, they should concentrate on defense. I don't think their D line gets much of a push. I like Mems, Judy Sutton.
Yeah, they are good players, but again, this is an evaluation year. If all of a sudden it turns into something, then great, that's a that's a feather in their cap. But for the most part, they're trying to evaluate these players to try to see what they have in the long term goal. This is not a short term fixed This isn't all man, we getting ready to roll right now.
So you were in New York for four years with the Jets, and so j Mack this is his beloved team. And I've said, listen, you bring in Aaron, you gave up some money and some draft caps. Yeah, and you got a really crappy break. Let's just get through Zach Wilson year. It's ugly. He's not the future.
Maybe not.
His belief is go get Kirk Cousins. And I'm like, oh good god, you guys reach on everybody. What do you do if you're Zach Wilson, Because here's the fear the ownership, which you know runs through coaches and ugly and criticism wfans crushing them. The New York Post is crushing them. I think Sala deserves another year in Joe Douglas, but you know in that city to Giants Town, they may just blow if Zack's ugly for eight weeks, Salah gets blamed. What would you do if you do you go get a WinCE, a Matt Ryan, a Kirk Cousins, or do you stay put and maybe look really bad the next six of the next twelve weeks.
I would start by saying, what do I really believe in? Do I really believe that I'm gonna waste another year of a championship defense. If I think I'm gonna waste another year of a championship defense, then I've got to look to my coordinator in the Hackett and find out if Nathaniel Hackett really knows what the hell he's doing, or is my coordinator really the guy who tore his achilles.
In Aaron Rodgers.
Because when you when you run Bryce Hall the last two weeks, sixteen attempts in two weeks. We just saw what the Arizona Cardinals did to the Dallas Cowboys. So go back to a week ago. They gave the ball to Bryce Hall four times, okay four times.
In week one.
We saw him get the football against the Buffalo Bills, and what he did this past week he touched it twelve times. You are not allowing or helping this young quarterback succeed on the offensive side of the ball because you got weapons across the board right all of a sudden. If I bring in Colin Kyle Hurt doesn't mean that I'm I'm going to unleash and change my game plan on how I do things. What it means is that you now have to take a guy like Zack Wilson, give him and put him in the best situations to succeed, which is playing defense, running the hell out of the football at thirty, and limiting his mistakes by not allowing him and putting him in the mistakes. What happens often too many times is that with young quarterbacks defensive minded coaches, they don't know how to massage orchestrate massage put him in the right situations. They don't know how to relay that to the offensive coordinators. You could get Zack Wilson could be fine if you gave me, and I'm saying this, if you gave me the headsets today and gave me their game plan without me even knowing exactly the offense. I promise my right hand up to God, I could put Zack Wilson in better positions to succes seed than what the Jets have done in him the last two weeks.
So is that the Justin Fields issue, which is, but I.
Ain't got nothing, He's not. They know I'm talking about the team. They ain't got it. They don't have anything, all right, They're one of the worst. They got one of the worst rosters in the National Football League.
They're not very good.
So your argument, Zach Wilson's got help use it?
Oh my goodness, dude, I could go down just okay, I'm without even going down the list of the roster. They got the offensive defensive rookies of the year. Okay, they got a dude that Quinny Williams, who's three hundred pounds of just terror in the middle. And now do I need to talk about do I need to go into the lazaar? And I don't need to go into.
All of that.
They got dudes, They got Cats.
And Robert Salad is a great defensive mind, and the defenses one of the top five defenses in the league. They gave us fifteen points Okay, they gave up fifteen points to New England if you if you account the toe and I'm not one that I don't like to do that because sometimes a guy may throw a pick six and it gets accredited to the defense.
But think about it, they gave us fifteen points.
One of them was a big play to the tie end on the blown coverage because sauce Gardner didn't get his butt back to his third the way that he needed to be.
So chalk that up fifteen points.
If you took and you put any quarterback, anybody in that position, and you allow them to succeed by not pushing the ball down the field, by doing calling the right plays at the right time, they'll be really good. It's the recipe for success in the National Football League. Number one play defense. Number two run the football, and number three limit the mistakes of the quarterback, give him and put him in the best situation to succeed.
Checkpoint. Go to San Francisco. What do they do. They run the football, they play defense, and they allow perty to be put in the right positions to succeed.
Okay, so what do you say about Dallas yesterday, which goes on the road a perceived average team and gets outplayed, falls behind. Is that a tray on Diggs?
Digs ain't tackling nobody, and he ain't rushing the passer. So this this myth, as I told skipping Michael Irvan this morning, stop with the digs.
