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All right, here we go. It is a Monday. We are live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. A lot to talk about wherever you may be, and however you may be late listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. One hour from now, jamat so close to your Jets? I said, how do you feel this morning?

All right, here we go. It is a Monday. We are live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. A lot to talk about wherever you may be, and however you may be late listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. One hour from now, jamat so close to your Jets? I said, how do you feel this morning?

Are there moral victories in sports?

Are there moral victories in sports?

I feel like Deon Sanders was at that question over the weekend, or maybe his son, the quarterback wasn't.

I feel like Deon Sanders was at that question over the weekend, or maybe his son, the quarterback wasn't.

It feels like a moral victory if you're allowed to have that.

It feels like a moral victory if you're allowed to have that.

All right, So let's start there. Kansas City ekes by and beats the Jets in New York. So, if I'm a Chiefs fan, I say we played poorly. Mahomes was off his game. We're on the road against the great defense. The opposing quarterback played out of his mind and we won. Check. If I'm a Jets fan, I'm like Zach Wilson, Hey man, that guy was great. Refs did not give us a break, you know what I'm saying. Hey, Mahomes, we gave him nothing but trouble and we overcame a seventeen to nothing deficit. We should have won. I buy the Chiefs argument. Yeah, Kansas City has become lebron. I don't really worry about an occasional regular season stinker. They'll figure it out. Kansas City last year lost to the Colts early in the season, had a special team's meltdown. The Texans were awful and took him to overtime. This week, you had the Travis Kelce Taylor's swift relationship stuff all over the papers, all over the distractions. Listen to Jets. I know you're feeling great today. You lost. You weren't remotely ready to play. You trailed seventeen nothing at home. Zach Wilson still had the key turnover a fumble late in the game, and when the Jets defense, that great defense, had to make a stop, Mahomes toyed with it. Fifteen plays, seven minutes, twenty four seconds, and then to add insult to injury, he slides right before the goal line. He completely, completely, absolutely got what he wanted. There's a reason Aaron Rodgers is in the building. The franchise moved off, Zach. He's not the guy, so moral victories don't work for me. When you needed him to make a play, he fumbled. When you need your Jets defense to make plays, Mahomes manipulated you for seven minutes and twenty four seconds. Buffalo's three and one, they're better. Miami's three and one, they're better. New England already beat you, and now you got to go play Miami twice at Buffalo, at New England Chargers Cleveland on the schedule, Philadelphia two. Last night was a game there for the taking, and you didn't take it. Ask yourself this. When it comes to movies, if it has a great beginning and a great end, it's almost Owa's a great movie, right, Kansas City seventeen to nothing lead sealed it with a long drive. That's a good movie. Congrats on dominating the second quarter. I know I'm supposed to be mister positive here, but Mahomes struggled. Zach Wilson played out of his mind for big chunks of that game, and you lost. In the beginning. Kansas City had a better game plan, better efficiency, jumped out to a huge lead, scuffled in the second quarter, a little bit in the third, but when it mattered, my Holmes again, big drive. So you can see it two ways. I see it this way. A great franchise had an off night and still figured out how to have a great ending and win the game. Get on a flight home, and a bad franchise with a quarterback they've already bailed on. Let's be honest, they bailed on, and that's why Aaron's in town. Out played for big chunks of the game in the middle the Chiefs, but when it mattered, they fumbled and couldn't make a stop. So I understand that everybody's taking these positives away. But in the end, what do you have this morning? Another loss? Aaron promising he'll come back late in the season. Let's be honest, he won't. He can't. That doesn't work that way. His age and that surgery. I know there's supposed to be a bunch of positives here. I don't see it. That game was the Colts game last year where the Chiefs stunk from big chunks of it. Colts beat them. This game was the Texans game last year. Texans took him to overtime. You couldn't make a stop. So you can talk about all the victories and the moral stuff. I'm not trying to be negative, but we know in the end what happened. What happened was Kansas City didn't play well and still won. That's what they do. That's what Lebron did in regular seasons. Lebron for about a ten year stretch, would end up in the finals. And that's why Kansas City ends up in super Bowls. They don't play well, they're on the road, the other quarterback plays out of his mind, and they leave the building fly back home with a W. All Right. The other game that is worth noting, so Miami Buffalo. So when you look at all these teams that we sort of you know, we all kind of agree on teams that feel like they could get to a Super Bowl. You got San Francisco, you got Philadelphia, you got Buffalo, who did I write? You got Dallas? You know, you got Miami. Maybe there's six or seven teams we talk about. Only one of them is pretty weak defensively in terms of personnel. I love Vic Fangio for Miami, the coordinator, but their personnel is very average. They've allowed the fifth most points in the league. And so when you look at them now statistically, I think Miami is built for track meets and not fistfights. They're not built for alley fights, and that yesterday was a little bit of that. If you look at the stats, first downs, time of possession, yards per play, passing yards, you would have thought this thing went to overtime. But if you'll watch the game, you saw Buffalo push Miami around, and that's really the issue. You can beat San Francisco Philly, you generally don't push them around. You can beat Kansas City, you generally don't push them around. The Chargers offense pushed them around, and Buffalo pushed them around on both sides of the ball, and so Josh Allen in the red zone against Miami it looks like varsity against JV. Miami doesn't have the dudes. They in the last twelve games against Josh Allen they're ten and two. His passer ratings about one to ten, and in the red zone it becomes so obvious. They don't have the personnel to stop Josh Allen. He's just better than all their athletes. He's just better than everybody they have on the defensive side, whe or without Vic Fangio. And here's the thing.

All right, So let's start there. Kansas City ekes by and beats the Jets in New York. So, if I'm a Chiefs fan, I say we played poorly. Mahomes was off his game. We're on the road against the great defense. The opposing quarterback played out of his mind and we won. Check. If I'm a Jets fan, I'm like Zach Wilson, Hey man, that guy was great. Refs did not give us a break, you know what I'm saying. Hey, Mahomes, we gave him nothing but trouble and we overcame a seventeen to nothing deficit. We should have won. I buy the Chiefs argument. Yeah, Kansas City has become lebron. I don't really worry about an occasional regular season stinker. They'll figure it out. Kansas City last year lost to the Colts early in the season, had a special team's meltdown. The Texans were awful and took him to overtime. This week, you had the Travis Kelce Taylor's swift relationship stuff all over the papers, all over the distractions. Listen to Jets. I know you're feeling great today. You lost. You weren't remotely ready to play. You trailed seventeen nothing at home. Zach Wilson still had the key turnover a fumble late in the game, and when the Jets defense, that great defense, had to make a stop, Mahomes toyed with it. Fifteen plays, seven minutes, twenty four seconds, and then to add insult to injury, he slides right before the goal line. He completely, completely, absolutely got what he wanted. There's a reason Aaron Rodgers is in the building. The franchise moved off, Zach. He's not the guy, so moral victories don't work for me. When you needed him to make a play, he fumbled. When you need your Jets defense to make plays, Mahomes manipulated you for seven minutes and twenty four seconds. Buffalo's three and one, they're better. Miami's three and one, they're better. New England already beat you, and now you got to go play Miami twice at Buffalo, at New England Chargers Cleveland on the schedule, Philadelphia two. Last night was a game there for the taking, and you didn't take it. Ask yourself this. When it comes to movies, if it has a great beginning and a great end, it's almost Owa's a great movie, right, Kansas City seventeen to nothing lead sealed it with a long drive. That's a good movie. Congrats on dominating the second quarter. I know I'm supposed to be mister positive here, but Mahomes struggled. Zach Wilson played out of his mind for big chunks of that game, and you lost. In the beginning. Kansas City had a better game plan, better efficiency, jumped out to a huge lead, scuffled in the second quarter, a little bit in the third, but when it mattered, my Holmes again, big drive. So you can see it two ways. I see it this way. A great franchise had an off night and still figured out how to have a great ending and win the game. Get on a flight home, and a bad franchise with a quarterback they've already bailed on. Let's be honest, they bailed on, and that's why Aaron's in town. Out played for big chunks of the game in the middle the Chiefs, but when it mattered, they fumbled and couldn't make a stop. So I understand that everybody's taking these positives away. But in the end, what do you have this morning? Another loss? Aaron promising he'll come back late in the season. Let's be honest, he won't. He can't. That doesn't work that way. His age and that surgery. I know there's supposed to be a bunch of positives here. I don't see it. That game was the Colts game last year where the Chiefs stunk from big chunks of it. Colts beat them. This game was the Texans game last year. Texans took him to overtime. You couldn't make a stop. So you can talk about all the victories and the moral stuff. I'm not trying to be negative, but we know in the end what happened. What happened was Kansas City didn't play well and still won. That's what they do. That's what Lebron did in regular seasons. Lebron for about a ten year stretch, would end up in the finals. And that's why Kansas City ends up in super Bowls. They don't play well, they're on the road, the other quarterback plays out of his mind, and they leave the building fly back home with a W. All Right. The other game that is worth noting, so Miami Buffalo. So when you look at all these teams that we sort of you know, we all kind of agree on teams that feel like they could get to a Super Bowl. You got San Francisco, you got Philadelphia, you got Buffalo, who did I write? You got Dallas? You know, you got Miami. Maybe there's six or seven teams we talk about. Only one of them is pretty weak defensively in terms of personnel. I love Vic Fangio for Miami, the coordinator, but their personnel is very average. They've allowed the fifth most points in the league. And so when you look at them now statistically, I think Miami is built for track meets and not fistfights. They're not built for alley fights, and that yesterday was a little bit of that. If you look at the stats, first downs, time of possession, yards per play, passing yards, you would have thought this thing went to overtime. But if you'll watch the game, you saw Buffalo push Miami around, and that's really the issue. You can beat San Francisco Philly, you generally don't push them around. You can beat Kansas City, you generally don't push them around. The Chargers offense pushed them around, and Buffalo pushed them around on both sides of the ball, and so Josh Allen in the red zone against Miami it looks like varsity against JV. Miami doesn't have the dudes. They in the last twelve games against Josh Allen they're ten and two. His passer ratings about one to ten, and in the red zone it becomes so obvious. They don't have the personnel to stop Josh Allen. He's just better than all their athletes. He's just better than everybody they have on the defensive side, whe or without Vic Fangio. And here's the thing.

