Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern, nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What Up? Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be in however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottlie in for Colin Cowherd. On a Thursday. On a Thursday, we got college basketball at jim Beeheim, retiring Bill self in the hospital, teams playing as we speak, lots of money to be made or lost. Actually, Carry Irving had something really interesting to stay in regards to gambling and sports, and I find myself agreeing with Kyrie Irving. I know, right, It's like it like Kyrie is not crazy, but it does. It's what it's like, you're walking down the street and you see a guy who's clearly out there and he says something and it resonates with You're like, you know what, He's right. I feel like that I got something I'll play for you later that Kyrie Irving said on social media that you may do that. Let's talk some Lamar Jackson, shall we. I don't know if you listen to my show, if you'd give it a listen, it's the Doug Otlip Show. It follows this show daily on Fox Sports traded the iHeart Radio app. You can also download the podcast format of it as well. And we've been kind of tracking this all season because it's really easy just use social media to follow Lamar Jackson. You know, he doesn't have an agent, so by not having an agent, we haven't had any leaks from Lamar in regards to what his thoughts and plans and you know what's really going on. That was why there were no real leaks in the in the injury. Is he really hurt? Can he come back and play? And then finally Lamar took to social media. But in the process, Lamar told you a long time ago that he felt like if you didn't want to pay him two hundred and fifty million dollars, you didn't love Lamar. That's how he looks at this thing, don't you know. It's the old don't tell me you're pregnant, show me the baby, and tell me you love me, show me the money, and the argument has merit from this from the standpoint, if you compare him to Deshaun Watson, he has an MVP. Deshaun just not. He's never had to sustain a major catastrophic injury. Deshaun's torn his ACL twice, once in college, once in the pros. I believe they have the same number of playoff wins. And he's never had any of the off the field trouble that Deshaun has had. So if you compare, like if you're doing humps right, well, his house is three thousand feet in my house is three thousand feet. You got a pull, I got a pull. You're on the we're on the same street. I'm actually actually at the end of a cul de sac. Even better, all right, there's open space behind mine. Mine's a better builder, we got a better open floor plan, all these other things like yeah, and the problem is that the rest of the houses on the street didn't sell for what that one outlier house was. And I don't know how to tell you this, but your house hasn't been kept up nearly as well. You've had issues with the foundation, Like, what do you mean, Well, Lamar won the MVP three years ago, he hadn't been the same guy since now. You can say his team hasn't been the same since. That'd be fair, But a big reason is he hasn't been the same since. He just hasn't. He's still effective, but this past year he was the most inaccurate starting quarterback in the NFL. There's an actual advanced stats to show that. Now. Again, still effective because he's arguably, maybe inarguably the best running quarterback we've ever seen. All Right, but there's the there's this sticky part to it. You didn't have an agent and you're like, well, what does that mean? Well, there's two different levels to it. One, your feelings can get hurt if you're sitting in on a meeting or your mom's sitting in on a meeting and they're talking to you about why they don't want to give you the biggest contract in the history of the sport, despite the fact that you have some there's like, there's pluses, there's minuses. Yeah, DeShawn has that, but again he was it was a special situation. It was omitting and this there was only one team that went anywhere near that deal. Since then, Tyler's deal didn't come up that level. Since then, even Aaron Rodgers reworked deal didn't come to that level. Derek Carr reworked a deal, didn't come out love Derek Carr's new deal, didn't. You go around the league, and no one's contract compares to it, No one. Pat Mahomes has a longer deal, but it's not fully guaranteed. And then the other part to having an agent is they know how to work in workable bonuses. So it may not have read two hundred and thirty fully guaranteed or two hundred and forty fully guarantee ever, but it essentially looked just about the same. You do this is I get that you can change your oil on your on your own. I get that you can. It's actually more like changing your tire. Can you change your own tire? You should as a grown up, especially as a man, you gotta be able to change the tire. But you get a flat tire in the four oh five. I'm calling triple a Colin Troblay too many times, You've seen too many people that's a professional. They get all the equipment, they can pop it up, pop it out. You can go sit and wait in the truck. I want nothing to do with being anywhere near that freeway while I'm changing a tire. Sorry, same thing here, Same thing here. But the interesting part to the exercise is how many of these former and current players sound off on social media about it's got a big collusion. I thought Colin said it perfectly yesterday. You don't have to clude when you know what a good and a bad deal is. These are pretty successful businessmen, all right. The Shaun Watson contracts a bad one. They didn't win last year. It's prohibitively more difficult to win this year because this year there's a gigantic cap hit. And by the way, to Shaun's like, wow, where you work the deal? Well, if you reworked the deal, you know what happens to the Shaun Watson. He actually gets more more money up front. I mean, unless he's the absolute best quarterback in the league, the Browns are screwed. But I found this part of the exercise different, Like, obviously, if you've listened to my show, you know you can't work in this business and host a national Rady show for twenty years unless you know a thing or two about the NFL, and you talk to people who really know about the NFL. I thought this was great. Robert Griffin, the third, of course, works for ESPN. When the news first came out that he was getting a non exclusive tag and all the reports of various teams quote likely not being interested, his tweet was quoting Lamar Jackson is a unanimous MVP, has led the NFL and passing touchdowns. Of course he didn't recently, but again, like we're dealing with three year old data, that's fine, twenty six years old is forty five and sixteen as a starter in all the QB needy teams are saying they aren't interested. Doesn't smell right to me, right, So immediately when you say doesn't smell right, it makes you think one of two things. Well, there's either a collusion or is it some sort of bias against against Lamar Jackson. Two hours later, okay, Robert Griffin tweets Team source Ravens hope negotiating with other teams will give them and Lamar an unbiased look at the market for him. Ravens aren't reluctant to give Lamar a top quarterback market deal, but hope a non exclusive franchise tag will speed up their own installed negotiations with him. This is all most all these guys need to do. Just call somebody you know. J wattweeted like it just doesn't make sense. Hey, JJ, pick up the phone, call anybody in a front office that you played for and asked them what they think is what's really going on here? And they'll say the exact same thing, like dude, he's asking for It's like listing your house for some ridiculous amount when the market has settled, and then you put in the market and you have an open house, you have a real or open house. Why do you have a real or open house? Because real just walked through and go like, hey, I really like the house, but you misspriced it. You misspriced it, but something I thought was fastest. This ere's a parallel to this deal because we still run the possibility. While teams are saying they're not interested, what they're saying is, well, we're not interested at five years guaranteed two hundred fifty million dollars and we got to give you two first round picks, and the guy's been hurt. Miss fifteen games to past two years, miss ten of the last twenty two games of the Ravens, Like, yeah, no, that's look at these teams around the NFL. The models to copy are you know the Seahawks when they had Russell Wilson as a fourth round pick, the Cowboys when they had when they had dak as a fourth round pick. Right the Bengals currently right now, Bengals have two elite picks, but they're under rookie contracts rookie control. I mean, that's why the window for the Chargers is right now because even if they give Herbert a contract extension this offseason, it doesn't count against the cap until years to come. Now is the time you built. You build around a young, inexpensive quarterback, and then you got to decide do we keep this guy and can we keep me at a reasonable rate? And that's what the Giants have done. It's like, if you actually look at the details of the Giants contract, they had Danna Jones on a rookie deal. They're completely rebuilding the thing. And then the contract this year only counts again seven percent of the cap, so they can add some of those weapons that were missing and then he makes mid thirties. Okay, it's a higher