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In the absence of information, people make stuff up. Just we don't know. There's so much we don't know about the Lamar Jackson situation right now, and it's really killing Lamar. He's got to step up and do something to him. He's just getting hammered right now and nobody's stopping the leading column. So the other quarterback situation that's interesting is San Francisco brock Purdy. John Lynch said this week he'd probably the number one starter. He was seven and oh in games last year, or his elbow didn't break, but they invested a lot of draft capital to get Trey Lance. He also got hurt and he struggled when he was in, completing fifty five percent of his throws in four games, four appearances. And so Jed Yorke says, you know, despite all the doubts on Trey Lance, he wouldn't change a thing, change anything that we've made about the decision with Trey. I think Trey has a chance to be great. But it's it's a bonus when you get somebody at the end of the seventh round that ends up coming in and being very impactful for your team. And I mean I've said it multiple times with quarterbacks, whether it was Alex and capf you know, I mean watching Jimmy and Jimmy and Trey and now you know Brock and Trey and Sam. You can't have enough good quarterbacks. First of all, the quarterback draft class Trey came out of, we predicted Trevor Lawrence would emerge very quickly as the best. True. We said that Mac Jones should work, but have a low ceiling. True, I felt Zach Wilson bus potential true, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, love the kids, love the potential. We didn't think either were great enough to overcome chaos. So far, Justin Fields hasn't been great enough to do that. Trey Lance, we just don't. We don't know a lot. You haven't played very much. But if you go back to the twenty twenty one draft class, here is what we absolutely have so far. One star, one who's capable, one who's a bust, and two we're not quite sure that is the historic average. You get about one star, a bust, a guy that's good enough to start, and then you got to watch how it works out for a couple, and that would be Trey Lance and Justin Fields. But I'll say this, and I'll always always respect people for taking big swings. Luca Kyrie took a big swing. I didn't think it would work, but it was a big swing. Is that the Niners needed to take a swing because they had Jimmy Garoppolo and Mac Jones was just Jimmy Garoppolo, not a great arm, not a great mover, good at the line of scrimmage, limited athletically. They had that. They had that they wanted to take a big swing. Secondly, they had a loaded roster and had had success, but they lost to the Holmes and they were worried about having a great roster without some juice or a special quarterback. So they weren't gonna get Trevor Lawrence. He went number one, they weren't going to get him. And the Jets were all in on Zach Wilson. So they were left with a Jimmy Garoppolo duplicate, you know, a guy that's okay, or Justin Fields or Trey Lance. And they took a big swing. It's what they had to do. And I'm okay with that. I said before, I don't think Kyrie and Luca because neither plays defense or a championship team. I thought it would be fun. I thought it would be dynamic. I think you have to at some point appease Luca. I like the swing. I got no problem with Trey Lance right now. In all likelihood, he's going to get one more shot because Brock Purdy, according to reports, won't be ready for the opener, and if that's the case, you're not going to go Sam Darnold. If he's healthy, Trey's gonna get a shot. So far in four games. The throwing part they've struggled with. But Kevin Demoff, who is a big shot for the LA Rams, came out and told Mike Silver at the San Francisco Chronicle. He said, we got a new way of general managers, and they're willing to be more aggressive. If we penalize them for their aggressiveness when a decision doesn't work out, our league will suffer as a whole. When you have a team with as many good players as the Niners, you made a lot more right decisions than wrong decisions. Gotta take big swings, and I completely utterly agree. Don't have a problem at all what Trey Lance. We still don't know how it's gonna end. He's gonna get one more good shot. But if you start looking around at that draft class, it gave us a star, a bust, a capable and two. We don't know that's generally how it works if you have four or five in the first round. Nick Wright would be a first round or co host First Things First, joining us Live. So were we listened to the Matt Lafleur quotes on Jordan Love. They weren't exactly Holmes life There, let's progression, let's let's temper our enthusiasm. I'm like, okay, so we don't have Patrick or Josh Allen. What is your guess on Jordan Love today, Nick, Oh, listen. I think that he should. He projects out to be a league average starter. I don't think he'll be a bust. I think he'll be fine. I think sitting. I think the stability of the Packers organization actually has been helpful, and I think there is a chance that the Packers next year win that division if Detroit doesn't take the big leap. Everyone seems to be anticipating that they are going to take. But I don't think moving to Jordan Love was about Jordan Love, Colin. I think it was about they had to get out of the Aaron Rodgers business. I I you know, I saw Mark Tauscher, I think it was former Rogers teammate saying that Rogers the entire relationship was ruined with how they treated Jordy Nelson, and then it really was finalized with the draft pick of Jordan Love, which I would agree with. It's like the marriage never got over, you know, when there was an instance of infidelity. But if in between the infidelity and the divorce, you guys renew your vows in front of all your family and friends, I'm gonna say, well, something good happened. He signed a contract extension after all of this. It's like, oh, it's ruined. I it never worked. I'll take one hundred and fifty million. And then for Rogers to go on McAfee and to say I want direct communication. I need direct communication, and then guden Kun's to come out and say, dude won't answer our calls or texts. I'm going to trust that Brian guden Koune's selling the truth there, in which case it's another instance of Aaron Rodgers misleading us. Yeah, and I think the Packers just said we can't go forward with this guy with our entire franchise at his whims, especially when last season he did look like a significantly declining player. You know, I said earlier today on the show, Nick, there's five quarterbacks. If they were available on the market, there would be a mad scramble to get him. Mahomes, Alan Herbert, Trevor, Lawrence, Joe Burrow. I said, oh, Joe Burrow, Yeah, half the league would call. Then there's another four to five guys. Lamar's in this group. There's gonna be interest, But there's a concern. Jalen Hurts has only had one great year. Stafford got old fast, Aaron's prickly a Lamar last twenty two games, He's missed ten and you say to yourself, that's not fair. But if I'd have made that list up a year ago, Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray would have been in the first or second group. Two years ago, Deshaun Watson would have been in the first and second group. And things Nick change. And I do think with Lamar or the noisiness and the injuries scare people, don't they? And here listen, I think many teams should be going after Lamar Jackson. I think it's crazy that the Patriots and the Falcons are just ruling themselves out. I think the cult should be going after Lamar Jackson. I believe all of that to be true. I also believe that there are well founded reasons why people would have some trepidation because of if we are going to count the reasons the injuries, there's one. A second one is I don't think he has handled this entire process like a CEO of your franchise type. I think the stuff with the business partner, it's like, no, this guy doesn't represent me. But here's the home gym. It's like, hm, he tweeted out, here's where you can get all your Lamar Jackson news. I know this is gonna sound petty, but I think it probably matters. That is a poorly made website looks like a Geocity's page from twenty years ago. It's like that, doesn't you got You're trying to brand yourself here as the face of an next franchise, and here is where I think the Lamar Jackson got. I'll throw one other thing out there, and again, maybe this sounds petty, but if I were running a team, it would at least call some trepidation. He gets sick a lot. Yeah, Like I'm not talking about injured. I'm talking about sick, and it's like, is there. I know there was some speculation that his sleep schedule or nutrition is off. Those are all things that at least give me some pause. I think there has been in some corners of the media some hesitation to be anything but full blown supportive of Lamar because he was so unfairly criticized early and coming into the league, and so much of it felt obviously racial that I think well intentioned people want to make sure they don't get painted with that brush that they are not saying what they truly believe, which is while Lamar Jackson is clearly one of the ten best quarterbacks in the league and clearly should have a stronger market than we are currently seeing, it might be materializing if he was conducting his business the way it looks like Jalen Hurtz conducts his It might be materializing. If he