I love.

I love.

Miami still best watching the league. Arguably they're a very strong offensive team. But this happens in September, in early October, the weather's good. Remember, you scheme up your plays in the offseason, and he reads one of the best September coaches of all time. You catch people off guard. You also, defenses don't tackle particularly well in September because now starters don't play in the preseason. You also, in the summer, you get quarterbacks, tight ends, wide receivers, running backs all playing together. Right, you don't have defensive guys that go be meat in California and Arizona and stand around. So offenses generally have an advantage over defenses early in the season. Then the defense gets some film they can exploit you, They find tendencies, the weather gets cool, and now be honest, New England held Miami to twenty four points and Buffalo held them to twenty. So the two defensive coaches they've faced have pulled them back down to earth. Now, Miami's speed is so phenomenal, there's no question about this. They're gonna make Denver's Swiss cheese defense look awful or the Chargers poorly coach defense look bad. But against Belichick and Sean McDermott in a decent pass rush, and now you don't get everything you want. And that's in September. Try playing those guys when it's thirteen degrees in Windy So I think when I look at the Miami Dolphins, they're gonna go probably obliterate the New York Giants in a short week. Next week, you can bet that game. Right now, Miami's gonna probably obliterate the Giants. But I think through four weeks, when you look at the Miami Dolphins, here's what we have. Wildly creative, brilliant offense, much more built for track meets than street fights. Early in September, they caught people off guard. They're gonna win a bunch of games against bad de defenses or bad defensive coaches, a lot of lobsided wins. But we do have a little tendency here. When you play McDermott's defense or Belichick's defense, it's just not quite as impressive. And when you face a great quarterback, which the AFC has Lamar and Josh Allen and Mahomes and Herbert, they kind of walk through this defense. Never forget most of us thought the Chargers had that game one, up and down the field. Buffalo did have that game one. So it's fun to watch. It's interesting. They're attract meet. I love Miami, but four games in now we got a little sense here. You can move them all up and down the field if you have an elite quarterback, and that's who you're gonna face in the AFC playoffs late an elite quarterback, both Herbert and Allen up and down the field, and I think there's limitations to that. I think they're gonna be a great regular season team. I'm sure they'll win a playoff game, but we got four games now. They are an avalanche against bad the defenses, and they come back down to earth against good defensive coaches and good defensive cultures, and they have no answer for Josh Allen. Absolutely no answer for Josh Allen. Jay MC, it was interesting yesterday. You know, I've been on this thing for a couple of years about defensive coaches and how they don't do great with young quarterbacks. And I still think New England doesn't really know what to do with Mac Jones. But you can't qualify, quantify, you can't call Josh Allen a young quarterback anymore. And the truth is Miami, he does whatever he wants and Miami now has shifted to an offensive culture, so Brian Flores in Miami couldn't stop him. Mike McDaniel's culture now is it's offense. That's what they spend their time at, that's what they're great at. There is still a huge issue for Miami. Josh Allen does whatever he wants against that franchise.

Miami still best watching the league. Arguably they're a very strong offensive team. But this happens in September, in early October, the weather's good. Remember, you scheme up your plays in the offseason, and he reads one of the best September coaches of all time. You catch people off guard. You also, defenses don't tackle particularly well in September because now starters don't play in the preseason. You also, in the summer, you get quarterbacks, tight ends, wide receivers, running backs all playing together. Right, you don't have defensive guys that go be meat in California and Arizona and stand around. So offenses generally have an advantage over defenses early in the season. Then the defense gets some film they can exploit you, They find tendencies, the weather gets cool, and now be honest, New England held Miami to twenty four points and Buffalo held them to twenty. So the two defensive coaches they've faced have pulled them back down to earth. Now, Miami's speed is so phenomenal, there's no question about this. They're gonna make Denver's Swiss cheese defense look awful or the Chargers poorly coach defense look bad. But against Belichick and Sean McDermott in a decent pass rush, and now you don't get everything you want. And that's in September. Try playing those guys when it's thirteen degrees in Windy So I think when I look at the Miami Dolphins, they're gonna go probably obliterate the New York Giants in a short week. Next week, you can bet that game. Right now, Miami's gonna probably obliterate the Giants. But I think through four weeks, when you look at the Miami Dolphins, here's what we have. Wildly creative, brilliant offense, much more built for track meets than street fights. Early in September, they caught people off guard. They're gonna win a bunch of games against bad de defenses or bad defensive coaches, a lot of lobsided wins. But we do have a little tendency here. When you play McDermott's defense or Belichick's defense, it's just not quite as impressive. And when you face a great quarterback, which the AFC has Lamar and Josh Allen and Mahomes and Herbert, they kind of walk through this defense. Never forget most of us thought the Chargers had that game one, up and down the field. Buffalo did have that game one. So it's fun to watch. It's interesting. They're attract meet. I love Miami, but four games in now we got a little sense here. You can move them all up and down the field if you have an elite quarterback, and that's who you're gonna face in the AFC playoffs late an elite quarterback, both Herbert and Allen up and down the field, and I think there's limitations to that. I think they're gonna be a great regular season team. I'm sure they'll win a playoff game, but we got four games now. They are an avalanche against bad the defenses, and they come back down to earth against good defensive coaches and good defensive cultures, and they have no answer for Josh Allen. Absolutely no answer for Josh Allen. Jay MC, it was interesting yesterday. You know, I've been on this thing for a couple of years about defensive coaches and how they don't do great with young quarterbacks. And I still think New England doesn't really know what to do with Mac Jones. But you can't qualify, quantify, you can't call Josh Allen a young quarterback anymore. And the truth is Miami, he does whatever he wants and Miami now has shifted to an offensive culture, so Brian Flores in Miami couldn't stop him. Mike McDaniel's culture now is it's offense. That's what they spend their time at, that's what they're great at. There is still a huge issue for Miami. Josh Allen does whatever he wants against that franchise.