percentage of the cap, and you give him a year maybe two, to see if if if, when surrounded by a better team, he's good enough. Not you start the whole process over again. So the Eagles have done right. There's a reason that most of the teams that advanced in the playoffs this year did so, with the exception of the Chiefs with a quarterback on a rookie contract, Because despite what you may read on social media here, on some of these shows, owners don't They don't get to general managers, owners from office people. It's not like, oh, hey, we saved ten million dollars on Lamar Jackson's contract. Fellas, let's go to Vegas. Everybody buy a new house, you want a boat, let's do it. We got like, no, that money gets reinvested to the rest of the roster. But but but he's a here's a big here's a big and important thing. Okay. Can we agree that the Ravens, at least when Ozzie K Newsom was there, and nothing Eric da Costa has done has led us to believe otherwise? Can we agree that it's a pretty well run organization. They won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilford quarterback they won a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco quarterback, right, and Lamar Jackson has been way better than anybody thought. Okay, but that was a good football team that he took over. They had a top five defense when they were making the playoffs. It's a you're going to be good. This is a lot like the Albert pool Hoole Saint Louis Cardinals negotiation. And if you remember, Albert Pools was offered somewhere into like one hundred and sixty million dollars six years, one hundred sixty million dollars for the Cardinals before his last season with the Cardinals and then at the end they tacked on a bunch of extra years or whatever, and it looked like it was nine years, but it's really a six year deal. And Pools instead signed with the Angels, who are not the highest bit of the Marlins were, and he made all that money, and the Cardinals still want a World Series and we're competitive without him. Okay, it still happened. They were still competitive without them, And I think that's what the Ravens are sitting here going like, look, man, we want to give you a lot of money. We want to give you more money than you can ever spend. We want you to be our quarterback, but we also want to be good. That's our whole goal. We want to be good. Like the way we all stay employed is not resigning you. The way we all stay employed is putting out a good product, winning games. Everybody makes more money that way. And at the end of the day, you got to decide, do I want to go to a place. I mean maybe Atlanta, circles Back or Carolina, But again, look at those places, how often have they been competitive? How often have the Ravens been competitive? Brady understood this right, Brady got this. The true legacies are built on how many times you can get in the playoffs and give your shouts. He's only won one playoff game in his career. One. We don't know what he looks like outside of Greg Roman system, where he won an MVP. We don't know healthy can be. And the market is telling you you're asking for too much. Lower you're asking price and it'll generate more interest. And the Ravens are telling you, hey, we're just like the Saint Louis Cardinals. We're gonna win where you're here, where you're not here. We really, really, really want you to stay, but we're not going to give you a ridiculous contract. And I love the fact that RG three actually talked to some of the team and then suddenly came completely down off the Something doesn't smell right now, It actually smells right. Here's what they're doing. Here's why it makes sense. He's just asking for too much money. It's not collusion. It has nothing to do with anything other than business. How do we operate in a function which and function where we have cost certainty with our quarterback, but at a reasonable rate where we can field a really good football team? All right? Coming up next? Want of Kyler Murray's soon to be former teammates, Calvin Beecham, said this week that Kyler needs to grow up. What does he mean by that? I'm gonna ask him, he joins us. Next, I'm Doug Gotlieb. This is the Herd. One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Doug Gotlievin for Colin is to her on Fox Sports Trader the iHeart Radio app. Calvin Beecham of the Ears and the Cardinals in a moment for though, we get to that. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news on the This is the herd Line news, all right, Doug, little little two part NBA story here to lead us off. It was a It was a rough night for the Dallas Mavericks lost to the Pelicans, but they also lost their star Luka Doncic, who left the game early in the third quarter due to a left thigh strain, something he's been battling since apparently shortly after the All Star break according to him. Obviously tough for Dallas. They've now fallen to eighth in the West. They're only three and seven in their past ten games. So you mentioned this earlier, you mentioned something else specifically, but Kyrie Irving was on Twitch last night, a streaming platform on social media that the kids are on these days, and he had this to say about some of the criticisms that he gets from the media and from fans online. And you think you know who I am, You see if you post oh Kay's woke? Kay got it? Oh oh kay is? Oh my goodness? He just he just doesn't fit into the mold of all of the people. And then man, he's different, he's crazy, he's arrogant, he's this, he's that, he's this all from seeing me for three hours. That's just a short portion of what he had to say about some of the critics, and also other things that he mentioned on this late night stream that you had talked about. He also said, how can I be a cancer if there are fifteen guys on a basketball team? How can I be free when I know there are children working in a cobalt mine in Africa making Tesla's? And then this one specifically that you had made reference to gambling is ruining basketball because people aren't real fans anymore. Um, I actually like the gambling one. I'll bite um the with kids making what can I How can I be free when there are kids in Africa working in a cobalt mine making Tesla's? You know what that is? That sounds like a mad lib you know. Yeah, I need a down kids. Yeah, oh boy. Okay, here's the thing, Kerry, this is important. No, we don't see you behind closed doors. We don't. We don't see behind closed doors. There's lots of parts that you don't see. So all we can go by is you have a track record right, and when all the stories kind of line up. And of course, like in our business, we talked to enough people that are boots on the ground that no like, yeah, you have you have no idea. I mean, look, do you know anybody else who sages an arena? I don't. Was there anybody else that you've heard got on the phone on a conference call with the NBA PA during COVID during when they were playing on the bubble and said, hey, guys, we should just have our own league. Nobody made him grab the microphone before the Celtic his last Celtic season says I want to if you'll have me, I'm coming back. Nobody made him do that, you know, Nobody made him say, hey, we don't really need a coach, Or when he first got to Brooklyn after his first couple of games, he said, you know, most of these guys aren't going to be here anyway, right. Nobody has forced those things and those things that are pretty obvious for us to see. Plus, do you have the reaction to so many former teammates, people that work with you, and and remember those kids in the Cobalt mine are making testlas. Yeah, But in terms of the energy He's right though in terms of in gambling. Gambling will make you turn on your favorite team. It just will. It'll make you cheer against your all moderate people. We know this from it started with fantasy football. Fantasy football. It's the hardest thing is when you're going your your team is playing against your player, or your quarterback or your running back. You know, that's a really hard thing. Now, when it's real dollars, real dollars, the energy changes. I think it's one of the things that's get It's makes it hard for college athlete. People have always bet on college games, but it hasn't been that obvious. And people's energy is completely different when you lose them money. The energy in a college atmosphere is completely different now and we have and we have the Cobalt mindes to think about it. That's right. Music with the news, Well that's the news, the hardline news. Kevin Beacham's going to be a free agent. He's last played with the Years on a Cardinals last season. Big talented tackle uh Kelvin joins us now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Kelvin, before we get to all that, you're going to Zambia. But later this month. Well, I'm going to Zambia this Saturday and Saturday night two fifty five. Okay, so and I know you're going to drill water wells. How did this whole trip come to be? So twenty sixteen, I was going to Hunduras with the World Vision to actually see what was going on with you know, access to water and especially actives between water. Um. Twenty sixteen saw it was going to go back in twenty twenty, but the pandemic was, um, you know, starting to take shape. And I happened to be actually in South Africa. We're supposed to be going back again, you know in twenty twenty. Yeah, one across the British is in Babwe and I was like this, this can't be like you know, seeing the distillities between you know, just what to have and to have not