You lose digs.
All of a sudden, everything falls apart. Diggs is on an island. He's not rushing the passer, he's not playing a two technique. He's not in the hole, plugging the hole at the linebacker position. They rushed for two twenty two. They ain't got nothing to do with Diggs.
Nothing.
So Mike McCarthy old lining.
Well, I think when you look at it, this is one of those things I think, for my money, I would say that they fell asleep at the wheel. They're looking ahead. Sure, they're looking at New England, they're looking at San Francisco.
It's Arizona.
We're gonna you know, Joshua Dobbs was on the street before the season started. That's I think they got that mentality, and it all of a sudden, Oh wait a minute, we in trouble.
Oh my god, we're in trouble.
And that happens because you fall asleep and then when you finally wake up, it's too late.
Yeah. Well, I mean Arizona almost had the Giants done. So I think Arizona is a little feistier.
They're one of those teams that will win three or four games this year and beat one of two teams that they shouldn't be.
I want to talk about Dion Sanders, so I don't find myself rooting for against. I root for interesting and I think he's fascinating. I didn't think this was winnable Oregon. As you know, outside of USC, Oregon wins West Coast recruiting. They out recruit UCLA, Washington. They've been Mario Crystoball and Lenning have been recruiting dudes for eight years. They got pros all over the place. This was not a winnable game for Colorado. I just think it. It's easy to say Dion got his and it's like Deon's been recruiting for six months. Oregon's been recruiting dudes for eight years. They don't lose it.
It's a different than in a different playing field. It's not the it's not.
The it's not a great program. Colorado is a great story.
Absolutely, and it's going to continue to be a great story.
A guy takes over a program that was one and eleven, they're three and one now.
Okay, with eighty six new faces at the university.
And they look well coached.
Then well coached, they're fine.
Look in in the end, you look at how they got beat. But what people got to realize is that Oregon Pro program foundation owns has been there since Mike Bellatti, Okay, Phil Knight, Mike Belotti, Mark Uggs, Chip Kelly Chip Kelly, Rich Brooks, Hellfred, Willie Tagger for a year christ of Ball.
I mean like it's already been there.
Although some of these players, the majority of these players are transfers and new recruits and things of that nature. They were not there necessarily with Crystal Ball, but the foundation of the program was there. The understanding of the program was there. You got a new head coach coming in completely taking a shovel, digging up the dirt, tossing it and putting new soil in.
And that's where Colorado's program is right now. Yeah.
I mean it was funny they went in as a twenty one point underdog and you could say, well, Colorado was a twenty one point underdog to TCU, but we were guessing, so we'd seen them go three and oh and they were still a twenty one point dog. I think Oregon is one of those programs and US season this class. I think they can play with.
If you play.
If Oregon plays Colorado at home, they don't get blown out of the building like that. It's a different game at home. It's tough to go on the road. They never faced the adversity. And the three games that they played prior to that they went to TCU, they never was like two touchdowns behind.
They to control the game.
They controlled the entire game.
Colorado State game, it was just a moment here and there we was like, oh man, they might lose this. But they were at home, so they never faced that adversity. Right Nebraska, same thing. You go on the road in Eugene, Oregon. It's yellow and green everywhere, the ducks doing push ups every thirty second. It's crazy loud. It's you haven't faced that adversity yet. And now all of a sudden you look up. It's like they just did what they faked the pun on us. Oh god, here we go, and now it starts to snowball. Out of control, to the point where you're so far behind you just want to get out of the building and get back on the bus to get home.
Yeah.
I think I really do believe this. I think USC Colorado is going to be a pretty competitive It's gonna.
Be a better game. I watched USC player airs on the State the other night, and I was mad.
And in the end, I think USC went in ahead thinking Arizona State, but also looking to Colorado. They got caught sleepwalking too.
Yep, so USC in Bowl. That's that's the biggest football game in Boulder.
And I will be there. You will, Yes, I'll be there.
Marshall your fingers.
It will be interesting, a lot of power I'll be I'll be like don King right, I'll be all USC. And if it goes wrong, I'll be in the Colorado locker room afterwards.
Oh Colorado, when to go to you?
Thanks for coming on, buddy.
Oh yeah.
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All right, let's revisit that Dolphins record setting performance seventy points, a franchise record most points scored in the game since nineteen sixty six. Miami is the first team in NFL history to score five rushing and five passing touchdowns in the Saint Nobody's ever done that, all right, over seven hundred yards offense.
Colin.