The only guy who can stop Josh Allen is Robert Tala in the New York Jets. They bottled up Allan, intercepted him a bunch in the open. Josh Allen's haying thirty plus on anyone else in the league. Colin, I don't know Bill's going to be number one in the hierarchy tomorrow.

The only guy who can stop Josh Allen is Robert Tala in the New York Jets. They bottled up Allan, intercepted him a bunch in the open. Josh Allen's haying thirty plus on anyone else in the league. Colin, I don't know Bill's going to be number one in the hierarchy tomorrow.

They look really good. Well. I also think we have to be honest about this week one throwing the garbage. I mean, Seattle looked awful. Buffalo looked awful, Like there's some things you can take from it, but in the end, because nobody plays starters in preseason, it's now a seventeen game schedule. Just take out Week one and I feel like I know what the league is. Like week one, I'm like, I'm not sure what anybody is And all of a sudden, now the one thing we did see is Pittsburgh against the good defense Demiko Ryans and then the Niners, like well coached defenses like Kenny Pickett can't play like, I mean, honestly can't.

They look really good. Well. I also think we have to be honest about this week one throwing the garbage. I mean, Seattle looked awful. Buffalo looked awful, Like there's some things you can take from it, but in the end, because nobody plays starters in preseason, it's now a seventeen game schedule. Just take out Week one and I feel like I know what the league is. Like week one, I'm like, I'm not sure what anybody is And all of a sudden, now the one thing we did see is Pittsburgh against the good defense Demiko Ryans and then the Niners, like well coached defenses like Kenny Pickett can't play like, I mean, honestly can't.

Play it now. Steelers, they were disgusting. But it's interesting that week one theory.

Play it now. Steelers, they were disgusting. But it's interesting that week one theory.

So Bill Belichick's used to be throughout the first four weeks. Remember first September is like an incubation period. We see what's going on. You're saying now, just week one is the only one just tossing.

So Bill Belichick's used to be throughout the first four weeks. Remember first September is like an incubation period. We see what's going on. You're saying now, just week one is the only one just tossing.

I just think it's impossible to get your arms around it. Because offensive coaches Sean McVay goes up to Seattle and Pete Carroll has no idea what they're doing. They catch them totally off guard. Now the Seahawks and the Rams feel very similar. That game wasn't even competitive, so I think offensive coaches like Mike McDaniels got such an advantage over all. These coaches scheming, and it's like now they've come back down to earth when they face defensive cultures. So it's this is what you have. But I found yesterday. I feel like I kind of know what everybody is now. Now. We had a good, blazing five obviously, but I do feel like we're a month in after that Miami Buffalo game. I kind of have a feeling straints, weaknesses, liabilities, shortcomings. I kind of feel like I kind of know the league today right now. That's where I'm at. Colin Wright, Colin wrong In forty five minutes from now.

I just think it's impossible to get your arms around it. Because offensive coaches Sean McVay goes up to Seattle and Pete Carroll has no idea what they're doing. They catch them totally off guard. Now the Seahawks and the Rams feel very similar. That game wasn't even competitive, so I think offensive coaches like Mike McDaniels got such an advantage over all. These coaches scheming, and it's like now they've come back down to earth when they face defensive cultures. So it's this is what you have. But I found yesterday. I feel like I kind of know what everybody is now. Now. We had a good, blazing five obviously, but I do feel like we're a month in after that Miami Buffalo game. I kind of have a feeling straints, weaknesses, liabilities, shortcomings. I kind of feel like I kind of know the league today right now. That's where I'm at. Colin Wright, Colin wrong In forty five minutes from now.

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All right, welcome back. So we talk about this a lot that when you're a young quarterback in the NFL, you're trying to figure stuff out, you need all the support you can have from your owner, from your team, from your roster. I thought two defensive coaches did a really disservice or really bad job for the young quarterback. So Chicago can't do anything right. Their defensive coach can't figure out defense. Huge problem. Time to go. So it's twenty eight to twenty eight. Justin Fields gets you into field goal position. It's fourth and one. Kick a field goal. Give Justin Field a win, doesn't matter. If he loses the game, it doesn't matter. He needs positive vibes. So Justin Fields bring you down fourth and one. Super creative play. What a shock you don't have one. They fail. Denver gets the ball back, goes and kicks a field goal. And then you give Justin Fields the ball with about a minute left and say, hey, save us, kid, this is bad. You let him give you a thirty one twenty eight lead. Positive vibes. The kids getting crushed on radio, crushed on TV, crushed by fans. He gives you the lead. If your defense fails Matt Eberflus couple of years now, it's still awful. That's your side of the ball. If the defense fails, then the coach can get crushed all week. But give the kid a win. He got you in field goal position. He played pretty well for most of the game, not great late, but pretty well. Lead you to a thirty one twenty eight lead positive vibes all week. If your defense can't hold it can't hold anybody. That's a u problem. But you give your young quarterback a shot instead, it's an uncreative shocker run into the line. You do not put the ball in the hands of your best offensive skill player, which is Justin Fields. Didn't I rip the Charger coach last week for that. Give your star the ball, move him, pick up a yard if you're gonna run a play, if not field goal, take a lead. You were in that game. You outplayed him. Fields had his best game as a pro. You had a chance to cap it. Even if you lost that game, the last thing you remember is, hey, Fields got us down there. We led Justin Fields. There is hope for the future. Instead, he fails there. You put the ball in the wrong hands. These defensive coaches can't figure it out. Would you give your best player and a fourth and won the ball? Like Philadelphia Jalen hurts yesterday the Chargers, to their credit on a fourth and one. I hated the call, but they gave it to Justin Herbert. You give it to a back, What are you doing? Okay? Then Washington huge underdog goes on the road in Philly. Sam Howe has a great, great throw to get you within a point. So let's roll the tape on that great play by Sam Howell. Played his butt off. You're a huge underdog on the road. You don't want to go to overtime with Jalen Hurts and a better roster on the road, go for two after this, go for two if the kid doesn't make it. The story all week is hey, Sam Howe played his butt off. He gave us Nobody expects you to win this game. In fact, after this touchdown pass, if you failed on the two point conversion, you don't get crushed for it. Those are hard to make. Instead, you kick the extra point, go to overtime. Is a ten point dog on the road against the better roster. Philadelphia was averaging six point six yards of play heading into overtime. You couldn't stop him anyway. They're a better team with the better quarterback and a better roster in a better old line. So these are two great examples. Set your young quarterback up for success when you're in a game at home and can take a lead, do it for the kid when you're on the road as a huge dog. Philadelphia's defense is worn out, been on the field end of the game, and you can win it and walk out of there and steal a win and go for it. This is oddvy stuff. This isn't deep contextualization. This is easy stuff. Just think about it. There's a difference between plan at home, plan on the road, plan a division rival, being a huge underdog overachieving. It's amazing to me, just two examples of defensive coaches that don't understand just basic stuff. This is why so many young quarterbacks are failing with defensive coaches they don't know. I mean, Pittsburgh's a great organization. Kendy Pickett, you're two years in. He's regressing. He wouldn't be regressing if he had Mike McDaniel. He wouldn't be regressing with Sean McVeigh. How McVeigh is getting all these young backs, young receivers, young offensive linemen to play. You think it's coincidence. You think it's crazy that every time they bring somebody into the forty nine ers with Kyle Shanahan, they flourish. Christian McCaffrey's one of the best players in the league. Now half you hated the trade. J Mack with a.

