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I have one a year.

I have one a year.

I keep it to myself. It's usually a personal thing. I don't know if I can improve, So I'm not sure what I have this year. Jamak anything out there you're gonna blurt out about getting.

I keep it to myself. It's usually a personal thing. I don't know if I can improve, So I'm not sure what I have this year. Jamak anything out there you're gonna blurt out about getting.

Better, Well, I don't need to get better since I'm great already. Yeah, yeah, started today playing basketball this morning. I may go to Vegas tonight. Just got an invite from some friends. Listen, let's get the new year started right right.

Better, Well, I don't need to get better since I'm great already. Yeah, yeah, started today playing basketball this morning. I may go to Vegas tonight. Just got an invite from some friends. Listen, let's get the new year started right right.

Start the night in Vegas. Start the year in Vegas. So I want to start. I'll get to the Detroit Lions. I'll get to them in about five ten minutes. I want to talk about Brock Purdy because there's this feeling that now, even though he has a year left on his rookie deal, that you have to pay Brock Purty. Now, oh, you got to get a discount now on this guy. And I was about two weeks ago. I'm watching all these drone videos on TikTok, all these guys in New Jersey, and it's clear that men struggle telling the difference between drones and small planes and aliens. It's also clear men have a problem deciphering the difference from like Joe Burrow, who gets whatever he wants with a bad roster, and Brock Purty, who's really good in the first half with one of the great play designers in NFL history, Kyle Shanahan. I always get left with a feeling it's a lot of empty calories and empty yards. It's one thing if you're Borrow and your O linees bad and we don't love your coach and you're always playing from behind. Brock Purty has, after Andy Reid and maybe Sean Payton, the best play designer forget play color, best play designer since you know, maybe his dad Mike Shanahan. So and you have the best tight end arguably in football, and two good receivers and you're at home and the Lions are missing eight defensive starters. But this league is about second halfs. The first half is on script. Yes, he's great off an on script, but when bo Nicks and Justin Herbert met, like a week ago, remember that game about ten days ago, fourteen days ago, bo Nicks was really good on script in the first half. Justin Herbert was great offscript. Because Justin Herbert's a lot better right now than bo Nicks. And in the second half this year, the more important half. Brock Purty has eight touchdowns and ten picks and twelve total giveaways. He's bad and trailing. In the second half, he's worse. He has a passer rating below seventy five. You know, in the non scripted half, with one of the great play designers of my life. You want to know it's not random, by the way, you want to know the top five quarterbacks right now second half passer rating, Oh what a shock. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Jared Goff and number one pick Baker Mayfield. More talented guys. There's a connection between the two. Just a big majority for all these people saying I have to pay brock Purty year early, if at all. A big chunk of his yards are after the catch, because Kittle is great after the catch and deebo is great after the catch. And the other part is how open everybody is. I swear to God, has George Kittle ever been covered on any catch in the last month. He's wide open. So to me, it's always always empty calories with brock Purty. You got to watch the games in the second half. In a tight game, two ugly picks through behind Juwan Jennings on a big third down. Yes, they miss field goals of fifty one and fifty eight yards. Why did they have to kick field goals of fifty one and fifty eight yards because he missed to Juwan Jennings or or he doesn't quite have the athletic ability that his backup Josh Dobbs had to run into the end zone. I mean, every time he throws the ball over the middle, you're holding your breath. You're not with Mahomes or Herbert. I don't fel that way with Josh Allen. I do with Brock Purdy. I don't feel that way with Jared Goff. So this idea that he's a fifty million dollar quarterback. Jimmy Garoppolo won sixty nine percent of his games in San Francisco, and people, Niner fans, couldn't get him out of town fast enough. Maybe they were jealous because he was so handsome. He won sixty nine percent of his games, he got to Super Bowls. They couldn't get him out of town fast enough. They blamed him for losing the Mahomes in the Super Bowl because he missed one deep route. Perty's went in sixty four percent of his games.

Start the night in Vegas. Start the year in Vegas. So I want to start. I'll get to the Detroit Lions. I'll get to them in about five ten minutes. I want to talk about Brock Purdy because there's this feeling that now, even though he has a year left on his rookie deal, that you have to pay Brock Purty. Now, oh, you got to get a discount now on this guy. And I was about two weeks ago. I'm watching all these drone videos on TikTok, all these guys in New Jersey, and it's clear that men struggle telling the difference between drones and small planes and aliens. It's also clear men have a problem deciphering the difference from like Joe Burrow, who gets whatever he wants with a bad roster, and Brock Purty, who's really good in the first half with one of the great play designers in NFL history, Kyle Shanahan. I always get left with a feeling it's a lot of empty calories and empty yards. It's one thing if you're Borrow and your O linees bad and we don't love your coach and you're always playing from behind. Brock Purty has, after Andy Reid and maybe Sean Payton, the best play designer forget play color, best play designer since you know, maybe his dad Mike Shanahan. So and you have the best tight end arguably in football, and two good receivers and you're at home and the Lions are missing eight defensive starters. But this league is about second halfs. The first half is on script. Yes, he's great off an on script, but when bo Nicks and Justin Herbert met, like a week ago, remember that game about ten days ago, fourteen days ago, bo Nicks was really good on script in the first half. Justin Herbert was great offscript. Because Justin Herbert's a lot better right now than bo Nicks. And in the second half this year, the more important half. Brock Purty has eight touchdowns and ten picks and twelve total giveaways. He's bad and trailing. In the second half, he's worse. He has a passer rating below seventy five. You know, in the non scripted half, with one of the great play designers of my life. You want to know it's not random, by the way, you want to know the top five quarterbacks right now second half passer rating, Oh what a shock. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Jared Goff and number one pick Baker Mayfield. More talented guys. There's a connection between the two. Just a big majority for all these people saying I have to pay brock Purty year early, if at all. A big chunk of his yards are after the catch, because Kittle is great after the catch and deebo is great after the catch. And the other part is how open everybody is. I swear to God, has George Kittle ever been covered on any catch in the last month. He's wide open. So to me, it's always always empty calories with brock Purty. You got to watch the games in the second half. In a tight game, two ugly picks through behind Juwan Jennings on a big third down. Yes, they miss field goals of fifty one and fifty eight yards. Why did they have to kick field goals of fifty one and fifty eight yards because he missed to Juwan Jennings or or he doesn't quite have the athletic ability that his backup Josh Dobbs had to run into the end zone. I mean, every time he throws the ball over the middle, you're holding your breath. You're not with Mahomes or Herbert. I don't fel that way with Josh Allen. I do with Brock Purdy. I don't feel that way with Jared Goff. So this idea that he's a fifty million dollar quarterback. Jimmy Garoppolo won sixty nine percent of his games in San Francisco, and people, Niner fans, couldn't get him out of town fast enough. Maybe they were jealous because he was so handsome. He won sixty nine percent of his games, he got to Super Bowls. They couldn't get him out of town fast enough. They blamed him for losing the Mahomes in the Super Bowl because he missed one deep route. Perty's went in sixty four percent of his games.

It seems to me.

It seems to me.

And by the way, he's also hurt again, and he's been hurt multiple times because he's a smaller athlete. I thought it was interesting when Josh Dobbs came in, who's just a remarkable kid. I think he was like a chemical engineer at Tennessee. You can give him a playbook, he can memorize it in fifteen minutes. But he ran for a touchdown because he's a super athletic kid. I don't think Brock Purty could have run for a touchdown. Dobb's a faster, more elegant athlete. So the idea that I've got a pay him fifty million and pay him early. There is a difference. I'm sorry, guys, but there is a difference between aliens and a small plane flying over your house or maybe your neighbor's drone. And there's a difference between guys who are literally tractors, you know, like they're pulling a franchise to wins, and guys that are trailers. They're mostly being pulled. Second half game on the line, playing with a lead to really ugly picks when he had to throw it over the middle. And again here here's Kyle Shannan after on his injury.