had a professional team around him helping him through this. It is not a no risk proposition. I will say one other thing about it. I understand why Lamar wants the Deshaun Watson deal, but if we all in the media agree that was a disastrous deal for the Browns, they gave up too much. They paid too much. I understand why other teams or the Ravens would be saying we are not going to follow the pattern of a poorly run team that made a bad decision. I get why Lamar wants it, but I get why other places would be hesitant to give it. So I was talking about this earlier. The greatest boxer of all time heavyweight is Muhammad Ali, and the reason is because of his footwork, his speed, his power, his IQ, his psychological effect on opponents. It transcends time. He would have been good seventy years ago. He'd be dominant today. I believe Walter Peyton's the best running back I've ever seen. Why because his power, his speed, his inability run over you, run past you, run through you. I think he'd be as good a running back as the league has today. What when you talk about the greatest, not all time great the greatest, you have to consider could they plan any era. That's why I think Larry Bird ages brilliantly because even today the game he was almost European before European ball handling, shooting, passing, he was so highly skilled as a forward. So I put the all time starting five up for me and I see I see Jordan's you can't retract him Lebron and Kareem. I do think Yannis, we may get to a point in six years with Yannis and Larry Bird. You're like, we gotta put him somewhere. But I said this about Steph Curry. Magic and Steph were both poor defenders. But ten years ago the game changed, and the more it changes to a shooters league in twenty years, it's gonna age much more towards Steph Curry than Magic, who I loved and I watched Curry, you know last night, eight threes, eight rebounds. It's unbelievable, by the way. So I'm just gonna throw this out there. I do think Steph could unseat Magic in three or four years. More titles, more scoring. Is it off the table for you? Well, I don't think he's gonna get more titles. Magic's got five and so Steph would have to get to six. Here's what I it's not off the board. And I'm glad you posed it like this. And then I don't know if you want to talk Shack, because there's a funny shack argument for your center spot. But on Magic, I just want the audience to understand what Magic Johnson, who he was as a basketball player. Forget what he did in college, the amazing resume, and forget even year one as a rookie throwing up a forty two fifteen and seven to win the title. Magic Johnson played twelve years in the league before he had to retire due to HIV. In those twelve seasons, he was Top three MVP nine times, He was First Team All NBA nine times. He made the NBA Finals nine times, so seventy five percent of his years his team was in the finals, and he was considered at the end of the year either the best, the second best of the third best player in the league. He won the MVP Award three times, he won five rings, and then he retired fresh off the finals appearance and missed four years and his first game back I think had nineteen seven and ten at thirty six years old, overweight, having missed four seasons. So magic again because he missed that time. Yes, when the door is open, yes, but people need to understand a lot of people believe the eighties was the hardest era of basketball. Michael Jordan won one playoff game his first three years in the league. In the brutal East in the eighties. Magic Johnson helped run rough shot over that decade. So yes, Steph has work to do. But to me, what Steph has done is put himself in that not in the conversation of the all time pantheon, but right there. And the guys he is chasing now to me are Shack and a Kim and Kobe and Bird. Those are the next guys up before you get to Duncan and Magic and of course Kareem, Michael and Lebron. Yeah, I say Kareem's the greatest center ever. Russell has the most titles as a big and a player, but Wilt and Shack, despite being distracted for big chunks of their career, were probably the most gifted. But focus matters. It's Brady's the goat, and Lebron arguably is They're so laser focused. Lebron, Brady and Kobe in their prime, all it was was sports then Brady late, Lebron late Kobe post then they moved into Hollywood in business. But Shack is doing Blue Chips year two and Kazam three years later. And the downside of that is Kareem wasn't mostly Kareem was you know, first of all, he played twenty years. So you're Shack said this week he was jealous of Lebron when he had the scoring title. What was your take on that? Well, I understand that, and I think it is a testament to Shack's greatness that he is one of the twelve greatest players ever has the most dominant three year finals stretch. I mean, the guy was thirty five and sixteen over three consecutive finals, and he didn't achieve his full potential. And does that make like he was that great and that productive and he could have been better? The argument for Shack is a different type of argument because there is no argument he's the best ever. There is no credible argument that he's better than Kareem. Kreem's got six MVPs Kareem. But but the argument for Shack is this, Colin, and I say this obviously as the Lebron guy. If the question is I get one player all time for one game and I am guaranteed that they are the peak of their powers, is Shaquille O'Neal the number one draft pick ever? And I think the answer to that might be yes. I think that eight. Even though I have a Cheam ahead of him and Bird and Duncan and Kobe, all these guys. If the question is for one game or even one series, you I can have Apex, Michael Apex, Bron Apex, Kareem Apex, Shack who can be You know, he averaged I think it was thirty eight and seventeen against the Sixers in those finals, who had the defensive player of the year to Kim Bay Mutumbo. If you are giving me Apex Shaquille O'Neill, that might be my number one draft pick. But the body of work is not enough. He wasn't at that Apex long enough for him to be considered the greatest ever. But that is his argument right there for the record that there's the similar argument with Tyson. If you got Tyson when he had custom models, that's right when he had really capable people in the corner and was ascending and it wasn't the circus later for one fight against all ee Well, I mean it, And it's also the argument. It's the argument right now for Patrick in football. Yeah, if you were to tell me I get one quarterback all time for a game at his Apex, I think, unquestionably you'd rather have Mahomes than Brady, but for the totality of the career, it's obviously Brady for at least another I don't know. Once Patrick wins three in a row Colin and has an undefeated season, will that put him over it is he after the summarings, I'm not sure, but what we'll see. But yeah, the apex versus the totality is the question, and Tyson's a great argument there. Okay, we got a minute left. Let's pivot back to football. Aaron Rodgers. I don't get the Super Bowl stuff at all. He's proven when he gets a new system, it generally takes him a year to ramp up. Even with Hackett and Green Bay with a great old line stability, it took him a year to really crank up. I think they're going to be a nine and eight, ten and seven team if Aaron got there. That feels right to me. What say you? Yeah? I don't get it. I understand why the Jets are doing it. They haven't had consecutive years of high quality quarterbacking, arguably since namth so I get why they feel like we gotta do this. Yeah, but I would to me they are They're in their own Division. They're not better than Buffalo, they probably aren't better than Miami. And if the Patriots were to get Lamar, which they should, I don't know if they will. I don't know that I have them above New England. I just don't know what the model is for a clearly deteriorating player to then immediately, at this age bounce back. I understand some would say, well, what about Farv, and I guess that would be the argument. He's following that same trajectory. But Farv also was one of one as far as I don't even know if it's how he took care of his body, but just what he was, how tough he wasn't what he was able to play through. To me, the age was less of a factor. I don't get it. I don't understand the smoke or the steam with the Jets at all, and I don't think they're making the right decision in handing the franchise over to a guy who does not seem to be reliable at this point. Nick Wright, first things first, after us as always, Buddy, great, seeing you you too, great talking to count Yeah, the shack, that's a really fun argument. One game Prime, one series, Prime Shack was over. I you know, I was in the stands for that Laker Blazer series where the Blazers had leads in almost every game. Lakers couldn't stop. Rashid Wallace went to a Game seven at Staples. One of the best game, probably the best basketball game I've ever been to live. And it's hard. Arvitas Sabonis was so big, so I covered him in Portland. Arvitas why always said he was a refrigerator with a head. You stand next to him. He was so large and so big and so wide, and he took his shirt off during that series. You know, I'm in the locker room and he's got like holes and blood. And that's what facing Shack was like. A Shacked today against all the eurocenters. I mean when Shack's early days running the floor, You've just never