All right, welcome back. So we talk about this a lot that when you're a young quarterback in the NFL, you're trying to figure stuff out, you need all the support you can have from your owner, from your team, from your roster. I thought two defensive coaches did a really disservice or really bad job for the young quarterback. So Chicago can't do anything right. Their defensive coach can't figure out defense. Huge problem. Time to go. So it's twenty eight to twenty eight. Justin Fields gets you into field goal position. It's fourth and one. Kick a field goal. Give Justin Field a win, doesn't matter. If he loses the game, it doesn't matter. He needs positive vibes. So Justin Fields bring you down fourth and one. Super creative play. What a shock you don't have one. They fail. Denver gets the ball back, goes and kicks a field goal. And then you give Justin Fields the ball with about a minute left and say, hey, save us, kid, this is bad. You let him give you a thirty one twenty eight lead. Positive vibes. The kids getting crushed on radio, crushed on TV, crushed by fans. He gives you the lead. If your defense fails Matt Eberflus couple of years now, it's still awful. That's your side of the ball. If the defense fails, then the coach can get crushed all week. But give the kid a win. He got you in field goal position. He played pretty well for most of the game, not great late, but pretty well. Lead you to a thirty one twenty eight lead positive vibes all week. If your defense can't hold it can't hold anybody. That's a u problem. But you give your young quarterback a shot instead, it's an uncreative shocker run into the line. You do not put the ball in the hands of your best offensive skill player, which is Justin Fields. Didn't I rip the Charger coach last week for that. Give your star the ball, move him, pick up a yard if you're gonna run a play, if not field goal, take a lead. You were in that game. You outplayed him. Fields had his best game as a pro. You had a chance to cap it. Even if you lost that game, the last thing you remember is, hey, Fields got us down there. We led Justin Fields. There is hope for the future. Instead, he fails there. You put the ball in the wrong hands. These defensive coaches can't figure it out. Would you give your best player and a fourth and won the ball? Like Philadelphia Jalen hurts yesterday the Chargers, to their credit on a fourth and one. I hated the call, but they gave it to Justin Herbert. You give it to a back, What are you doing? Okay? Then Washington huge underdog goes on the road in Philly. Sam Howe has a great, great throw to get you within a point. So let's roll the tape on that great play by Sam Howell. Played his butt off. You're a huge underdog on the road. You don't want to go to overtime with Jalen Hurts and a better roster on the road, go for two after this, go for two if the kid doesn't make it. The story all week is hey, Sam Howe played his butt off. He gave us Nobody expects you to win this game. In fact, after this touchdown pass, if you failed on the two point conversion, you don't get crushed for it. Those are hard to make. Instead, you kick the extra point, go to overtime. Is a ten point dog on the road against the better roster. Philadelphia was averaging six point six yards of play heading into overtime. You couldn't stop him anyway. They're a better team with the better quarterback and a better roster in a better old line. So these are two great examples. Set your young quarterback up for success when you're in a game at home and can take a lead, do it for the kid when you're on the road as a huge dog. Philadelphia's defense is worn out, been on the field end of the game, and you can win it and walk out of there and steal a win and go for it. This is oddvy stuff. This isn't deep contextualization. This is easy stuff. Just think about it. There's a difference between plan at home, plan on the road, plan a division rival, being a huge underdog overachieving. It's amazing to me, just two examples of defensive coaches that don't understand just basic stuff. This is why so many young quarterbacks are failing with defensive coaches they don't know. I mean, Pittsburgh's a great organization. Kendy Pickett, you're two years in. He's regressing. He wouldn't be regressing if he had Mike McDaniel. He wouldn't be regressing with Sean McVeigh. How McVeigh is getting all these young backs, young receivers, young offensive linemen to play. You think it's coincidence. You think it's crazy that every time they bring somebody into the forty nine ers with Kyle Shanahan, they flourish. Christian McCaffrey's one of the best players in the league. Now half you hated the trade. J Mack with a.

News no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herdline news.

News no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herdline news.

Remember when they used to call him riverboat Ron because he was a riverboat gambler, Ron rivera risk taker.

Remember when they used to call him riverboat Ron because he was a riverboat gambler, Ron rivera risk taker.

Colin not going for two?

Colin not going for two?

Why would you ever want to go into overtime against a better quarterback, a better roster, a better team at home? Like when you can steal wins as a huge dog, It's like an understood rule in football. You just go for him. Philadelphia is on the field, little gas defensively, go for the win.

Why would you ever want to go into overtime against a better quarterback, a better roster, a better team at home? Like when you can steal wins as a huge dog, It's like an understood rule in football. You just go for him. Philadelphia is on the field, little gas defensively, go for the win.

His excuse was his offense was gassed because they had to go like ninety yards in ninety second fans field a bad move.

His excuse was his offense was gassed because they had to go like ninety yards in ninety second fans field a bad move.

But I had the Eagles in my survivor pool. All they had to do was win. I was a little stressing over that.

But I had the Eagles in my survivor pool. All they had to do was win. I was a little stressing over that.

By the way, Sam Howell like alternating good weeks and bad weeks. Now like Sam Howell was impressive call that final drive them well.

By the way, Sam Howell like alternating good weeks and bad weeks. Now like Sam Howell was impressive call that final drive them well.

Also, you know, take out week one. Josh Allen has crushed everybody. I think Washington just ran into the best team in the league. Philadelphia is undefeated, but they're not playing particularly well.

Also, you know, take out week one. Josh Allen has crushed everybody. I think Washington just ran into the best team in the league. Philadelphia is undefeated, but they're not playing particularly well.

Was it to your throughout week one theory? You're right, Howell was good in Denver. I mean, Buffalo is real's.

Was it to your throughout week one theory? You're right, Howell was good in Denver. I mean, Buffalo is real's.

Been good all year. He was undressed Shack nine times against Buffalo. Maybe it's just Buffalo is on fire. Buffalo is the best team in the league. It's just in Week one you don't play anybody in the preseason. Some moving parts on defense are not the same team.

Been good all year. He was undressed Shack nine times against Buffalo. Maybe it's just Buffalo is on fire. Buffalo is the best team in the league. It's just in Week one you don't play anybody in the preseason. Some moving parts on defense are not the same team.

Great point.

Great point.

Speaking of bad teams, Oh my gosh, Joe Burrow in the Bengals, this was my super Bowl pick before the season.

Speaking of bad teams, Oh my gosh, Joe Burrow in the Bengals, this was my super Bowl pick before the season.

Colin they are an abomination. Three points, that's it.

Colin they are an abomination. Three points, that's it.

In Tennessee, they got it on their first drive and did nothing the rest of the way. Second time this season the Bengals scored just three points. Joe Burrow's really ticked off.

In Tennessee, they got it on their first drive and did nothing the rest of the way. Second time this season the Bengals scored just three points. Joe Burrow's really ticked off.

I would say, whenever you're one and three, you're gonna be frustrated, You're gonna be angry, you're gonna be you know, wanting to win games, and we haven't been and we're not gonna let anything like that, you know, come between us. That's how you end up having a bad season.

I would say, whenever you're one and three, you're gonna be frustrated, You're gonna be angry, you're gonna be you know, wanting to win games, and we haven't been and we're not gonna let anything like that, you know, come between us. That's how you end up having a bad season.

So let's start.

So let's start.

I had a bad first quarter, so we got three more quarters of the year to get through and go from there.

I had a bad first quarter, so we got three more quarters of the year to get through and go from there.

Yeah, well, they've stumbled a little early. The last couple of seasons. But this feels different.

Yeah, well, they've stumbled a little early. The last couple of seasons. But this feels different.

Yeah. Yeah, By the way, wonder what that's reflexive of? Huh what it was with slow starts? Well, let's talk about it. Slow starts, Colin. It's the coach. You gotta get your team motivated. You got to get a great game plan.

Yeah. Yeah, By the way, wonder what that's reflexive of? Huh what it was with slow starts? Well, let's talk about it. Slow starts, Colin. It's the coach. You gotta get your team motivated. You got to get a great game plan.

And I told you after the Rams win, even they beat the Rams on Monday, I was like, oh, well the Rams for about two and a half three courters, I'm telling you this, This coach on the Bengals should be on the hot seat. I know they went to the Super Bowl recently and they got Burrow, but I mean, Bengals fans starting to turn yesterday. I don't know if you saw it online day No, it's starting to happen.

And I told you after the Rams win, even they beat the Rams on Monday, I was like, oh, well the Rams for about two and a half three courters, I'm telling you this, This coach on the Bengals should be on the hot seat. I know they went to the Super Bowl recently and they got Burrow, but I mean, Bengals fans starting to turn yesterday. I don't know if you saw it online day No, it's starting to happen.

