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I don't know if you guys know this that the Fox Sports Paul Pierce, the Hall of Famer nineteen years in the NBA, has the most game winning buzzer beaters made or assisted all all time. First of all, did you know that?

I don't know if you guys know this that the Fox Sports Paul Pierce, the Hall of Famer nineteen years in the NBA, has the most game winning buzzer beaters made or assisted all all time. First of all, did you know that?

Yes? I was made aware of that at some point.

Yes? I was made aware of that at some point.

Okay, I think it's like seven or eight game winners and five assists in that moment.

Okay, I think it's like seven or eight game winners and five assists in that moment.

Also something like that.

Also something like that.

I do think there are golfers and basketball players who get anxious and big moments, and I think there are plays. I mean, I've seen quarterbacks get nervous and golfers get nervous. So I want to start with you and then we'll move to Halliburton. Okay, why, I mean, you obviously played a long time, you obviously were comfortable as a closure.

I do think there are golfers and basketball players who get anxious and big moments, and I think there are plays. I mean, I've seen quarterbacks get nervous and golfers get nervous. So I want to start with you and then we'll move to Halliburton. Okay, why, I mean, you obviously played a long time, you obviously were comfortable as a closure.

Why I think at those moments I became more relaxed. I just remember, like down the stretch of games, the down the stretch when the close game, it slowed down for me. You know, I envisioned me making a play or making a shot. I always knew what I wanted to do, and I trusted my instincts. But like once I learned to breathe and just relax, you know, when when the time is running down.

Why I think at those moments I became more relaxed. I just remember, like down the stretch of games, the down the stretch when the close game, it slowed down for me. You know, I envisioned me making a play or making a shot. I always knew what I wanted to do, and I trusted my instincts. But like once I learned to breathe and just relax, you know, when when the time is running down.

It was easy for me.

It was easy for me.

You know, as a kids, you know, you you always put yourself in these moments and you picture it in your head, but then you actually out there doing it and believe it or not.

You know, as a kids, you know, you you always put yourself in these moments and you picture it in your head, but then you actually out there doing it and believe it or not.

I probably I missed way.

I probably I missed way.

More game winners or you know, game passes than I made, but you know I came up pretty big on a lot of them.

More game winners or you know, game passes than I made, but you know I came up pretty big on a lot of them.

So but we gotta go through the fire first.

So but we gotta go through the fire first.

Yeah, what did you make a Halliburton? He could have scored in a layup, turns around, looks at the clock to the other end. I mean, I mean, would you have done that? What did you make of that man?

Yeah, what did you make a Halliburton? He could have scored in a layup, turns around, looks at the clock to the other end. I mean, I mean, would you have done that? What did you make of that man?

It looked like he was going so he wanted to attack. You know the thing I like about Halliburn he doesn't predetermine what he wants to do. He plays off his instinct like he drove. You see, he lost the ball and the help came. So he turned, looks out the clock and says, shoot, I'm gonna just go for the win. And he went for it, and his instincts just took over. When I watch Haliburton, he has a high IQ. Man, It's just he understands the moment. He has IQ. He understood the stage and he goes for it.

It looked like he was going so he wanted to attack. You know the thing I like about Halliburn he doesn't predetermine what he wants to do. He plays off his instinct like he drove. You see, he lost the ball and the help came. So he turned, looks out the clock and says, shoot, I'm gonna just go for the win. And he went for it, and his instincts just took over. When I watch Haliburton, he has a high IQ. Man, It's just he understands the moment. He has IQ. He understood the stage and he goes for it.

Yeah, you know, he reminds me a little bit of a lankier, taller Steve Nash where you always felt even if Nash won an MVP, scoring fifteen a game, Steve controlled the game. Even if he scored thirteen points, Halliburton brunts him scored forty three. I believe halla Burton controlled the game last night. How did you see it?

Yeah, you know, he reminds me a little bit of a lankier, taller Steve Nash where you always felt even if Nash won an MVP, scoring fifteen a game, Steve controlled the game. Even if he scored thirteen points, Halliburton brunts him scored forty three. I believe halla Burton controlled the game last night. How did you see it?

Yeah?

Yeah?