seen anything like it. How's this prime Shack or prime e Lajah One? Well Shack again, think well, A Keem out played him. A Keem's game was different. It was very technical in his footwork, but as an overpowering force of nature, Shack was an avalanche. I mean, you could not stop it. He was in the finals when Elijah one Ate his lunch, but it was a little younger Shack back. Yeah, I know, Shack is domin Like if you lived in LA during the Shack Kobe years, I did not, but I love that team. Yeah, yeah, it's it's the there's three teams in my life in the NBA that have an argument that they're the greatest ever. Jordan's Bulls, Shack, Kobe with a great coach, and then the Kevin Durant Steph Clay first couple years. There's no fourth. I don't want to hear about anybody else. The Celtic teams were very very they'd before the bird McHale though, when they brought Walton in for that year or two, that's four. But the problem with the Kobe Shack versus the Durant Curry Warriors, by the way, Lakers, Kareem and the Magic had a year or two, they would probably be fourth over the Kobe Shack teams were very top heavy, whereas the kd Curry the Depths. I mean they had four starting Hall of Famers base. Yeah, but how would the Warriors. Shack would score sixty good and they would lose because three is more than two. And Curry, by the way, they had. That team had Derek Fisher could hit the three. K Kobe was All First Team defense. Listen, I love this topic, but you know what's gonna happen. Draymond Green's gonna be at the top of the key setting screens. And what is Shack gonna do sit in the middle of the paint because he can't guard to anybody on the perimeter. Ever, he's way too big. Kobe was Kobe All First Team NBA. So you had the best wing player in the league and the most dominant big. Yeah, that's never happened, has it in the history of the least two dudes? The Warriors, that team would eviscerate them. And I'm a big Lakers guy. I think the Lakers had a lot of game in the series. I mean, go back to that roster. But Derek Fisher was Robert Horry big shot. Yeah, very good fla Fisher, great three, he could hit threes. Yes, yeah, Rick Fox, I think, yeah, Rick Fox, Katie Veteran, go to Rick Fox and Bore. I get it. They could not sniff the Warriors with kd no shot. You'd have that, You'd have the genius Phil Jackson against He's a mentor of Steve car Steve Kerr would be shaking and nervously. I think you're trying to talk yourself into the college for one or four zero. No way, those the Shack Kobe teams. You had to see him on the floor. It's hard to explain. You could look at that and you got I'm looking at Phil Jackson, Shack and Kobe and and the role players were all good. Like if Derek Fisher's not on that team and asked to score somewhere else, he could so good. Ori go, what would what did Rick Fox average in Boston when they needed him to score? Wasn't he like seventeen a game? Am I out of my guard? There? Am I clothes? I don't have my Rick Fox? Dad? Yeah? They destroyed a bad Sixers team in the finals, remember Iverson, and well, you beat who you beat. They're on the schedule. I know. I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. That Cavs team without Kyrie, Matthew Delavadov and Lebron. They also beat the team with Kyrie and Lebron. One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. I'm trying to I'm having to set jamac and East Coaster. I'm trying to tell him there's always been an East Coast bias, right, Like we know this because the media is all the networks are all based in the East. You had to sit in an arena and watch Phil Jackson, Shack and Kobe in a series of very good guys. People forget the Derek Fisher, the Robert Or's, the Derek Fox when they when they Rick Fox. You go look at when they went sixteen and one of the playoffs most blowout wins. That team was shooting threes. That was like fifteen years before the league moved threes. They would play so well today that Laker team is an all time team. They were shooting. If you go back to that Sixers final, how many three pointers did they make in that final? I just had called it up. So the Lakers made thirty six threes in the final. That's ten years before the league moved into the three. And that's with Shack over five games. So thirty six okay, that's five seven threes a game. That's a that's a half for Steph Curry. Okay, the league wasn't shooting him then yet. So I'm saying is that team is arguably you could make an argument that's the best team ever because they would really struggle the Warriors have. First of all, the Warriors are the smallest team in the league and Shack is the most dominant big in the last thirty years, so it's a It's not a great matchup. And Kobe was also a nine time All defense. You put him on Curry, he wouldn't stop him. He'd make life miserable. Let's settle down that. Just to be clear. They actually went fifth teen in one because the first round was only a best of five, so they went fifteen and won. The Lakers with I'm sorry. The Warriors with Durant and Curry went sixteen and one. Their loan loss was when I believe the Cavs hit like ninety eight three pointers in one game. Remember Lebron went off. It was the greatest three point shooting game in like finals system. Yeah, I'm not I'm not discount I am saying the three greatest teams are the Kade Steph Warriors, shat Kobe Lakers, and then the MJ Bulls. But it does feel like that the Warrior Bowl teams are penciled in and people just sort of overlook Shaq Kobe. I'm not saying that as an LA guy. As much as Kareem and Magic teams were great, they don't age as well because the two best players didn't shoot threes. That's Shaq Kobe team. I think people forget. And a lot of this is because of Phil's triangle and the spacing on it. That team was shooting and hitting threes a lot of them ten to fifteen years before we even talked about that as part of the game. It's a big part. To be clear. The Jordan team you're talking about is the first three or the second three? Well, they're both there. You know, they're different teams. But I still got Michael and Scotty with both the rest of it. But the Rodman Kuko, Tony Couch, Yeah, he was good. He was arguably the best Euro at the time. And also I do think Rodman was you know, he was the uh appointment, he was the irritator. He well he was the Draymond Green better example. By the way, I don't remember perfectly, but there was an old Horace Grant. On those Laker teams, Rick Fox could be in your face guy. Well, I just think Rick average about fifteen sixteen for the Celtics. The Lakers didn't ask him to be that. So Rick was a guy that gave up. When Kevin Love played with Lebron, he gave up points. Bosh played with Lebron, gave up points. Now, now Fox didn't score to that level, but Rick gave up some of his game to be an instigator, a feisty he'd get in your face Rick. You know, Rick was more than good looking. He could play. He could and so the great teams Rodman Draymond, they've got a guy that just is a squeaky wheel. He's an annoyance. So that Laker team had that, they had you just it was impossible to defend him. You had to double or triple shack or he would just score. So you essentially it left all these Lakers Kobe, Derek or they were always wide open. And then you add Phil's dimension, the three, the triangle. You go look at highlights of those teams, people were flummixed. You didn't know what they were bored. They were so great. By the third title run, that those Laker teams. If you read Jeff Pearlman's book Three Ring Circus, they were bored. They were like, the biggest issue was is Kobe's ego and a shack? It wasn't about the league. Are we gonna blow up? The league was secondary. Nobody could. The only team that matched up with him was Portland because our vetus was good and she'd was unstood. They didn't have a forward to stop She'd all right, J Mack with the news, No, no, the news. This is the hard line funny because the way you wax poetic about a guy like Rick Fox, I think what he was solid, But on the seventy three win Warriors, Harrison Barnes was a better basketball player than Rick Fox and like every aspect practically, and we don't think of Harrison Barnes is good because they just jettiss him. He remember, this was one of the best high school players in the country. He goes to UNC, he's like a top ten pick. Here'son Barnes of Grially. He's on the Kings this year. They're winning a lot, but Harrison Barnes just gets lost in the shuffle and it's like Rick Fox, Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm just saying, great teams, if you look at them, always have players. The Bulls had Ron Harper. Yes, Ron Harper's an all star who said I'm gonna come here and be part of a team. Rick Fox more of a scorer with a Celtics be part of a team. Harrison Barnes gonna be part of a team. The great teams all time are so great. The one thing they all have in common is they have these peripheral players who pulled back. Ron Harper was a substantial scorer. When I think he played with the Clippers, he went it was like the fifth He was the fourth offensive option for the Bulls. He was like the Clippers, I think their first storing up. Yeah. I think he's with Kavs. He was good too. Um it's interesting you say because Kevin Love. Same deal with Lebron Chris Bosh, Yeah, same deal. A little sacrifice. They could have been better. Yeah. But the reason the Heatles don't match up as an all time team they had no size. There really no size, and that team was top