I didn't. Here's another thing, how many times Burrow got smoked hard multiple times and they.

I didn't. Here's another thing, how many times Burrow got smoked hard multiple times and they.

Just keep spending money on the offensive line. Like, what's going on?

Just keep spending money on the offensive line. Like, what's going on?

Three four years now? Somebody please protect Joe Burrow. I mean he and he and Justin Herbert yesterday took shots the kind of stuff that knocks quarterbacks out for.

Three four years now? Somebody please protect Joe Burrow. I mean he and he and Justin Herbert yesterday took shots the kind of stuff that knocks quarterbacks out for.

The Did you see Chase after the game, was like, I'm always bleeping open.

The Did you see Chase after the game, was like, I'm always bleeping open.

He's not happy.

He's not happy.

T Higgins got hurt, by the way, And if you really want to see how far the Bengals have fallen, they're now on the road in Arizona this week.

T Higgins got hurt, by the way, And if you really want to see how far the Bengals have fallen, they're now on the road in Arizona this week.

Do you want to guess what the line is for that game?

Do you want to guess what the line is for that game?

Arizona favored by no, no.

Arizona favored by no, no.

Cincinnati at Arizona. Arizona's a favorite.

Cincinnati at Arizona. Arizona's a favorite.

I think Arizona could beat him one to three.

I think Arizona could beat him one to three.

Cincinnati only favored by three, it was like six and a half.

Cincinnati only favored by three, it was like six and a half.

Oh, I wouldn't take Arizona. I thought. I watched Arizona against Dallas in San Francisco.

Oh, I wouldn't take Arizona. I thought. I watched Arizona against Dallas in San Francisco.

Arizona plays really hard.

Arizona plays really hard.

They do, and I do think defensively they're clever, and I know I think they're I think they're a little faster than we thought. Josh Dobbs can make plays. I think Arizona is not a good team. They're gonna be at least now. You know, they still believe they can beat anybody. Maybe if they lose seven straight. But like right now, I wouldn't want to play Arizona in Arizona. I wouldn't want to play them in the desert.

They do, and I do think defensively they're clever, and I know I think they're I think they're a little faster than we thought. Josh Dobbs can make plays. I think Arizona is not a good team. They're gonna be at least now. You know, they still believe they can beat anybody. Maybe if they lose seven straight. But like right now, I wouldn't want to play Arizona in Arizona. I wouldn't want to play them in the desert.

Can the Bengals rebound? I don't think they're a playoff team right now.

Can the Bengals rebound? I don't think they're a playoff team right now.

Colin.

Colin.

I don't see a path to the playoffs in it.

I don't see a path to the playoffs in it.

Yeah, it's not good.

Yeah, it's not good.

The division is is rough. It's a bad, bad start. All right, Let's move on to another crappy team in that division. I'm done with these guys. The Pittsburgh Steelers their worst offensive performance of the season Sunday, scored six points. They were one of six teams that did not find the end zone yesterday. It was a rough day for offense. After the game, Mike Tomlin he's had enough and adjustments will be made.

The division is is rough. It's a bad, bad start. All right, Let's move on to another crappy team in that division. I'm done with these guys. The Pittsburgh Steelers their worst offensive performance of the season Sunday, scored six points. They were one of six teams that did not find the end zone yesterday. It was a rough day for offense. After the game, Mike Tomlin he's had enough and adjustments will be made.

Hell, yeah, we got to make some changes, man. That was That was an ugly product we put out there today, and so we're not going to do the same things and hope for a different outcome. What those changes are, man, We'll put together a plan in preparation this week.

Hell, yeah, we got to make some changes, man. That was That was an ugly product we put out there today, and so we're not going to do the same things and hope for a different outcome. What those changes are, man, We'll put together a plan in preparation this week.

It's not just the offense day. Defense did not sack c J. Stroud, generated no turnovers against the Rooie quarterback.

It's not just the offense day. Defense did not sack c J. Stroud, generated no turnovers against the Rooie quarterback.

How about this. CJ. Stroud makes no mistakes and they've got an excellent young defensive coach. Some of this is and by the way, I'm not comparing this to New England Brady Belichick, but when the dynasty started in New England, it was basically a great defensive coach and a game manager. And Tom that made no mistakes, Like he just didn't make mistakes. The formula, and this is not the Patriots, but the formula. What Houston's doing to keep them in games is excellent defensive coach. CJ. Stroud makes no mistakes. They're only two and two, but they're in every game. That's a formula. Minnesota in their good years does this, you know. I mean, like now again when Zimmer was there and they had a couple of decent, decent defenses, and then you had Kirk Cousins doing what he does, low ceiling, like, there's a lot of wins on the table in the NFL. Being Houston, their formula excellent defensive coach, keep everything in front of you, make people beat you over the top, and have a quarterback that doesn't turn it over.

How about this. CJ. Stroud makes no mistakes and they've got an excellent young defensive coach. Some of this is and by the way, I'm not comparing this to New England Brady Belichick, but when the dynasty started in New England, it was basically a great defensive coach and a game manager. And Tom that made no mistakes, Like he just didn't make mistakes. The formula, and this is not the Patriots, but the formula. What Houston's doing to keep them in games is excellent defensive coach. CJ. Stroud makes no mistakes. They're only two and two, but they're in every game. That's a formula. Minnesota in their good years does this, you know. I mean, like now again when Zimmer was there and they had a couple of decent, decent defenses, and then you had Kirk Cousins doing what he does, low ceiling, like, there's a lot of wins on the table in the NFL. Being Houston, their formula excellent defensive coach, keep everything in front of you, make people beat you over the top, and have a quarterback that doesn't turn it over.

You know.

You know.

The old saying is you lose a lot more games in the NFL than you win. Houston may only win seven eight games. They need more playmakers, but their formula when you watch them play, is a sustainable formula.

The old saying is you lose a lot more games in the NFL than you win. Houston may only win seven eight games. They need more playmakers, but their formula when you watch them play, is a sustainable formula.

Hey, by the way, seven or eight may win that division. I think three teams are two or two, like it's a jumbled mess. I'm gonna say this. So I hype Pittsburgh in the offseason. I hyped them this week. And one thing I told you I was worried about was the familiarity. Tomiko Ryan's coming from San France. The OC of the Houston Texans is the former passing game coordinator of the forty nine ers. You know who they look like? The Texans. On offense, they looked like the forty nine ers. They ran the same stuff that the forty nine Ers ran. In Week one to obliterate the Steelers, Nico Collins was in the role of Brandon Ayuk and he destroyed Pittsburgh. Colin, the Steelers have to do some real soul searching this Matt Canada situation.

Hey, by the way, seven or eight may win that division. I think three teams are two or two, like it's a jumbled mess. I'm gonna say this. So I hype Pittsburgh in the offseason. I hyped them this week. And one thing I told you I was worried about was the familiarity. Tomiko Ryan's coming from San France. The OC of the Houston Texans is the former passing game coordinator of the forty nine ers. You know who they look like? The Texans. On offense, they looked like the forty nine ers. They ran the same stuff that the forty nine Ers ran. In Week one to obliterate the Steelers, Nico Collins was in the role of Brandon Ayuk and he destroyed Pittsburgh. Colin, the Steelers have to do some real soul searching this Matt Canada situation.

Just get him out of the building.

Just get him out of the building.

It's over.

It's over.

Get him out. I don't want to see a pallin glaze anymore.

Get him out. I don't want to see a pallin glaze anymore.

I counted ten teams in my opinion, that will draft a quarterback New England after yesterday, will, Atlanta will. So there's the Jets. I don't know if Zach Wilson played well the rest of the year, I can see him just saying fine. Might have been an out liable, but we'll see you. But I when you watch Pittsburgh, you can blame Canada. I've never been a huge Kenny Pickett Guy's fine, but I would Pittsburgh in the next draft. Round four or five. They don't need outside of old lines. They got no needs here or five. Well, I mean just a little earlier than that. The roster is mostly set.