I had to look this up because it's depressing. The Jets have three offensive touchdowns this season. Miami had five offensive touchdowns in the first half.
Well, one has an offensive coach that helps, and one it Wan's more of a defensive roster, so some of this is a lot of the money's on offense.
I saw a note from Peter King.
I just had to write this down because I think it's going to be probably a talking point coming up. So the or maybe it was Albert Brier who had it four of the top eight offenses in the NFL. Are from that Kyle Shanahan coaching treat Miami, San Francisco, Minnesota Rams. Yeah, Like, if you're looking to higher a coach and there's gonna be a lot of teams out there, you basically have to just go to his staff. McDaniel Stack would say, grow any IVY League guys out here, we need oneies.
That's what you got with this and Cincinnati and Zach Taylor, if not for burrows injury in previous years, had been elite. So there's another guy. But again, I mean, it's just not hard to keep banging on this, and I know you're bored to death, but it's like young quarterbacks are much better served with offensive coaches. Now. If you have the Steelers defense, Kenny Pickett can win. But Kenny Pickett, they only he had one big over the top play. He did a couple of those rollouts to his left. They did it early, then they did it late to seal it. Like Kenny Pickett looks okay, I think he sort of hit it. He's hit a wall. He is what he is. But I think their defense is so sensational that you can win games in Pittsburgh. Yeah, but it's hard to have a defense like Pittsburgh.
Yes, if you want to start a brush fire on the internet.
So I'm gonna ask a tough question to what was outstanding yesterday? Okay, he's been tremendous, MVP favored according to the odds.
Justin Herbert was exceptional. He had like four hundred yards.
I think he passed like forty seven times.
Who do you think you'd rather have as a quarterback? And you don't get to pick a coach.
Herbert's putting up huge numbers with a coach that maybe the worst in the league, and a coach that got fired. Two is putting up great numbers with maybe the most clever offensive coach. Contextualized, Herbert is over come. Not a GM in the league. Is taken to it not a good one. Yes, six ' five two thirty, a four to two college student. He's putting a numbers and not getting support too. Is getting remarkable support and to his credit, delivering. But I mean, let's be honest here. They look at the fourth down charger play, that's what they came up with. Go look at Miami's red zone moves yesterday. It's like a magician. They look left, go right. Everything is clever in deception, but everything.
That is a phenomenal point. And I know people don't want to hear that, but that's the reality. Like you look at Justin Herbert, he fits anywhere. He's gonna win you games anywhere, and I don't know he's gonna get to the super Bowl with the limited coach.
And now Mike Williams, we just got the news to be.
With a lousy defensive coach. By the way, the reason you go get Tyreek Hill is because of Mike McDaniel. He knows how to use him. Andy Reid knows how to use him. Now Tyreek would be successful at some level. But part of what Miami did when they let go of Brian Flores, and I gave him credit at the time, the Miami Dolphins saw what was happening in pro football and they pivoted from an intense defensive Brian Flores patriot culture completely pivoted to a young, progressive offensive culture. The whole franchise did from who they acquired and drafted, and it's work. The Dolphins deserve credit. They the Bears can't do this. They doubled down on defense. The Dolphins said, the world's changing, and I mean there's nobody that's more opposite of Brian Flores than Mike McDaniel personality, technique, world view of football. And I give them a ton of credit for just saying, we gotta blow this up and go the other We're gonna flip the telescope. And the Dolphins did that.
You want to talk about seeing around corners, Colin, I.
Do you think they're gonna make two of one of the highest paid quarterbacks after the season, because hold on, because they didn't pick up the fifth year option, you know, with the concussions, and you know McDaniel knows in the back of his head that Shanahan knows the same thing. You can't win when you're paying your quarterback fifty million. You cannot unless you got Tua Tua, I'm sorry, unless you got my homes or I.
Think twas the kind of player that would take a team friendly deal like Herbert.
I think you're probably I had not thought about that angle, but I think your.
Think Herbert took a team friendly deal, Tua would take a team I always say this, if you're in Miami, you live in a great city, no state tax. If you want to win more games than your Tua, I mean It can't always be about taking the most money for any of us.
That's gonna be It's gonna be a fun topic because a lot of people are gonna say, dude, look at his injury history, get paid Tua and the second he gets paid Tyreek Hill, you have to move on from him. And Jayla Wattall's got you know, on the rookie deal, you have to pay him like it always a fascinating coming going forward, especially with this start. Next up, Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. How about this one who had this colt.
Stunning the Ravens.
You don't do nineteen you know overtime.