heavy. That that team was three dudes, by the way, Souper three dudes and Rayal hitting a jumper. But that team was tiny, Joel Anthony, and I mean they were. They don't match up at all. Mario Chalmers back on here own never mind. Anyways, let's go to Lamar Jackson column. This is this is a great fine so um. One of the knocks that you've had on Lamar and a lot of people have, is he hasn't been able to stay healthy. Now remember this last season he was unhealthy. And then I'll never forget we talked about on the show. Adam Schefter said December twenty fourth, Lamar Jackson is expected back. He never returned. Yes, okay, So Lamar went on social media and was sparring with the unwashed masses, and here's what he had to say. I don't remember me sitting out on my guys week one verse the Jets to week twelve verse the Broncos. How come all of a sudden I sit out because of money in which I could have got hurt at any time within that timeframe, when we know the Super Bowl has been on my mind since April twenty eighteen. Let's get real. I'd rather have a one PCL than go out there and play horrible, forcing myself to put my guys in a bad situation. Now that's selfish to me. What Lamar is saying is that he was healthy and could have played and it was over money. So does that change your whole he's not available, he's missing X amount of games, Like maybe he didn't miss that many games. Maybe he was sitting out because of money late in the season. I don't like that either. Why they didn't pay him. He was being he had, you know, his fift year option. Yeah, I mean it's did he play for free? But I've gotten paid. He was an MVP, he was taking him to the playoffs. You pay your guy. Josh Allen got paid early, had a fifty year option guaranteed salary. You don't think Josh Allen and Mahomes were in the same both, they didn't they Josh Allen got paid. That's just because Josh Allen, who's never been hurt, is get Also, Denver won an MVP. I'm kind of with Lamar on this, Colin. I don't know if you've held basically in the middle of a show, if you're contract and you're being paid, you were being paid by Fox guaranteed, but you're not being paid what you want. Where jamat go is just not available my back. You know the chairs, that's what you're advocating. That's that's just your position. Maybe not me, but for Lamar Jackson, where you're healthy and you're a quarterback and you're being paid play, I could do TV radio for the next thirty years. Lamar's window is small. He's not NFL, not for long. Come on, Colin, come around on the No, you're healthy, you're being paid play. I got I got a sport called the NBA that already believes in your theory. I'd like to keep one that believes in mind, which is any employee being paid and healthy should go to work. Crazy mean Zady Colin? Yeah, well, whoa cowards? Way out there, healthy, being paid and go to work? Whoa hot take? I guess we disagree on this. I guess we disagree. Next up, Rod Rivera said this week the Commanders won't be going after Lamar Jackson. Instead, they'll have second year QB Sam Howell out of North Carolina and don't forget free agent addition Jacoby Brissette as their qub's next season. Ron Rivera expects to see shades of brock Purty from Howell in the future, maybe even go with Sam because we think Sam's gonna be a good football player. We really do. I don't think this is as much a wild shot as people think it is. And again, part of this because you're watching a young man like brock Purty have the season he had last year, and you would like to I think, Wow, we have a guy that's got the same type of ability and skill set time out Ron. Brock Purty is playing with an all star team, so they don't ask him to do any big lifts because Washington didn't have that personnel. So Sam Howe is gonna have to at some point carry a decent offense. Brock Purty just don't wreck the Mercedes. Didn't ask brock Purty to carry anything. Just drop back. Here's this scheme, deliver an accurate pass. Sam Howell does not have. He's gonna have a burden of carrying a franchise. Well wait a minute, he's got ter receiver. He's just played Devo, but he's up there. Johan Dotson was a good rookie. I mean high pick. Curtis Samuel very solid, that solid, good solid. They're gonna draft if you saw my mock draft, They're gonna draft Michael Mayer A notice solid good that guy. Yeah, yeah, you hear the nine Ers, the great Christian McCaffrey, the Great Debo, the Great Kittle, the Great Trent Williams, the Great Kyle Shanahan. You got solid guys. Well they got Charles Leno Junior at left, Brian robinstead of running back. I'm with you. Finally we agree on something. Geez Wednesday, Cal heard ordinary colin middle of the week. It's the rave got you down? Final story. Kevin Durant He's back in action tonight. Oh my gosh. Yeah, he'd missed ten games with the ankles. You know, he turned it in that layoup line. Finally ready to return tonight against the Timberwolves. Oh, I'm watching he is home debut with the Suns. I love how our video people keep pulling the nit hats since you like went on a rant about how that so I didn't know he was making his debut tonight at home. He's supposed to be well. Last time he tried to remember the ankle in the layup line. Watch him to skip the layup line tonight before the game. J Mack with the News. Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd to shoot your score with consumers Cellular Switch saved two hundred and fifty bucks a year, Talk techt data starting limited time offer twenty five dollars off at consumer celller dot com Slash the Herd promo called The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdayson nowon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Hi. This is Jay Glazer. And you may know me for the world of football or fighting or even shows like HBO's Ballers. Well you don't know is for my entire life. I have lived in something I refer to as the gray depression anxiety. So now I'm coming out with a new podcast, Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer where each week, well we talk about mental health. I hope to describe it, give it words. 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Remember, on average this year in the NFL, there were four lousy teams Houston, Chicago, Arizona Colts. That's about the league average. There's numbers we know are true in the NFL. Seven to eight coaches will be replaced. There'll be about four lousy teams a year. Half the playoff teams won't make it the following year. Those numbers are they go on forever, right, So next year, we know there's some bad teams potentially Carolining rook quarterback, Houston, rookie quarterback Indie, Arizona. But Carolina Houston, Indie are taking quarterbacks this year, we presume, and Arizona's not drafting him because of Kyler Murray's contract. So the Jets in Atlanta look like two teams. If the Jets played Zach Wilson, Atlanta plays Desmond Ritter would have a little bit of a pop gun offense in an offensive league. They've got some talent, but probably win five games. A lot of the other teams that could potentially be bad again next year, Houston will have drafted a quarterback, maybe a Carolina will have drafted a quarterback. Colts will have potentially drafted a quarterback, and the other teams that may need a quarterback are going to be far behind the Jets. So when you got at Drake May at Carolina and at Kayla Williams at USC those are a plus prospects. Doesn't mean they're going to be superstars. But I've said before Andrew luck I said it two years before he came out, was a can't miss. Trevor Lauren to me, was a can't miss. Caleb Williams to me, looks like pretty close to a can't miss. Probably need to see a little more of Drake may Bud. He looks special. So I think that is a backup plan. I think it's a viable one. You know, what was that campaign years ago in Indie Suck for Luck? That was the campaign. It worked. If Andrew Luck had a GM that surrounded him with protection upfront, he'd still be in the league and they would be winning division titles. So you can go in on Lamar, You can go in a lot of directions. But if the worst thing that happens is you're like, yeah, the errand thing doesn't work, he goes back to the Packers or retires. In the AFC, Jets could be a five win team. Doesn't mean to get blow out of Ton Zach Wilson would probably be better. But it's just a year, that's all it is. It's just a year. They're not doing that, dude. Come on, I'm looking at the Andrew Lucks that you So. The year before Luck arrived, Peyton Manning had that surgery situation. He was on a franchise tag and he was slated to play but then all of a sudden, they're like, oh, he's gonna be inactive. He was never placed on IR. So it was a soft tank because you had a Hall of Famer who was like, Okay, we're gonna sit him out, we're gonna sit about, we're gonna sit him out. And then when you realize we're awful, let's just get Andrew Luck. You can't do that with the Jets. You cannot say we're going to the season with Zach Wilson. No fans will show up, ticket sales will crater, it will be a disaster for the business. The coach and GM will be fired. It ain't happening, and good luck. Hour three as around the Corner and La answer heard

Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern, nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Somebody told me they shut down the freeway to Daniel all the accidents. I don't know if that can't be true. Right I'm here, I don't know. It is bad, bad, bad bad. When I got up at six in the morning, multiple rest a lot of good things about California rain. Nobody's quite sure how to handle it. We don't do well here for the rain. He said, bad, bad, bad. I think you're talking about the Lamar Jackson six weeks. Oh, it's damn and it is bad. I found an awesome quote that sums it up, Are you righty? Yeah. In the absence of information, people make stuff up. Just we don't know. There's so much we don't know about the Lamar Jackson situation right now, and it's really killing Lamar. He's got to step up and do something to him. He's just getting hammered right now and nobody's stopping the leading column. So the other quarterback situation that's interesting is San Francisco brock Purdy. John Lynch said this week he'd probably the number one starter. He was seven and oh in games last year, or his elbow didn't break, but they invested a lot of draft capital to get Trey Lance. He also got hurt and he struggled when he was in, completing fifty five percent of his throws in four games, four appearances. And so Jed Yorke says, you know, despite all the doubts on Trey Lance, he wouldn't change a thing, change anything that we've made about the decision with Trey. I think Trey has a chance to be great. But it's it's a bonus when you get somebody at the end of the seventh round that ends up coming in and being very impactful for your team. And I mean I've said it multiple times with quarterbacks, whether it was Alex and capf you know, I mean watching Jimmy and Jimmy and Trey and now you know Brock and Trey and Sam. You can't have enough good quarterbacks. First of all, the quarterback draft class Trey came out of, we predicted Trevor Lawrence would emerge very quickly as the best. True. We said that Mac Jones should work, but have a low ceiling. True, I felt Zach Wilson bus potential true, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, love the kids, love the potential. We didn't think either were great enough to overcome chaos. So far, Justin Fields hasn't been great enough to do that. Trey Lance, we just don't. We don't know a lot. You haven't played very much. But if you go back to the twenty twenty one draft class, here is what we absolutely have so far. One star, one who's capable, one who's a bust, and two we're not quite sure that is the historic average. You get about one star, a bust, a guy that's good enough to start, and then you got to watch how it works out for a couple, and that would be Trey Lance and Justin Fields. But I'll say this, and I'll always always respect people for taking big swings. Luca Kyrie took a big swing. I didn't think it would work, but it was a big swing. Is that the Niners needed to take a swing because they had Jimmy Garoppolo and Mac Jones was just Jimmy Garoppolo, not a great arm, not a great mover, good at the line of scrimmage, limited athletically. They had that. They had that they wanted to take a big swing. Secondly, they had a loaded roster and had had success, but they lost to the Holmes and they were worried about having a great roster without some juice or a special quarterback. So they weren't gonna get Trevor Lawrence. He went number one, they weren't going to get him. And the Jets were all in on Zach Wilson. So they were left with a Jimmy Garoppolo duplicate, you know, a guy that's okay, or Justin Fields or Trey Lance. And they took a big swing. It's what they had to do. And I'm okay with that. I said before, I don't think Kyrie and Luca because neither plays defense or a championship team. I thought it would be fun. I thought it would be dynamic. I think you have to at some point appease Luca. I like the swing. I got no problem with Trey Lance right now. In all likelihood, he's going to get one more shot because Brock Purdy, according to reports, won't be ready for the opener, and if that's the case, you're not going to go Sam Darnold. If he's healthy, Trey's gonna get a shot. So far in four games. The throwing part they've struggled with. But Kevin Demoff, who is a big shot for the LA Rams, came out and told Mike Silver at the San Francisco Chronicle. He said, we got a new way of general managers, and they're willing to be more aggressive. If we penalize them for their aggressiveness when a decision doesn't work out, our league will suffer as a whole. When you have a team with as many good players as the Niners, you made a lot more right decisions than wrong decisions. Gotta take big swings, and I completely utterly agree. Don't have a problem at all what Trey Lance. We still don't know how it's gonna end. He's gonna get one more good shot. But if you start looking around at that draft class, it gave us a star, a bust, a capable and two. We don't know that's generally how it works if you have four or five in the first round. Nick Wright would be a first round or co host First Things First, joining us Live. So were we listened to the Matt Lafleur quotes on Jordan Love. They weren't exactly Holmes life There, let's progression, let's let's temper our enthusiasm. I'm like, okay, so we don't have Patrick or Josh Allen. What is your guess on Jordan Love today, Nick, Oh, listen. I think that he should. He projects out to be a league average starter. I don't think he'll be a bust. I think he'll be fine. I think sitting. I think the stability of the Packers organization actually has been helpful, and I think there is a chance that the Packers next year win that division if Detroit doesn't take the big leap. Everyone seems to be anticipating that they are going to take. But I don't think moving to Jordan Love was about Jordan Love, Colin. I think it was about they had to get out of the Aaron Rodgers business. I I you know, I saw Mark Tauscher, I think it was former Rogers teammate saying that Rogers the entire relationship was ruined with how they treated Jordy Nelson, and then it really was finalized with the draft pick of Jordan Love, which I would agree with. It's like the marriage never got over, you know, when there was an instance of infidelity. But if in between the infidelity and the divorce, you guys renew your vows in front of all your family and friends, I'm gonna say, well, something good happened. He signed a contract extension after all of this. It's like, oh, it's ruined. I it never worked. I'll take one hundred and fifty million. And then for Rogers to go on McAfee and to say I want direct communication. I need direct communication, and then guden Kun's to come out and say, dude won't answer our calls or texts. I'm going to trust that Brian guden Koune's selling the truth there, in which case it's another instance of Aaron Rodgers misleading us. Yeah, and I think the Packers just said we can't go forward with this guy with our entire franchise at his whims, especially when last season he did look like a significantly declining player. You know, I said earlier today on the show, Nick, there's five quarterbacks. If they were available on the market, there would be a mad scramble to get him. Mahomes, Alan Herbert, Trevor, Lawrence, Joe Burrow. I said, oh, Joe Burrow, Yeah, half the league would call. Then there's another four to five guys. Lamar's in this group. There's gonna be interest, But there's a concern. Jalen Hurts has only had one great year. Stafford got old fast, Aaron's prickly a Lamar last twenty two games, He's missed ten and you say to yourself, that's not fair. But if I'd have made that list up a year ago, Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray would have been in the first or second group. Two years ago, Deshaun Watson would have been in the first and second group. And things Nick change. And I do think with Lamar or the noisiness and the injuries scare people, don't they? And here listen, I think many teams should be going after Lamar Jackson. I think it's crazy that the Patriots and the Falcons are just ruling themselves out. I think the cult should be going after Lamar Jackson. I believe all of that to be true. I also believe that there are well founded reasons why people would have some trepidation because of if we are going to count the reasons the injuries, there's one. A second one is I don't think he has handled this entire process like a CEO of your franchise type. I think the stuff with the business partner, it's like, no, this guy doesn't represent me. But here's the home gym. It's like, hm, he tweeted out, here's where you can get all your Lamar Jackson news. I know this is gonna sound petty, but I think it probably matters. That is a poorly made website looks like a Geocity's page from twenty years ago. It's like that, doesn't you got You're trying to brand yourself here as the face of an next franchise, and here is where I think the Lamar Jackson got. I'll throw one other thing out there, and again, maybe this sounds petty, but if I were running a team, it would at least call some trepidation. He gets sick a lot. Yeah, Like I'm not talking about injured. I'm talking about sick, and it's like, is there. I know there was some speculation that his sleep schedule or nutrition is off. Those are all things that at least give me some pause. I think there has been in some corners of the media some hesitation to be anything but full blown supportive of Lamar because he was so unfairly criticized early and coming into the league, and so much of it felt obviously racial that I think well intentioned people want to make sure they don't get painted with that brush that they are not saying what they truly believe, which is while