And by the way, he's also hurt again, and he's been hurt multiple times because he's a smaller athlete. I thought it was interesting when Josh Dobbs came in, who's just a remarkable kid. I think he was like a chemical engineer at Tennessee. You can give him a playbook, he can memorize it in fifteen minutes. But he ran for a touchdown because he's a super athletic kid. I don't think Brock Purty could have run for a touchdown. Dobb's a faster, more elegant athlete. So the idea that I've got a pay him fifty million and pay him early. There is a difference. I'm sorry, guys, but there is a difference between aliens and a small plane flying over your house or maybe your neighbor's drone. And there's a difference between guys who are literally tractors, you know, like they're pulling a franchise to wins, and guys that are trailers. They're mostly being pulled. Second half game on the line, playing with a lead to really ugly picks when he had to throw it over the middle. And again here here's Kyle Shannan after on his injury.

I know everyone when they hear about Brock's elbow and stuff, just like me, you think of elbow injury from a couple of years ago, but you know, just talking to doctors, you just got hit in the right spot, and when you get hit there, you're just your nerves go and you can't feel much, but hopefully it'll be all right.

I know everyone when they hear about Brock's elbow and stuff, just like me, you think of elbow injury from a couple of years ago, but you know, just talking to doctors, you just got hit in the right spot, and when you get hit there, you're just your nerves go and you can't feel much, but hopefully it'll be all right.

Then let's sa again.

Then let's sa again.

I'm going to get to the Detroit Lions after the break hierarchy.

I'm going to get to the Detroit Lions after the break hierarchy.

Top of the hour, Nick right, Urban Meyer.

Top of the hour, Nick right, Urban Meyer.

So let's talk about this whole thing about what you pay a quarterback, because we've seen with Dak. If you pay A plus money to a B to a B plus quarterback, you can't have a legitimate roster. I mean, look at the Cowboys compared to the Eagles. How many guys would even start for the Cowboys on the Eagles, right, Because you've been paying Dak overpaying him for years and years and years, and so this stuff, this is a big topic. This stuff's really important. You can overpay a wide receiver, you know, you pay him twenty, he's worth fifteen. You start overpaying a quarterback fifty eight and he's worth thirty three. One of the reasons Tampa's so good is because they're getting a deal on Baker Mayfield. They're paying him thirty three million. I take Baker over Brock thirty in a second, thirty three months. They're getting a deal it's okay for teams to occasionally get deals on quarterbacks.

So let's talk about this whole thing about what you pay a quarterback, because we've seen with Dak. If you pay A plus money to a B to a B plus quarterback, you can't have a legitimate roster. I mean, look at the Cowboys compared to the Eagles. How many guys would even start for the Cowboys on the Eagles, right, Because you've been paying Dak overpaying him for years and years and years, and so this stuff, this is a big topic. This stuff's really important. You can overpay a wide receiver, you know, you pay him twenty, he's worth fifteen. You start overpaying a quarterback fifty eight and he's worth thirty three. One of the reasons Tampa's so good is because they're getting a deal on Baker Mayfield. They're paying him thirty three million. I take Baker over Brock thirty in a second, thirty three months. They're getting a deal it's okay for teams to occasionally get deals on quarterbacks.

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Not everybody has to be overpaid. But a team that is underpaid Tampa with Baker, they've got a stacked roster. They got good dudes everywhere, d line wide receiver, two to good running backs. Dallas overpays their quarterback and they're stuck. So to me, there are three groups, three clubs for quarterbacks in terms of fifty million dollars plus. The first club is I'm gonna pay you what I gotta pay you. Mahomes Lamar, Josh Allen, Herbert, Stafford Burrough, GoF Love, You're great. I think you can get to a super Bowl. I'm gonna pay you what I'm gonna pay you, and I think a lot of your success is based on you and you being great. Then there's the fifty million dollar club. We can negotiate. I'm not offended if you ask for it, but I'm gonna push back a little. Jalen Hurt, Sam Darnold, Baker, and Jayden Daniels. Jayden now want a little more time Baker and Sam. Let's be honest, it's the perfect season. Jalen Hurts feels very circumstantial, best o line, unbelievable receivers. You know MVP when he had Shane Stiket.

Not everybody has to be overpaid. But a team that is underpaid Tampa with Baker, they've got a stacked roster. They got good dudes everywhere, d line wide receiver, two to good running backs. Dallas overpays their quarterback and they're stuck. So to me, there are three groups, three clubs for quarterbacks in terms of fifty million dollars plus. The first club is I'm gonna pay you what I gotta pay you. Mahomes Lamar, Josh Allen, Herbert, Stafford Burrough, GoF Love, You're great. I think you can get to a super Bowl. I'm gonna pay you what I'm gonna pay you, and I think a lot of your success is based on you and you being great. Then there's the fifty million dollar club. We can negotiate. I'm not offended if you ask for it, but I'm gonna push back a little. Jalen Hurt, Sam Darnold, Baker, and Jayden Daniels. Jayden now want a little more time Baker and Sam. Let's be honest, it's the perfect season. Jalen Hurts feels very circumstantial, best o line, unbelievable receivers. You know MVP when he had Shane Stiket.

I like him.

I like him.

These guys can ask for fifty million. I'm not offended. Negotiate. And then there's the third club, which is if you ask for it, I'm hanging up the phone. Brock Purtty's in that one. Okay, it's nothing personal, but we're not getting to fifty and we're getting to fifty a year early.

These guys can ask for fifty million. I'm not offended. Negotiate. And then there's the third club, which is if you ask for it, I'm hanging up the phone. Brock Purtty's in that one. Okay, it's nothing personal, but we're not getting to fifty and we're getting to fifty a year early.

What's the market? Go to the market. So you know, it's like negotiating for a new car.

What's the market? Go to the market. So you know, it's like negotiating for a new car.

You can tell me that Civic is worth one hundred grand, Well we got we got rustproofing, a sun roof, and the salesman can tell me, how about the sports package? Okay, I'll give you fifty one thousand, not one hundred thousand. I'm walking out of the dealership if you think that Civic is worth one hundred thousand dollars and it's not.

You can tell me that Civic is worth one hundred grand, Well we got we got rustproofing, a sun roof, and the salesman can tell me, how about the sports package? Okay, I'll give you fifty one thousand, not one hundred thousand. I'm walking out of the dealership if you think that Civic is worth one hundred thousand dollars and it's not.

Nobody's picking on brock Purty. That's another thing.

Nobody's picking on brock Purty. That's another thing.

Oh, this is there when you get to a quarterback because they're paid so much. Now, I mean like Mahomes signed a four hundred and fifty million dollar deal. You can make mistakes, overpaying a little bit for a Mike linebacker, or overpaying for you know, a tight end a little you're paying him thirteen, he's probably worth eight. You start overpaying a quarterback, you get to the fifth sixty million dollar club, not interested that it got you. There's only one thing that guarantees you can't win Super Bowls. Only one thing. Paying a b quarterback a plus money. Even Tom Brad Drew Brees in his prime took big money for a couple of years. Sean Payton and Drew Brees had two back to back mediocre years, restructured his deal, better deal. They end up in a Super Bowl. Tom Brady was never the highest paid quarterback. Kirk Cousins was, and Kirk Cousins, because of that, didn't have the surrounding elements. So yeah, I'm just I keep watching this thing, and I'm gonna keep going back. I feel with Brock Purty and certain quarterbacks, there's a lot of ifs ands and bututs. If this is healthy, if I have Christian, if I have a great play designer, if it's not wet, if I lead, if it's the first half, I can't pay that kind of money.

