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Bill Belichick put out a nice little you know, memo about the greatness of Tom Brady, and Robert Kraft said, in the hundred year history of the NFL, there's never been a quarterback like Tom and there never will be again. You know, I think when you look back at Brady leaving New England, Tom has always been able to see around corners, right. He can kind of feel. You do something for twenty years. You could be a stockbroker, you could be a realtor, you could be a high school principal, you could be in construction. You do something for twenty twenty five years, you can kind of you kind of see around corners. You can see what's happening to your industry or a project. And Brady left New England and you know why, I left New England to win more. And it sounds weird, right. Tampa's weird. It's a kookie pirate ship. But they had much better weapons, they had an offensive coach. It was a bad division and the league was pivoting. And Tom saw it. Remember that year, that last year in New England. The cameras caught him multiple times yelling at receivers, get open. Tom's smart. They couldn't draft or develop wide receivers. The league was pivoting, and Tom saw it. He saw what Mahomes was doing in Kansas City. He looked around the league and saw what was happening the NFL sells winning, and its players sell winning, and this is why it's so much popular than every other sport. I loved the NBA, but Lebroun left four straight finals. He left winning to do business in LA. The Lakers had a bad roster. They still do. Kevin Durant left the dynasty to go play with a friend. I said at the Times, if Mahomes left Kansas City to play with a buddy with the Jets, we'd make fun of him relentlessly. Mello was winning in Denver, nah on to go to New York, big brand, big city. And Kyrie left winning because he wanted to satiate his ego and be the man. How'd that work out for you? Peyton Manning chose Denver, go back. A lot of teams wanted him. It was the best roster. He won a super Bowl. Brady chose Tampa offensive coach league, pivoting, Chris Godwit, Mike Evans, Young, tight ends, and he brought some friends to help him. In the NBA, it's about ego and business and brand and scoring and getting mine and I love the sport. But Brady and Manning chose rosters. Kyrie chose being the man. A disaster in Boston. Kevin Durant chose playing with a friend, a disaster in Brooklyn. Mellow chose Big City New York. Seven years, one playoff series win. Think about how bad the East was when Mello was in New York. It was awful and he won one playoff series and lebron in Los Angeles. It's a mess, to be honest, it's been a mess. But in the NFL, Matt Stafford said, get me a better coach, get me a better roster, I can win, and he got a super Bowl. When farv went to the Vikings, remember that, people said, oh it's a garage. No Vikings. The year before made the playoffs with Gus Farrott. And if I recall to Bars Jackson, keep the thing the thing. That's why NFL playoff games get forty ratings, thirty seven million, forty million, NBA playoffs first round get a million. Fans feel it because for fans all that matters is winning, And for the NFL and players, all that matters is winning. Don't really care about shoe deals and ego and being the man, and you want to win games. I watched Brooklyn last night with KD fall behind to the Boston Celtics forty six to nineteen, sitting there to restaurant watching it on the screen, and I'm like, forty six nineteen, First, how's that working out for you? That would be Mahomes as great as he is going to play with a friend. And that's why I think Tom Brady is retiring winning. He left New England because he saw how the league was pivoting. And I think he looks at Tampa's roster it's getting old in spots and he thinks to himself, why am I doing this? It's not a super Bowl team. He looks at the Niners, he looks at the Eagles roster. Tom sees around corners. We're not a super Bowl team. Patrick Mahomes will be on First Things First. After our show today, Brady just retired and he talked about Tom. He has a little bit that he has the Jordan in him, that will to win and that will to be the best. I think that's what makes Tom so great. His will to bring his teammates along is special, and his will to be great and be the best is special. And that's something that whenever I talked to Tom, I just try to learn as much as possible, and he's able to. He's more than willing to give me some advice, which is I think it's pretty cool because he is the goat and someone that I want to try to chase Patrick Mahomes later today. On first things first, it's powerful. The fans can feel it, the networks can feel it, the advertisers can feel it. The players. It's all about winning. Isn't that why we watch sports? Isn't that why we were Jerseys? I mean I don't, but people do. Winning it's the thing. So Sean Payton is now the head coach of the Denver Broncos, and and I think sometimes people just say things to get attention, like Sean Payton overread it feels like you've got some inside knowledge. He's not. When Sean Payton took over the Saints, they were called the Aints. People wore paper bags over their head. They had less talent than the Houston Texans have. Now there were three and thirteen. The following year with Sean Payton, three and thirteen they were in the NFC Championship game. And that was when Farr played for the Packers. Andy Reid was with the Eagles. Yeah, they were good teams. And it's not just that he won instantly and won big, but he had obstacles In New Orleans Hurricane Katrina, his owner bought an NBA team and they took his GM, Mickey Loomis, and made him run both. He literally had a part time general manager, got suspended for a year two. In the forty years before Sean Payton, the Saints had a single playoff win. He showed up. In fifteen years, they had nine in a Super Bowl. In fact, Peyton's last year is a great example of how he could grind out wins when everything went wrong. They went nine and eight With Taysom Hill, Jamis Winston and Trevor Simeon. They went nine and eight his last year. That good Bucks team was in that division. Yeah, and Michael Thomas's best wide receiver in an emerging wide receiver league, didn't play. Alvin Kamara was hurt for a month, all sorts of injuries, and oh, by the way, Marquez Callaway was a leading receiver that year. And yet they would have gotten into the playoffs in his final year except for the Niners beat the Rams. If I recall, it was an overtime and therefore that knocked them out. And if you recall with all those bad quarterbacks, they were good down the stretch. Four and one. Three teams in the NFL this year went from last to the playoffs, the Giants, the Jags, and Seattle. Yeah, yeah, it's not complicated. I'm not sure if a bookstore has football for Dummies, but if it does, buy it. Sean Payton's a really good coach, and less qualified, less successful coaches have turned things around much faster. I got a text last night from somebody very close inside the Denver organization that said, people have no idea at what a circus the Broncos were with Nathaniel Hackett. Really good guy over his head and we see it occasionally. Freddie Kitchens, Jim Tomsula. Some would argue Dennis Allen, coach of the Saints, is just not it's just not working. It didn't work in the Raiders, it doesn't work with the Saints. I don't know, but yeah, HiT's this idea that the Saints it was easy. They had natural disasters. At one time, he had a part time general manager also running the basketball organization, a suspension for a year, Trevor Simeon, an aging Drew Brees Taysom Hill. Yeah, and they won a lot the final year. If the Niners don't beat the Rams, they make the playoffs. He's good. Got some interesting information this morning. Could have a surprise guest coming up in the next couple of days. I'm not gonna get into it. It It could be a surprise guest. Maybe you've heard of him. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates none of the ball, so you know it's funny. Jerry Jones and Oil Maverick always been on the edge. He's always taken opportunities, big risk guy. When he bought the Cowboys, Jimmy Johnson all tells me those stories. The first couple of years had bank loans to pay off. He is a risk taker. And then something happened. I saw a story this morning that Stephen Jones, we are committed to giving Dak Prescott an extension, kicking the can down the road. Now. That deal would lower cap hits the next couple of years for Dak, And you know what this is. This is Kirk Cousins and the Vikings. That's what they've done. Now, when you get Dak and Kirk Cousins, the two quarterbacks that I've constantly compared to each other, you get professionalism, stability, and competency. I would never argue with that they are franchise quarterbacks. But here's three things to realize. They have virtually identical numbers. I mean virtually identical career numbers. It's crazy how even they are for our radio audience. Their passer ratings are identical, ninety seven point eight completion percentages, sixty six passer their records, they're passing yards per game, same guy. I've been saying this for years. Dak is Kirk Cousins with a better brand. They also struggle against better teams, and they do very well, very well against the bad teams in their division. And the Vikings have always chosen to just extend Kirk and figure it out and manipulate and figure it out and extend it. And how's it working Philadelphia now, I mean Dak and Cousins, it's a four oh one k of the NFL. Philadelphia is like, we're gonna pull out about half of our four oh one k and go into a startup, a tech company, big risk, two super Bowl trips, orty one one favor to one another. But it is interesting because Jerry's an oil guy and a maven and a Maverick and all those you know, guts and and this is the Vikings. This is just exactly what the Vikings are doing. Well, let's renegotiate it, let's extend it. I'm gonna have to pay them all that money eventually. Beat the bad teams, struggle with the good teams. Nearly identical BP plus quarterbacks, professional, stable, competent, good guys, never awful. Jerry Jones this week talking about the fine line between aggressive and stability when he's thinking about a deal. Anybody that thinks I won't take a chance has misread the tea leaves. Okay, but I do think longer term, and I'm real hesitant to bet at all for a year, and there's a lot of things that can happen for that year. In essence, we're seeing a couple of teams that have had some real success, putting it all out there and paying it, paying for it later. My point is that I do know how to take risk, They're absolutely right. We have been in the middle here for a few years. I like where we are right now, more in the middle. He's honest that that is exactly where they are. They're not at the top, They're they're middle to slightly above middle, and really hard questions to ask going forward. It is also mostly despite what happened with an eleven al record in close games, this year's where the vikings mostly are. J Mack with the News No, No, this lightly. I like the interview Jerry gave. You looked like he was about to go on a hunting trip, like four am didn't. Yeah, like the Camo. Look, let's start with the Eagles back in the Super Bowl for the first time since twenty seventeen. Only seven players from that team are still in Philadelphia. You know, there's there could be some distractions leading up to the Super Bowl. Nick Sirianni, though, he's hoping to keep things as normal as possible over the next week and a half. It's gonna go back to the same thing that we kind of started the playoffs with, like it is the next game, and don't try to make it too much, Like, don't try to make too much of it as far as we understand the stakes. Everybody understands the stakes. But our job is to literally look at the day of where we are right now and take the steps that we need to take today. Like that's not going to change. This is the biggest game of in football. We all know that, like there's it's the biggest game. It's the super Bowl, right, It's the biggest game that anybody will ever play in football. We understand that. But when you start treating these games differently, that's when there's mistakes happen. Well, the truth is it's a longer halftime, longer commercial breaks, longest break before the game, more media than ever. It is different. Yeah, just a little bit. Yeah. So the thing Philadelphia has going for it, and to a large degree, Kansas City does too. But Philadelphia has got a lot of veteran players. So Jalen Hurts isn't a veteran, but you know, he's been playing football a while at big programs Oklahoma, Alabama, is you know, Piladelphia, a lot of a lot of their dudes. They're closer to retirement than I think people think. I mean, I if some of these lineman O and D Lineman for the Eagles said I'm going to call it a career. You'd be like, okay, And so I think that helps. These guys have been in playoff games, big games. They won't be overwhelmed by it, you know, Andy Reid, Mahomes won't be overwhelmed. But most of their offensive players have you know, the key guys, A lot of them have years on him. I looked this up three years ago. Nick Sirianni was the offensive coordinator of the Colts, and now he's leading the Eagles into the Super Bowl. I love how the NFL can just flip quickly like that. I mean, that is a massive leap for Nick Sirianni, offensive coordinator of the Colts, and now he's got the Eagles about to win a Super Bowl and crazy and um, you know, there was a lot of skepticism, not just by me, There was a lot of skepticism early on Nick Siriani, even as a higher as a higher there there was a lot of who I mean, I remember that when he got he wasn't on That wasn't a name that we were discussing of the candidates, right, and then he became the coach really quickly. Yeah, good luck to the Eagles next up Kellen Moore and Justin Herbert teaming up for the Chargers offensively this season. I'm very excited about it. Herbert has already shown what he's capable of through his first three seasons. Kellen Moore, Oh my gosh, she's so geeked to work with Justin Herbert. Justin we know the physical talent. He obviously does a tremendous job. I think it's been really cool to watch him from a fundamental perspective. And he's gone from Oregon into the NFL and transition and started playing under center. He has done such a phenomenal job of that and the play action gained, the movement game. We know his ability to throw it downfield. I'm just really really excited to be able to work with Justin Herbert and hopefully help him in some way he continues to build the career he is going to have, Colin. I know people are gonna think Herbert are going overboard. This team led the Jags with twenty seven nothing a few weeks ago in the playoffs. All you have to do is go look at the best year Justin Herbert's head was this rookie year? Now does that make any sense? He had his worst offensive line and he was a rookie. Why did he have his best year because he had his best offensive coordinator who is now the coordinator the Eagles. Then another coordinator came in, and this team suddenly got awful with a better online more explaining because they bounced Anthony Lynn the head coach. Right, not right, and so um. But he had a he had a really good coordinator his first year, and he crushed with a bad online and no NFL experience the last This year, they were as bad a second half offense as they were. They were the worst second half offense with a legitimate star quarterback in the league. They came out with good game plans and then at halftime the defensive adjustice didn't adjust and Lombardi did not make any adjustments offensively. What's Peterson known for adjustments? What's Belichick known for adjustments? I mean, if you start looking at the best coaches, Zach Taylor and that Bengals team adjustments and he read adjustments, that's the difference between the great coordinators and the guys is okay? Everybody can sit in a film room and drop fifteen plays with a great quarterback, What do you do at half. The Chargers were an anemic second half offense. In fact, they were the only awful second half offense in the league with a star quarterback. So this kid at his best with no nfl L experience and an old line that was a disaster when he had a more creative, progressive offensive mind helping him. A reminder a year ago, at this time, the Eagles had gotten destroyed by Tampa in the playoffs. Remember Jalen Hurts looked a little overwhelmed in Tampa. I think it was thirty one nothing at one point. They pick up a J. Brown in the offseason. They're now in the super Bowl. It's not crazy for me to say Justin Herbert and the Chargers with the right offseason mover to position themselves to be in the Super Bowl next year? How good is that division? Because you know Peyton's gonna win games in ten D duck. This division now is now. That's why you know it's interesting if you look at the division now, it's Andy Reid, Mahomes, Sean Payton, Russell Wilson, and Justin Herbert now gets another really really high end coordinator. If you're the if you're the Raiders, you gonna sit back there with Jared Stidham. Maybe it's time to call Green Bay. We should do a segment five teams that you would bet futures on to make the Super Bowl next year. That would be fun, Like if you could pick five. Chargers are definitely one of my five. Veris Oh okay, all right, but it would you put them in your five? I'd have to sit the night if I The Niners don't have a quarterback, so they're out. Dallas is going to have to move off to people. Yeah, I mean it's yeah. I mean San Francisco has no quarterback. I mean Trey Lancer will be year three in the Shanahan system. He completed fifty five percent of his throws last year. Okay, San Francisco out. Interesting, We definitely need to do the same. Philadelphia is back in. Kansas City's in. Since he's in, there's three, so you need two more. Buffalo's out. Buffalo's out. Jets aren't getting in them. I wasn't even gonna say it. You said it. Final story. You talked about watching the NBA last night. Holy hell, what did the Celtics do to Broughtly? Oh my gosh, they