Lamar Jackson is clearly one of the ten best quarterbacks in the league and clearly should have a stronger market than we are currently seeing, it might be materializing if he was conducting his business the way it looks like Jalen Hurtz conducts his It might be materializing. If he had a professional team around him helping him through this. It is not a no risk proposition. I will say one other thing about it. I understand why Lamar wants the Deshaun Watson deal, but if we all in the media agree that was a disastrous deal for the Browns, they gave up too much. They paid too much. I understand why other teams or the Ravens would be saying we are not going to follow the pattern of a poorly run team that made a bad decision. I get why Lamar wants it, but I get why other places would be hesitant to give it. So I was talking about this earlier. The greatest boxer of all time heavyweight is Muhammad Ali, and the reason is because of his footwork, his speed, his power, his IQ, his psychological effect on opponents. It transcends time. He would have been good seventy years ago. He'd be dominant today. I believe Walter Peyton's the best running back I've ever seen. Why because his power, his speed, his inability run over you, run past you, run through you. I think he'd be as good a running back as the league has today. What when you talk about the greatest, not all time great the greatest, you have to consider could they plan any era. That's why I think Larry Bird ages brilliantly because even today the game he was almost European before European ball handling, shooting, passing, he was so highly skilled as a forward. So I put the all time starting five up for me and I see I see Jordan's you can't retract him Lebron and Kareem. I do think Yannis, we may get to a point in six years with Yannis and Larry Bird. You're like, we gotta put him somewhere. But I said this about Steph Curry. Magic and Steph were both poor defenders. But ten years ago the game changed, and the more it changes to a shooters league in twenty years, it's gonna age much more towards Steph Curry than Magic, who I loved and I watched Curry, you know last night, eight threes, eight rebounds. It's unbelievable, by the way. So I'm just gonna throw this out there. I do think Steph could unseat Magic in three or four years. More titles, more scoring. Is it off the table for you? Well, I don't think he's gonna get more titles. Magic's got five and so Steph would have to get to six. Here's what I it's not off the board. And I'm glad you posed it like this. And then I don't know if you want to talk Shack, because there's a funny shack argument for your center spot. But on Magic, I just want the audience to understand what Magic Johnson, who he was as a basketball player. Forget what he did in college, the amazing resume, and forget even year one as a rookie throwing up a forty two fifteen and seven to win the title. Magic Johnson played twelve years in the league before he had to retire due to HIV. In those twelve seasons, he was Top three MVP nine times, He was First Team All NBA nine times. He made the NBA Finals nine times, so seventy five percent of his years his team was in the finals, and he was considered at the end of the year either the best, the second best of the third best player in the league. He won the MVP Award three times, he won five rings, and then he retired fresh off the finals appearance and missed four years and his first game back I think had nineteen seven and ten at thirty six years old, overweight, having missed four seasons. So magic again because he missed that time. Yes, when the door is open, yes, but people need to understand a lot of people believe the eighties was the hardest era of basketball. Michael Jordan won one playoff game his first three years in the league. In the brutal East in the eighties. Magic Johnson helped run rough shot over that decade. So yes, Steph has work to do. But to me, what Steph has done is put himself in that not in the conversation of the all time pantheon, but right there. And the guys he is chasing now to me are Shack and a Kim and Kobe and Bird. Those are the next guys up before you get to Duncan and Magic and of course Kareem, Michael and Lebron. Yeah, I say Kareem's the greatest center ever. Russell has the most titles as a big and a player, but Wilt and Shack, despite being distracted for big chunks of their career, were probably the most gifted. But focus matters. It's Brady's the goat, and Lebron arguably is They're so laser focused. Lebron, Brady and Kobe in their prime, all it was was sports then Brady late, Lebron late Kobe post then they moved into Hollywood in business. But Shack is doing Blue Chips year two and Kazam three years later. And the downside of that is Kareem wasn't mostly Kareem was you know, first of all, he played twenty years. So you're Shack said this week he was jealous of Lebron when he had the scoring title. What was your take on that? Well, I understand that, and I think it is a testament to Shack's greatness that he is one of the twelve greatest players ever has the most dominant three year finals stretch. I mean, the guy was thirty five and sixteen over three consecutive finals, and he didn't achieve his full potential. And does that make like he was that great and that productive and he could have been better? The argument for Shack is a different type of argument because there is no argument he's the best ever. There is no credible argument that he's better than Kareem. Kreem's got six MVPs Kareem. But but the argument for Shack is this, Colin, and I say this obviously as the Lebron guy. If the question is I get one player all time for one game and I am guaranteed that they are the peak of their powers, is Shaquille O'Neal the number one draft pick ever? And I think the answer to that might be yes. I think that eight. Even though I have a Cheam ahead of him and Bird and Duncan and Kobe, all these guys. If the question is for one game or even one series, you I can have Apex, Michael Apex, Bron Apex, Kareem Apex, Shack who can be You know, he averaged I think it was thirty eight and seventeen against the Sixers in those finals, who had the defensive player of the year to Kim Bay Mutumbo. If you are giving me Apex Shaquille O'Neill, that might be my number one draft pick. But the body of work is not enough. He wasn't at that Apex long enough for him to be considered the greatest ever. But that is his argument right there for the record that there's the similar argument with Tyson. If you got Tyson when he had custom models, that's right when he had really capable people in the corner and was ascending and it wasn't the circus later for one fight against all ee Well, I mean it, And it's also the argument. It's the argument right now for Patrick in football. Yeah, if you were to tell me I get one quarterback all time for a game at his Apex, I think, unquestionably you'd rather have Mahomes than Brady, but for the totality of the career, it's obviously Brady for at least another I don't know. Once Patrick wins three in a row Colin and has an undefeated season, will that put him over it is he after the summarings, I'm not sure, but what we'll see. But yeah, the apex versus the totality is the question, and Tyson's a great argument there. Okay, we got a minute left. Let's pivot back to football. Aaron Rodgers. I don't get the Super Bowl stuff at all. He's proven when he gets a new system, it generally takes him a year to ramp up. Even with Hackett and Green Bay with a great old line stability, it took him a year to really crank up. I think they're going to be a nine and eight, ten and seven team if Aaron got there. That feels right to me. What say you? Yeah? I don't get it. I understand why the Jets are doing it. They haven't had consecutive years of high quality quarterbacking, arguably since namth so I get why they feel like we gotta do this. Yeah, but I would to me they are They're in their own Division. They're not better than Buffalo, they probably aren't better than Miami. And if the Patriots were to get Lamar, which they should, I don't know if they will. I don't know that I have them above New England. I just don't know what the model is for a clearly deteriorating player to then immediately, at this age bounce back. I understand some would say, well, what about Farv, and I guess that would be the argument. He's following that same trajectory. But Farv also was one of one as far as I don't even know if it's how he took care of his body, but just what he was, how tough he wasn't what he was able to play through. To me, the age was less of a factor. I don't get it. I don't understand the smoke or the steam with the Jets at all, and I don't think they're making the right decision in handing the franchise over to a guy who does not seem to be reliable at this point. Nick Wright, first things first, after us as always, Buddy, great, seeing you you too, great talking to count Yeah, the shack, that's a really fun argument. One game Prime, one series, Prime Shack was over. I you know, I was in the stands for that Laker Blazer series where the Blazers had leads in almost every game. Lakers couldn't stop. Rashid Wallace went to a Game seven at Staples. One of the best game, probably the best basketball game I've ever been to live. And it's hard. Arvitas Sabonis was so big, so I covered him in Portland. Arvitas why always said he was a refrigerator with a head. You stand next to him. He was so large and