even there in Africa. UM. So you know, talk to World Vision total this is where we wanted to be able to go and serve and donated two wells last year and raising funds to be able to do the third one in collaboration with teammates and hands alike. Um, and there we are. My wife and I are leaving Santalenoi dropping the kids talking and Texas for screen breaking. You want to go on serve and the mission field paid the picture for me. What what what what was it actually like when you went across the bridge? What what was it like? So the thing is, man, I know cattle like I'm from Texas. I know I know cattle, I know beasts, you know offensive limo. We love to eat the cattle that I saw, if I wanted to touch them, id I could have pushed him over with my hand. So to see that type of the spirity, understanding what a cow is supposed to look like. The fair that has water has a resources just to be stouting to be consumed at some point that that's it shouldn't be like that. So for me to actually see people walking to go getting water, getting you know, we got a hose water, you know, off the back of your house, or going to the story graving a bottom of water. Some of these communities just don't have access to water. And then to realize that a well can drill a world that's drilled to produce twenty eight hundred gallons of water per day, which in US it's takes three hundred people to put that. Put that in contact stuff pretty much water for one division in the National Football League. That's four teams that that one well does for a community every single day. So go ahead. No, so when you go and drill well, have you I know you've donated wells before, but have you drilled them before? Have you done this yourself before? This is the first time. This is the first time. So I saw it in Honduras. I'm doing it for the first time in collaboration with World Vision when we go, um, you know, next week. So they've already dug the wells. I mean, we're pretty much putting the finishing touches on it. They've done this for the last fifty years. So this is not me trying to do this for the first time. I'm going with somebody in a partner who's you know, their execution around this is what they do for a living. I'm a professional. I'm not a professional well or drilling or a professional when it comes to finding a way to get access to water. So our partners with other professionals and excited to be able to go and see that this coming up week. Um, all right, what about your your football career and being a free agent, like do you track it. Do you just trust your agent? How do you how do you know what's next for you while you're while you're drilling these wheels. Well, I trust when I put on the on the field, the problemt that I put on the field. Mike Thomas says this all the time, the filmers you're walking talking breeding wentleman. I trust what I put on the sale for those seventeen weeks during this season. That will speak for me. Because when a GM or a coach or office, a line coach cluts on the film, that's what they look at. They can till us what an agent or myself has to say about it. It can he producing the most critical moments of the game. And for me, I look, I like to point to the film as do you want these services? Or do you want how much do you want to pay for any service? How much do you not want to pay? Forty tables? So for me, it's very simple, Um, I put the work in, I put the tom in, I stay in shape. My body is ready. My body of work speaks for itself. And I think I have the ability to just point into the family. I'm gonna let the trips fall on they fall, you know, I'm an old and tample I understand that that's just the nature of the business meetings about staying young. But in doing so, what does that look like for me? And do you want to pay for those types of services? So I don't, so I don't look too far into it. I'll be twelve hours ahead of things going on in the States, so I'll be a breath to to what I need to be a break too. But if somebody wants to tango, I'll be ready to tango. Um, you and you came out of SMU you weren't You were like not not quite six three. Everybody said you're too small, right, that's why you went seventh round. And now we're watching the combine, Right, what's it like for a guy who's lived it to watch the combine where we flock over guy's bench presses or guys forties or guys size and length. How much of that should be part of the eval I think it's a part of the equation. I think that's just the nature of the system that's been set up. That's part of the equation. That's part of how things are evaluated. You want to be able to have something that you can look back on. You want to have the prop the data, but she can show, hey, this is what m you know, an offensive whim it looks like, is what it receiver looks like a quarterback, et cetera. Um, But the thing gives is sometimes you can't quantify what somebody's actually able to do on the field until they actually get on the field. And what somebody is able to do in pilots she's doing the pros, it's completely different. And what somebody's able to do as a rookie and somebody is able to do as a seven year vettom it is completely different. What you want to be able to see is do they continue to evolve, they continue to get better? And the combine gives you somewhat of a framework to look back at and be like, hey, Jonathan Odden was this side he's a Hall of famer. Orleando Passers this side he's a hall of famer. Yeah, here the measurements, he's going to be a Hall of famer. Carlin Smith, Trip Williams, et cetera. So you have some frameworks to look at at the end of the day. But you know, for me, it was always you know, what is the what is the troter from the field of play. And to me, Brad Hopkins, which is a smaller tackle who I enjoy watching Matt Life was a smaller tacole, considered a smaller tackle, you know, in the National Football League, and they played a very very long time. UM and I move. Those are the examples that I look for, and I look trying to look forward in the combo, because not every measure was going to stack up to a Hall of Famer, normal career to a Hall of Famer, but that Harby is just a small flamwork and a small sump side of what teams need to do their evaluations. Kelvin Beach him joining this year, Doug got leaving for Collins a Herd on Fox Sport trade of the iHeart Radio app. You started your career playing with Big Ben, who's gigantic, but also like Ben's not easy to block fork because he holds on the ball a lot, right, he'd he'd hold it. And then of course this past couple of seasons you're playing with a diminutive quarterback with with Kyler Uh. One of the big discussions with this draft is you got Bryce Young. Bruce Young's tiny, like not just the size of Kyler but not really a big dude. What's the challenges from a guy who's lived it and you've played with the giants like big Ben Roethlisberger, big six five, built kind of like a quasi you know, Uh, he was a tight end until he became a quarterback. What's the challenge of having an offense when you have one of these smaller quarterbacks? You know, but it's it's the same thing that I would, you know, say, in many instances, what is it have a bigger quarterback and I played with both, so I can be able to talk about both, or being able to play with a bigger quarterback. You realize that you have a little bit more room to wiggle to keep guys on the edge, or if you have a little bit more room to get bored because you knownaged your quarterback and sitting on the pocket. When you have a smaller quarterback or a shorter quarterback, you realize you need to keep that pocket brighter, which gives you an opportunity to be more aggressive as an offensive lotman. But I think, what what having you know, somebody of a collar statue, It gives you the ability to be very flexible with your office. You can put him on the runs. You can you know, have you know, deep deep steps on your play actions, you can have your bootlegs. And I think Kyler really presented a lot of issues for people because they can actually throw extremely well from the pocket or out tik the pocket. So from a talent standpoint, let you know, let the time in the film speak for itself. And if he can throw the ball from the pocket, let him throw the ball from the pocket. If you can throw the ball on the run, let him throw the ball on the run. But I don't think the NFL astartuty, but as a way is how do we cater to you know, your skill set? Jayden Huts catering to a skill set, touching my homes, cater to a skill set, Lamar Jackson cater to a skill set. Tyler try to find a way to cater to a skill set. So I think the NFL is really about how do we cater to the skill set Once we have this particular person and you know, in our building and and and we're here to find a way to make it work in I think weever drafts him, he's gonna find a way to mental work. You recently said that Kyler need to grow up a little bit. What do you mean I sent this last year? Man, he's maturing. How do we him to continue to mature in that regard? Um? The thing is you paid them half ability Um I didn't, but the pass the organization paid him half a bilion and open um. You want to see him go into that valuation and understands the more expectations, the more obligations, and more responsibilities. Want to I want to see him and I'm excited to see him take on that particular responsibility. He's a winner. He's a competitive, one of the first competitors I've been around. But to be a leader of men is completely different than just