Oh, this is there when you get to a quarterback because they're paid so much. Now, I mean like Mahomes signed a four hundred and fifty million dollar deal. You can make mistakes, overpaying a little bit for a Mike linebacker, or overpaying for you know, a tight end a little you're paying him thirteen, he's probably worth eight. You start overpaying a quarterback, you get to the fifth sixty million dollar club, not interested that it got you. There's only one thing that guarantees you can't win Super Bowls. Only one thing. Paying a b quarterback a plus money. Even Tom Brad Drew Brees in his prime took big money for a couple of years. Sean Payton and Drew Brees had two back to back mediocre years, restructured his deal, better deal. They end up in a Super Bowl. Tom Brady was never the highest paid quarterback. Kirk Cousins was, and Kirk Cousins, because of that, didn't have the surrounding elements. So yeah, I'm just I keep watching this thing, and I'm gonna keep going back. I feel with Brock Purty and certain quarterbacks, there's a lot of ifs ands and bututs. If this is healthy, if I have Christian, if I have a great play designer, if it's not wet, if I lead, if it's the first half, I can't pay that kind of money.

I can't just won't do it. So and I'm not. I'm not like old guy yelling at clowns.

I can't just won't do it. So and I'm not. I'm not like old guy yelling at clowns.

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Here.

I'll pay it. There's like eight guys in the in the world. I'll pay whatever I gotta pay you. Then there's another half a dozen guys are close to it where we can negotiate.

I'll pay it. There's like eight guys in the in the world. I'll pay whatever I gotta pay you. Then there's another half a dozen guys are close to it where we can negotiate.

But paying them fifty large and having to pay them early, I'm not doing it. J MC, I know he's your guy. I know you worship at the altar of the Broxter.

But paying them fifty large and having to pay them early, I'm not doing it. J MC, I know he's your guy. I know you worship at the altar of the Broxter.

Boy after the positive Monday you had coming off the top rope on brock Purty to start New Year's Eve, Colin, come on, man.

Boy after the positive Monday you had coming off the top rope on brock Purty to start New Year's Eve, Colin, come on, man.

Hey, the rest of the show is flowers, rainbows, just make it sure, and birds chirping. But I have to address that. It's a serious topic. We all watch the NFL. It's got the highest ratings by a mile, and it's all centered around one position. But it's not just centered around the position. It's centered around what you pay the position.

Hey, the rest of the show is flowers, rainbows, just make it sure, and birds chirping. But I have to address that. It's a serious topic. We all watch the NFL. It's got the highest ratings by a mile, and it's all centered around one position. But it's not just centered around the position. It's centered around what you pay the position.

He had two bad throws last night on our otherwise extraordinary night. No Christian McCaffrey, no Brandon au.

He had two bad throws last night on our otherwise extraordinary night. No Christian McCaffrey, no Brandon au.

Allians, had no eight defensive starters.

Allians, had no eight defensive starters.

I just, yeah, I would move off some of those defensive starters who can't plug a hole to save their life.

I just, yeah, I would move off some of those defensive starters who can't plug a hole to save their life.

Jamir Gibbs running wild. How about listen?

Jamir Gibbs running wild. How about listen?

I had to give Dan Campbell some credit. Okay, everybody wanted to sit his guys, the game means nothing. He plays everybody are people crazy?

I had to give Dan Campbell some credit. Okay, everybody wanted to sit his guys, the game means nothing. He plays everybody are people crazy?

The game means nothing.

The game means nothing.

First of all, this is the Detroit I'm gonna get into this. The idea that game didn't mean anything for Detroit. I completely push back on that. I'll talk about that coming up.

First of all, this is the Detroit I'm gonna get into this. The idea that game didn't mean anything for Detroit. I completely push back on that. I'll talk about that coming up.

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So there was this sense last night that, you know, San Francisco they got nothing to play for, but either does Detroit. And my takeaway is no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. Detroit had all sorts of motivation last night. They were the only undefeated team on the road all year. They could go eight to zero on the road. They're the Detroit Lions, for God's sakes, Why would they ever mail one in? And the other thing is they play Minnesota next week. That's red hot. Why would you want to be playing coming off a loss. It was Monday Night football, big stage. Your secondary's got guys who are backups to backups. There was wide open forty nine ers the entire game. Those guys need reps. They looked lost on some of their coverages. So I mean this idea that they didn't have anything to play for. I thought last night's win was a huge win for Detroit, So I mean, you gotta be honest about Detroit too. They have been kind of the team everybody's America is pulling for right and they've been the most talked about team arguably in the league this year because of Dan Campbell, the story, the culture. They're gonna lose both their coordinators, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn rock Stars.

So there was this sense last night that, you know, San Francisco they got nothing to play for, but either does Detroit. And my takeaway is no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. Detroit had all sorts of motivation last night. They were the only undefeated team on the road all year. They could go eight to zero on the road. They're the Detroit Lions, for God's sakes, Why would they ever mail one in? And the other thing is they play Minnesota next week. That's red hot. Why would you want to be playing coming off a loss. It was Monday Night football, big stage. Your secondary's got guys who are backups to backups. There was wide open forty nine ers the entire game. Those guys need reps. They looked lost on some of their coverages. So I mean this idea that they didn't have anything to play for. I thought last night's win was a huge win for Detroit, So I mean, you gotta be honest about Detroit too. They have been kind of the team everybody's America is pulling for right and they've been the most talked about team arguably in the league this year because of Dan Campbell, the story, the culture. They're gonna lose both their coordinators, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn rock Stars.

This could be the year.

This could be the year.

Go ask Philadelphia Nick Seriani with that roster what happens when you hire the wrong coordinators? You almost never get brilliant coordinators, both of them. I mean, look at San Francisco. Since they've lost to Miko Ryans. Defense isn't the same and they've hired guys with nice resumes, but Demiko was better than both. Five percent of this country is great at what they do. Doctors pilots, defensive coordinators, offensive coordinators, truly great. How many great quarterbacks we have six five in thirty two teams, each one's got two maybe some have three five, And how many great coaches five? So they're going to lose their coordinators, and if they lose to Minnesota next week, who, by the way, is red hot. So again I love them coming from behind and winning a game on the road, growing confidence, especially with backups playing on defense that need the reps.

Go ask Philadelphia Nick Seriani with that roster what happens when you hire the wrong coordinators? You almost never get brilliant coordinators, both of them. I mean, look at San Francisco. Since they've lost to Miko Ryans. Defense isn't the same and they've hired guys with nice resumes, but Demiko was better than both. Five percent of this country is great at what they do. Doctors pilots, defensive coordinators, offensive coordinators, truly great. How many great quarterbacks we have six five in thirty two teams, each one's got two maybe some have three five, And how many great coaches five? So they're going to lose their coordinators, and if they lose to Minnesota next week, who, by the way, is red hot. So again I love them coming from behind and winning a game on the road, growing confidence, especially with backups playing on defense that need the reps.

If they lose to Minnesota, this team.

If they lose to Minnesota, this team.