He plays with pace. I mean, think about it. Even on makes he's pushing the ball, he's throwing. What I love about him, he throws the ball ahead. And you don't see that a lot from these guards anymore. And on any given night, you know, you don't understand when you want to when your players actually touch the ball. It feels good just to touch the ball, you know, But when you have a play guard who comes down and you always stand in the corner. You're not involved in the offense, and then by the time you get the ball, you ice cold. And so that's why on any given night with this Indiana team, anybody could be the hero. Last night, obviously it was Niece Smith. The next night, it can be nim Hard. He can certainly get hot on certain occasions. And then don't forget about Siakam and we've seen the big fella. He can light it up too. So that's what makes this team hard to guard. That's what makes them unique.

He plays with pace. I mean, think about it. Even on makes he's pushing the ball, he's throwing. What I love about him, he throws the ball ahead. And you don't see that a lot from these guards anymore. And on any given night, you know, you don't understand when you want to when your players actually touch the ball. It feels good just to touch the ball, you know, But when you have a play guard who comes down and you always stand in the corner. You're not involved in the offense, and then by the time you get the ball, you ice cold. And so that's why on any given night with this Indiana team, anybody could be the hero. Last night, obviously it was Niece Smith. The next night, it can be nim Hard. He can certainly get hot on certain occasions. And then don't forget about Siakam and we've seen the big fella. He can light it up too. So that's what makes this team hard to guard. That's what makes them unique.

Uh.

Uh.

It's his pace, uh, and the confidence and the swagger he plays with. And I love the fact that he's embracing being the villain. He reminds me of myself a lot.

It's his pace, uh, and the confidence and the swagger he plays with. And I love the fact that he's embracing being the villain. He reminds me of myself a lot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But by the way, the choke sign, what would you think if you were a New York Knick this morning on that?

But by the way, the choke sign, what would you think if you were a New York Knick this morning on that?

Oh?

Oh?

Man, oh man, I just it comes with it. Man, if I was a New York Knick, I'm like, Man, we put ourselves in this position. It's nothing you can do about it. And hey, that's all on us as Nicks, because you know, right now, the Knicks are America's team and everybody is looking at the Indiana Pacers as villains, and you know, everybody want I mean, listen, the New York Knicks. They had a parade after getting to the conference finals. So I'm like, come on, now, come on. It's just something about the Knicks. When players come in there, everybody wants to play well. Everybody wants to give their best. Like some of my best games ever played was in that building. And I told Kevin Garnett this the other day, Like when I played in the Garden, it didn't feel like a role game.

Man, oh man, I just it comes with it. Man, if I was a New York Knick, I'm like, Man, we put ourselves in this position. It's nothing you can do about it. And hey, that's all on us as Nicks, because you know, right now, the Knicks are America's team and everybody is looking at the Indiana Pacers as villains, and you know, everybody want I mean, listen, the New York Knicks. They had a parade after getting to the conference finals. So I'm like, come on, now, come on. It's just something about the Knicks. When players come in there, everybody wants to play well. Everybody wants to give their best. Like some of my best games ever played was in that building. And I told Kevin Garnett this the other day, Like when I played in the Garden, it didn't feel like a role game.

It didn't.

It didn't.

It really doesn't because people, like other teams embrace going into Madison Square Garden, the environment, the celebrities in front rows, and like when you like a road game is when you go to Indiana, that's a road game. You know what I'm saying. You're gonna have to signs up. You're gonna have somebody behind the bench talking talking about you, talking about yo yo yo yo yo girl or something that's gonna try to get under your skin. Where New York is the mecca basketball and it just doesn't feel like you You feel like you're on stage and you want.

It really doesn't because people, like other teams embrace going into Madison Square Garden, the environment, the celebrities in front rows, and like when you like a road game is when you go to Indiana, that's a road game. You know what I'm saying. You're gonna have to signs up. You're gonna have somebody behind the bench talking talking about you, talking about yo yo yo yo yo girl or something that's gonna try to get under your skin. Where New York is the mecca basketball and it just doesn't feel like you You feel like you're on stage and you want.

To put on a show.

To put on a show.

Yeah, that's what Channing Fry said an hour and a half ago. He said, he said, when you go to New York, New Yorkers, maybe it's Rucker Park, maybe it's Broadway, they appreciate if you drop forty. Yes, they love you. And that's what you're saying, basically, Yeah, basically, I mean you're over there.