being a competitive. You have to be able to lead men. You have to be able to engage a man. You have to be able to talk and be able to not only brought that I don't know, how do you also bring him along for the ride as well? And for me and my particularly you know perspective. I want to see him do that at much a much higher clip. And when I say grow up, it's take the next step. He did to this step last year, to this step two years ago. How do we take that next step does does he have who is he willing to listen to veterans like yourself? Right, I don't know if you're gonna be back with the Cardinals. You know if you're gonna be back with the Cardinals. Right. But but I think the big question to all of us who haven't played with him, don't really know him, we just read stories and hear things, is well, he's already got his money. So if you already got your money, are you willing to listen and evolve? Right? Because the point you made about engaging with people like that's it's kind of a generational thing, right. Guys are so involved in you know, in their phones that they communicate a ton on their phones, but in terms of person to person sometimes that's lacking these days. I just wonder, from your perspective, the Kyler that you know that you worked with, does he have the voices around him that he respects They're going to push him to mature more? You know, I would take it a stead further and I will actually put it on him. He has to go out him seek those voices to put around him. I think one of the blesses of being a throw is we get to stand on the shoulder to those who came before us, especially in our society and in our perfection. Right now we get to go to other quarterbacks and other authors, to nomen who played the game at a higher level and played it for a long time. How do you go spend time of them and learn. Tyler have the capabilities of going and reaching out to people, and the women is to go and do so. Yes, chance to do it at a much high kill. That is what I'm excited to see and what I want to see problems because he has the ability to listen to veterans. You know, Chandler Jones is one of his close friends. Like Chandler with carlam out, you know, he had large his jail, he had a j Green, he had J. J. Watt like he had veterans and album. But it's on him to be willing to go and reach out and do the lad work and the diligence to the find ways to continue to make himself better. But he has to he has to be willing to do those types of things. Well, Kevin, what you're doing in Zambia sounds amazing. We wish you and your wife safe travels there and back, and of course, we want to hear where you're going. So when you decide where you're going, I'm talking about in terms of football, we want to be the first to know. Thanks so much for joining us to give us your honest thoughts on your own career, on what you're doing, and of course in your time with the Cardinals. Thanks for being our guest, Yes any time, Thanks for having me. All right, that's Calvin, Calvin Beach him who painted the picture. Can have you ever like that's it's weird. He was talking about cattle right, like just the visual description of going to a place and you just like look at the caddy, like, man, what what do those look like? Where they can just kind of push him over? I mean towd tipping sounds does sound a lot different there, Like if you tell some of your tip cows, Zambia is opposed to hear and I guess my question is like how do they not have wells? It's of the things we take for granted, running water, we just take it for granted. We don't understand what we have. What an incredible thing that he's doing while his professional career in future is being decided, Like I'm doing this with my wife over my kid's spring break. Man makes you feel like a little bit less of human being all the things that he's doing. All right, coming coming up next. We got another crumb today that I'm miss Edward Patrick Brady could come out of retirement. Just a crumb, Just a crumb. Tay which team it involves? Who said it? Next? And The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio App. Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. WO mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking one in God's name is the Fifth Hour? I'll tell you it's a spin off of that Ben Maller show. Colt hit overnights on FSR. Why should you listen? Picture if you will a world will? We chat with captains of industry in media, sports, and more every week explore some amazing facts about a human nature and more. 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Do you think he's actually retired? I don't know. And he's taking a year off. It is weird. He's taking a year off to prepare for broadcasting. Like why would you take a year off to prepare for broadcasting? You know, granted, when you've been away from your kids for the entirety of your career, and now you're divorced. You want to spend as much time as possible and broadcasting for Fox, doing all those games for Fox. You know, you've got to be in your in the city of your broadcast from on Fridays. So as you try and kind of work it out and figure it out, figure out what your life's gonna look like, you want to spend as much time as possible. And of course the Miami thing was always a thought, going back to when they got punished for trying to make Brian Flores do the bump bump into him, talk to him about Brady. Zolac brings credibility because he obviously knows Brady, and he's close to the Patriots. He's probably close to the same people. I don't know. I do know that it's got to be incredibly difficult to walk away from, you know, fifty two eyes on you in the locker room, you know, forty five on a game day, plus the other ten guys in that huddle, from the energy of a stadium and being Tom Brady. The weird thing about it is how quickly he announced it, you know, how quickly he announced it, and I couldn't tell, and I think most people we couldn't tell. At the end of the season, he looked like a beaten man. Was he a beat man because his time was up with the Buccaneers or his time was up with the NFL? I don't know. I'd take him at his word. Happened a second time. I don't even know if Miami is the absolute spot for him to go to. It feels like Vegas would be a better fit because if he's worked with Josh before, and it's just it's a city you can be in and out of. And I know Miami was originally a thought because of you know, he's where he and Gizelle both have places there, like all that makes sense. And San Francisco makes sense because that's his child a team and if they just had any sort of quarterback, they probably win a Super Bowl last year. Gary tweets me, if having a supermodel wife doesn't keep you home, a kitten doesn't stay at a chance, I got it. I do think though, that there's something to, you know, the idea of being at home and being a dad A little bit like, man, I get to be a dad? Do I want to do it every day for the rest of my life. No, but he also doesn't have to, you know, as the kids half the time whatever. We just imagine how many new and different things he's going to discover that he hasn't ever had to do previously, you know, just ever hasn't had to do. When you live with somebody else for a decade, or you play a sport for two decades and you're just a machine, it's a weird feeling to not have work to go to. And of course he's got his brand, he's got some other things as well. I mean, I wish I could sit here and tell you, I know, I got no idea Zolak saying it and one hundred percent in play doesn't mean he's coming out of retirement. It just means, hey, it's out there. It's out there. They still want him. They're gonna keep asking. I mean, if you go back to the middle of the season and you asked almost all of these NFL people, hey, Tom Brady does he play next year, they'd say yes. In Vegas, everyone thought that was happening. And now you look at what Miami has and though they've still stayed at least you know publicly committed to Tuah, it's not crazy, not crazy at all. All. Right, coming up next hour, we'll get to Aaron Rodgers the likelihood of him heading to New York. Plus, Oh, I think you're gonna like, you're gonna like this this story we got for you from the NBA. But I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Jim Beeheim retiring and Colin a long time ago talked about college basketball becoming a one month season, and in terms of mainstream he's right. But in terms of its popularity, it's interesting. Sports in an interesting place because of NIL players are going to stay and play longer, so you can kind of market around them better. But the sport's always been marked around the coaches, and now almost all the coaches except for Bob Huggins and Tom Izzo that we grew up watching, they've all retired, they've all aised out. It's almost it's almost like post Jordan NBA. Right. The NBA became about Jordan and everybody trying to dethrone Jordan, and then when Jordan was gone, you had all these new faces and it took a long time for the NBA to regain the popularity it sees today, and I wonder with college basketball in terms of its popularity. Tournaments always gonna be popular because people bet on it brings everybody together. But you see Beeheim retire, You've already lost coach k Roy Williams. Patino still coaching, but like at Iona, where does he go? You basically have three left, Patino, Huggins and Izzo? All right? Coming up next Aaron Rodgers to New York? Is it a done deal? And what will it look like? Will it sucks? Discuss next to the hurt

Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern, nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What Up? Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be in however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottlie in for Colin Cowherd. On a Thursday. On a Thursday, we got college basketball at jim Beeheim, retiring Bill self in the hospital, teams playing as we speak, lots of money to be made or lost. Actually, Carry Irving had something really interesting to stay in regards to gambling and sports, and I find myself agreeing with Kyrie Irving. I know, right, It's like it like Kyrie is not crazy, but it does. It's what it's like, you're walking down the street and you see a guy who's clearly out there and he says something and it resonates with You're like, you know what, He's right. I feel like that I got something I'll play for you later that Kyrie Irving said on social media that you may do that. Let's talk some Lamar Jackson, shall we. I don't know if you listen to my show, if you'd give it a listen, it's the Doug Otlip Show. It follows this show daily on Fox Sports traded the iHeart Radio app. You can also download the podcast format of it as well. And we've been kind of tracking this all season because it's really easy just use social media to follow Lamar Jackson. You know, he doesn't have an agent, so by not having an agent, we haven't had any leaks from Lamar in regards to what his thoughts and plans and you know what's really going on. That was why there were no real leaks in the in the injury. Is he really hurt? Can he come back and play? And then finally Lamar took to social media. But in the process, Lamar told you a long time ago that he felt like if you didn't want to pay him two hundred and fifty million dollars, you didn't love Lamar. That's how he looks at this thing, don't you know. It's the old don't tell me you're pregnant, show me the baby, and tell me you love me, show me the money, and the argument has merit from this from the standpoint, if you compare him to Deshaun Watson, he has an MVP. Deshaun just not. He's never had to sustain a major catastrophic injury. Deshaun's torn his ACL twice, once in college, once in the pros. I believe they have the same number of playoff wins. And he's never had any of the off the field trouble that Deshaun has had. So if you compare, like if you're doing humps right, well, his house is three thousand feet in my house is three thousand feet. You got a pull, I got a pull. You're on the we're on the same street. I'm actually actually at the end of a cul de sac. Even better, all right, there's open space behind mine. Mine's a better builder, we got a better open floor plan, all these other things like yeah, and the problem is that the rest of the houses on the street didn't sell for what that one outlier house was. And I don't know how to tell you this, but your house hasn't been kept up nearly as well. You've had issues with the foundation, Like, what do you mean, Well, Lamar won the MVP three years ago, he hadn't been the same guy since now. You can say his team hasn't been the same since. That'd be fair, But a big reason is he hasn't been the same since. He just hasn't. He's still effective, but this past year he was the most inaccurate starting quarterback in the NFL. There's an actual advanced stats to show that. Now. Again, still effective because he's arguably, maybe inarguably the best running quarterback we've ever seen. All Right, but there's the there's this sticky part to it. You didn't have an agent and you're like, well, what does that mean? Well, there's two different levels to it. One, your feelings can get hurt if you're sitting in on a meeting or your mom's sitting in on a meeting and they're talking to you about why they don't want to give you the biggest contract in the history of the sport, despite the fact that you have some there's like, there's pluses, there's minuses. Yeah, DeShawn has that, but again he was it was a special situation. It was omitting and this there was only one team that went anywhere near that deal. Since then, Tyler's deal didn't come up that level. Since then, even Aaron Rodgers reworked deal didn't come to that level. Derek Carr reworked a deal, didn't come out love Derek Carr's new deal, didn't. You go around the league, and no one's contract compares to it, No one. Pat Mahomes has a longer deal, but it's not fully guaranteed. And then the other part to having an agent is they know how to work in workable bonuses. So it may not have read two hundred and thirty fully guaranteed or two hundred and forty fully guarantee ever, but it essentially looked just about the same. You do this is I get that you can change your oil on your on your own. I get that you can. It's actually more like changing your tire. Can you change your own tire? You should as a grown up, especially as a man, you gotta be able to change the tire. But you get a flat tire in the four oh five. I'm calling triple a Colin Troblay too many times, You've seen too many people that's a professional. They get all the equipment, they can pop it up, pop it out. You can go sit and wait in the truck. I want nothing to do with being anywhere near that freeway while I'm changing a tire. Sorry, same thing here, Same thing here. But the interesting part to the exercise is how many of these former and current players sound off on social media about it's got a big collusion. I thought Colin said it perfectly yesterday. You don't have to clude when you know what a good and a bad deal is. These are pretty successful businessmen, all right. The Shaun Watson contracts a bad one. They didn't win last year. It's prohibitively more difficult to win this year because this year there's a gigantic cap hit. And by the way, to Shaun's like, wow, where you work the deal? Well, if you reworked the deal, you know what happens to the Shaun Watson. He actually gets more more money up front. I mean, unless he's the absolute best quarterback in the league, the Browns are screwed. But I found this part of the exercise different, Like, obviously, if you've listened to my show, you know you can't work in this business and host a national Rady show for twenty years unless you know a thing or two about the NFL, and you talk to people who really know about the NFL. I thought this was great. Robert Griffin, the third, of course, works for ESPN. When the news first came out that he was getting a non exclusive tag and all the reports of various teams quote likely not being interested, his tweet was quoting Lamar Jackson is a unanimous MVP, has led the NFL and passing touchdowns. Of course he didn't recently, but again, like we're dealing with three year old data, that's fine, twenty six years old is forty five and sixteen as a starter in all the QB needy teams are saying they aren't interested. Doesn't smell right to me, right, So immediately when you say doesn't smell right, it makes you think one of two things. Well, there's either a collusion or is it some sort of bias against against Lamar Jackson. Two hours later, okay, Robert Griffin tweets Team source Ravens hope negotiating with other teams will give them and Lamar an unbiased look at the market for him. Ravens aren't reluctant to give Lamar a top quarterback market deal, but hope a non exclusive franchise tag will speed up their own installed negotiations with him. This is all most all these guys need to do. Just call somebody you know. J wattweeted like it just doesn't make sense. Hey, JJ, pick up the phone, call anybody in a front office that you played for and asked them what they think is what's really going on here? And they'll say the exact same thing, like dude, he's asking for It's like listing your house for some ridiculous amount when the market has settled, and then you put in the market and you have an open house, you have a real or open house. Why do you have a real or open house? Because real just walked through and go like, hey, I really like the house, but you misspriced it. You misspriced it, but something I thought was fastest. This ere's a parallel to this deal because we still run the possibility. While teams are saying they're not interested, what they're saying is, well, we're not interested at five years guaranteed two hundred fifty million dollars and we got to give you two first round picks, and the guy's been hurt. Miss fifteen games to past two years, miss ten of the last twenty two games of the Ravens, Like, yeah, no, that's look at these teams around the NFL. The models to copy are you know the Seahawks when they had Russell Wilson as a fourth round pick, the Cowboys when they had when they had dak as a fourth round pick. Right the Bengals currently right now, Bengals have two elite picks, but they're under rookie contracts rookie control. I mean, that's why the window for the Chargers is right now because even if they give Herbert a contract extension this offseason, it doesn't count against the cap until years to come. Now is the time you built. You build around a young, inexpensive quarterback, and then you got to decide do we keep this guy and can we keep me at a reasonable rate? And that's what the Giants have done. It's like, if you actually look at the details of the Giants contract, they had Danna Jones on a rookie deal. They're completely rebuilding the thing. And then the contract this year only counts again seven percent of the cap, so they can add some of those weapons that were missing and then he makes mid thirties. Okay, it's a higher