That we've talked about all year and was the best team in football in September and October and early November, they could go to Tampa for a playoff game if they lose next weekend Tampa red hot Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans, who that Lion secondary can't cover, or the healthiest team in the league, the Rams, who, by the way, almost beat the Lions early in the year. I think it was like Week one, and at that time, Detroit's defense had all its starters. Now it's got about four of them, five of them. So the idea that it didn't mean much last night, that secondary is going to face Justin Jefferson and either Mike Evans or Pokin Nakua. They needed reps. Ricky Pearsall's not in that class and he was open a lot. George Kittle was open a lot. You needed to play your dudes. You need to win that football game. Windows close very quickly. In the NFL, Niners window was open for about four years. Look at their roster. You say, got Christian McCaffrey. That offense is not the same offense. You take out Bosa from the defensive line, that's not the same defense.

That we've talked about all year and was the best team in football in September and October and early November, they could go to Tampa for a playoff game if they lose next weekend Tampa red hot Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans, who that Lion secondary can't cover, or the healthiest team in the league, the Rams, who, by the way, almost beat the Lions early in the year. I think it was like Week one, and at that time, Detroit's defense had all its starters. Now it's got about four of them, five of them. So the idea that it didn't mean much last night, that secondary is going to face Justin Jefferson and either Mike Evans or Pokin Nakua. They needed reps. Ricky Pearsall's not in that class and he was open a lot. George Kittle was open a lot. You needed to play your dudes. You need to win that football game. Windows close very quickly. In the NFL, Niners window was open for about four years. Look at their roster. You say, got Christian McCaffrey. That offense is not the same offense. You take out Bosa from the defensive line, that's not the same defense.

Here's Dan Campbell.

Here's Dan Campbell.

After I thought about it leading up to the game. I thought about it last night, I told the staff, but I ended up settling on the right thing to do was play these guys, and because we owed it to the team and it's not fair to ask guys to play that haven't been prepared play, you know. So So yeah, that was tough, and I think the biggest thing is there were things we wanted to do better than we did last week, and we did.

After I thought about it leading up to the game. I thought about it last night, I told the staff, but I ended up settling on the right thing to do was play these guys, and because we owed it to the team and it's not fair to ask guys to play that haven't been prepared play, you know. So So yeah, that was tough, and I think the biggest thing is there were things we wanted to do better than we did last week, and we did.

Yeah, I'm come from behind Monday night win against the San Francisco forty nine ers and Kyle Shanahan just ask yourself, as a Lions fan, weren't you angry at half and weren't you really happy after the game? So if it meant that to you as a fan, what do you think it meant to the players? You you were banging your head against the wall at your house or condo or apartment in the first half because the game meant something to you, even though yeah, I mean it didn't mean anything. And yet in the second half, how happy were you? Well, what if you're a coach or a player, Motivation matters, momentum, inertia matters. I thought it was a great win for Detroit. J Mack with the news, No, no turn.

Yeah, I'm come from behind Monday night win against the San Francisco forty nine ers and Kyle Shanahan just ask yourself, as a Lions fan, weren't you angry at half and weren't you really happy after the game? So if it meant that to you as a fan, what do you think it meant to the players? You you were banging your head against the wall at your house or condo or apartment in the first half because the game meant something to you, even though yeah, I mean it didn't mean anything. And yet in the second half, how happy were you? Well, what if you're a coach or a player, Motivation matters, momentum, inertia matters. I thought it was a great win for Detroit. J Mack with the news, No, no turn.

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Let's continue with the Detroit Lions. Unbelievable.

Let's continue with the Detroit Lions. Unbelievable.

They had their fifth game with at least forty points in no turnovers, which is the most in NFL history. We're talking like better than the Greatest Show on Turf and stuff like that. Colin Lions are the first team in NFL history to have two running backs and two wide receivers game one thousand scrimmage yards.

They had their fifth game with at least forty points in no turnovers, which is the most in NFL history. We're talking like better than the Greatest Show on Turf and stuff like that. Colin Lions are the first team in NFL history to have two running backs and two wide receivers game one thousand scrimmage yards.

We're talking historic stuff here from the Lions.

We're talking historic stuff here from the Lions.

I mean Ben Johnson calling up hooking ladder third and twelve plays it resulting touchdowns.

I mean Ben Johnson calling up hooking ladder third and twelve plays it resulting touchdowns.

I mean Jamison Williams on. They rarely use Williams, the fastest receiver in the NFL. He's almost a gadget player for them. He would be a primary for every other team. But they have armor on Saint Brown and Laporta and running backs. They're getting Montgomery back the running back fully. Yeah, yeah, I think that because the defense has been weakened, the run game has to be empowered. Because what you want to do if you're Detroit, you want to shrink games. Now your defense is a liability. It's the same with Baltimore. I don't trust their defense. I don't trust So what happens if you can eat the clock, shorten the game, run the ball. You give a team nine possessions not eleven. And when you get to the playoffs, I don't want to give Matt Stafford and Baker Mayfield and Jalen Hurts extra possessions.

I mean Jamison Williams on. They rarely use Williams, the fastest receiver in the NFL. He's almost a gadget player for them. He would be a primary for every other team. But they have armor on Saint Brown and Laporta and running backs. They're getting Montgomery back the running back fully. Yeah, yeah, I think that because the defense has been weakened, the run game has to be empowered. Because what you want to do if you're Detroit, you want to shrink games. Now your defense is a liability. It's the same with Baltimore. I don't trust their defense. I don't trust So what happens if you can eat the clock, shorten the game, run the ball. You give a team nine possessions not eleven. And when you get to the playoffs, I don't want to give Matt Stafford and Baker Mayfield and Jalen Hurts extra possessions.

The problem is their offense is so proficient. They go down the field and score in like three minutes. I mean, Colin, listen, you know. Comparison is the thief thief of joy they like to say, But I'm just being an honest question. Watching this Juggernaut all season, this Detroit Lions offense or any offense Patrick Mahomes has had with the Chiefs, which.

The problem is their offense is so proficient. They go down the field and score in like three minutes. I mean, Colin, listen, you know. Comparison is the thief thief of joy they like to say, But I'm just being an honest question. Watching this Juggernaut all season, this Detroit Lions offense or any offense Patrick Mahomes has had with the Chiefs, which.

Is better.

Is better.

Because the numbers in term clearly Detroit. Yes, better than any offense Mahomes has ever had.

Because the numbers in term clearly Detroit. Yes, better than any offense Mahomes has ever had.

Well, Yes, this offense has more talent than any offense Patrick Mahomes has had absolutely.

Well, Yes, this offense has more talent than any offense Patrick Mahomes has had absolutely.

Any offense that Lamar Jackson's ever had or Josh Allen has ever had.

Any offense that Lamar Jackson's ever had or Josh Allen has ever had.

I agree.

I agree.

I mean we're talking this is like are we talking personnel, No question, We're talking everything, play calling, personnel, and Jared Goff Nobody thinks.

I mean we're talking this is like are we talking personnel, No question, We're talking everything, play calling, personnel, and Jared Goff Nobody thinks.

He's like a top five with this have omor On Saint Brown and Puka Nakua are the best receivers not taken in the first couple of rounds in the last decade. Arguably, I mean literally, Pookah is a star and amor On Saint Brown, and I'm a Trojan fan. I never thought he would be this as a pro. They have two starting backs, and they have two backs who are not only starters, but like high end starters. They have an elite tight end, the best right tackle in football, maybe the best or second best, third best center in football.