Listen, the Ravens had good field position in both of their overtime possessions, could not come through. There was a bad missed flag on a PI that should have been called on fourth down. But Lamar Jackson is not making any excuses. We had plenty of opportunities to put the game away, especially when our defense did a great job at stopping those guys.
We had great field position and didn't move the.
Ball at all.
That ticked me off. It ticked all of us off. We like to finish the job.
This team is really beat up they played Cleveland this week. I already bet this game.
Raven just have too many injuries coming. The bus went downd this weekend, like they're on their third.
Or four string running back. By the way, Lamar Jackson once again owns it like Dak owns it. I have no problem. You lose, you own it. Baltimore is gonna be fine, but this is like it's almost a cultural thing. They're always banged up this week three?
Are they going to be a fine part?
Are you sure?
The schedule is unforgiving?
And we saw what Miles Garrett did to the Tennessee offensive line. Three and a half sacks just wrecked him. At one point he sacked the lineman and the quarterback. I don't know if he saw the high left. He's now going up against the backup left tackle because Stanley's out in this her Lennard Baumb's album, This Cleveland defense is nasty Ravens.
They got a lot of injuries out and key spots left tackle, star back.
And final story is the story that took over the internet yesterday, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey hanging out. Look at that t Swift in the building bringing out with Kelsey's mom love.
That's a little bit rushed. I don't know about that.
Obviously, it was a Fox game and everybody's excited afterward. Sure you saw the video she's walking out with Kelsey.
People are very stoked.
Patrick Mahomes waving at Taylor Swift from the field.
It's very exciting. I know you love this and.
You know it's it's they're not it doesn't. I mean, it's an interesting couple. Well, I don't always look at him as sort of isn't his history sort of dating.
He's he's a bit of a different dude. You see some of his outfits. He's like having fun.
He's on like four commercials. Now, that dude's on everything.
He's gonna have eight commercials after this tailor. No.
I mean he's not stupid like these guys, the Kelsey Brothers their podcast. I think, Yeah, I saw him on there was a food commercial. He's on everything. He's like Blake Griffin, like he's figured it out. Blake Griffin for a while was on you'd watched an NBA game. He was on half of the commercials. Chris Paul's on commercials. This dude he's on like he used to be Aaron Rodgers. Now it's Travis Kelsey. He's on He and Mahomes are on everything.
Kelsey's the man. I don't know.
Did you have you talked to your wife or your daughter about this, because I know my wife and daughter are very much now into the Chiefs and Kelsey, like they didn't know who he was and they're into this, Like this is gonna be a thing. I know some old folks don't love it, but uh, Taylor Swift dating an NFL player, this is huge. What do you mean why not they don't They don't want this pop culture stuff.
Stick to football.
You know.
The I don't know your family's into it major?
I mean the I shouldn't say the The first thing my wife said to me, you know, I wake up, I go workout, come home.
She's like, oh my gosh.
Online Taylor Swift. Content is crazy with this football player. I'm like, it's six thirty in the morning, geez like.
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I give a lot of people. I guess we're rooting against Deon Sanders and Colorado. Listen, Colorado football has been anonymous my whole life outside of the Eric b Enemy years, Like, just why would you root against them? Oregon was gonna win that game, but having Colorado be great? The bummer in college football because it's been a great year. Is the PAC twelve is ending? I don't think I've ever seen a year with more good teams. Utah's defense is good, Washington's offense is unstoppable. USC's offense is crazy, Oregon's good top to bottom. What a bummer? Well, I think is Washington State four?
And oh?
Like, I don't think I've ever seen the Colorado's viable. They'll win three or four or five more games. What a bummer? It's like understood why the Pac twelve broke up like it had like a five year kind of erosion. I get it they could never orchestrate a TV deal, But man, the coaching and the quarterback play is outstanding. I just want Colorado to be interesting, and I think they are. There's no reason to root against them. I always root for better stories.
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All right, Welcome back to NFL games tonight. Philadelphia favored over Tampa. I think it's fairly close, Rams getting a field goal. I'll take them against Cincinnati. Probably best serve Cincinnati's waying. Should we play Burrow give us a better chance to win? Maybe, but there could be an injury, reaggravating the calf. My guess is they try to play Burrow. Not sure if he finishes the game. I'll take the Rams. So Keishawn Johnson came on about forty minutes ago his take on what we witnessed, and you gotta be careful because one of the rules in the NFL if you get humiliated. The Commanders just got humiliated, they'll probably play really good against Philly. Denver just got absolutely structurally humiliated. They'll probably play much better. Keishawn Johnson said, slow down, there's a lot of things to fix in Denver. Here's what you have to fix first.