Yeah, that's what Channing Fry said an hour and a half ago. He said, he said, when you go to New York, New Yorkers, maybe it's Rucker Park, maybe it's Broadway, they appreciate if you drop forty. Yes, they love you. And that's what you're saying, basically, Yeah, basically, I mean you're over there.

You even the opposing team. I remember being in the layup line. Oh there goes Spike. What's up, Spike? You know, I'm not doing that with nobody in Indiana. I'm not doing that with nobody in these other other arena. You know what I'm saying, I see Chris Rock or hey, hey, what's up y'all? Like, who what other arena are you doing that outside of New York and the Crypto?

You even the opposing team. I remember being in the layup line. Oh there goes Spike. What's up, Spike? You know, I'm not doing that with nobody in Indiana. I'm not doing that with nobody in these other other arena. You know what I'm saying, I see Chris Rock or hey, hey, what's up y'all? Like, who what other arena are you doing that outside of New York and the Crypto?

Yeah, so let me ask you though, And I think we're gonna have a great series. I do wonder when. I mean, Boston was a great example. They blew a twenty point lead. I thought it got into their head the rest of the series. Yeah, do you worry that this game is now in the Knicks head?

Yeah, so let me ask you though, And I think we're gonna have a great series. I do wonder when. I mean, Boston was a great example. They blew a twenty point lead. I thought it got into their head the rest of the series. Yeah, do you worry that this game is now in the Knicks head?

I think it has to be Colin because like it happened, when it happens to you, it can be traumatizing. Because listen, this has happened on three other occasions which Indiana prevailed, not at this magnitude as the Knicks, but he snatched victory away from teams that pretty much had it in their hand when he did it in Milwaukee in that series, and then in the last series he did it where they're.

I think it has to be Colin because like it happened, when it happens to you, it can be traumatizing. Because listen, this has happened on three other occasions which Indiana prevailed, not at this magnitude as the Knicks, but he snatched victory away from teams that pretty much had it in their hand when he did it in Milwaukee in that series, and then in the last series he did it where they're.

Playing uh, who are they playing Cleveland?

Playing uh, who are they playing Cleveland?

He did it in the last minute, and now he does it again here in So this has to be like, you have to start throwing this in the sky.

He did it in the last minute, and now he does it again here in So this has to be like, you have to start throwing this in the sky.

Report.

Report.

The game is never over, guys like play until the end, right, you know, And and Indiana has shown you that on three occasions.

The game is never over, guys like play until the end, right, you know, And and Indiana has shown you that on three occasions.

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Yeah. So I want to ask you about SGA and the whistle. So my take is there are certain players Karl Malone got it, James Harden got it, Jokic gets it. D Wade did some flopping that that there are players that lean into it. D Wade was, you know, he played big Brunson gets the whistle. Yeah, but it seems to drive players crazy with SGA, who by all accounts a really cool dude, like he was such a nice guy. When you watch him, does it drive you crazy the whistle he gets?

Yeah. So I want to ask you about SGA and the whistle. So my take is there are certain players Karl Malone got it, James Harden got it, Jokic gets it. D Wade did some flopping that that there are players that lean into it. D Wade was, you know, he played big Brunson gets the whistle. Yeah, but it seems to drive players crazy with SGA, who by all accounts a really cool dude, like he was such a nice guy. When you watch him, does it drive you crazy the whistle he gets?

You know, listen, I'm always a believer, Like listen, you're gonna you're gonna have to stay aggressive. If you stay aggressive all night, they you're gonna have to make the referee make a decision.

You know, listen, I'm always a believer, Like listen, you're gonna you're gonna have to stay aggressive. If you stay aggressive all night, they you're gonna have to make the referee make a decision.

And he just.

And he just.

Constantly he puts pressure on the refs every play like runs it.

Constantly he puts pressure on the refs every play like runs it.

It's like you damn near.

It's like you damn near.

Could call a foul every play because think about his body type too. When you look at Shank Gilds, he's he's skinny, uh and strong, and so every little bump is gonna knock him off balance like he's getting froud, right, you know what I'm saying. And when you got that type of strength as a guy who's who has a thin frame, but you're aggressive with it, sort of like Alan Iverson, you know, there's gonna be nice where you get the benefit of the call because of that because you're so aggressive and one little bump you can make it look like it's like knocking you way off balance to where it's like wow, come on, called a foul.