He's like a top five with this have omor On Saint Brown and Puka Nakua are the best receivers not taken in the first couple of rounds in the last decade. Arguably, I mean literally, Pookah is a star and amor On Saint Brown, and I'm a Trojan fan. I never thought he would be this as a pro. They have two starting backs, and they have two backs who are not only starters, but like high end starters. They have an elite tight end, the best right tackle in football, maybe the best or second best, third best center in football.

This is an all star team. This is a Pro Bowl.

This is an all star team. This is a Pro Bowl.

And now defensively all sorts of issues this year, but offensively it's an all time personnel offense.

And now defensively all sorts of issues this year, but offensively it's an all time personnel offense.

And he doesn't Assuming they beat the Vikings, they won't have to go outdoors for any playoff games, right, They'll be hosting everything at home.

And he doesn't Assuming they beat the Vikings, they won't have to go outdoors for any playoff games, right, They'll be hosting everything at home.

I maybe we ruled them out of the Super Bowl mix too early.

I maybe we ruled them out of the Super Bowl mix too early.

I don't know now now that you said the defense is bad, the Niners average like seven point nine yards, will play rock perty for just fit up and down the field.

I don't know now now that you said the defense is bad, the Niners average like seven point nine yards, will play rock perty for just fit up and down the field.

The Niners were induced into a couple of big mistakes. So you can say what you want about the Lions, but they did make two big interceptions.

The Niners were induced into a couple of big mistakes. So you can say what you want about the Lions, but they did make two big interceptions.

Kicker missed two field goals and two extra points.

Kicker missed two field goals and two extra points.

Out that the kickers in this draft pick of John Lynch and early that was like Belichickian almost do you like the blast Belichick. Next story, let's go to Lamar Jackson. He's having I don't know if it's quietly a great year. Everybody's given the MVP to Josh Allen. Sam Donald's right there and talking about Sam Donald quarterback. He is the only QB to finish with fourteen games with a one hundred passer rating, the first since Aaron Rodgers in twenty twenty, and wouldn't you know it, Aaron Rodgers in twenty twenty won the MVP.

Out that the kickers in this draft pick of John Lynch and early that was like Belichickian almost do you like the blast Belichick. Next story, let's go to Lamar Jackson. He's having I don't know if it's quietly a great year. Everybody's given the MVP to Josh Allen. Sam Donald's right there and talking about Sam Donald quarterback. He is the only QB to finish with fourteen games with a one hundred passer rating, the first since Aaron Rodgers in twenty twenty, and wouldn't you know it, Aaron Rodgers in twenty twenty won the MVP.

So there's a small case for Donald. Is the MVP. Lamar has a small case. I don't know. I don't know what to do with Sam Donald.

So there's a small case for Donald. Is the MVP. Lamar has a small case. I don't know. I don't know what to do with Sam Donald.

These numbers are staggering.

These numbers are staggering.

Calm, I know what to do with him. Franchise tage, That's what you do with him. But you're gonna want to walk out the door again. The Vikings have been a very, very good team for a long time most of my life. I go back to the eighties when it was like Tarkenton and they were getting to Super Bowls and losing with Bud Grant. But they don't have a ring. Don't mess around, you don't let great walk out the door. Is Sam Donald as good as this year's numbers. Probably not, But he was never as bad as his numbers in Caroline and the Jets.

Calm, I know what to do with him. Franchise tage, That's what you do with him. But you're gonna want to walk out the door again. The Vikings have been a very, very good team for a long time most of my life. I go back to the eighties when it was like Tarkenton and they were getting to Super Bowls and losing with Bud Grant. But they don't have a ring. Don't mess around, you don't let great walk out the door. Is Sam Donald as good as this year's numbers. Probably not, But he was never as bad as his numbers in Caroline and the Jets.

So I you know.

So I you know.

I mean when he was bombing, I kept saying I don't I used to say this all the time. Go watch a three minute YouTube clip of Sam Darnald. You'd think he's a poor man's Josh Allen. There's talent there. He's probably not as good as his numbers this year because Justin Jefferson isn't traveling with him, and neither is Kevin O'Connell. Contextualize it, My thing is, I wouldn't give Donald the MVP, but the fact that he wasn't being mentioned until now is kind of ridiculous. The numbers tell you he's absolutely in the top two or three class.

I mean when he was bombing, I kept saying I don't I used to say this all the time. Go watch a three minute YouTube clip of Sam Darnald. You'd think he's a poor man's Josh Allen. There's talent there. He's probably not as good as his numbers this year because Justin Jefferson isn't traveling with him, and neither is Kevin O'Connell. Contextualize it, My thing is, I wouldn't give Donald the MVP, but the fact that he wasn't being mentioned until now is kind of ridiculous. The numbers tell you he's absolutely in the top two or three class.

The problem is the last one is the eye test. Okay, we can look at these numbers all day. Josh allenold has the most games with a one hundred passer rating. He and Lamar are tied with thirteen. Passer rating is one metric, but the eye test says pretty cool to me?

The problem is the last one is the eye test. Okay, we can look at these numbers all day. Josh allenold has the most games with a one hundred passer rating. He and Lamar are tied with thirteen. Passer rating is one metric, but the eye test says pretty cool to me?

Is Josh Allen?

Is Josh Allen?

Yes?

Yes?

I agree?

I agree?

And also Josh Allen's never won an MVP as he yeah, never had That's where.

And also Josh Allen's never won an MVP as he yeah, never had That's where.

It comes like that. That's a little bit of the NBA. Hey, Joel Embid's never won an MVB. Let's give it to a beat.

It comes like that. That's a little bit of the NBA. Hey, Joel Embid's never won an MVB. Let's give it to a beat.

Well no, but but at Buffalo. Since Josh Allen entered the NFL, I think Buffalo has the number one offense. Isn't it kind of time? I mean, seriously think about that. And he never had a run game to rely on until James Cook. I mean, and he didn't really have great tight end play until Kim Caid, and he only briefly had Steffan Diggs. So it like when Russell Wilson wasn't winning MVPs or getting votes, it was like, yeah, but it's there's a lot there behind him. Josh Allen has carried this offense for years. The fact that he hasn't won is a little bit of an indictment on the voters.

Well no, but but at Buffalo. Since Josh Allen entered the NFL, I think Buffalo has the number one offense. Isn't it kind of time? I mean, seriously think about that. And he never had a run game to rely on until James Cook. I mean, and he didn't really have great tight end play until Kim Caid, and he only briefly had Steffan Diggs. So it like when Russell Wilson wasn't winning MVPs or getting votes, it was like, yeah, but it's there's a lot there behind him. Josh Allen has carried this offense for years. The fact that he hasn't won is a little bit of an indictment on the voters.

And so to your point on the open market, you think if the Vikings say Sam, thank you for your service, we're gonna he'll have.

And so to your point on the open market, you think if the Vikings say Sam, thank you for your service, we're gonna he'll have.

An incredibly healthy market.

An incredibly healthy market.

Give me the top two teams that are bidding on Sam Raiders.

Give me the top two teams that are bidding on Sam Raiders.

Raiders are winning games.

Raiders are winning games.

They don't have a top one or two pick, and they're not Tom Tolesco is not giving away the farm for these quarterbacks. These are not move up and give away seven picks for these quarterbacks.

They don't have a top one or two pick, and they're not Tom Tolesco is not giving away the farm for these quarterbacks. These are not move up and give away seven picks for these quarterbacks.

The Raiders are coming in with a Baker Mayfield offer.

The Raiders are coming in with a Baker Mayfield offer.

I think they'll offer Baker and Sam.

I think they'll offer Baker and Sam.

But that type money that Baker Mayfield got from.

But that type money that Baker Mayfield got from.