Well, the thing that he's changed in first and foremost is to get the quarterback stable and under control and solidify that. Yeah, you get that solidified and stabilized, and you calm that down. Then you look at the roster and other pieces that you have. Defensively, it's a new scheme. Now you gotta try to give it some time to develop. I'm not worried about Look, it's embarrassing to get seventy hung on you, but it wasn't like they were deliberately trying to score seventy.
It just they're paid to score. You're paid to stop it. Yeah.
So his takeaway is, let's be patient. This stuff takes time. This is an evaluation period and he has made Russell Wilson better.
The team.
To keep your eye and j Mack, we talk about this all the time. Is that and it's okay. Fans should overreact on Monday, have fun. It's sports, That's what we all do, right. Buffalo loses that game in New York, Aaron Rodgers gets hurt, and the Jets play for two hours wild, the emotion driven football and win. Just take that game out. It never existed. The Jets aren't that good and Buffalo is not that bad. There are games during a season just they never happened. If you take the game out. In fact, just take half the game out. That second half Jets played inspired, Buffalo was tentative, made mistakes. Do you see what Buffalo did to the Commanders. Buffalo's favored this week over Miami. Buffalo looks really, really good and the Jets have regressed. Now that people know that Zak is the guy, you can game plan him differently. But yesterday watching Buffalo, that was bully ball. That was like, oh, they are favored against the Dolphins. So tomorrow I have my hurt hierarchy in my takeaway?
What do I do?
I supplant Buffalo ahead of Dallas because they have a much greater quarterback. And the truth is they can be a little reliant and Stefan Diggs like the Cowboys can with Ceedee Lamb and the perimeter Josh Allen now completion percentage, They're healthy. They Commanders. Not saying they're a great team, but I watched them go on the road in Denver and look, you know that was a pretty capable offense. Four picks, nine sacks. Buffalo ran over the Commanders like they were a college team. What was your take on that?
I mean, Colin.
Washington couldn't move the football against them. They get to the red zone once turn it over.
I don't want to say.
Howell got concussed on a big hit near the goal line, but after that it was just interceptions and sacks.
He was very rattled.
This Buffalo line is interesting because nobody is going to bet against the team that just scored seventy points.
Everybody loves Miami. They're a covering machine.
But I do want our mind people when they went to New England, Colin, what did Belichick do a lot of dvs on the field. Miami was kind of held in check. They did run the football and ended up winning. But I have an idea McDermott's gonna have some stuff schemed up to slow this offense. I think Buffalo is probably the side here.
You know, I was thinking about this yesterday. I think I talked to you. I called a couple of people on this. There are like two or three teams that obviously have a huge quarterback deficit, the Jets, Chicago. There's a handful of those teams, two or three Arizona. I think Josh Obbs, you can win games with Josh Obbs. I don't think he's a franchise guy. And Kyler Murray is coming back, so they probably look at it as Kyler Murray. If they don't have the number one pick and they have the number four pick, I think they're gonna stick with Kyler Murrigan.
I think they are.
I think they They've already paid him a lot. I do think he has a market. I think Caleb Williams. You draft Caleb Williams. I don't think Drake May is having a great season. I'm not moving off Kyler Murray for Drake May. I will move off anybody not named Mahomes, Josh Allen Lamar for Caleb Williams.
But remember justin Herbert in that final year at Oregon, he did not look amazing. He wasn't putting up great numbers because of the offense. And then he had that Bowl game, and I'll never forget you were all over this. You were like, holy cow, look at Herbert. I think it was the rule by the way c J. Stroud against is it Georgia?
That's right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean it's like both Herbert and c J. Stroud kind of mixed feelings on it. And then you watch them against the really good defense in the bowl game and you're like, oh, the coach is allowing them last game is a collegian to play, and you're like, wow, CJ. Stroud looks good. Yeah, I mean like right away, good composed adult, no picks, and a.
Good game yesterday. Every good game yesterday for him. This this Drake may things interesting, though, I know you're not. You don't like what you say.
I'm just saying, Caleb Williams, I'm Arizona. I take him and I figure out the everything else later. Josh Dobbs, Kyler Murray, I'm not moving off Kyler Murray and Josh Dobbs quarterback room for a kid from Carolina that's been so so I'm not doing it. Kyler's two talented, and Josh Dobbs is one of the better backups in the league. Potentially about Chicago, Chicago, just take whoever's available. Our three live in La next