so big and so wide, and he took his shirt off during that series. You know, I'm in the locker room and he's got like holes and blood. And that's what facing Shack was like. A Shacked today against all the eurocenters. I mean when Shack's early days running the floor, You've just never seen anything like it. How's this prime Shack or prime e Lajah One? Well Shack again, think well, A Keem out played him. A Keem's game was different. It was very technical in his footwork, but as an overpowering force of nature, Shack was an avalanche. I mean, you could not stop it. He was in the finals when Elijah one Ate his lunch, but it was a little younger Shack back. Yeah, I know, Shack is domin Like if you lived in LA during the Shack Kobe years, I did not, but I love that team. Yeah, yeah, it's it's the there's three teams in my life in the NBA that have an argument that they're the greatest ever. Jordan's Bulls, Shack, Kobe with a great coach, and then the Kevin Durant Steph Clay first couple years. There's no fourth. I don't want to hear about anybody else. The Celtic teams were very very they'd before the bird McHale though, when they brought Walton in for that year or two, that's four. But the problem with the Kobe Shack versus the Durant Curry Warriors, by the way, Lakers, Kareem and the Magic had a year or two, they would probably be fourth over the Kobe Shack teams were very top heavy, whereas the kd Curry the Depths. I mean they had four starting Hall of Famers base. Yeah, but how would the Warriors. Shack would score sixty good and they would lose because three is more than two. And Curry, by the way, they had. That team had Derek Fisher could hit the three. K Kobe was All First Team defense. Listen, I love this topic, but you know what's gonna happen. Draymond Green's gonna be at the top of the key setting screens. And what is Shack gonna do sit in the middle of the paint because he can't guard to anybody on the perimeter. Ever, he's way too big. Kobe was Kobe All First Team NBA. So you had the best wing player in the league and the most dominant big. Yeah, that's never happened, has it in the history of the least two dudes? The Warriors, that team would eviscerate them. And I'm a big Lakers guy. I think the Lakers had a lot of game in the series. I mean, go back to that roster. But Derek Fisher was Robert Horry big shot. Yeah, very good fla Fisher, great three, he could hit threes. Yes, yeah, Rick Fox, I think, yeah, Rick Fox, Katie Veteran, go to Rick Fox and Bore. I get it. They could not sniff the Warriors with kd no shot. You'd have that, You'd have the genius Phil Jackson against He's a mentor of Steve car Steve Kerr would be shaking and nervously. I think you're trying to talk yourself into the college for one or four zero. No way, those the Shack Kobe teams. You had to see him on the floor. It's hard to explain. You could look at that and you got I'm looking at Phil Jackson, Shack and Kobe and and the role players were all good. Like if Derek Fisher's not on that team and asked to score somewhere else, he could so good. Ori go, what would what did Rick Fox average in Boston when they needed him to score? Wasn't he like seventeen a game? Am I out of my guard? There? Am I clothes? I don't have my Rick Fox? Dad? Yeah? They destroyed a bad Sixers team in the finals, remember Iverson, and well, you beat who you beat. They're on the schedule. I know. I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. That Cavs team without Kyrie, Matthew Delavadov and Lebron. They also beat the team with Kyrie and Lebron. One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. I'm trying to I'm having to set jamac and East Coaster. I'm trying to tell him there's always been an East Coast bias, right, Like we know this because the media is all the networks are all based in the East. You had to sit in an arena and watch Phil Jackson, Shack and Kobe in a series of very good guys. People forget the Derek Fisher, the Robert Or's, the Derek Fox when they when they Rick Fox. You go look at when they went sixteen and one of the playoffs most blowout wins. That team was shooting threes. That was like fifteen years before the league moved threes. They would play so well today that Laker team is an all time team. They were shooting. If you go back to that Sixers final, how many three pointers did they make in that final? I just had called it up. So the Lakers made thirty six threes in the final. That's ten years before the league moved into the three. And that's with Shack over five games. So thirty six okay, that's five seven threes a game. That's a that's a half for Steph Curry. Okay, the league wasn't shooting him then yet. So I'm saying is that team is arguably you could make an argument that's the best team ever because they would really struggle the Warriors have. First of all, the Warriors are the smallest team in the league and Shack is the most dominant big in the last thirty years, so it's a It's not a great matchup. And Kobe was also a nine time All defense. You put him on Curry, he wouldn't stop him. He'd make life miserable. Let's settle down that. Just to be clear. They actually went fifth teen in one because the first round was only a best of five, so they went fifteen and won. The Lakers with I'm sorry. The Warriors with Durant and Curry went sixteen and one. Their loan loss was when I believe the Cavs hit like ninety eight three pointers in one game. Remember Lebron went off. It was the greatest three point shooting game in like finals system. Yeah, I'm not I'm not discount I am saying the three greatest teams are the Kade Steph Warriors, shat Kobe Lakers, and then the MJ Bulls. But it does feel like that the Warrior Bowl teams are penciled in and people just sort of overlook Shaq Kobe. I'm not saying that as an LA guy. As much as Kareem and Magic teams were great, they don't age as well because the two best players didn't shoot threes. That's Shaq Kobe team. I think people forget. And a lot of this is because of Phil's triangle and the spacing on it. That team was shooting and hitting threes a lot of them ten to fifteen years before we even talked about that as part of the game. It's a big part. To be clear. The Jordan team you're talking about is the first three or the second three? Well, they're both there. You know, they're different teams. But I still got Michael and Scotty with both the rest of it. But the Rodman Kuko, Tony Couch, Yeah, he was good. He was arguably the best Euro at the time. And also I do think Rodman was you know, he was the uh appointment, he was the irritator. He well he was the Draymond Green better example. By the way, I don't remember perfectly, but there was an old Horace Grant. On those Laker teams, Rick Fox could be in your face guy. Well, I just think Rick average about fifteen sixteen for the Celtics. The Lakers didn't ask him to be that. So Rick was a guy that gave up. When Kevin Love played with Lebron, he gave up points. Bosh played with Lebron, gave up points. Now, now Fox didn't score to that level, but Rick gave up some of his game to be an instigator, a feisty he'd get in your face Rick. You know, Rick was more than good looking. He could play. He could and so the great teams Rodman Draymond, they've got a guy that just is a squeaky wheel. He's an annoyance. So that Laker team had that, they had you just it was impossible to defend him. You had to double or triple shack or he would just score. So you essentially it left all these Lakers Kobe, Derek or they were always wide open. And then you add Phil's dimension, the three, the triangle. You go look at highlights of those teams, people were flummixed. You didn't know what they were bored. They were so great. By the third title run, that those Laker teams. If you read Jeff Pearlman's book Three Ring Circus, they were bored. They were like, the biggest issue was is Kobe's ego and a shack? It wasn't about the league. Are we gonna blow up? The league was secondary. Nobody could. The only team that matched up with him was Portland because our vetus was good and she'd was unstood. They didn't have a forward to stop She'd all right, J Mack with the news, No, no, the news. This is the hard line funny because the way you wax poetic about a guy like Rick Fox, I think what he was solid, But on the seventy three win Warriors, Harrison Barnes was a better basketball player than Rick Fox and like every aspect practically, and we don't think of Harrison Barnes is good because they just jettiss him. He remember, this was one of the best high school players in the country. He goes to UNC, he's like a top ten pick. Here'son Barnes of Grially. He's on the Kings this year. They're winning a lot, but Harrison Barnes just gets lost in the shuffle and it's like Rick Fox, Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm just saying, great teams, if you look at them, always have players. The Bulls had Ron Harper. Yes, Ron Harper's an all star who said I'm gonna come here and be part of a team. Rick Fox more of a scorer with a Celtics be part of a team. Harrison Barnes gonna be part of a team. The great teams all time are so great. The one thing they all have in common is they have these peripheral players who pulled back. Ron Harper was a substantial scorer. When I think he played with the Clippers, he went it was like the fifth He was the fourth offensive option for the Bulls. He was like the Clippers, I think their first storing up. Yeah. I think he's with Kavs. He was good