Them, you can't do that. Bill.

Them, you can't do that. Bill.

Sam's gonna get into bigger numbers. I have been told that by an executive in the league that Sam has moved into a different category over the last three or four weeks.

Sam's gonna get into bigger numbers. I have been told that by an executive in the league that Sam has moved into a different category over the last three or four weeks.

And you feel okay about that.

And you feel okay about that.

Well, I'm not hanging the phone up. We're going to have to negotiate. I may not get the number a pushover as.

Well, I'm not hanging the phone up. We're going to have to negotiate. I may not get the number a pushover as.

A negotiator, I hear, I don't know the final story. Now, this is really spicy colling. I never like Bill Belichick as a Jets fan, rooted against him for years. I'm starting to love this guy. Listen to what Bill Belichick says about the current structure in NFL front offices.

A negotiator, I hear, I don't know the final story. Now, this is really spicy colling. I never like Bill Belichick as a Jets fan, rooted against him for years. I'm starting to love this guy. Listen to what Bill Belichick says about the current structure in NFL front offices.

You look back at great coaches like Tom Landry probably never would out a chance to do what he did in today's environment. There's a lot of cooks in the kitchen, you know, between the general manager of personnel, directors, head coaches, owners, owners, families and so forth.

You look back at great coaches like Tom Landry probably never would out a chance to do what he did in today's environment. There's a lot of cooks in the kitchen, you know, between the general manager of personnel, directors, head coaches, owners, owners, families and so forth.

Sometimes from the.

Sometimes from the.

Outside it's a little blurry as to who's really making the decision, whether owner has deferred it to somebody, to whether he's making it him or herself, or you know, whether it's a committee or how all that works.

Outside it's a little blurry as to who's really making the decision, whether owner has deferred it to somebody, to whether he's making it him or herself, or you know, whether it's a committee or how all that works.

Okay, so okay, before we go to who's he talking about, I'm just wondering is any of this at all, a veiled shot at the Patriots and what happened at the end, and who's being blamed for almost all the ills of New areas.

Okay, so okay, before we go to who's he talking about, I'm just wondering is any of this at all, a veiled shot at the Patriots and what happened at the end, and who's being blamed for almost all the ills of New areas.

So let me say this, although I don't disagree with his premise, I would argue New England needed more cooks in the kitchen. And that's why the roster is so damn awful, because Bill wouldn't let anybody else have real decision making. Go look at their last seven drafts and don't tell me Nick Cassio didn't know what he was doing because the guy went to Houston. Nick Cassari went to Houston, and his first two drafts have been very strong. So I think Bill's premise is right. But the truth is, and I understand the parcels. I have to make the dinner. I want to select some food. But Parcells, like Jimmy Johnson and Sean Payton, is excellent with personnel. Bill Parcells was excellent with personnel. Sean Payton's good McVeigh has an opinion is very good. I don't think Kyle Shanahan's as good. I think Shanahan's a schemer and a play designer. I don't think he's the great culture guy in the personnel guy Jimmy Johnson's legendary for personnel knowledge. Belichick's not good at it. Everybody's got a hole in life. That's not Bill's thing, and he took it over. So I would argue Bill needed a cook in the kitchen on personnel, not coaching. And also Robert Kraft one time in Bill's entire rain, said hey, you're not trading Tom move garoppolo.

So let me say this, although I don't disagree with his premise, I would argue New England needed more cooks in the kitchen. And that's why the roster is so damn awful, because Bill wouldn't let anybody else have real decision making. Go look at their last seven drafts and don't tell me Nick Cassio didn't know what he was doing because the guy went to Houston. Nick Cassari went to Houston, and his first two drafts have been very strong. So I think Bill's premise is right. But the truth is, and I understand the parcels. I have to make the dinner. I want to select some food. But Parcells, like Jimmy Johnson and Sean Payton, is excellent with personnel. Bill Parcells was excellent with personnel. Sean Payton's good McVeigh has an opinion is very good. I don't think Kyle Shanahan's as good. I think Shanahan's a schemer and a play designer. I don't think he's the great culture guy in the personnel guy Jimmy Johnson's legendary for personnel knowledge. Belichick's not good at it. Everybody's got a hole in life. That's not Bill's thing, and he took it over. So I would argue Bill needed a cook in the kitchen on personnel, not coaching. And also Robert Kraft one time in Bill's entire rain, said hey, you're not trading Tom move garoppolo.

I'm sorry. It seems like he was right one that we know about.

I'm sorry. It seems like he was right one that we know about.

I think part of this back to last year's Atlanta Falcons disaster, would the owner, like Belichick and the front office kind of got together and yeah, was like no, And I think some of this is I would not be surprised if behind the scenes colin Chicago Bears kicked the tires on Belichick and he found out that that situation, there's a mess owners families.

I think part of this back to last year's Atlanta Falcons disaster, would the owner, like Belichick and the front office kind of got together and yeah, was like no, And I think some of this is I would not be surprised if behind the scenes colin Chicago Bears kicked the tires on Belichick and he found out that that situation, there's a mess owners families.

He said that in the quote, I don't only think that's the Bears.

He said that in the quote, I don't only think that's the Bears.

By the way, you know York Jets as well. You knew who's having a great year this year, the Chargers. A couple of the Charger kids work in the front office. Harball likes and gets along.

By the way, you know York Jets as well. You knew who's having a great year this year, the Chargers. A couple of the Charger kids work in the front office. Harball likes and gets along.

With them well, here's the other thing.

With them well, here's the other thing.

You don't read stories about them getting in the locker room back to the game.

You don't read stories about them getting in the locker room back to the game.

No, they do a good job at that.

No, they do a good job at that.

That's right.

That's right.

Other teams, I'm not against your kids working in the front office as long as they know the boundaries up.

Other teams, I'm not against your kids working in the front office as long as they know the boundaries up.

They didn't play, they didn't coach.

They didn't play, they didn't coach.

I don't know if I if I owned an NFL team and my son wanted to do something in the front office, I'd be like, yeah, you're not a GM you're not going to.

I don't know if I if I owned an NFL team and my son wanted to do something in the front office, I'd be like, yeah, you're not a GM you're not going to.

Be a coach.

Be a coach.

You're not going to talk about schemes. But if you can be a part something to the table, bring something to the table.

You're not going to talk about schemes. But if you can be a part something to the table, bring something to the table.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And in these days, it's not that hard to bring something to the table with all the stats set that's out there available, some new new fangled stats if you will, there's a lot. I mean, people are front offices are hiring guys from Pro Football Focus and some of these statistical websites. It's a new regime now in the NFL. It's not not the old school football guys still dominated.

And in these days, it's not that hard to bring something to the table with all the stats set that's out there available, some new new fangled stats if you will, there's a lot. I mean, people are front offices are hiring guys from Pro Football Focus and some of these statistical websites. It's a new regime now in the NFL. It's not not the old school football guys still dominated.

Jamack with the news.

Jamack with the news.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

You know, I was thinking about this, so Tom Brady at forty five years old, he retired. He could have played. He was still one of the top six or seven quarterbacks in the league. And you know, you people retire for different reasons, right could be a family thing, could be a time thing, could be a don't you don't want to put in the work at practice thing you love the games. So Lebron James was basically he just turned forty on Monday. Happy birthday to Lebron James, who's been the best overall player in my life watching pro basketball. Michael Jordan was a different player, a different mindset. Michael. Maybe in a one game set, I'd take Michael.