I counted ten teams in my opinion, that will draft a quarterback New England after yesterday, will, Atlanta will. So there's the Jets. I don't know if Zach Wilson played well the rest of the year, I can see him just saying fine. Might have been an out liable, but we'll see you. But I when you watch Pittsburgh, you can blame Canada. I've never been a huge Kenny Pickett Guy's fine, but I would Pittsburgh in the next draft. Round four or five. They don't need outside of old lines. They got no needs here or five. Well, I mean just a little earlier than that. The roster is mostly set.

Colin.

Colin.

They had fifty three yards at halftime. I know the Texans at two hundred and seventy one.

They had fifty three yards at halftime. I know the Texans at two hundred and seventy one.

No brutal, I'm sorry.

No brutal, I'm sorry.

People, All right, final story, that NBA big trade all this is crazy.

People, All right, final story, that NBA big trade all this is crazy.

Drew Holliday on the move again.

Drew Holliday on the move again.

He was traded from the Bucks to Portland, and over the weekend he was shipped to Boston, sent in exchange for Robert Williams, Malcolm Brogden and two first round picks to future. One of them is like twenty twenty nine, so that's way down the road. The Celtics officially have traded any depth they had. They have now lost four contributors from their team. Yeah, four potential stars and Porzingis and Drew Holliday.

He was traded from the Bucks to Portland, and over the weekend he was shipped to Boston, sent in exchange for Robert Williams, Malcolm Brogden and two first round picks to future. One of them is like twenty twenty nine, so that's way down the road. The Celtics officially have traded any depth they had. They have now lost four contributors from their team. Yeah, four potential stars and Porzingis and Drew Holliday.

This is risky for Boston.

This is risky for Boston.

I think Boston now is the best team in the East. I thought this was a huge interesting so now because what has been our issue with Boston coaching didn't solve that, but the coach should be better in a second year. We always feel Miami face Boston spolster against the kid oh trouble. But the issue has been they become so reliant on Tatum that it's stressful. Will he be great late in games? Will he melt? There is not nearly the pressure on Tatum. Now, I've got Jalen Brown, I've got Drew Holliday, I've got poor Zingis. Robert Williams doesn't score. Poor Zingis is a very potentially dynamic offensive player in Spurts. Drew Holliday is a much better offensive player than Marcus Smart. They are a significantly more dangerous offensive team. And that is our thing with Boston. We know they play hard, we know they played defense, we know they're smart. But our question was always if Jason Tatum was off, you can't rely on outside of Jalen Brown, Ol Horford, Robert Williams, Marcus Smart. To me, this is four guys for Boston that can get you a bucket late in the game, even Al Horford occasionally, But I mean Porzingis, Drew Jalen Tatum, those guys are veterans. Well, all those guys could get you a bucket with three minutes left in a playoff.

I think Boston now is the best team in the East. I thought this was a huge interesting so now because what has been our issue with Boston coaching didn't solve that, but the coach should be better in a second year. We always feel Miami face Boston spolster against the kid oh trouble. But the issue has been they become so reliant on Tatum that it's stressful. Will he be great late in games? Will he melt? There is not nearly the pressure on Tatum. Now, I've got Jalen Brown, I've got Drew Holliday, I've got poor Zingis. Robert Williams doesn't score. Poor Zingis is a very potentially dynamic offensive player in Spurts. Drew Holliday is a much better offensive player than Marcus Smart. They are a significantly more dangerous offensive team. And that is our thing with Boston. We know they play hard, we know they played defense, we know they're smart. But our question was always if Jason Tatum was off, you can't rely on outside of Jalen Brown, Ol Horford, Robert Williams, Marcus Smart. To me, this is four guys for Boston that can get you a bucket late in the game, even Al Horford occasionally, But I mean Porzingis, Drew Jalen Tatum, those guys are veterans. Well, all those guys could get you a bucket with three minutes left in a playoff.

That the big concern is in the front court. Porzingis, you know, has a sadly a rich injury history, and Al Horford's thirty seven behind them, there's like nothing. So Porzingis is down for two months, It's gonna be tough for Buston.

That the big concern is in the front court. Porzingis, you know, has a sadly a rich injury history, and Al Horford's thirty seven behind them, there's like nothing. So Porzingis is down for two months, It's gonna be tough for Buston.

I do. I'm with you. I think the best team in the ease them.

I do. I'm with you. I think the best team in the ease them.

Yeah, I think. I mean the question about Dame to Milwaukee, and I think that was a great fit and a great move. They still remain old outside of Yiannis. The team just feels everybody's past their prime. Middleton, Dame, Brook Lopez right, whereas Boston, Tatum's still in his prime, Jalen Brown still in his prime. I don't know what Porzingis's prime is. He's somewhere around his twenties. Yeah, I mean to me, so Porzingis for what he is, is in his prime, Jalen in his prime, Tatum and his prime. Drew's out of it, but he takes such great care of himself. He's got a He'll have a very long last six years of being a very steady player. So I think I think they're more athletic, I think they're better offensively. I think the pieces fit together. Marcus Smart can be at times a little bit of an agitator. Yeah, Drew Holidays more of a lubricator and a better offensive player. I love it real quick.

Yeah, I think. I mean the question about Dame to Milwaukee, and I think that was a great fit and a great move. They still remain old outside of Yiannis. The team just feels everybody's past their prime. Middleton, Dame, Brook Lopez right, whereas Boston, Tatum's still in his prime, Jalen Brown still in his prime. I don't know what Porzingis's prime is. He's somewhere around his twenties. Yeah, I mean to me, so Porzingis for what he is, is in his prime, Jalen in his prime, Tatum and his prime. Drew's out of it, but he takes such great care of himself. He's got a He'll have a very long last six years of being a very steady player. So I think I think they're more athletic, I think they're better offensively. I think the pieces fit together. Marcus Smart can be at times a little bit of an agitator. Yeah, Drew Holidays more of a lubricator and a better offensive player. I love it real quick.

Portland people want to know why would they add another point guard and Robert Williams.

Portland people want to know why would they add another point guard and Robert Williams.

After they just added eight. The thought is they will flip those.

After they just added eight. The thought is they will flip those.

Two guys to contenders, you know, baby, around the trade deadline and get more assets for the future.

Two guys to contenders, you know, baby, around the trade deadline and get more assets for the future.

So not a bad deal for Portland.

So not a bad deal for Portland.

Jamack with the news.

Jamack with the news.

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All right, welcome back, Good to have you know. And a Monday Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, top of next hour in Greg Olsen, great second hour planned. So there are the when you it doesn't matter if you're at work or not, but if you're struggling at work, you're struggling in football, you're struggling. There become these moments where your bosses are watching you, or your teammates, your employees are watching you, and you have a great moment and everybody's like, he's gonna make it. Eli Manning had a few of these in his first three years when he was struggling. Zach Wilson maybe that was the moment yesterday for New York. I don't think it is. I think they've moved off him. But he had a great moment. Justin Fields maybe got some allies in the building yesterday with his performance. But I thought yesterday was a not only a bad day for mac Jones, I think emotionally moved off him in New England and I think they're going to draft a quarterback. So it has been reported New England coaches in the offseason were furious with mac Jones. That's been reported for seeking advice outside of the building. That happened about a year and a half ago. The coaches were furious. It's well documented. I've been told his cheap shots. He was confronted by a teammate last year. His teammates don't like the cheap shots to players. He's had four or five of those. And then you just watch him athletically in the AFC alone, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert Mahomes, Trevor Lawrence. He looks junior varsity. He just doesn't have it. He doesn't have can he be accurate? At times? He looks so overwhelmed against feisty, fast defenses against the Jets, against the Bills before in this game against Dallas, like he's pathetic and so where is allies in the building? Trubisky struggled in Chicago, his teammates liked him. When Justin Fields has struggled at times in Chicago a lot, it feels like his teammates like him. Where are the allies for mac Jones? He was called McEnroe Jones at Alabama. He's ticked off the coaches. Basically, Belichick's just told Bill Obrian, you have him. I don't want to deal with him. He's apparently I've been told. Last year, confronted by a teammate over the cheap shots, nobody rushed to his defense. This year, nobody publicly defended him on the Sauce Gardner shot. And then you watch the body language. You watch him yesterday. I have never seen a Belichick team that listless with that little fight. Ever, forget the score. That team had no juice, no energy. They weren't ready to go. Kansas City was struggling, but you could sense Mahomes yelling, talking. There's a body language quot there's a sense that Mahomes is never out of a game. You see this a lot with good quarterbacks and respected players. I don't think he has any allies in the building. I don't think the coaching staff loves him. I think he's short with people. I don't think you know he and Juju smith Schuster like don't work well. Whose responsibility is that make it work? If I'm going to criticize Aaron Rodgers for not working with young receivers last year and I did well, Jujus Smith Schuster's a veteran receiver. Max been in the league now several years. Make it work. That's your job. A receiver can only do so much. Make it work. Mahomes makes it work, Burrow Allen, make it work, Stefan Diggs, Josh Allen had drama, they talked it out. Now it's working again. That's a quarterback's responsibility. A wide receiver can only do so much. Josh Allen, you got to make it work. He did. And so I've just never seen a New England team. No energy, bad body language. I mean, I'm not going to say they quit, but it's like that effort. Now, Christian Gonzalez got that's a problem. But here was Belichick. After the game. He pulled Mac Jones and had to answer some questions bill to.