Could call a foul every play because think about his body type too. When you look at Shank Gilds, he's he's skinny, uh and strong, and so every little bump is gonna knock him off balance like he's getting froud, right, you know what I'm saying. And when you got that type of strength as a guy who's who has a thin frame, but you're aggressive with it, sort of like Alan Iverson, you know, there's gonna be nice where you get the benefit of the call because of that because you're so aggressive and one little bump you can make it look like it's like knocking you way off balance to where it's like wow, come on, called a foul.

Reference.

Reference.

Yeah, when as a former player in a Hall of Famer. It's I picked Indiana to win an okay see to win. Yeah, just just looking today Indiana, Okay see, if they played tomorrow, there's some similar deep roster, dominant guard. I mean, I'm not saying the series is over, but if New York's gonna allow that pace, that plays right into Indiana's hand. We saw it last year. The Knicks got tired when you are I look at okay s He's the best team in the league. I'm not sure Indiana is that far behind. What say you no?

Yeah, when as a former player in a Hall of Famer. It's I picked Indiana to win an okay see to win. Yeah, just just looking today Indiana, Okay see, if they played tomorrow, there's some similar deep roster, dominant guard. I mean, I'm not saying the series is over, but if New York's gonna allow that pace, that plays right into Indiana's hand. We saw it last year. The Knicks got tired when you are I look at okay s He's the best team in the league. I'm not sure Indiana is that far behind. What say you no?

I agree?

I agree?

I mean I said this all season long. I said, man, Indiana's gonna be a problem. You know, I watched them in the Conference finals versus Celtics, and they gave them everything they wanted.

I mean I said this all season long. I said, man, Indiana's gonna be a problem. You know, I watched them in the Conference finals versus Celtics, and they gave them everything they wanted.

They want to.

They want to.

Uh, they're one of the few teams that can run with anybody. They're they're one of the few teams that go ten deep. And they got dogs. They got dogs, Colin. I'm telling you, they got about four or five guys that I could say they can I can say, hey, listen, it's I could put him on anybody on the court and I and I'm confident that they can guard or I'm confident they can make shots or I'm confident that they can be their night. I mean you look at the way that the one that they played, they picked up full court every all night.

Uh, they're one of the few teams that can run with anybody. They're they're one of the few teams that go ten deep. And they got dogs. They got dogs, Colin. I'm telling you, they got about four or five guys that I could say they can I can say, hey, listen, it's I could put him on anybody on the court and I and I'm confident that they can guard or I'm confident they can make shots or I'm confident that they can be their night. I mean you look at the way that the one that they played, they picked up full court every all night.

Last night.

Last night.

I was like, Wow, they're trying to wear their knicks down all night. They picked up with It's nim Hart niece Smith.

I was like, Wow, they're trying to wear their knicks down all night. They picked up with It's nim Hart niece Smith.

Uh.

Uh.

I call the point guard home alone. Mccock yeah, McConnell, yeah, McConnell. I called him home alone.

I call the point guard home alone. Mccock yeah, McConnell, yeah, McConnell. I called him home alone.

So I mean, think about this, Pascal sie alcomes a great player. Yes, Like last night, you don't even notice them. Their guards takeover. So it's like, you know, you're a good team. That's what I said about the Celtics last year. You know, there are nights that Jalen Brown and Derek White were the offense and you're like, Tatum's the third option. Like I look at Indiana and I'm like, I don't know. I think offense, I think Okay sees better defensively. I think Indiana is more lethal offensively. I think they're a handful.

So I mean, think about this, Pascal sie alcomes a great player. Yes, Like last night, you don't even notice them. Their guards takeover. So it's like, you know, you're a good team. That's what I said about the Celtics last year. You know, there are nights that Jalen Brown and Derek White were the offense and you're like, Tatum's the third option. Like I look at Indiana and I'm like, I don't know. I think offense, I think Okay sees better defensively. I think Indiana is more lethal offensively. I think they're a handful.