You know, I was thinking about this, so Tom Brady at forty five years old, he retired. He could have played. He was still one of the top six or seven quarterbacks in the league. And you know, you people retire for different reasons, right could be a family thing, could be a time thing, could be a don't you don't want to put in the work at practice thing you love the games. So Lebron James was basically he just turned forty on Monday. Happy birthday to Lebron James, who's been the best overall player in my life watching pro basketball. Michael Jordan was a different player, a different mindset. Michael. Maybe in a one game set, I'd take Michael.

Maybe maybe not.

Maybe maybe not.

But I think Lebron's making Michael Jordan's career look like a pit stop. It's lasted so long, But here was Lebron on turning forty, on his playing future.

But I think Lebron's making Michael Jordan's career look like a pit stop. It's lasted so long, But here was Lebron on turning forty, on his playing future.

It's kind of laughable really to know where I am, to see where I am still playing a game at a high level, still being such a young man but old and in this scheme of how many years I got in miss profession. But as you know, just thinking back to when I came into the league, obviously that's like the first thing I thought about that you came in as an eighteen year old kid, and now you've seen here the forty year old, you know, twenty three year old vet, you know with a with a twenty year old and NBA as.

It's kind of laughable really to know where I am, to see where I am still playing a game at a high level, still being such a young man but old and in this scheme of how many years I got in miss profession. But as you know, just thinking back to when I came into the league, obviously that's like the first thing I thought about that you came in as an eighteen year old kid, and now you've seen here the forty year old, you know, twenty three year old vet, you know with a with a twenty year old and NBA as.

Well, he's aged incredibly well. You know, it's very funny because the Internet is very loud and usually often very wrong. Some will lead you to believe Lebron's not a popular player once again. The most watched game in the NBA this year Lebron James and Steph Curry. Oh, by the way, the most viewed NBA player on social clips. We talked about it last week. Lebron James the number two selling jersey in the NBA last year with all these young stars, Lebron James, the Lakers road attendance for a pretty mediocre team is number two, and no, Steph's team isn't number one. Lebron wasn't in the NBA Cup this year. The ratings absolutely tanked. So like Tom Brady, he's still a top ten player, no question, and he could play for years. I mean, Lebron right now is averaging twenty four to eight to nine, and if he's stuck around for four or five more seasons, I think he'd still be averaging twenty because his game age as well, because he's a brilliant passer, an excellent ball handler, and has an basketball AQ.

Well, he's aged incredibly well. You know, it's very funny because the Internet is very loud and usually often very wrong. Some will lead you to believe Lebron's not a popular player once again. The most watched game in the NBA this year Lebron James and Steph Curry. Oh, by the way, the most viewed NBA player on social clips. We talked about it last week. Lebron James the number two selling jersey in the NBA last year with all these young stars, Lebron James, the Lakers road attendance for a pretty mediocre team is number two, and no, Steph's team isn't number one. Lebron wasn't in the NBA Cup this year. The ratings absolutely tanked. So like Tom Brady, he's still a top ten player, no question, and he could play for years. I mean, Lebron right now is averaging twenty four to eight to nine, and if he's stuck around for four or five more seasons, I think he'd still be averaging twenty because his game age as well, because he's a brilliant passer, an excellent ball handler, and has an basketball AQ.

That is through the roof.

That is through the roof.

He's aged well, but he is the greatest enduring basketball player of my life. But it's always interesting to me. There's so much pushback on Lebron because the Internet's loud and wrong, his jersey, the ratings, the NBA Cup without him. Yes, he can be polarizing because he took a stand on politics, and I do admit I don't watch sports for escapism. I watch it because it's entertainment. I prefer sports over movies, So I've never watched sports for escapism. I do understand that many of you do, and you don't like any politics with your basketball, But I got news for you. Whether it's the Olympics, whether it's the NBA. We've seen it in the NFL. Politics seeps into everything. You have an opinion in your office on politics. Lebron briefly did as well, so be it. But the idea that he's not popular and couldn't be great for mostly as long as he wanted to is just utter nonsense.

He's aged well, but he is the greatest enduring basketball player of my life. But it's always interesting to me. There's so much pushback on Lebron because the Internet's loud and wrong, his jersey, the ratings, the NBA Cup without him. Yes, he can be polarizing because he took a stand on politics, and I do admit I don't watch sports for escapism. I watch it because it's entertainment. I prefer sports over movies, So I've never watched sports for escapism. I do understand that many of you do, and you don't like any politics with your basketball, But I got news for you. Whether it's the Olympics, whether it's the NBA. We've seen it in the NFL. Politics seeps into everything. You have an opinion in your office on politics. Lebron briefly did as well, so be it. But the idea that he's not popular and couldn't be great for mostly as long as he wanted to is just utter nonsense.

You know, the chosen one the King. It can be off putting.

You know, the chosen one the King. It can be off putting.

Whatever the guy's still giving you, like twenty five, eight to nine, a night number two in row to ten.

Whatever the guy's still giving you, like twenty five, eight to nine, a night number two in row to ten.

A lot of stuff today.

A lot of stuff today.

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Fox Urban Meyer Last hour are Big Bets Next hour, top of the hour The Herd Hierarchy. This is very interesting. Mike Sando, very respected writer. We bring him on the show once twice a year from the Athletic. So I had mentioned this last week in one of my commentaries. He's doubling down on it, he said, why not Pete Carroll in Chicago, let me read this, he said. Over the course, he studied the seventeen quarterback team relationships spanning at least a decade since Peyton Manning entered the league, and here's what he found. You don't need an offensive play calling head coach for your quarterback to win. There are no magic schemes. And that brings us to Carol and Jim Harbaugh. Both their masters at in instilling confidence in their quarterbacks. Both create run games to take pressure off quarterbacks. So Drew Bledsoe with the Patriots. He had his career best passer rating in nineteen ninety seven and other top stats in ninety eight ninety nine. Pete Carroll was his coach. Young Russell Wilson Seahawks twenty twelve to twenty one. He entered as a third round pick, developed a run game, became a superstar. Geno Smith has gotten worse since Pete Carroll left. Pete Carroll gave him a run game. What's happened to Gino in the last year? He'd bad this year? So with young quarterbacks, Gino, I guess doesn't classify as young Pete Carroll, And this is what I argued last week. He has a history of developing strong run games and defenses and kind of detailed culture which are really beneficial to young quarterbacks. Drew Bledsoe in New England, Russell Wilson in Seattle, and Caleb Williams. And there's nothing against Ben Johnson. He's very smart. But I gotta be honest. When you watched Detroit last night, they got like seven Pro Bowl level players. They got multiple Hall of Fame level guys, the best running back room, excellent tight end, two great receivers, the best offensive line in football. There's a lot of coordinators that would look really really good with Detroit's personnel. And let's be fair about this, they're stacked. I mean, it's amazing. They're paying golf good money and they're still stacked because they've drafted so well. They've hit on virtually all of their offensive draft picks. They've missed on a couple defensive picks. They have nailed offensive picks and then made smart moves. So you know, I'm a big believer. If you go back and look at culture guys like Harbaugh's a culture guy. Name Tomlin's a culture guy. Pete Carroll's a culture guy. Culture guys may not win a trophy, but they rarely bomb. Scheme guys bomb all the time. And I'll give you an example, even really good scheme guys, Kyle Shanahan, J Mack Listen to this. Kyle Shanahan is considered a top scheme guy in San Francisco. Four losing seasons. McVeigh is considered a culture guy. One losing season, even his rebuild season he got to the playoffs. Culture guys, motivational guys, Dan Campbell, Vrable, Pete Carroll mcveay. They don't want a trophy. McVay finally did shouldn't say finally. He's still young. But scheme guys whiff all the time if they don't have the right personnel. So basically what happens is a culture guy squeezes the juice out of every player. A scheme guy doesn't. A scheme guy can squeeze the juice out of his particular scheme. He's a defensive coordinator, the edge rusher the corners will have. Rex Ryan was great at squeezing juice out of the defensive side, but he hurt the offensive side. Right, So you know, this idea h's magic potion, this elixir with Ben Johnson.