percentage of the cap, and you give him a year maybe two, to see if if if, when surrounded by a better team, he's good enough. Not you start the whole process over again. So the Eagles have done right. There's a reason that most of the teams that advanced in the playoffs this year did so, with the exception of the Chiefs with a quarterback on a rookie contract, Because despite what you may read on social media here, on some of these shows, owners don't They don't get to general managers, owners from office people. It's not like, oh, hey, we saved ten million dollars on Lamar Jackson's contract. Fellas, let's go to Vegas. Everybody buy a new house, you want a boat, let's do it. We got like, no, that money gets reinvested to the rest of the roster. But but but he's a here's a big here's a big and important thing. Okay. Can we agree that the Ravens, at least when Ozzie K Newsom was there, and nothing Eric da Costa has done has led us to believe otherwise? Can we agree that it's a pretty well run organization. They won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilford quarterback they won a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco quarterback, right, and Lamar Jackson has been way better than anybody thought. Okay, but that was a good football team that he took over. They had a top five defense when they were making the playoffs. It's a you're going to be good. This is a lot like the Albert pool Hoole Saint Louis Cardinals negotiation. And if you remember, Albert Pools was offered somewhere into like one hundred and sixty million dollars six years, one hundred sixty million dollars for the Cardinals before his last season with the Cardinals and then at the end they tacked on a bunch of extra years or whatever, and it looked like it was nine years, but it's really a six year deal. And Pools instead signed with the Angels, who are not the highest bit of the Marlins were, and he made all that money, and the Cardinals still want a World Series and we're competitive without him. Okay, it still happened. They were still competitive without them, And I think that's what the Ravens are sitting here going like, look, man, we want to give you a lot of money. We want to give you more money than you can ever spend. We want you to be our quarterback, but we also want to be good. That's our whole goal. We want to be good. Like the way we all stay employed is not resigning you. The way we all stay employed is putting out a good product, winning games. Everybody makes more money that way. And at the end of the day, you got to decide, do I want to go to a place. I mean maybe Atlanta, circles Back or Carolina, But again, look at those places, how often have they been competitive? How often have the Ravens been competitive? Brady understood this right, Brady got this. The true legacies are built on how many times you can get in the playoffs and give your shouts. He's only won one playoff game in his career. One. We don't know what he looks like outside of Greg Roman system, where he won an MVP. We don't know healthy can be. And the market is telling you you're asking for too much. Lower you're asking price and it'll generate more interest. And the Ravens are telling you, hey, we're just like the Saint Louis Cardinals. We're gonna win where you're here, where you're not here. We really, really, really want you to stay, but we're not going to give you a ridiculous contract. And I love the fact that RG three actually talked to some of the team and then suddenly came completely down off the Something doesn't smell right now, It actually smells right. Here's what they're doing. Here's why it makes sense. He's just asking for too much money. It's not collusion. It has nothing to do with anything other than business. How do we operate in a function which and function where we have cost certainty with our quarterback, but at a reasonable rate where we can field a really good football team? All right? Coming up next? Want of Kyler Murray's soon to be former teammates, Calvin Beecham, said this week that Kyler needs to grow up. What does he mean by that? I'm gonna ask him, he joins us. Next, I'm Doug Gotlieb. This is the Herd. One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Doug Gotlievin for Colin is to her on Fox Sports Trader the iHeart Radio app. Calvin Beecham of the Ears and the Cardinals in a moment for though, we get to that. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news on the This is the herd Line news, all right, Doug, little little two part NBA story here to lead us off. It was a It was a rough night for the Dallas Mavericks lost to the Pelicans, but they also lost their star Luka Doncic, who left the game early in the third quarter due to a left thigh strain, something he's been battling since apparently shortly after the All Star break according to him. Obviously tough for Dallas. They've now fallen to eighth in the West. They're only three and seven in their past ten games. So you mentioned this earlier, you mentioned something else specifically, but Kyrie Irving was on Twitch last night, a streaming platform on social media that the kids are on these days, and he had this to say about some of the criticisms that he gets from the media and from fans online. And you think you know who I am, You see if you post oh Kay's woke? Kay got it? Oh oh kay is? Oh my goodness? He just he just doesn't fit into the mold of all of the people. And then man, he's different, he's crazy, he's arrogant, he's this, he's that, he's this all from seeing me for three hours. That's just a short portion of what he had to say about some of the critics, and also other things that he mentioned on this late night stream that you had talked about. He also said, how can I be a cancer if there are fifteen guys on a basketball team? How can I be free when I know there are children working in a cobalt mine in Africa making Tesla's? And then this one specifically that you had made reference to gambling is ruining basketball because people aren't real fans anymore. Um, I actually like the gambling one. I'll bite um the with kids making what can I How can I be free when there are kids in Africa working in a cobalt mine making Tesla's? You know what that is? That sounds like a mad lib you know. Yeah, I need a down kids. Yeah, oh boy. Okay, here's the thing, Kerry, this is important. No, we don't see you behind closed doors. We don't. We don't see behind closed doors. There's lots of parts that you don't see. So all we can go by is you have a track record right, and when all the stories kind of line up. And of course, like in our business, we talked to enough people that are boots on the ground that no like, yeah, you have you have no idea. I mean, look, do you know anybody else who sages an arena? I don't. Was there anybody else that you've heard got on the phone on a conference call with the NBA PA during COVID during when they were playing on the bubble and said, hey, guys, we should just have our own league. Nobody made him grab the microphone before the Celtic his last Celtic season says I want to if you'll have me, I'm coming back. Nobody made him do that, you know, Nobody made him say, hey, we don't really need a coach, Or when he first got to Brooklyn after his first couple of games, he said, you know, most of these guys aren't going to be here anyway, right. Nobody has forced those things and those things that are pretty obvious for us to see. Plus, do you have the reaction to so many former teammates, people that work with you, and and remember those kids in the Cobalt mine are making testlas. Yeah, But in terms of the energy He's right though in terms of in gambling. Gambling will make you turn on your favorite team. It just will. It'll make you cheer against your all moderate people. We know this from it started with fantasy football. Fantasy football. It's the hardest thing is when you're going your your team is playing against your player, or your quarterback or your running back. You know, that's a really hard thing. Now, when it's real dollars, real dollars, the energy changes. I think it's one of the things that's get It's makes it hard for college athlete. People have always bet on college games, but it hasn't been that obvious. And people's energy is completely different when you lose them money. The energy in a college atmosphere is completely different now and we have and we have the Cobalt mindes to think about it. That's right. Music with the news, Well that's the news, the hardline news. Kevin Beacham's going to be a free agent. He's last played with the Years on a Cardinals last season. Big talented tackle uh Kelvin joins us now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Kelvin, before we get to all that, you're going to Zambia. But later this month. Well, I'm going to Zambia this Saturday and Saturday night two fifty five. Okay, so and I know you're going to drill water wells. How did this whole trip come to be? So twenty sixteen, I was going to Hunduras with the World Vision to actually see what was going on with you know, access to water and especially actives between water. Um. Twenty sixteen saw it was going to go back in twenty twenty, but the pandemic was, um, you know, starting to take shape. And I happened to be actually in South Africa. We're supposed to be going back again, you know in twenty twenty. Yeah, one across the British is in Babwe and I was like this, this can't be like you know, seeing the distillities between you know, just what to have and to have