All right, welcome back, Good to have you know. And a Monday Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, top of next hour in Greg Olsen, great second hour planned. So there are the when you it doesn't matter if you're at work or not, but if you're struggling at work, you're struggling in football, you're struggling. There become these moments where your bosses are watching you, or your teammates, your employees are watching you, and you have a great moment and everybody's like, he's gonna make it. Eli Manning had a few of these in his first three years when he was struggling. Zach Wilson maybe that was the moment yesterday for New York. I don't think it is. I think they've moved off him. But he had a great moment. Justin Fields maybe got some allies in the building yesterday with his performance. But I thought yesterday was a not only a bad day for mac Jones, I think emotionally moved off him in New England and I think they're going to draft a quarterback. So it has been reported New England coaches in the offseason were furious with mac Jones. That's been reported for seeking advice outside of the building. That happened about a year and a half ago. The coaches were furious. It's well documented. I've been told his cheap shots. He was confronted by a teammate last year. His teammates don't like the cheap shots to players. He's had four or five of those. And then you just watch him athletically in the AFC alone, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert Mahomes, Trevor Lawrence. He looks junior varsity. He just doesn't have it. He doesn't have can he be accurate? At times? He looks so overwhelmed against feisty, fast defenses against the Jets, against the Bills before in this game against Dallas, like he's pathetic and so where is allies in the building? Trubisky struggled in Chicago, his teammates liked him. When Justin Fields has struggled at times in Chicago a lot, it feels like his teammates like him. Where are the allies for mac Jones? He was called McEnroe Jones at Alabama. He's ticked off the coaches. Basically, Belichick's just told Bill Obrian, you have him. I don't want to deal with him. He's apparently I've been told. Last year, confronted by a teammate over the cheap shots, nobody rushed to his defense. This year, nobody publicly defended him on the Sauce Gardner shot. And then you watch the body language. You watch him yesterday. I have never seen a Belichick team that listless with that little fight. Ever, forget the score. That team had no juice, no energy. They weren't ready to go. Kansas City was struggling, but you could sense Mahomes yelling, talking. There's a body language quot there's a sense that Mahomes is never out of a game. You see this a lot with good quarterbacks and respected players. I don't think he has any allies in the building. I don't think the coaching staff loves him. I think he's short with people. I don't think you know he and Juju smith Schuster like don't work well. Whose responsibility is that make it work? If I'm going to criticize Aaron Rodgers for not working with young receivers last year and I did well, Jujus Smith Schuster's a veteran receiver. Max been in the league now several years. Make it work. That's your job. A receiver can only do so much. Make it work. Mahomes makes it work, Burrow Allen, make it work, Stefan Diggs, Josh Allen had drama, they talked it out. Now it's working again. That's a quarterback's responsibility. A wide receiver can only do so much. Josh Allen, you got to make it work. He did. And so I've just never seen a New England team. No energy, bad body language. I mean, I'm not going to say they quit, but it's like that effort. Now, Christian Gonzalez got that's a problem. But here was Belichick. After the game. He pulled Mac Jones and had to answer some questions bill to.

The decision to take Mac out at three point forty one remaining in.

The decision to take Mac out at three point forty one remaining in.

The third quarter.

The third quarter.

I think there was any point leaving him in the game.

I think there was any point leaving him in the game.

Will he be starting next week against the Saints.

Will he be starting next week against the Saints.

Yeah, just so there's no point leaving him in the game.

Yeah, just so there's no point leaving him in the game.

So though he was he benched for bid.

So though he was he benched for bid.

No, I said, there was no point in leaving him out there, so I took him out. Not good. So I wrote down a list of the teams that I think are going to go and draft a quarterback early. We kind of know who it is, Like Atlanta, the Desmond Ritter stuff. It doesn't work, he's not a franchise quarterback. Las Vegas, Garoppolo's hurt. Aidan O'Connell's a backup, He's got something. But Josh McDaniels, you know it's Vegas. They're gonna go draft a big quarterback. It's a great college quarterback class, you know. And I was writing down all these names, some envious, some not so obvious. Minnesota probably, if not moves off, drafts a quarterback. The Jets at some point, not first second pick, maybe third pick. They got to have somebody in the building. I think New England's gonna draft a quarterback. If you look at their roster, they need a speed receiver. They have no history of drafting them well in the first round. I think they're gonna go get a quarterback. I think when you're losing, you gotta have something. You gotta have co workers, coaches. Culture. By the way, you think Bob Kraft likes all those cheap shots on his brand, that's bad for the culture. Belichick doesn't like him. He can say whatever he wants, but he doesn't have any allies. And that felt like a quarterback that just wasn't ready and quit did it not a little.

No, I said, there was no point in leaving him out there, so I took him out. Not good. So I wrote down a list of the teams that I think are going to go and draft a quarterback early. We kind of know who it is, Like Atlanta, the Desmond Ritter stuff. It doesn't work, he's not a franchise quarterback. Las Vegas, Garoppolo's hurt. Aidan O'Connell's a backup, He's got something. But Josh McDaniels, you know it's Vegas. They're gonna go draft a big quarterback. It's a great college quarterback class, you know. And I was writing down all these names, some envious, some not so obvious. Minnesota probably, if not moves off, drafts a quarterback. The Jets at some point, not first second pick, maybe third pick. They got to have somebody in the building. I think New England's gonna draft a quarterback. If you look at their roster, they need a speed receiver. They have no history of drafting them well in the first round. I think they're gonna go get a quarterback. I think when you're losing, you gotta have something. You gotta have co workers, coaches. Culture. By the way, you think Bob Kraft likes all those cheap shots on his brand, that's bad for the culture. Belichick doesn't like him. He can say whatever he wants, but he doesn't have any allies. And that felt like a quarterback that just wasn't ready and quit did it not a little.

I think the concerns are a little greater than that. Colins.

I think the concerns are a little greater than that. Colins.

So this is the third game this season they have started completely flat. They were down sixteen nothing to the Eagles, like that. Mac Jones was a big part of it. They were down seventeen to three to the Dolphins instantly, and now they're down twenty eight three to the Cowboys. Mac Jones a heavy reason. But I'm not gonna give Belichick a pass. And I gotta ask you third straight season, Belichick had started one to three last year.

So this is the third game this season they have started completely flat. They were down sixteen nothing to the Eagles, like that. Mac Jones was a big part of it. They were down seventeen to three to the Dolphins instantly, and now they're down twenty eight three to the Cowboys. Mac Jones a heavy reason. But I'm not gonna give Belichick a pass. And I gotta ask you third straight season, Belichick had started one to three last year.

Everybody can blame Matt Patricia, the rocket scientist. He's the reason.