got out to a thirty point lead in the first quarter and did not let up. They kept their foot on the throat. I think they led by forty nine. It was forty six nineteen end of the first quarter. The sound was down where I was watching, but I was sitting there watching it. It was. It was brutal. The third best player in the NBA, Jason Tatum, had thirty one points. Jalen Brown twenty six. Celtics blow out the nets by let me do the math here forty three points. Cullen. Can you imagine leaving the Warriors for this nonsense? I mean, this has been a complete disaster. It's just a it's just horror. It's it's a bummer that Kevin Durant's greatness, we don't get to watch it in June. It's a bummer. We might there's a chance there, No, there's at least I don't think so. And they getting buy Milwaukee and Boston. There are reports out there from various sources that are you know, feet on the ground covering the NBA. The Simmons thing is wearing some people out. Yeah, Jacques jacqu vaughan talked about it. Remember we had a quick item on that sixers or Nets? Who do you have higher right now? In the sixers, they're just so nets are four? That no, no, very tough. No, Cleveland's fourth. Oh, I don't buy Broke. I would say Milwaukee if they're healthy. One, Boston a very one, a u Philly three, Cleveland four. We don't need to go past four because the fifth seat is not winning it. So that's the four. Cleveland. Tough to doubt Kevin Durant, but it's no, it's easy to doubt Kyrie Irving at least for me. And yeah, I don't buy the Brooklyn thing. I think they're they're not built for the postseason at all. Yeah. J Maack with the news, Well that's the news and the herd Line news, so it is we have to do our daily Aaron Rodgers story. So, um, yesterday Davante Adams was I guess on the internet on social media, Um, you know, insinuating. Somebody asked what neighborhood is Aaron Rodgers moving to, and Davante Adams on social media said, mine, Um, my guess is is that Aaron is not going to retire for two reasons. He can make another one hundred million dollars. I know money doesn't matter to him. It matters to everybody. And the second thing is Tom Brady retired. Do you really want to share the podium in Canton with Tom Brady? You already want to be second billing to Tom Brady and Canton your whole career, you've been second billing to Tom Brady. You want to do it in Canton? Play one more year? We watched Brady cry at the Hall of Fame speech, than Aaron Rodgers to the Hall of Fame speech the next year is the leading marquee guy. So there's that. But it's interesting when I think about the Raiders. Is that and a lot of decisions I've made in my life, I've made the decision based on who is in my ear, who is telling me, Whether I've changed companies, I've changed agents, I've made big moves. Who's in my ear? And that's important to think about. So Aaron Rodgers to the Jets gets a lot of talk. But Aaron's smart enough. That's a wobbly ownership, got a coach that's got a winner. He's fired a bunch of young kids. It's a weird, bad old line. But Aaron to the Raiders, as West coast, Davante Adams and great weapons, offensive head coach with the ring. And I do think privately Green Bay looks at the Raiders and thinks, listen, they've already said through sources and leaks, we're sending them to the AFC, whereas the Bills feel like they're declining. The Patriots don't have weapons. Who knows about too his health. You could see Aaron Rodgers if he went to the Jets winning that division, it wouldn't be crazy. New York's got good talent. But if you put him in the Mahomes Division, the Sean Payton, Russell Wilson Division, Herbert were the good Old Line or good o C. I think privately that's where Green Bay would love to send Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders. Now winning that division, good's that is a great you got coaching, you got star quarterbacks, and you know it's it's it's interesting. Let's go back to my initial point about who's in your ear. So you know, Josh McDaniels is telling Mark Davis, the owner of the Raiders, Okay, now Sean's in the division. They're gonna fix Russell. Okay. Now Kellen Moore with Justin Herbert and Mahomes. We gotta go big here. Okay, we're not drafting a college quarterback. Josh McDaniels, by the way, was having private meetings with the owner last year. He doesn't have another year to win six games, So Josh McDaniels in the ear of Mark Davis, let's get Aaron. Who else is Davante Adams who doesn't want to play with Jarrett Stidham. He got frustrated with Derek Carr and I want to play with the rookie. Who are the two people in Mark Davis? And he's been influenced before by guys like John Gruden, who's in his ear. His coach and his star player are both saying, get Aaron Rodgers. And by the way, it is what the Raiders need to do. So much of this league is jobs survival because these jobs, there's thirty two of them, they're the best jobs in the world. They're right in pro sports, NBA is a job you're hired to get fired outside of a Popovitch or a Spolstra. It's just the coach of the year gets fired two years later right outside your occurs and Spolstra's in the NFL. These are gold bars and I Josh McDaniels, Peyton and Russell Herbert with a legit oc or a big time O, SI Mahomes and Reed. And remember Kansas City's young in some of these spots. Defensively, they're just gonna get better and they've got a lot of gas trade draft picks. Errand to the Raiders, you know who is lobbing hard for that? I hear you. I like the idea. I do have to ask. Josh McDaniels has feuded with many a quarterback. He is very prickly. Him and Jay Cutler got into it from the jump. Jay Cutler apparently walked out of the first meeting in Denver, was like, get me the hell out of here. Derek Carr was dressed down in front of the team by Josh McDaniels. Players were saying, man, it's kind of not fair what he's doing to Derek Carr. You think Aaron Rodgers is going to take that crap from Josh McDaniels, who hasn't won. Jack squa what I don't want to hear about the Super Bowls with Belle Jack and Brady. What has Josh McDaniels done that he's going to take that kind of behavior from Aaron Rodgers. Well, first of all, Tom Brady's relationship with Josh McDaniels, despite one piece of video evidence, was really strong. Yes, they really liked each other. Tom and Aaron are friends. They talk. So Aaron would call Tom and say, what do you make of Josh McDaniels. Over the course of a decade working with a coach, you get a right to bark. They bark at you, you bark at them. Let's not make too much of Josh McDaniels barking at Brady in a game, by the way, not even at practice. I think Brady would overwhelmingly give him a A plus plus. Listen, when Brady went and dealt with Bruce Arians. You don't think Brady ever texted Josh McDaniel's back. Hey, well, come down to Tampa. He was feuding with Bruce Arians, and Tom doesn't already feud with coaches and that thing until like that bye week Week twelve. They were seven and five. Good point, So I hey, Darren Waller, Hunter, renfro, Davante Adams, Josh Jacobs legit the Raiders old line. I don't think it's great, but PF rates it way higher than everybody else. Hold on, Aaron Rodgers makes a ton of money. I don't think they're gonna be able to keep Jacobs in Waller. I mean I was reading Albert Brier this. I mean, Rogers salary is ridiculous. Colin. They're gonna have to do something. They're gonna have to unload some guys to be able to afford him. I mean, he's one of the highest paid quarterbacks next year in the league. Hit on some draft picks. We don't need more good quarterbacks in the AFC. If the Jets are gonna make the playoffs, that's just very difficult. It does feel hopeless if he goes to the Raiders. I just don't see why Aaron Rodgers wouldn't say, you know what, I'm gonna stay and win this NFC and go to the super Bowl. That's the best chance right there. We talked about this yesterday, but Aaron Rodgers said two days ago with Pat McAfee they're having discussions without me, so remember they can trade him. Yeah, Well, don't we make fun of Jerry Jones from meeting with the media all the time. Why are we making fun of Rogers for going on Pat McAfee show every week to just pop off about whatever's on his mind. Because it's very appropriate for players to have opinions about football, It's not as appropriate for owners on a Monday to constantly be talking about football. Let players and coaches talk about football. They're playing it. They're putting their bodies at risk. I feel like you're turning around on Aaron Rodgers. You guys are is there a romance behind the scenes. I don't know about Ala said, first ballot Hall of Famer. Think he's a little high maintenance, little high maintenance, little passive, aggressive, but he's absolutely great. And I think the Raiders two as stars, two big stars, Davante Adams and Josh McDaniel's a coach. He's a big dog there right, big salary. I think they're in market. David, you made a list of the most high maintenance NFL quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers is number one at the top, and then there's a massive gap for whoever number two is Kyler Murray. Massive gap to Kyler Murray. Yes, Aaron Rodgers is number one by an it's not even close. Come on, that's unfair. Okayon Aaron is. Aaron has a lot of money. He wants to do what he wants to do in the off season. He's single, doesn't have kids. Aaron has every right to do what he wants. I think he made a mistake this year not committing with two small college rookie receivers. Aaron's a Hall of Famer. He's great. It's a little high maintenance for me. You know what, so's Lebron. Sometimes it's okay when you're worth one hundred and fifty million dollars. When I hit the powerball, trust me, I'm gonna have breakfast served on set. You know the best comment I saw on the internet this week. Tom Brady has more retirements too than Aaron Rodgers has Super Bowls. Come one, that is, compare a n Come on now is enough. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine a Empacific two NBA Insiders podcasting twice a week to plug you right into the NBA Grade five all happening in only one place this league. Uncut the New NBA Podcast with me Chris Haynes and me Mark Stein join us as we team up to expound on everything we're covering, hearing and chasing. Listen to This League Uncut with Chris Haynes and Mark Stein on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. We're going to the super Bowl. Take a look at our amazing set that's being built in Arizona. We will be there next Thursday and Friday. Right out said its outside State Farm Stadium. We'll have great guests getting ready for the Eagles and Chiefs that's next week right here on the herd. The best part about working for a network, have had two now where my net are well No. Only one because ESPN at the time had never had a Super Bowl. So it's always great to go to a major event where your network has rights to it because you get the best sets and you get the best proximity, and so it Fox. Uh. It'll be a great week. We'll have great guests, great set, great look, great proximity. Arizona is an interesting super Bowl site because you have the games in Glendale, the vibe is in Scottsdale, and there's events downtown in Phoenix. So whereas in Miami it's smaller. It's all Ocean Drive, Ocean Avenue. It's all right, remember how good Miami was. That was that was good. I think Miami's the best super Bowl city in the country and my and all the super Bowls I've been to, Miami to me, does it better because it's all concentrated, largely downtown Miami until the game when you go yeah yeah, but all the restaurants, all the vibe, all the beach, all the activities, it's right hurt. New Orleans is good, but I've never been to a super Bowl there. It is. We did Houston in twenty sixteen. That was not bad. In Houston to driving city, not bad, I didn't say, I mean I enjoyed it. Atlanta, Um, Dallas was a bit of my mask because of the ice storm and there was people standing Fort Worth and then there's Dallas and the ice storm. Just it was the strangest week. Do you remember the flight back from Miami. It was right as COVID was getting ready to start and I gave you a mask before we took our flight back. Do you remember that? No, of course you don't. I don't remember it. I was like, everybody's going to have a mask on on the flight handed you one like four people were wearing masks. I remember. Not to bore you, but I remember the Dallas Super Bowl. I left the Saturday morning instead of staying for the game. I left Saturday morning to go back to Connecticut, and I got on a plane I worked, you know, got on the plane and it was in a nice seat, like seat four or five. I didn't really pay attention to it. And as we were about to take off, one of the stewards or stewardesses said, not many people on this flight. And I looked back. There was nobody on it. There was like six of us in first class. There was nobody on the flight. It was one hundred empty seats. I'd never I thought Saturday morning leaked. Everybody's going to the Super Bowl. Nobody's leaving it on Saturday, and so it's one of those They had to get a plane back to the Northeast because all the planes were flying into Dallas. It was the strangest flight I've ever been on. So this is interesting. Patrick Mahomes is an underdog for the first time in the playoffs. So I read this this morning as a fifteen game streak of being postseason favorites. So it's kind of remarkable first time that he is an underdog in the playoffs, and that just speaks to how good Philadelphia is. And even though the margins in college football we see blowouts all the time, I mean, even in the playoffs you'll see blowouts. Generally, the margins in the NFL between the best team and the worst team are very very close. I saw the Houston Texans play a couple of good teams very close this year. But here's what's interesting if you go back and look at history, even in professional football, the Super Bowl champ blows out over half its schedule. So the Eagles with Jalen Hurt starting this year, entire season including playoffs, had eight blowout wins and are a point from nine. And we consider a blowout ten plus points, so they're a point away from nine blowout wins. The Rams the year before had a low number, only seven blowout wins, but they played in a great division. Arizona at the time was surging, the Niners were legitimate. Seattle had Russell Wilson last year, So the Rams when they were Super Bowl champs had only seven in a very strong division, strong schedule. But the Bucks that won with Brady ten blowout wins. The Chiefs in twenty nineteen with Mahomes ten blowout wins, the Patriots in twenty eighteen ten blowout wins. Philadelphia is a point away from nine blowout wins, and also with Philadelphia because Kansas Hitty had several, but Philadelphia by far and away was the most dominant first half team in the league. So they buried people in the first halfs of games and then took their foot off the gas in the second halfs. So a couple of games that just a couple that weren't blowouts according to the numbers, did feel like Philadelphia dominated the game. So Philadelphia is a favorite over Kansas City and should be. They are. You get about ten blowout wins for the Super Bowl champ on average, and I also think they feel and look like a Super Bowl champ. Think about their playoff wins. They have outscored their opponents in the playoffs with an injured quarterback sixty nine to fourteen. I'm just saying, if you go back to some great Cowboy teams, great Steeler teams. I remember when I was a kid in the mid seventies, and I have no idea what year it was, but the Steelers were so dominant and I'm talking the Bradshaw swan at one point, I do remember three straight shutouts in pro football as Alabama ever had three straight shutouts in college football. You're playing Citadel in the SEC like three times a year, So you think these games are Super Bowl champs reel off about ten blowouts a year of ten or more points. Well, you know you can bet, like an alt line Philly to win by more than ten, Philly to win by more than fifteen. You can do that if it if you think it has a chance. Pat Mahomes getting blown out. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that you blow out the team in the Super Blay. I'm saying as you get to it, you start looking back on schedules in Philadelphia a point from nine blowout wins and dominated first halfs and generally teams come out scripted play you play your best football often early they blew teams doors off. Yeah, and a lot of bad quarterbacks in that uh, and let's blow out bad, below average, terrible, awful. Apparently, Daniel Jones, We're thirty two million a year, isn't that crazy? I have multiple people reach out to me around the country on those stories, like that that is a But you know what you don't want to be, and this is why Jerry wants to extend Dak and why Minnesota keeps extending Kirk Cousins and kicking the cap hit down the road, is that what you don't want to be is in chaos. And you're never in chaos with Dak. You're never in chaos with Kirk Cousins, he says Greg ko Sells starting next hour, as Greg ko Sell says, there's only about five great guys in the world that do this. So if you don't have the five greatest guys in the world, you just want somebody that's capable of winning a playoff game. And I'll say it now, Daniel Jones is, Oh, come on, I know you said five guys, right, Mahomes Burrow Eagles face none of them this year. The best quarterback they faced Aaron Rodgers, Jared Off, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott. Well, you don't think Aaron Rodgers is good? What was he good this year? Yes, he's always good. He had young receivers, but he was good. Jared Goff, by the way, was Jared Goff was solid? Solid? Homey was fantastic. Fasting in like Week three early in the season. M hmm, A lot of takes here, hour or two next,

Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern, nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS one. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go on a Thursday. We are live then Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio FS one. Greg ko Sell an hour from now, NFL Meet Sandwich. Jason McIntyre is joining me today. Came to a conclusion last night, had a couple of desserts. They're both fantastic. I think I'm gonna give working out and stand in shape arrest for like next twenty years. What's the point that working out thing? Jim things a pyramid scheme, what's the point? Robert Kraft was talking about Tom Brady. Bill Belichick put out a nice little you know, memo about the greatness of Tom Brady, and Robert Kraft said, in the hundred year history of the NFL, there's never been a quarterback like Tom and there never will be again. You know, I think when you look back at Brady leaving New England, Tom has always been able to see around corners, right. He can kind of feel. You do something for twenty years. You could be a stockbroker, you could be a realtor, you could be a high school principal, you could be in construction. You do something for twenty twenty five years, you can kind of you kind of see around corners. You can see what's happening to your industry or a project. And Brady left New England and you know why, I left New England to win more. And it sounds weird, right. Tampa's weird. It's a kookie pirate ship. But they had much better weapons, they had an offensive coach. It was a bad division and the league was pivoting. And Tom saw it. Remember that year, that last year in New England. The cameras caught him multiple times yelling at receivers, get open. Tom's smart. They couldn't draft or develop wide receivers. The league was pivoting, and Tom saw it. He saw what Mahomes was doing in Kansas City. He looked around the league and saw what was happening the NFL sells winning, and its players sell winning, and this is why it's so much popular than every other sport. I loved the NBA, but Lebroun left four straight finals. He left winning to do business in LA. The Lakers had a bad roster. They still do. Kevin Durant left the dynasty to go play with a friend. I said at the Times, if Mahomes left Kansas City to play with a buddy with the Jets, we'd make fun of him relentlessly. Mello was winning in Denver, nah on to go to New York, big brand, big city. And Kyrie left winning because he wanted to satiate his ego and be the man. How'd that work out for you? Peyton Manning chose Denver, go back. A lot of teams wanted him. It was the best roster. He won a super Bowl. Brady chose Tampa offensive coach league, pivoting, Chris Godwit, Mike Evans, Young, tight ends, and he brought some friends to help him. In the NBA, it's about ego and business and brand and scoring and getting mine and I love the sport. But Brady and Manning chose rosters. Kyrie chose being the man. A disaster in Boston. Kevin Durant chose playing with a friend, a disaster in Brooklyn. Mellow chose Big City New York. Seven years, one playoff series win. Think about how bad the East was when Mello was in New York. It was awful and he won one playoff series and lebron in Los Angeles. It's a mess, to be honest, it's been a mess. But in the NFL, Matt Stafford said, get me a better coach, get me a better roster, I can win, and he got a super Bowl. When farv went to the Vikings, remember that, people said, oh it's a garage. No Vikings. The year before made the playoffs with Gus Farrott. And if I recall to Bars Jackson, keep the thing the thing. That's why NFL playoff games get forty ratings, thirty seven million, forty million, NBA playoffs first round get a million. Fans feel it because for fans all that matters is winning, And for the NFL and players, all that matters is winning. Don't really care about shoe deals and ego and being the man, and you want to win games. I watched Brooklyn last night with KD fall behind to the Boston Celtics forty six to nineteen, sitting there to restaurant watching it on the screen, and I'm like, forty six nineteen, First, how's that working out for you? That would be Mahomes as great as he is going to play with a friend. And that's why I think Tom Brady is retiring winning. He left New England because he saw how the league was pivoting. And I think he looks at Tampa's roster it's getting old in spots and he thinks to himself, why am I doing this? It's not a super Bowl team. He looks at the Niners, he looks at the Eagles roster. Tom sees around corners. We're not a super Bowl team. Patrick Mahomes will be on First Things First. After our show today, Brady just retired and he talked about Tom. He has a little bit that he has the Jordan in him, that will to win and that will to be the best. I think that's what makes Tom so great. His will to bring his teammates along is special, and his will to be great and be the best is special. And that's something that whenever I talked to Tom, I just try to learn as much as possible, and he's able to. He's more than willing to give me some advice, which is I think it's pretty cool because he is the goat and someone that I want to try to chase Patrick Mahomes later today. On first things first, it's powerful. The fans can feel it, the networks can feel it, the advertisers can feel it. The players. It's all about winning. Isn't that why we watch sports? Isn't that why we were Jerseys? I mean I don't, but people do. Winning it's the thing. So Sean Payton is now the head coach of the Denver Broncos, and and I think sometimes people just say things to get attention, like Sean Payton overread it feels like you've got some inside knowledge. He's not. When Sean Payton took over the Saints, they were called the Aints. People wore paper bags over their head. They had less talent than the Houston Texans have. Now there were three and thirteen. The following year with Sean Payton, three and thirteen they were in the NFC Championship game. And that was when Farr played for the Packers. Andy Reid was with the Eagles. Yeah, they were good teams. And it's not just that he won instantly and won big, but he had obstacles In New Orleans Hurricane Katrina, his owner bought an NBA team and they took his GM, Mickey Loomis, and made him run both. He literally had a part time general manager, got suspended for a year two. In the forty years before Sean Payton, the Saints had a single playoff win. He showed up. In fifteen years, they had nine in a Super Bowl. In fact, Peyton's last year is a great example of how he could grind out wins when everything went wrong. They went nine and eight With Taysom Hill, Jamis Winston and Trevor Simeon. They went nine and eight his last year. That good Bucks team was in that division. Yeah, and Michael Thomas's best wide receiver in an emerging wide receiver league, didn't play. Alvin Kamara was hurt for a month, all sorts of injuries, and oh, by the way, Marquez Callaway was a leading receiver that year. And yet they would have gotten into the playoffs in his final year except for the Niners beat the Rams. If I recall, it was an overtime and therefore that knocked them out. And if you recall with all those bad quarterbacks, they were good down the stretch. Four and one. Three teams in the NFL this year went from last to the playoffs, the Giants, the Jags, and Seattle. Yeah, yeah, it's not complicated. I'm not sure if a bookstore has football for Dummies, but if it does, buy it. Sean Payton's a really good coach, and less qualified, less successful coaches have turned things around much faster. I got a text last night from somebody very close inside the Denver organization that said, people have no idea at what a circus the Broncos were with Nathaniel Hackett. Really good guy over his head and we see it occasionally. Freddie Kitchens, Jim Tomsula. Some would argue Dennis Allen, coach of the Saints, is just not it's just not working. It didn't work in the Raiders, it doesn't work with the Saints. I don't know, but yeah, HiT's this idea that the Saints it was easy. They had natural disasters. At one time, he had a part time general manager also running the basketball organization, a suspension for a year, Trevor Simeon, an aging Drew Brees Taysom Hill. Yeah, and they won a lot the final year. If the Niners don't beat the Rams, they make the playoffs. He's good. Got some interesting information this morning. Could have a surprise guest coming up in the next couple of days. I'm not gonna get into it. It It could be a surprise guest. Maybe you've heard of him. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates none of the ball, so you know it's funny. Jerry Jones and Oil Maverick always been on the edge. He's always taken opportunities, big risk guy. When he bought the Cowboys, Jimmy Johnson all tells me those stories. The first couple of years had bank loans to pay off. He is a risk taker. And then something happened. I saw a story this morning that Stephen Jones, we are committed to giving Dak Prescott an extension, kicking the can down the road. Now. That deal would lower cap hits the next couple of years for Dak, And you know what this is. This is Kirk Cousins and the Vikings. That's what they've done. Now, when you get Dak and Kirk Cousins, the two quarterbacks that I've constantly compared to each other, you get professionalism, stability, and competency. I would never argue with that they are franchise quarterbacks. But here's three things to realize. They have virtually identical numbers. I mean virtually identical career numbers. It's crazy how even they are for our radio audience. Their passer ratings are identical, ninety seven point eight completion percentages, sixty six passer their records, they're passing yards per game, same guy. I've been saying this for years. Dak is Kirk Cousins with a better brand. They also struggle against better teams, and they do very well, very well against the bad teams in their division. And the Vikings have always chosen to just extend Kirk and figure it out and manipulate and figure it out and extend it. And how's it working Philadelphia now, I mean Dak and Cousins, it's a four oh one k of the NFL. Philadelphia is like, we're gonna pull out about half of our four oh one k and go into a startup, a tech company, big risk, two super Bowl trips, orty one one favor to one another. But it is interesting because Jerry's an oil guy and a maven and a Maverick and all those you know, guts and and this is the Vikings. This is just exactly what the Vikings are doing. Well, let's renegotiate it, let's extend it. I'm gonna have to pay them all that money eventually. Beat the bad teams, struggle with the good teams. Nearly identical BP plus quarterbacks, professional, stable, competent, good guys, never awful. Jerry Jones this week talking about the fine line between aggressive and stability when he's thinking about a deal. Anybody that thinks I won't take a chance has misread the tea leaves. Okay, but I do think longer term, and I'm real hesitant to bet at all for a year, and there's a lot of things that can happen for that year. In essence, we're seeing a couple of teams that have had some real success, putting it all out there and paying it, paying for it later. My point is that I do know how to take risk, They're absolutely right. We have been in the middle here for a few years. I like where we are right now, more in the middle. He's honest that that is exactly where they are. They're not at the top, They're they're middle to slightly above middle, and really hard questions to ask going forward. It is also mostly despite what happened with an eleven al record in close games, this year's where the vikings mostly are. J Mack with the News No, No, this lightly. I like the interview Jerry gave. You looked like he was about to go on a hunting trip, like four am didn't. Yeah, like the Camo. Look, let's start with the Eagles back in the Super Bowl for the first time since twenty seventeen. Only seven players from that team are still in Philadelphia. You know, there's there could be some distractions leading up to the Super Bowl. Nick Sirianni, though, he's hoping to keep things as normal as possible over the next week and a half. It's gonna go back to the same thing that we kind of started the playoffs with, like it is the next game, and don't try to make it too much, Like, don't try to make too much of it as far as we understand the stakes. Everybody understands the stakes. But our job is to literally look at the day of where we are right now and take the steps that we need to take today. Like that's not going to change. This is the biggest game of in football. We all know that, like there's it's the biggest game. It's the super Bowl, right, It's the biggest game that anybody will ever play in football. We understand that. But when you start treating these games differently, that's when there's mistakes happen. Well, the truth is it's a longer halftime, longer commercial breaks, longest break before the game, more media than ever. It is different. Yeah, just a little bit. Yeah. So the thing Philadelphia has going for it, and to a large degree, Kansas City does too. But Philadelphia has got a lot of veteran players. So Jalen Hurts isn't a veteran, but you know, he's been playing football a while at big programs Oklahoma, Alabama, is you know, Piladelphia, a lot of a lot of their dudes. They're closer to retirement than I think people think. I mean, I if some of these lineman O and D Lineman for the Eagles said I'm going to call it a career. You'd be like, okay, And so I think that helps. These guys have been in playoff games, big games. They won't be overwhelmed by it, you know, Andy Reid, Mahomes won't be overwhelmed. But most of their offensive players have you know, the key guys, A lot of them have years on him. I looked this up three years ago. Nick Sirianni was the offensive coordinator of the Colts, and now he's leading the Eagles into the Super Bowl. I love how the NFL can just flip quickly like that. I mean, that is a massive leap for Nick Sirianni, offensive coordinator of the Colts, and now he's got the Eagles about to win a Super Bowl and crazy and um, you know, there was a lot of skepticism, not just by me, There was a lot of skepticism early on Nick Siriani, even as a higher as a higher there there was a lot of who I mean, I remember that when he got he wasn't on That wasn't a name that we were discussing of the candidates, right, and then he became the coach really quickly. Yeah, good luck to the Eagles next up Kellen Moore and Justin Herbert teaming up for the Chargers offensively this season. I'm very excited about it. Herbert has already shown what he's capable of through his first three seasons. Kellen Moore, Oh my gosh, she's so geeked to work with Justin Herbert. Justin we know the physical talent. He obviously does a tremendous job. I think it's been really cool to watch him from a fundamental perspective. And he's gone from Oregon into the NFL and transition and started playing under center. He has done such a phenomenal job of that and the play action gained, the movement game. We know his ability to throw it downfield. I'm just really really excited to be able to work with Justin Herbert and hopefully help him in some way he continues to build the career he is going to have, Colin. I know people are gonna think Herbert are going overboard. This team led the Jags with twenty seven nothing a few weeks ago in the playoffs. All you have to do is go look at the best year Justin Herbert's head was this rookie year? Now does that make any sense? He had his worst offensive line and he was a rookie. Why did he have his best year because he had his best offensive coordinator who is now the coordinator the Eagles. Then another coordinator came in, and this team suddenly got awful with a better online more explaining because they bounced Anthony Lynn the head coach. Right, not right, and so um. But he had a he had a really good coordinator his first year, and he crushed with a bad online and no NFL experience the last This year, they were as bad a second half offense as they were. They were the worst second half offense with a legitimate star quarterback in the league. They came out with good game plans and then at halftime the defensive adjustice didn't adjust and Lombardi did not make any adjustments offensively. What's Peterson known for adjustments? What's Belichick known for adjustments? I mean, if you start looking at the best coaches, Zach Taylor and that Bengals team adjustments and he read adjustments, that's the difference between the great coordinators and the guys is okay? Everybody can sit in a film room and drop fifteen plays with a great quarterback, What do you do at half. The Chargers were an anemic second half offense. In fact, they were the only awful second half offense in the league with a star quarterback. So this kid at his best with no nfl L experience and an old line that was a disaster when he had a more creative, progressive offensive mind helping him. A reminder a year ago, at this time, the Eagles had gotten destroyed by Tampa in the playoffs. Remember Jalen Hurts looked a little overwhelmed in Tampa. I think it was thirty one nothing at one point. They pick up a J. Brown in the offseason. They're now in the super Bowl. It's not crazy for me to say Justin Herbert and the Chargers with the right offseason mover to position themselves to be in the Super Bowl next year? How good is that division? Because you know Peyton's gonna win games in ten D duck. This division now is now. That's why you know it's interesting if you look at the division now, it's Andy Reid, Mahomes, Sean Payton, Russell Wilson, and Justin Herbert now gets another really really high end coordinator. If you're the if you're the Raiders, you gonna sit back there with Jared Stidham. Maybe it's time to call Green Bay. We should do a segment five teams that you would bet futures on to make the Super Bowl next year. That would be fun, Like if you could pick five. Chargers are definitely one of my five. Veris Oh okay, all right, but it would you put them in your five? I'd have to sit the night if I The Niners don't have a quarterback, so they're out. Dallas is going to have to move off to people. Yeah, I mean it's yeah. I mean San Francisco has no quarterback. I mean Trey Lancer will be year three in the Shanahan system. He completed fifty five percent of his throws last year. Okay, San Francisco out. Interesting, We definitely need to do the same. Philadelphia