Yeah, that's that's hard to scout because like ideally you're saying, Okay Siakam is our second option. But there's nights where, like I was watching the game yesterday, and I was like, they don't go to him like a second option, No, you know, like you know, Okay, see Okay, Jalen Brown is I mean Jalen Jalen.

Yeah, that's that's hard to scout because like ideally you're saying, Okay Siakam is our second option. But there's nights where, like I was watching the game yesterday, and I was like, they don't go to him like a second option, No, you know, like you know, Okay, see Okay, Jalen Brown is I mean Jalen Jalen.

Willias is their second option. For sure.

Willias is their second option. For sure.

He's their all star. And on other nights it's gonna be chat chat hunger on Indiana, I don't know on any given night who it's gonna be the guy who's gonna step up. And that's what makes him unpredictable. It's easier to guard a team like, Okay, the Knicks when we go on, when I go into the locker room for the scouting report, Jalen and Katy, this is the head of the snake right here, and I know how to prepare for that. How do I prepare for any other team that runs that throws at ahead, Nobody cares who gets the credit, extra pass, extra pass play for one another. At the end of the day, we'll see where we're at. How do you scout that?

He's their all star. And on other nights it's gonna be chat chat hunger on Indiana, I don't know on any given night who it's gonna be the guy who's gonna step up. And that's what makes him unpredictable. It's easier to guard a team like, Okay, the Knicks when we go on, when I go into the locker room for the scouting report, Jalen and Katy, this is the head of the snake right here, and I know how to prepare for that. How do I prepare for any other team that runs that throws at ahead, Nobody cares who gets the credit, extra pass, extra pass play for one another. At the end of the day, we'll see where we're at. How do you scout that?

Finally, Oksey is young and getting better with a ton of draft picks. Indiana's mostly young and the last two years they're getting better. If the Knicks lose this in five, say they give a good fight but they just they can't win them. Do they have to go a big move Yiannis, a smaller move KD. What when you watch the Knicks, is there one thing you watch right now and go listen. You ain't beating OKC in Indiana the next three years. There is something you got to fix. Do you see that? Well?

Finally, Oksey is young and getting better with a ton of draft picks. Indiana's mostly young and the last two years they're getting better. If the Knicks lose this in five, say they give a good fight but they just they can't win them. Do they have to go a big move Yiannis, a smaller move KD. What when you watch the Knicks, is there one thing you watch right now and go listen. You ain't beating OKC in Indiana the next three years. There is something you got to fix. Do you see that? Well?

Yeah, I think it's depth at this stage. I think if you talk about this starting five, I think it's one of the best starting fives in all of basketball.

Yeah, I think it's depth at this stage. I think if you talk about this starting five, I think it's one of the best starting fives in all of basketball.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Agree, Yeah, And so I think they need that one player that can count on off the bench, whether it's like a guy like Grant down in Portland. I think he could have helped the playoff team this year. A big wing that can play defense and knock down threes that you can count on, somebody the bitch that you can just count on every night, Like any given night. He can give you fifteen, ten to fifteen, but you can count on that and you can trust them. If somebody go down, he can fill in as a starting spot. You need a guy like that off the bench, and I think that's what the Knicks are missing when you're trying to make long, deep, playoff runs, because at this point everybody's banged up and you need that guy off the bitch.

Agree, Yeah, And so I think they need that one player that can count on off the bench, whether it's like a guy like Grant down in Portland. I think he could have helped the playoff team this year. A big wing that can play defense and knock down threes that you can count on, somebody the bitch that you can just count on every night, Like any given night. He can give you fifteen, ten to fifteen, but you can count on that and you can trust them. If somebody go down, he can fill in as a starting spot. You need a guy like that off the bench, and I think that's what the Knicks are missing when you're trying to make long, deep, playoff runs, because at this point everybody's banged up and you need that guy off the bitch.

You can give you a starter tight minutes. Yeah.

You can give you a starter tight minutes. Yeah.

No, it's a little bit like the Denver Nuggets. I love their starting five, but they just wore down. And I feel the same way with the next They both need a really good, dynamic bench player that can give you fourteen every night of the year.

No, it's a little bit like the Denver Nuggets. I love their starting five, but they just wore down. And I feel the same way with the next They both need a really good, dynamic bench player that can give you fourteen every night of the year.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Paul as Oh was the Hall of Famer, buddy. It's great seeing you. A wild night.