too. Um it's interesting you say because Kevin Love. Same deal with Lebron Chris Bosh, Yeah, same deal. A little sacrifice. They could have been better. Yeah. But the reason the Heatles don't match up as an all time team they had no size. There really no size, and that team was top heavy. That that team was three dudes, by the way, Souper three dudes and Rayal hitting a jumper. But that team was tiny, Joel Anthony, and I mean they were. They don't match up at all. Mario Chalmers back on here own never mind. Anyways, let's go to Lamar Jackson column. This is this is a great fine so um. One of the knocks that you've had on Lamar and a lot of people have, is he hasn't been able to stay healthy. Now remember this last season he was unhealthy. And then I'll never forget we talked about on the show. Adam Schefter said December twenty fourth, Lamar Jackson is expected back. He never returned. Yes, okay, So Lamar went on social media and was sparring with the unwashed masses, and here's what he had to say. I don't remember me sitting out on my guys week one verse the Jets to week twelve verse the Broncos. How come all of a sudden I sit out because of money in which I could have got hurt at any time within that timeframe, when we know the Super Bowl has been on my mind since April twenty eighteen. Let's get real. I'd rather have a one PCL than go out there and play horrible, forcing myself to put my guys in a bad situation. Now that's selfish to me. What Lamar is saying is that he was healthy and could have played and it was over money. So does that change your whole he's not available, he's missing X amount of games, Like maybe he didn't miss that many games. Maybe he was sitting out because of money late in the season. I don't like that either. Why they didn't pay him. He was being he had, you know, his fift year option. Yeah, I mean it's did he play for free? But I've gotten paid. He was an MVP, he was taking him to the playoffs. You pay your guy. Josh Allen got paid early, had a fifty year option guaranteed salary. You don't think Josh Allen and Mahomes were in the same both, they didn't they Josh Allen got paid. That's just because Josh Allen, who's never been hurt, is get Also, Denver won an MVP. I'm kind of with Lamar on this, Colin. I don't know if you've held basically in the middle of a show, if you're contract and you're being paid, you were being paid by Fox guaranteed, but you're not being paid what you want. Where jamat go is just not available my back. You know the chairs, that's what you're advocating. That's that's just your position. Maybe not me, but for Lamar Jackson, where you're healthy and you're a quarterback and you're being paid play, I could do TV radio for the next thirty years. Lamar's window is small. He's not NFL, not for long. Come on, Colin, come around on the No, you're healthy, you're being paid play. I got I got a sport called the NBA that already believes in your theory. I'd like to keep one that believes in mind, which is any employee being paid and healthy should go to work. Crazy mean Zady Colin? Yeah, well, whoa cowards? Way out there, healthy, being paid and go to work? Whoa hot take? I guess we disagree on this. I guess we disagree. Next up, Rod Rivera said this week the Commanders won't be going after Lamar Jackson. Instead, they'll have second year QB Sam Howell out of North Carolina and don't forget free agent addition Jacoby Brissette as their qub's next season. Ron Rivera expects to see shades of brock Purty from Howell in the future, maybe even go with Sam because we think Sam's gonna be a good football player. We really do. I don't think this is as much a wild shot as people think it is. And again, part of this because you're watching a young man like brock Purty have the season he had last year, and you would like to I think, Wow, we have a guy that's got the same type of ability and skill set time out Ron. Brock Purty is playing with an all star team, so they don't ask him to do any big lifts because Washington didn't have that personnel. So Sam Howe is gonna have to at some point carry a decent offense. Brock Purty just don't wreck the Mercedes. Didn't ask brock Purty to carry anything. Just drop back. Here's this scheme, deliver an accurate pass. Sam Howell does not have. He's gonna have a burden of carrying a franchise. Well wait a minute, he's got ter receiver. He's just played Devo, but he's up there. Johan Dotson was a good rookie. I mean high pick. Curtis Samuel very solid, that solid, good solid. They're gonna draft if you saw my mock draft, They're gonna draft Michael Mayer A notice solid good that guy. Yeah, yeah, you hear the nine Ers, the great Christian McCaffrey, the Great Debo, the Great Kittle, the Great Trent Williams, the Great Kyle Shanahan. You got solid guys. Well they got Charles Leno Junior at left, Brian robinstead of running back. I'm with you. Finally we agree on something. Geez Wednesday, Cal heard ordinary colin middle of the week. It's the rave got you down? Final story. Kevin Durant He's back in action tonight. Oh my gosh. Yeah, he'd missed ten games with the ankles. You know, he turned it in that layoup line. Finally ready to return tonight against the Timberwolves. Oh, I'm watching he is home debut with the Suns. I love how our video people keep pulling the nit hats since you like went on a rant about how that so I didn't know he was making his debut tonight at home. He's supposed to be well. Last time he tried to remember the ankle in the layup line. Watch him to skip the layup line tonight before the game. J Mack with the News. Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd to shoot your score with consumers Cellular Switch saved two hundred and fifty bucks a year, Talk techt data starting limited time offer twenty five dollars off at consumer celller dot com Slash the Herd promo called The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdayson nowon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Hi. This is Jay Glazer. And you may know me for the world of football or fighting or even shows like HBO's Ballers. Well you don't know is for my entire life. I have lived in something I refer to as the gray depression anxiety. So now I'm coming out with a new podcast, Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer where each week, well we talk about mental health. I hope to describe it, give it words. 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Remember, on average this year in the NFL, there were four lousy teams Houston, Chicago, Arizona Colts. That's about the league average. There's numbers we know are true in the NFL. Seven to eight coaches will be replaced. There'll be about four lousy teams a year. Half the playoff teams won't make it the following year. Those numbers are they go on forever, right, So next year, we know there's some bad teams potentially Carolining rook quarterback, Houston, rookie quarterback Indie, Arizona. But Carolina Houston, Indie are taking quarterbacks this year, we presume, and Arizona's not drafting him because of Kyler Murray's contract. So the Jets in Atlanta look like two teams. If the Jets played Zach Wilson, Atlanta plays Desmond Ritter would have a little bit of a pop gun offense in an offensive league. They've got some talent, but probably win five games. A lot of the other teams that could potentially be bad again next year, Houston will have drafted a quarterback, maybe a Carolina will have drafted a quarterback. Colts will have potentially drafted a quarterback, and the other teams that may need a quarterback are going to be far behind the Jets. So when you got at Drake May at Carolina and at Kayla Williams at USC those are a plus prospects. Doesn't mean they're going to be superstars. But I've said before Andrew luck I said it two years before he came out, was a can't miss. Trevor Lauren to me, was a can't miss. Caleb Williams to me, looks like pretty close to a can't miss. Probably need to see a little more of Drake may Bud. He looks special. So I think that is a backup plan. I think it's a viable one. You know, what was that campaign years ago in Indie Suck for Luck? That was the campaign. It worked. If Andrew Luck had a GM that surrounded him with protection upfront, he'd still be in the league and they would be winning division titles. So you can go in on Lamar, You can go in a lot of directions. But if the worst thing that happens is you're like, yeah, the errand thing doesn't work, he goes back to the Packers or retires. In the AFC, Jets could be a five win team. Doesn't mean to get blow out of Ton Zach Wilson would probably be better. But it's just a year, that's all it is. It's just a year. They're not doing that, dude. Come on, I'm looking at the Andrew Lucks that you So. The year before Luck arrived, Peyton Manning had that surgery situation. He was on a franchise tag and he was slated to play but then all of a sudden, they're like, oh, he's gonna be inactive. He was never placed on IR. So it was a soft tank because you had a Hall of Famer who was like, Okay, we're gonna sit him out, we're gonna sit about, we're gonna sit him out. And then when you realize we're awful, let's just get Andrew Luck. You can't do that with the Jets. You cannot say we're going to the season with Zach Wilson. No fans will show up, ticket sales will crater, it will be a disaster for the business. The coach and GM will be fired. It ain't happening, and good luck. Hour three as around the Corner and La answer heard