Fox Urban Meyer Last hour are Big Bets Next hour, top of the hour The Herd Hierarchy. This is very interesting. Mike Sando, very respected writer. We bring him on the show once twice a year from the Athletic. So I had mentioned this last week in one of my commentaries. He's doubling down on it, he said, why not Pete Carroll in Chicago, let me read this, he said. Over the course, he studied the seventeen quarterback team relationships spanning at least a decade since Peyton Manning entered the league, and here's what he found. You don't need an offensive play calling head coach for your quarterback to win. There are no magic schemes. And that brings us to Carol and Jim Harbaugh. Both their masters at in instilling confidence in their quarterbacks. Both create run games to take pressure off quarterbacks. So Drew Bledsoe with the Patriots. He had his career best passer rating in nineteen ninety seven and other top stats in ninety eight ninety nine. Pete Carroll was his coach. Young Russell Wilson Seahawks twenty twelve to twenty one. He entered as a third round pick, developed a run game, became a superstar. Geno Smith has gotten worse since Pete Carroll left. Pete Carroll gave him a run game. What's happened to Gino in the last year? He'd bad this year? So with young quarterbacks, Gino, I guess doesn't classify as young Pete Carroll, And this is what I argued last week. He has a history of developing strong run games and defenses and kind of detailed culture which are really beneficial to young quarterbacks. Drew Bledsoe in New England, Russell Wilson in Seattle, and Caleb Williams. And there's nothing against Ben Johnson. He's very smart. But I gotta be honest. When you watched Detroit last night, they got like seven Pro Bowl level players. They got multiple Hall of Fame level guys, the best running back room, excellent tight end, two great receivers, the best offensive line in football. There's a lot of coordinators that would look really really good with Detroit's personnel. And let's be fair about this, they're stacked. I mean, it's amazing. They're paying golf good money and they're still stacked because they've drafted so well. They've hit on virtually all of their offensive draft picks. They've missed on a couple defensive picks. They have nailed offensive picks and then made smart moves. So you know, I'm a big believer. If you go back and look at culture guys like Harbaugh's a culture guy. Name Tomlin's a culture guy. Pete Carroll's a culture guy. Culture guys may not win a trophy, but they rarely bomb. Scheme guys bomb all the time. And I'll give you an example, even really good scheme guys, Kyle Shanahan, J Mack Listen to this. Kyle Shanahan is considered a top scheme guy in San Francisco. Four losing seasons. McVeigh is considered a culture guy. One losing season, even his rebuild season he got to the playoffs. Culture guys, motivational guys, Dan Campbell, Vrable, Pete Carroll mcveay. They don't want a trophy. McVay finally did shouldn't say finally. He's still young. But scheme guys whiff all the time if they don't have the right personnel. So basically what happens is a culture guy squeezes the juice out of every player. A scheme guy doesn't. A scheme guy can squeeze the juice out of his particular scheme. He's a defensive coordinator, the edge rusher the corners will have. Rex Ryan was great at squeezing juice out of the defensive side, but he hurt the offensive side. Right, So you know, this idea h's magic potion, this elixir with Ben Johnson.

Go look at Detroit's personnel.

Go look at Detroit's personnel.

Good God, they got all stars, Pro bowlers everywhere a lot of people would look good with their personnel. So on our show yesterday, we brought in Michael Irvin, who is Owa's enlightening, interesting and entertaining. So I would bring back Mike McCarthy. I think you can make an argument. Unless I could get Rabel, I'd probably bring back Mike McCarthy. But Michael Irvin wanted no part of bringing back Mike McCarthy.

Good God, they got all stars, Pro bowlers everywhere a lot of people would look good with their personnel. So on our show yesterday, we brought in Michael Irvin, who is Owa's enlightening, interesting and entertaining. So I would bring back Mike McCarthy. I think you can make an argument. Unless I could get Rabel, I'd probably bring back Mike McCarthy. But Michael Irvin wanted no part of bringing back Mike McCarthy.

I just think it's time to go in another direction, you know. And I hear these late this late search to maybe going to stay with Mike McCarthy. I'm not on that bandwager. I just what I believe is this team needs more discipline. I don't I'm not saying Mike McCarthy is not a good coach. Ex's and O's coach, you know, But but I think the team needs more discipline. And sometimes and it's hard to bring that in when you say, okay, this guy who doesn't have that firm hand in discipline is now going to either bring somebody else in to help them with discipline, and that doesn't work. You can't come in soft and then try to get tough.

I just think it's time to go in another direction, you know. And I hear these late this late search to maybe going to stay with Mike McCarthy. I'm not on that bandwager. I just what I believe is this team needs more discipline. I don't I'm not saying Mike McCarthy is not a good coach. Ex's and O's coach, you know, But but I think the team needs more discipline. And sometimes and it's hard to bring that in when you say, okay, this guy who doesn't have that firm hand in discipline is now going to either bring somebody else in to help them with discipline, and that doesn't work. You can't come in soft and then try to get tough.

It's a rap.

It's a rap.

You gotta come in tough and then and then lighten up, because then the guys will feel like they've earned some respect and earn you lightening like that.

You gotta come in tough and then and then lighten up, because then the guys will feel like they've earned some respect and earn you lightening like that.

I agree with, but I don't think Mike McCarthy. Now, he may not be the solution, but I don't think he's the problem. Here's what i'd say is your problem. You know how good the running back room is for Philadelphia and Detroit and Baltimore. The Cowboys have the worst running back room in the league. That's not on Mike McCarthy. Dak's contract is not on Mike McCarthy. The NFC, frankly, has just gotten better over the last two years. The defense got worse when Dan Quinn left. The O line ranked twenty fifth rebuild. They've missed on a couple of picks, and they've been chased the number two wide receiver in Dallas seemingly forever. So I'll give you an example. We can blame Mike McCarthy, but let's say I think we would all agree on this.

I agree with, but I don't think Mike McCarthy. Now, he may not be the solution, but I don't think he's the problem. Here's what i'd say is your problem. You know how good the running back room is for Philadelphia and Detroit and Baltimore. The Cowboys have the worst running back room in the league. That's not on Mike McCarthy. Dak's contract is not on Mike McCarthy. The NFC, frankly, has just gotten better over the last two years. The defense got worse when Dan Quinn left. The O line ranked twenty fifth rebuild. They've missed on a couple of picks, and they've been chased the number two wide receiver in Dallas seemingly forever. So I'll give you an example. We can blame Mike McCarthy, but let's say I think we would all agree on this.

You degreed.

You degreed.

I agree, Philadelphia and Detroit have the best most talented offensive rosters in the NFC. I won't even count AFC just in the NFC. So I combined the Eagles and the Lions offensive rosters because it's an offensive league now nobody's winning with defense. By the time you get to the end of the season and guys are banged up, offense win super Bowls. Here is the Eagles Lions offense. Tell me the cowboy that starts, and don't give me Zach Marson Martin because he's hurt. And the two guards, Landon Dickerson and Kevin Zeitler are both top ten in the PFF rankings. Well, what about Cede Lamb. You think I'm starting him on the perimeter over AJ Brown?