Everybody can blame Matt Patricia, the rocket scientist. He's the reason.

Okay, Bill brought in you know Bill O'Brien, and Bill was the one who drafted Bill Belichick Mac Jones. Ultimately, this is all funneling back to Belichick. And I'll tell you now that defense of Gonzales injury if that's significant, and Judehon went down late, so you're talking your two best defenders are now out, Colin.

Okay, Bill brought in you know Bill O'Brien, and Bill was the one who drafted Bill Belichick Mac Jones. Ultimately, this is all funneling back to Belichick. And I'll tell you now that defense of Gonzales injury if that's significant, and Judehon went down late, so you're talking your two best defenders are now out, Colin.

They have the second toughest schedule in the league.

They have the second toughest schedule in the league.

I was here in September or August saying, hey, this might be a five or six win team. The Belichick hot seat stuff is going to be the topic in Boston.

I was here in September or August saying, hey, this might be a five or six win team. The Belichick hot seat stuff is going to be the topic in Boston.

This is my takeaway though, And I do think right now, with Gonzales out and Jude on her, they're a bottom seven eight team, and in that division, which is arguably Buffalo, Miami or two of the top five teams, it's very realistic to think they're going to have a top eight pack.

This is my takeaway though, And I do think right now, with Gonzales out and Jude on her, they're a bottom seven eight team, and in that division, which is arguably Buffalo, Miami or two of the top five teams, it's very realistic to think they're going to have a top eight pack.

Okay, that's fair.

Okay, that's fair.

I think you have to draft a quarter Okay.

I think you have to draft a quarter Okay.

The bigger question, Colin, do you let Bill Belichick draft a quarterback?

The bigger question, Colin, do you let Bill Belichick draft a quarterback?

Given he took mac Jones.

Given he took mac Jones.

Mac Jones looks woef unathletic in an era where you needed athletic, mobile quarterback.

Mac Jones looks woef unathletic in an era where you needed athletic, mobile quarterback.

And when Patriots offense looks stuck.

And when Patriots offense looks stuck.

In the mud, he's going and given Juju Smith Schuster a big contract, who can't separate. Matt can't run, He's immobile, Like Listen, Belichick has done a lot, he's the greatest coach ever.

In the mud, he's going and given Juju Smith Schuster a big contract, who can't separate. Matt can't run, He's immobile, Like Listen, Belichick has done a lot, he's the greatest coach ever.

Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah.

Are you letting him make that pick at quarterback in the top seven?

Are you letting him make that pick at quarterback in the top seven?

Well, if he has a top seven pick, he's not gonna get Drake May or Caleb. But I think there's gonna be a packing. I think the first five guys outside of Caleb all feels similar. If Sanders kid doesn't come out, shouldar Sanders. I think there's Caleb here, and then I think there's like five guys you could take any of them. If you got Michael Penix or Drake May, I'd be fine with both. I think Pennis as the prettiest ball in college football. So my takeaway is that draft was different. Mack was clearly the lowest ceiling of the Trey Lance justin field, like there was no They didn't move up to get him, They just sat and waited he fell to them. So that mac Jones was clearly the least athletic. If you look at this draft, there's Caleb Williams and there's a gap, and it's a fair sizable gap if Shadour Sanders doesn't come out, and I think you could take any of the next four quarterbacks, and if New England's in the top ten, because by the way, you have a great receiver, two great offensive tackles, maybe the best college tight end I've seen, and a great player a defensive end. So you if you have a tenth pick, you'll get a quarterback because there are Harrison maybe one of the best receiver prospects ever, the O line prospects, left tackle prospects are outstanding. So if you're in the top ten, you're gonna get the third, fourth, or fifth best quarterback. And they're all kind of feel the same.

Well, if he has a top seven pick, he's not gonna get Drake May or Caleb. But I think there's gonna be a packing. I think the first five guys outside of Caleb all feels similar. If Sanders kid doesn't come out, shouldar Sanders. I think there's Caleb here, and then I think there's like five guys you could take any of them. If you got Michael Penix or Drake May, I'd be fine with both. I think Pennis as the prettiest ball in college football. So my takeaway is that draft was different. Mack was clearly the lowest ceiling of the Trey Lance justin field, like there was no They didn't move up to get him, They just sat and waited he fell to them. So that mac Jones was clearly the least athletic. If you look at this draft, there's Caleb Williams and there's a gap, and it's a fair sizable gap if Shadour Sanders doesn't come out, and I think you could take any of the next four quarterbacks, and if New England's in the top ten, because by the way, you have a great receiver, two great offensive tackles, maybe the best college tight end I've seen, and a great player a defensive end. So you if you have a tenth pick, you'll get a quarterback because there are Harrison maybe one of the best receiver prospects ever, the O line prospects, left tackle prospects are outstanding. So if you're in the top ten, you're gonna get the third, fourth, or fifth best quarterback. And they're all kind of feel the same.

Now, Okay, but those quarterbacks you mentioned, Pennix, Schadur Sanders, we could even toss in the kid got injured over the weekend. I don't know if those quarterbacks are what Belichick wants, like he needs a pocket guy. That's what works in his archaic mind. Like he's playing like his team looks like a nineteen seventy three. I know that doesn't work in the modern era. Are you seeing the motion that McDaniel and Senne they're playing two different sports?

Now, Okay, but those quarterbacks you mentioned, Pennix, Schadur Sanders, we could even toss in the kid got injured over the weekend. I don't know if those quarterbacks are what Belichick wants, like he needs a pocket guy. That's what works in his archaic mind. Like he's playing like his team looks like a nineteen seventy three. I know that doesn't work in the modern era. Are you seeing the motion that McDaniel and Senne they're playing two different sports?

Yeah, I know, it's it's a problem. So I've been highly critical of Brandon Staley of the Chargers more craziness yesterday, so true to his brand, leading by a touchdown three and a half minutes left against a backup quarterback and Khalil Mack is dominating the game, he decides to go for it deep in his territory. I would not have, but at least they ran the right play with a six or five quarterback, which is, you know, the Philadelphia shove, right like, they ran the right play. I would not have gone for it, but they ran the right play. They gave it to their best player, and this is his identity. He's going to go down with it, but this is his identity. He was true to his identity, and they ran the right play. Of course, Jalen Hurts squat's about six hundred pounds and is very small, hard to get a shot at. So maybe it's just the Jalen Hurts play more than anybody else in the elite. So I wouldn't have done that, But you did the best you could win that decision after you made the decision. But the other part that's me is a sante Samuel then saves Brandon Staley with a pick could have gone for a pick six. That right tackle's not catching him and he went down. As Staley's on the sideline waving, waving, I don't know what he's waving. He looks chaotic. What is a Sante Samuel doing? You lead by a touchdown? Pick six is fourteen Khalil Mack is literally obliterating your offensive line. I don't care what analytics say. New rule on the show. If you can have a pick six with two and a half minutes left and go up by two touchdowns against the backup quarterback, you do always. I don't get it out thinking the room. You're facing a rookie quarterback who's a backup quarterback with an offensive line getting rolled. You think that team's gonna get fourteen points contextualization. So I don't know what he was flipping flopping on the sideline, what he was saying, but this and by the way, what happened. Unlike the Chicago and the Washington quarterbacks who are not good enough to say coaching, I question, Justin Herbert is and save the day with a great third down throw to Palmer for the first down. Again. Herbert saves the team again, like last week in Minnesota with the dubious decisions. Herbert is so gifted, so great that without Austin Ekler, without Mike Williams, he'll still figure out a way to save the team. It's just it's everything with the Chargers, even the last two weeks wins. I can't stand these fourth quarter deep in your own territory calls, and in both games, your pass rush is getting a ferocious rush on the opposing quarterback. You're a defensive coach, You've got really interesting personnel. Khalil Mack was unblockable, but Herbert in both instances. Sam howl and Justin Fields aren't ready yet to overcome coaching miscues. They're just not their kids. Justin Herbert's young, but he's a star. So there are no easy wins with the Chargers. It's craziness every Sunday, Great TV. Exhausting Hour two next