is back in. Kansas City's in. Since he's in, there's three, so you need two more. Buffalo's out. Buffalo's out. Jets aren't getting in them. I wasn't even gonna say it. You said it. Final story. You talked about watching the NBA last night. Holy hell, what did the Celtics do to Broughtly? Oh my gosh, they got out to a thirty point lead in the first quarter and did not let up. They kept their foot on the throat. I think they led by forty nine. It was forty six nineteen end of the first quarter. The sound was down where I was watching, but I was sitting there watching it. It was. It was brutal. The third best player in the NBA, Jason Tatum, had thirty one points. Jalen Brown twenty six. Celtics blow out the nets by let me do the math here forty three points. Cullen. Can you imagine leaving the Warriors for this nonsense? I mean, this has been a complete disaster. It's just a it's just horror. It's it's a bummer that Kevin Durant's greatness, we don't get to watch it in June. It's a bummer. We might there's a chance there, No, there's at least I don't think so. And they getting buy Milwaukee and Boston. There are reports out there from various sources that are you know, feet on the ground covering the NBA. The Simmons thing is wearing some people out. Yeah, Jacques jacqu vaughan talked about it. Remember we had a quick item on that sixers or Nets? Who do you have higher right now? In the sixers, they're just so nets are four? That no, no, very tough. No, Cleveland's fourth. Oh, I don't buy Broke. I would say Milwaukee if they're healthy. One, Boston a very one, a u Philly three, Cleveland four. We don't need to go past four because the fifth seat is not winning it. So that's the four. Cleveland. Tough to doubt Kevin Durant, but it's no, it's easy to doubt Kyrie Irving at least for me. And yeah, I don't buy the Brooklyn thing. I think they're they're not built for the postseason at all. Yeah. J Maack with the news, Well that's the news and the herd Line news, so it is we have to do our daily Aaron Rodgers story. So, um, yesterday Davante Adams was I guess on the internet on social media, Um, you know, insinuating. Somebody asked what neighborhood is Aaron Rodgers moving to, and Davante Adams on social media said, mine, Um, my guess is is that Aaron is not going to retire for two reasons. He can make another one hundred million dollars. I know money doesn't matter to him. It matters to everybody. And the second thing is Tom Brady retired. Do you really want to share the podium in Canton with Tom Brady? You already want to be second billing to Tom Brady and Canton your whole career, you've been second billing to Tom Brady. You want to do it in Canton? Play one more year? We watched Brady cry at the Hall of Fame speech, than Aaron Rodgers to the Hall of Fame speech the next year is the leading marquee guy. So there's that. But it's interesting when I think about the Raiders. Is that and a lot of decisions I've made in my life, I've made the decision based on who is in my ear, who is telling me, Whether I've changed companies, I've changed agents, I've made big moves. Who's in my ear? And that's important to think about. So Aaron Rodgers to the Jets gets a lot of talk. But Aaron's smart enough. That's a wobbly ownership, got a coach that's got a winner. He's fired a bunch of young kids. It's a weird, bad old line. But Aaron to the Raiders, as West coast, Davante Adams and great weapons, offensive head coach with the ring. And I do think privately Green Bay looks at the Raiders and thinks, listen, they've already said through sources and leaks, we're sending them to the AFC, whereas the Bills feel like they're declining. The Patriots don't have weapons. Who knows about too his health. You could see Aaron Rodgers if he went to the Jets winning that division, it wouldn't be crazy. New York's got good talent. But if you put him in the Mahomes Division, the Sean Payton, Russell Wilson Division, Herbert were the good Old Line or good o C. I think privately that's where Green Bay would love to send Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders. Now winning that division, good's that is a great you got coaching, you got star quarterbacks, and you know it's it's it's interesting. Let's go back to my initial point about who's in your ear. So you know, Josh McDaniels is telling Mark Davis, the owner of the Raiders, Okay, now Sean's in the division. They're gonna fix Russell. Okay. Now Kellen Moore with Justin Herbert and Mahomes. We gotta go big here. Okay, we're not drafting a college quarterback. Josh McDaniels, by the way, was having private meetings with the owner last year. He doesn't have another year to win six games, So Josh McDaniels in the ear of Mark Davis, let's get Aaron. Who else is Davante Adams who doesn't want to play with Jarrett Stidham. He got frustrated with Derek Carr and I want to play with the rookie. Who are the two people in Mark Davis? And he's been influenced before by guys like John Gruden, who's in his ear. His coach and his star player are both saying, get Aaron Rodgers. And by the way, it is what the Raiders need to do. So much of this league is jobs survival because these jobs, there's thirty two of them, they're the best jobs in the world. They're right in pro sports, NBA is a job you're hired to get fired outside of a Popovitch or a Spolstra. It's just the coach of the year gets fired two years later right outside your occurs and Spolstra's in the NFL. These are gold bars and I Josh McDaniels, Peyton and Russell Herbert with a legit oc or a big time O, SI Mahomes and Reed. And remember Kansas City's young in some of these spots. Defensively, they're just gonna get better and they've got a lot of gas trade draft picks. Errand to the Raiders, you know who is lobbing hard for that? I hear you. I like the idea. I do have to ask. Josh McDaniels has feuded with many a quarterback. He is very prickly. Him and Jay Cutler got into it from the jump. Jay Cutler apparently walked out of the first meeting in Denver, was like, get me the hell out of here. Derek Carr was dressed down in front of the team by Josh McDaniels. Players were saying, man, it's kind of not fair what he's doing to Derek Carr. You think Aaron Rodgers is going to take that crap from Josh McDaniels, who hasn't won. Jack squa what I don't want to hear about the Super Bowls with Belle Jack and Brady. What has Josh McDaniels done that he's going to take that kind of behavior from Aaron Rodgers. Well, first of all, Tom Brady's relationship with Josh McDaniels, despite one piece of video evidence, was really strong. Yes, they really liked each other. Tom and Aaron are friends. They talk. So Aaron would call Tom and say, what do you make of Josh McDaniels. Over the course of a decade working with a coach, you get a right to bark. They bark at you, you bark at them. Let's not make too much of Josh McDaniels barking at Brady in a game, by the way, not even at practice. I think Brady would overwhelmingly give him a A plus plus. Listen, when Brady went and dealt with Bruce Arians. You don't think Brady ever texted Josh McDaniel's back. Hey, well, come down to Tampa. He was feuding with Bruce Arians, and Tom doesn't already feud with coaches and that thing until like that bye week Week twelve. They were seven and five. Good point, So I hey, Darren Waller, Hunter, renfro, Davante Adams, Josh Jacobs legit the Raiders old line. I don't think it's great, but PF rates it way higher than everybody else. Hold on, Aaron Rodgers makes a ton of money. I don't think they're gonna be able to keep Jacobs in Waller. I mean I was reading Albert Brier this. I mean, Rogers salary is ridiculous. Colin. They're gonna have to do something. They're gonna have to unload some guys to be able to afford him. I mean, he's one of the highest paid quarterbacks next year in the league. Hit on some draft picks. We don't need more good quarterbacks in the AFC. If the Jets are gonna make the playoffs, that's just very difficult. It does feel hopeless if he goes to the Raiders. I just don't see why Aaron Rodgers wouldn't say, you know what, I'm gonna stay and win this NFC and go to the super Bowl. That's the best chance right there. We talked about this yesterday, but Aaron Rodgers said two days ago with Pat McAfee they're having discussions without me, so remember they can trade him. Yeah, Well, don't we make fun of Jerry Jones from meeting with the media all the time. Why are we making fun of Rogers for going on Pat McAfee show every week to just pop off about whatever's on his mind. Because it's very appropriate for players to have opinions about football, It's not as appropriate for owners on a Monday to constantly be talking about football. Let players and coaches talk about football. They're playing it. They're putting their bodies at risk. I feel like you're turning around on Aaron Rodgers. You guys are is there a romance behind the scenes. I don't know about Ala said, first ballot Hall of Famer. Think he's a little high maintenance, little high maintenance, little passive, aggressive, but he's absolutely great. And I think the Raiders two as stars, two big stars, Davante Adams and Josh McDaniel's a coach. He's a big dog there right, big salary. I think they're in market. David, you made a list of the most high maintenance NFL quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers is number one at the top, and then there's a massive gap for whoever number two is Kyler Murray. Massive gap to Kyler Murray. Yes, Aaron Rodgers is number one by an it's not even close. Come on, that's unfair. Okayon Aaron is. Aaron has a lot of money. He wants to do what he wants to do in the off season. He's single, doesn't have kids. Aaron has every right to do what he wants. I think he made a mistake this year not committing with two small college rookie receivers. Aaron's a Hall of Famer. He's great. It's a little high maintenance for me. You know what, so's Lebron. Sometimes it's okay when you're worth one hundred and fifty million dollars. When I hit the powerball, trust me, I'm gonna have breakfast served on set. You know the best comment I saw on the internet this week. Tom Brady has more retirements too than Aaron Rodgers has Super Bowls. Come one, that is, compare a n Come on now is enough. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine a Empacific two NBA Insiders podcasting twice a week to plug you right into the NBA Grade five all happening in only one place this league. Uncut the New NBA Podcast with me Chris Haynes and me Mark Stein join us as we team up to expound on everything we're covering, hearing and chasing. Listen to This League Uncut with Chris Haynes and Mark Stein on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. We're going to the super Bowl. Take a look at our amazing set that's being built in Arizona. We will be there next Thursday and Friday. Right out said its outside State Farm Stadium. We'll have great guests getting ready for the Eagles and Chiefs that's next week right here on the herd. The best part about working for a network, have had two now where my net are well No. Only one because ESPN at the time had never had a Super Bowl. So it's always great to go to a major event where your network has rights to it because you get the best sets and you get the best proximity, and so it Fox. Uh. It'll be a great week. We'll have great guests, great set, great look, great proximity. Arizona is an interesting super Bowl site because you have the games in Glendale, the vibe is in Scottsdale, and there's events downtown in Phoenix. So whereas in Miami it's smaller. It's all Ocean Drive, Ocean Avenue. It's all right, remember how good Miami was. That was that was good. I think Miami's the best super Bowl city in the country and my and all the super Bowls I've been to, Miami to me, does it better because it's all concentrated, largely downtown Miami until the game when you go yeah yeah, but all the restaurants, all the vibe, all the beach, all the activities, it's right hurt. New Orleans is good, but I've never been to a super Bowl there. It is. We did Houston in twenty sixteen. That was not bad. In Houston to driving city, not bad, I didn't say, I mean I enjoyed it. Atlanta, Um, Dallas was a bit of my mask because of the ice storm and there was people standing Fort Worth and then there's Dallas and the ice storm. Just it was the strangest week. Do you remember the flight back from Miami. It was right as COVID was getting ready to start and I gave you a mask before we took our flight back. Do you remember that? No, of course you don't. I don't remember it. I was like, everybody's going to have a mask on on the flight handed you one like four people were wearing masks. I remember. Not to bore you, but I remember the Dallas Super Bowl. I left the Saturday morning instead of staying for the game. I left Saturday morning to go back to Connecticut, and I got on a plane I worked, you know, got on the plane and it was in a nice seat, like seat four or five. I didn't really pay attention to it. And as we were about to take off, one of the stewards or stewardesses said, not many people on this flight. And I looked back. There was nobody on it. There was like six of us in first class. There was nobody on the flight. It was one hundred empty seats. I'd never I thought Saturday morning leaked. Everybody's going to the Super Bowl. Nobody's leaving it on Saturday, and so it's one of those They had to get a plane back to the Northeast because all the planes were flying into Dallas. It was the strangest flight I've ever been on. So this is interesting. Patrick Mahomes is an underdog for the first time in the playoffs. So I read this this morning as a fifteen game streak of being postseason favorites. So it's kind of remarkable first time that he is an underdog in the playoffs, and that just speaks to how good Philadelphia is. And even though the margins in college football we see blowouts all the time, I mean, even in the playoffs you'll see blowouts. Generally, the margins in the NFL between the best team and the worst team are very very close. I saw the Houston Texans play a couple of good teams very close this year. But here's what's interesting if you go back and look at history, even in professional football, the Super Bowl champ blows out over half its schedule. So the Eagles with Jalen Hurt starting this year, entire season including playoffs, had eight blowout wins and are a point from nine. And we consider a blowout ten plus points, so they're a point away from nine blowout wins. The Rams the year before had a low number, only seven blowout wins, but they played in a great division. Arizona at the time was surging, the Niners were legitimate. Seattle had Russell Wilson last year, So the Rams when they were Super Bowl champs had only seven in a very strong division, strong schedule. But the Bucks that won with Brady ten blowout wins. The Chiefs in twenty nineteen with Mahomes ten blowout wins, the Patriots in twenty eighteen ten blowout wins. Philadelphia is a point away from nine blowout wins, and also with Philadelphia because Kansas Hitty had several, but Philadelphia by far and away was the most dominant first half team in the league. So they buried people in the first halfs of games and then took their foot off the gas in the second halfs. So a couple of games that just a couple that weren't blowouts according to the numbers, did feel like Philadelphia dominated the game. So Philadelphia is a favorite over Kansas City and should be. They are. You get about ten blowout wins for the Super Bowl champ on average, and I also think they feel and look like a Super Bowl champ. Think about their playoff wins. They have outscored their opponents in the playoffs with an injured quarterback sixty nine to fourteen. I'm just saying, if you go back to some great Cowboy teams, great Steeler teams. I remember when I was a kid in the mid seventies, and I have no idea what year it was, but the Steelers were so dominant and I'm talking the Bradshaw swan at one point, I do remember three straight shutouts in pro football as Alabama ever had three straight shutouts in college football. You're playing Citadel in the SEC like three times a year, So you think these games are Super Bowl champs reel off about ten blowouts a year of ten or more points. Well, you know you can bet, like an alt line Philly to win by more than ten, Philly to win by more than fifteen. You can do that if it if you think it has a chance. Pat Mahomes getting blown out. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that you blow out the team in the Super Blay. I'm saying as you get to it, you start looking back on schedules in Philadelphia a point from nine blowout wins and dominated first halfs and generally teams come out scripted play you play your best football often early they blew teams doors off. Yeah, and a lot of bad quarterbacks in that uh, and let's blow out bad, below average, terrible, awful. Apparently, Daniel Jones, We're thirty two million a year, isn't that crazy? I have multiple people reach out to me around the country on those stories, like that that is a But you know what you don't want to be, and this is why Jerry wants to extend Dak and why Minnesota keeps extending Kirk Cousins and kicking the cap hit down the road, is that what you don't want to be is in chaos. And you're never in chaos with Dak. You're never in chaos with Kirk Cousins, he says Greg ko Sells starting next hour, as Greg ko Sell says, there's only about five great guys in the world that do this. So if you don't have the five greatest guys in the world, you just want somebody that's capable of winning a playoff game. And I'll say it now, Daniel Jones is, Oh, come on, I know you said five guys, right, Mahomes Burrow Eagles face none of them this year. The best quarterback they faced Aaron Rodgers, Jared Off, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott. Well, you don't think Aaron Rodgers is good? What was he good this year? Yes, he's always good. He had young receivers, but he was good. Jared Goff, by the way, was Jared Goff was solid? Solid? Homey was fantastic. Fasting in like Week three early in the season. M hmm, A lot of takes here, hour or two next,