Paul as Oh was the Hall of Famer, buddy. It's great seeing you. A wild night.

Good to see you always. Kylin.

Good to see you always. Kylin.

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Con let's start with your Detroit Lions.

Con let's start with your Detroit Lions.

You claim this team is one of the best in the league. Well, Aiden Hutchinson's going to be back with them. Look at him here on the video saying he's fully cleared and ready for action. Uh, he looks kind of ferocious in his video. Here's Aiden Hutchison on returning to the Lions.

You claim this team is one of the best in the league. Well, Aiden Hutchinson's going to be back with them. Look at him here on the video saying he's fully cleared and ready for action. Uh, he looks kind of ferocious in his video. Here's Aiden Hutchison on returning to the Lions.

I got cleared a while back, and now I'm just I'm wrong with the boys now and it feels like it feels like I'm back to being myself again, and yeah, I'm really looking forward to the season. I'm looking forward to I mean, I think this is the most excited I've been for OTAs in my life. This is the biggest hiatus I've had without playing ball, So I am I'm pumped.

I got cleared a while back, and now I'm just I'm wrong with the boys now and it feels like it feels like I'm back to being myself again, and yeah, I'm really looking forward to the season. I'm looking forward to I mean, I think this is the most excited I've been for OTAs in my life. This is the biggest hiatus I've had without playing ball, So I am I'm pumped.

We talk about windows opening and closing in the NFL.

We talk about windows opening and closing in the NFL.

Lions have had.

Lions have had.

A really strong two year run, gulling, can they extend it or do you think that windows closed losing Ben Johnson.

A really strong two year run, gulling, can they extend it or do you think that windows closed losing Ben Johnson.

Now, they've already paid Pinay Soul, Jared Goff, Amaran Saint Brown. They've got key players paid. They are not paying Hutchison yet they have mostly been an offensive franchise. So if you're arguing, here's what I would say. Detroit's done. They have figured out. Kansas City's done this, The Rams have figured this out. If you're gonna pay players in this league, pay the offensive players. Keep your defense young and inexpensive, and defensive players statistics get hurt more, so you want guys that are young and recover faster. So I think Detroit spent their money on offense, and I agree with it. They have struggled on cornerback a little bit. Drafting it that that's been the kind of the miss for them. Everybody has one, but I think overall it's anytime I think you have a top three offensive line and a top five front office drafting, you're not going anywhere.

Now, they've already paid Pinay Soul, Jared Goff, Amaran Saint Brown. They've got key players paid. They are not paying Hutchison yet they have mostly been an offensive franchise. So if you're arguing, here's what I would say. Detroit's done. They have figured out. Kansas City's done this, The Rams have figured this out. If you're gonna pay players in this league, pay the offensive players. Keep your defense young and inexpensive, and defensive players statistics get hurt more, so you want guys that are young and recover faster. So I think Detroit spent their money on offense, and I agree with it. They have struggled on cornerback a little bit. Drafting it that that's been the kind of the miss for them. Everybody has one, but I think overall it's anytime I think you have a top three offensive line and a top five front office drafting, you're not going anywhere.

So unfortunately, I'm looking at the schedule for the Lions, colin a lot of outdoor games early. These are three of the quarterbacks they have to face before Halloween. Okay, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes, all of them on the road. And that's for a defense Detroit's, which I mean you got shredded at home in the playoffs by Jayden Daniels.

So unfortunately, I'm looking at the schedule for the Lions, colin a lot of outdoor games early. These are three of the quarterbacks they have to face before Halloween. Okay, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes, all of them on the road. And that's for a defense Detroit's, which I mean you got shredded at home in the playoffs by Jayden Daniels.

I think they give up like forty five points.

I think they give up like forty five points.

If you're going to beat great quarterbacks, the one thing that helps you is an offensive line that you can play keep away, and Detroit's the second best in the league. The second thing that helps you was an elite pass rusher, Aiden Hushison. Detroit's actually built to be really good quarterbacks. Doesn't mean they're going to, yeah, but they're built. They've got a pass rush, and they've got a formidable O line and the best running back combination in the league to keep the ball away from your star. So I think they're fine.