not even there in Africa. UM. So you know, talk to World Vision total this is where we wanted to be able to go and serve and donated two wells last year and raising funds to be able to do the third one in collaboration with teammates and hands alike. Um, and there we are. My wife and I are leaving Santalenoi dropping the kids talking and Texas for screen breaking. You want to go on serve and the mission field paid the picture for me. What what what what was it actually like when you went across the bridge? What what was it like? So the thing is, man, I know cattle like I'm from Texas. I know I know cattle, I know beasts, you know offensive limo. We love to eat the cattle that I saw, if I wanted to touch them, id I could have pushed him over with my hand. So to see that type of the spirity, understanding what a cow is supposed to look like. The fair that has water has a resources just to be stouting to be consumed at some point that that's it shouldn't be like that. So for me to actually see people walking to go getting water, getting you know, we got a hose water, you know, off the back of your house, or going to the story graving a bottom of water. Some of these communities just don't have access to water. And then to realize that a well can drill a world that's drilled to produce twenty eight hundred gallons of water per day, which in US it's takes three hundred people to put that. Put that in contact stuff pretty much water for one division in the National Football League. That's four teams that that one well does for a community every single day. So go ahead. No, so when you go and drill well, have you I know you've donated wells before, but have you drilled them before? Have you done this yourself before? This is the first time. This is the first time. So I saw it in Honduras. I'm doing it for the first time in collaboration with World Vision when we go, um, you know, next week. So they've already dug the wells. I mean, we're pretty much putting the finishing touches on it. They've done this for the last fifty years. So this is not me trying to do this for the first time. I'm going with somebody in a partner who's you know, their execution around this is what they do for a living. I'm a professional. I'm not a professional well or drilling or a professional when it comes to finding a way to get access to water. So our partners with other professionals and excited to be able to go and see that this coming up week. Um, all right, what about your your football career and being a free agent, like do you track it. Do you just trust your agent? How do you how do you know what's next for you while you're while you're drilling these wheels. Well, I trust when I put on the on the field, the problemt that I put on the field. Mike Thomas says this all the time, the filmers you're walking talking breeding wentleman. I trust what I put on the sale for those seventeen weeks during this season. That will speak for me. Because when a GM or a coach or office, a line coach cluts on the film, that's what they look at. They can till us what an agent or myself has to say about it. It can he producing the most critical moments of the game. And for me, I look, I like to point to the film as do you want these services? Or do you want how much do you want to pay for any service? How much do you not want to pay? Forty tables? So for me, it's very simple, Um, I put the work in, I put the tom in, I stay in shape. My body is ready. My body of work speaks for itself. And I think I have the ability to just point into the family. I'm gonna let the trips fall on they fall, you know, I'm an old and tample I understand that that's just the nature of the business meetings about staying young. But in doing so, what does that look like for me? And do you want to pay for those types of services? So I don't, so I don't look too far into it. I'll be twelve hours ahead of things going on in the States, so I'll be a breath to to what I need to be a break too. But if somebody wants to tango, I'll be ready to tango. Um, you and you came out of SMU you weren't You were like not not quite six three. Everybody said you're too small, right, that's why you went seventh round. And now we're watching the combine, Right, what's it like for a guy who's lived it to watch the combine where we flock over guy's bench presses or guys forties or guys size and length. How much of that should be part of the eval I think it's a part of the equation. I think that's just the nature of the system that's been set up. That's part of the equation. That's part of how things are evaluated. You want to be able to have something that you can look back on. You want to have the prop the data, but she can show, hey, this is what m you know, an offensive whim it looks like, is what it receiver looks like a quarterback, et cetera. Um, But the thing gives is sometimes you can't quantify what somebody's actually able to do on the field until they actually get on the field. And what somebody is able to do in pilots she's doing the pros, it's completely different. And what somebody's able to do as a rookie and somebody is able to do as a seven year vettom it is completely different. What you want to be able to see is do they continue to evolve, they continue to get better? And the combine gives you somewhat of a framework to look back at and be like, hey, Jonathan Odden was this side he's a Hall of famer. Orleando Passers this side he's a hall of famer. Yeah, here the measurements, he's going to be a Hall of famer. Carlin Smith, Trip Williams, et cetera. So you have some frameworks to look at at the end of the day. But you know, for me, it was always you know, what is the what is the troter from the field of play. And to me, Brad Hopkins, which is a smaller tackle who I enjoy watching Matt Life was a smaller tacole, considered a smaller tackle, you know, in the National Football League, and they played a very very long time. UM and I move. Those are the examples that I look for, and I look trying to look forward in the combo, because not every measure was going to stack up to a Hall of Famer, normal career to a Hall of Famer, but that Harby is just a small flamwork and a small sump side of what teams need to do their evaluations. Kelvin Beach him joining this year, Doug got leaving for Collins a Herd on Fox Sport trade of the iHeart Radio app. You started your career playing with Big Ben, who's gigantic, but also like Ben's not easy to block fork because he holds on the ball a lot, right, he'd he'd hold it. And then of course this past couple of seasons you're playing with a diminutive quarterback with with Kyler Uh. One of the big discussions with this draft is you got Bryce Young. Bruce Young's tiny, like not just the size of Kyler but not really a big dude. What's the challenges from a guy who's lived it and you've played with the giants like big Ben Roethlisberger, big six five, built kind of like a quasi you know, Uh, he was a tight end until he became a quarterback. What's the challenge of having an offense when you have one of these smaller quarterbacks? You know, but it's it's the same thing that I would, you know, say, in many instances, what is it have a bigger quarterback and I played with both, so I can be able to talk about both, or being able to play with a bigger quarterback. You realize that you have a little bit more room to wiggle to keep guys on the edge, or if you have a little bit more room to get bored because you knownaged your quarterback and sitting on the pocket. When you have a smaller quarterback or a shorter quarterback, you realize you need to keep that pocket brighter, which gives you an opportunity to be more aggressive as an offensive lotman. But I think, what what having you know, somebody of a collar statue, It gives you the ability to be very flexible with your office. You can put him on the runs. You can you know, have you know, deep deep steps on your play actions, you can have your bootlegs. And I think Kyler really presented a lot of issues for people because they can actually throw extremely well from the pocket or out tik the pocket. So from a talent standpoint, let you know, let the time in the film speak for itself. And if he can throw the ball from the pocket, let him throw the ball from the pocket. If you can throw the ball on the run, let him throw the ball on the run. But I don't think the NFL astartuty, but as a way is how do we cater to you know, your skill set? Jayden Huts catering to a skill set, touching my homes, cater to a skill set, Lamar Jackson cater to a skill set. Tyler try to find a way to cater to a skill set. So I think the NFL is really about how do we cater to the skill set Once we have this particular person and you know, in our building and and and we're here to find a way to make it work in I think weever drafts him, he's gonna find a way to mental work. You recently said that Kyler need to grow up a little bit. What do you mean I sent this last year? Man, he's maturing. How do we him to continue to mature in that regard? Um? The thing is you paid them half ability Um I didn't, but the pass the organization paid him half a bilion and open um. You want to see him go into that valuation and understands the more expectations, the more obligations, and more responsibilities. Want to I want to see him and I'm excited to see him take on that particular responsibility. He's a winner. He's a competitive, one of the first competitors I've been around. But to be a leader of men is completely different than just