If you're going to beat great quarterbacks, the one thing that helps you is an offensive line that you can play keep away, and Detroit's the second best in the league. The second thing that helps you was an elite pass rusher, Aiden Hushison. Detroit's actually built to be really good quarterbacks. Doesn't mean they're going to, yeah, but they're built. They've got a pass rush, and they've got a formidable O line and the best running back combination in the league to keep the ball away from your star. So I think they're fine.

I mean they're coming out of the gate facing a lot of teams that were in the playoffs last year. Colin, you know we're gonna you know what, you know the narratives if the offense just pulls back.

I mean they're coming out of the gate facing a lot of teams that were in the playoffs last year. Colin, you know we're gonna you know what, you know the narratives if the offense just pulls back.

A little and the defense pulls back a.

A little and the defense pulls back a.

Little waiting there for I see a lot of wins. That's what I see. Baltimore's a loss. The rest no ber wins not.

Little waiting there for I see a lot of wins. That's what I see. Baltimore's a loss. The rest no ber wins not.

Sometimes I love.

Sometimes I love.

Your optimism, Colin, uh, all right, let's go to the NBA. Listen, Hey, Austin Reeves has been a huge talking point for us, specifically you are, you know, not as sold on Austin Reeves as I am. Why had Dave McManaman, who covers the Lakers on my podcast, and he basically kept the reel on the Reeves straight front, floating a name you haven't heard yet.

Your optimism, Colin, uh, all right, let's go to the NBA. Listen, Hey, Austin Reeves has been a huge talking point for us, specifically you are, you know, not as sold on Austin Reeves as I am. Why had Dave McManaman, who covers the Lakers on my podcast, and he basically kept the reel on the Reeves straight front, floating a name you haven't heard yet.

Potentially for Reeves.

Potentially for Reeves.

There is a big Austin recas question.

There is a big Austin recas question.

But Austin Reeves, in my opinion, will only be moved if someone like Yasaid Tokupo says I want to play in LA and LA only and then then the Lakers of course got to figure something out and that they need pieces in order to make that happen.

But Austin Reeves, in my opinion, will only be moved if someone like Yasaid Tokupo says I want to play in LA and LA only and then then the Lakers of course got to figure something out and that they need pieces in order to make that happen.

I am still very curious to see what Jalen Brown does.

I am still very curious to see what Jalen Brown does.

Does he want to be a part of what seems to be kind of a rebuild on the fly in.

Does he want to be a part of what seems to be kind of a rebuild on the fly in.

Boston or will he say you know what, I don't. I don't know if this is something that's for me.

Boston or will he say you know what, I don't. I don't know if this is something that's for me.

And then if Jalen Brown becomes a name that's available that I think, yeah, that's that's exactly.

And then if Jalen Brown becomes a name that's available that I think, yeah, that's that's exactly.

There's no way off a Tatum injury, I'm giving up Jalen Brown for Austin Reeves and picks. Well, no, one just.

There's no way off a Tatum injury, I'm giving up Jalen Brown for Austin Reeves and picks. Well, no, one just.

Know that the Celtics are going to be selling some big money guys.

Know that the Celtics are going to be selling some big money guys.

Now.

Now.

Jalen Brown obviously very good played it cal albeit for one year. There's a world where Austin Reeves is not moved unless it's for a superstar of that caliber. And when you hear that, do you start to believe, Oh, maybe the Lakers know something about Reeves that that I don't.

Jalen Brown obviously very good played it cal albeit for one year. There's a world where Austin Reeves is not moved unless it's for a superstar of that caliber. And when you hear that, do you start to believe, Oh, maybe the Lakers know something about Reeves that that I don't.

No. I again, I think Minnesota's defense was truth. Serum is that when you put big athletic long players on him, he struggled to even get to the free throw line. So again, I think the Lakers are over valuing Austin Reeves. I think he's a really good player. He is a four on an NBA championship team. He's not as good as Derek White, who's a four on the Celtics. He's not as good as Derek White.

No. I again, I think Minnesota's defense was truth. Serum is that when you put big athletic long players on him, he struggled to even get to the free throw line. So again, I think the Lakers are over valuing Austin Reeves. I think he's a really good player. He is a four on an NBA championship team. He's not as good as Derek White, who's a four on the Celtics. He's not as good as Derek White.

I hope Austin Reves is watching.