being a competitive. You have to be able to lead men. You have to be able to engage a man. You have to be able to talk and be able to not only brought that I don't know, how do you also bring him along for the ride as well? And for me and my particularly you know perspective. I want to see him do that at much a much higher clip. And when I say grow up, it's take the next step. He did to this step last year, to this step two years ago. How do we take that next step does does he have who is he willing to listen to veterans like yourself? Right, I don't know if you're gonna be back with the Cardinals. You know if you're gonna be back with the Cardinals. Right. But but I think the big question to all of us who haven't played with him, don't really know him, we just read stories and hear things, is well, he's already got his money. So if you already got your money, are you willing to listen and evolve? Right? Because the point you made about engaging with people like that's it's kind of a generational thing, right. Guys are so involved in you know, in their phones that they communicate a ton on their phones, but in terms of person to person sometimes that's lacking these days. I just wonder, from your perspective, the Kyler that you know that you worked with, does he have the voices around him that he respects They're going to push him to mature more? You know, I would take it a stead further and I will actually put it on him. He has to go out him seek those voices to put around him. I think one of the blesses of being a throw is we get to stand on the shoulder to those who came before us, especially in our society and in our perfection. Right now we get to go to other quarterbacks and other authors, to nomen who played the game at a higher level and played it for a long time. How do you go spend time of them and learn. Tyler have the capabilities of going and reaching out to people, and the women is to go and do so. Yes, chance to do it at a much high kill. That is what I'm excited to see and what I want to see problems because he has the ability to listen to veterans. You know, Chandler Jones is one of his close friends. Like Chandler with carlam out, you know, he had large his jail, he had a j Green, he had J. J. Watt like he had veterans and album. But it's on him to be willing to go and reach out and do the lad work and the diligence to the find ways to continue to make himself better. But he has to he has to be willing to do those types of things. Well, Kevin, what you're doing in Zambia sounds amazing. We wish you and your wife safe travels there and back, and of course, we want to hear where you're going. So when you decide where you're going, I'm talking about in terms of football, we want to be the first to know. Thanks so much for joining us to give us your honest thoughts on your own career, on what you're doing, and of course in your time with the Cardinals. Thanks for being our guest, Yes any time, Thanks for having me. All right, that's Calvin, Calvin Beach him who painted the picture. Can have you ever like that's it's weird. He was talking about cattle right, like just the visual description of going to a place and you just like look at the caddy, like, man, what what do those look like? Where they can just kind of push him over? I mean towd tipping sounds does sound a lot different there, Like if you tell some of your tip cows, Zambia is opposed to hear and I guess my question is like how do they not have wells? It's of the things we take for granted, running water, we just take it for granted. We don't understand what we have. What an incredible thing that he's doing while his professional career in future is being decided, Like I'm doing this with my wife over my kid's spring break. Man makes you feel like a little bit less of human being all the things that he's doing. All right, coming coming up next. We got another crumb today that I'm miss Edward Patrick Brady could come out of retirement. Just a crumb, Just a crumb. Tay which team it involves? Who said it? Next? And The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio App. Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. WO mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking one in God's name is the Fifth Hour? I'll tell you it's a spin off of that Ben Maller show. Colt hit overnights on FSR. Why should you listen? Picture if you will a world will? We chat with captains of industry in media, sports, and more every week explore some amazing facts about a human nature and more. 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Do you think he's actually retired? I don't know. And he's taking a year off. It is weird. He's taking a year off to prepare for broadcasting. Like why would you take a year off to prepare for broadcasting? You know, granted, when you've been away from your kids for the entirety of your career, and now you're divorced. You want to spend as much time as possible and broadcasting for Fox, doing all those games for Fox. You know, you've got to be in your in the city of your broadcast from on Fridays. So as you try and kind of work it out and figure it out, figure out what your life's gonna look like, you want to spend as much time as possible. And of course the Miami thing was always a thought, going back to when they got punished for trying to make Brian Flores do the bump bump into him, talk to him about Brady. Zolac brings credibility because he obviously knows Brady, and he's close to the Patriots. He's probably close to the same people. I don't know. I do know that it's got to be incredibly difficult to walk away from, you know, fifty two eyes on you in the locker room, you know, forty five on a game day, plus the other ten guys in that huddle, from the energy of a stadium and being Tom Brady. The weird thing about it is how quickly he announced it, you know, how quickly he announced it, and I couldn't tell, and I think most people we couldn't tell. At the end of the season, he looked like a beaten man. Was he a beat man because his time was up with the Buccaneers or his time was up with the NFL? I don't know. I'd take him at his word. Happened a second time. I don't even know if Miami is the absolute spot for him to go to. It feels like Vegas would be a better fit because if he's worked with Josh before, and it's just it's a city you can be in and out of. And I know Miami was originally a thought because of you know, he's where he and Gizelle both have places there, like all that makes sense. And San Francisco makes sense because that's his child a team and if they just had any sort of quarterback, they probably win a Super Bowl last year. Gary tweets me, if having a supermodel wife doesn't keep you home, a kitten doesn't stay at a chance, I got it. I do think though, that there's something to, you know, the idea of being at home and being a dad A little bit like, man, I get to be a dad? Do I want to do it every day for the rest of my life. No, but he also doesn't have to, you know, as the kids half the time whatever. We just imagine how many new and different things he's going to discover that he hasn't ever had to do previously, you know, just ever hasn't had to do. When you live with somebody else for a decade, or you play a sport for two decades and you're just a machine, it's a weird feeling to not have work to go to. And of course he's got his brand, he's got some other things as well. I mean, I wish I could sit here and tell you, I know, I got no idea Zolak saying it and one hundred percent in play doesn't mean he's coming out of retirement. It just means, hey, it's out there. It's out there. They still want him. They're gonna keep asking. I mean, if you go back to the middle of the season and you asked almost all of these NFL people, hey, Tom Brady does he play next year, they'd say yes. In Vegas, everyone thought that was happening. And now you look at what Miami has and though they've still stayed at least you know publicly committed to Tuah, it's not crazy, not crazy at all. All. Right, coming up next hour, we'll get to Aaron Rodgers the likelihood of him heading to New York. Plus, Oh, I think you're gonna like, you're gonna like this this story we got for you from the NBA. But I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Jim Beeheim retiring and Colin a long time ago talked about college basketball becoming a one month season, and in terms of mainstream he's right. But in terms of its popularity, it's interesting. Sports in an interesting place because of NIL players are going to stay and play longer, so you can kind of market around them better. But the sport's always been marked around the coaches, and now almost all the coaches except for Bob Huggins and Tom Izzo that we grew up watching, they've all retired, they've all aised out. It's almost it's almost like post Jordan NBA. Right. The NBA became about Jordan and everybody trying to dethrone Jordan, and then when Jordan was gone, you had all these new faces and it took a long time for the NBA to regain the popularity it sees today, and I wonder with college basketball in terms of its popularity. Tournaments always gonna be popular because people bet on it brings everybody together. But you see Beeheim retire, You've already lost coach k Roy Williams. Patino still coaching, but like at Iona, where does he go? You basically have three left, Patino, Huggins and Izzo? All right? Coming up next Aaron Rodgers to New York? Is it a done deal? And what will it look like? Will it sucks? Discuss next to the hurt