I hope Austin Reves is watching.

Look at the numbers that he had coming off the best season of his career. If this was nineteen ninety three, he would have been an All Star. Okay, but now the league is stacked twenty four and five and basically carried the Lakers at times a season when they had injuries.

Look at the numbers that he had coming off the best season of his career. If this was nineteen ninety three, he would have been an All Star. Okay, but now the league is stacked twenty four and five and basically carried the Lakers at times a season when they had injuries.

Come on, man, because he couldn't beat Anthony Edwards all of a sudden. He's not great, So disrespectful.

Come on, man, because he couldn't beat Anthony Edwards all of a sudden. He's not great, So disrespectful.

Anyways, Let's go to a guy you love from Austin Reeves to Jonathan Kuminga. Right now, This one's hard to believe Colin, but former NBA guard key On Duling kind of bounced around the league.

Anyways, Let's go to a guy you love from Austin Reeves to Jonathan Kuminga. Right now, This one's hard to believe Colin, but former NBA guard key On Duling kind of bounced around the league.

Good guard.

Good guard.

He went on a podcast and said, if Jonathan Kuminga is traded this offseason, he could follow the career path of a Hall of famer.

He went on a podcast and said, if Jonathan Kuminga is traded this offseason, he could follow the career path of a Hall of famer.

Take a listener.

Take a listener.

If you trade him, he'll be like how Tracy McGrady was when he got traded from the Raptors there and he'll be like on the cusp. If not an All Star, he'll be a very very talented lead scorer in the NBA type guy.

If you trade him, he'll be like how Tracy McGrady was when he got traded from the Raptors there and he'll be like on the cusp. If not an All Star, he'll be a very very talented lead scorer in the NBA type guy.

No.

No.

When I first heard that, when Zach came to me with that, I was like, key on duling said this.

When I first heard that, when Zach came to me with that, I was like, key on duling said this.

You see the reaction from Matt Barnes. There was no like are you crazy? Like if you had said.

You see the reaction from Matt Barnes. There was no like are you crazy? Like if you had said.

That, could kuminga beat Tracy McGrady, No, I would have thought, like, what are they giving you if he ends up?

That, could kuminga beat Tracy McGrady, No, I would have thought, like, what are they giving you if he ends up?

If you told me that he goes to and you pick a team, he goes to Washington average is twenty four a game. Yes, absolutely, he's never gonna be a one. He's a three on a championship team.

If you told me that he goes to and you pick a team, he goes to Washington average is twenty four a game. Yes, absolutely, he's never gonna be a one. He's a three on a championship team.

Wait, wait time, maybe maybe Is he gonna ever make an All Star team?

Wait, wait time, maybe maybe Is he gonna ever make an All Star team?

Just a barometer? Can Kamena be an All Star?

Just a barometer? Can Kamena be an All Star?

Could he make an Eastern Conference All Star team?

Could he make an Eastern Conference All Star team?

Yes?

Yes?

I think he probably could.

I think he probably could.

Yes, Yeah, there's no chance a three which.

Yes, Yeah, there's no chance a three which.

Not West, not out West, but out East.

Not West, not out West, but out East.

Remember Steve Kerr basically benched him for like two months, like he doesn't work in our system, which is essentially the best system in the NBA.

Remember Steve Kerr basically benched him for like two months, like he doesn't work in our system, which is essentially the best system in the NBA.

J Mack with the news.

J Mack with the news.

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Of the race.

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All right, Jay Mackett's my favorite time every week, usually on Fridays, but occasionally tomorrow. You know, we got indie racing stuff. So that's what Fox has, the Indy five hundred proudly. And so we are off tomorrow, and I hope you have a big weekend planned. I'm getting I'm just doing a bunch of stuff and thank god I live next to good restaurants because they'll be hanging out. But we you never sleep on your headlines. Tomorrow's headlines today ge Wolves Thunder series. All right, what do you think you know?

All right, Jay Mackett's my favorite time every week, usually on Fridays, but occasionally tomorrow. You know, we got indie racing stuff. So that's what Fox has, the Indy five hundred proudly. And so we are off tomorrow, and I hope you have a big weekend planned. I'm getting I'm just doing a bunch of stuff and thank god I live next to good restaurants because they'll be hanging out. But we you never sleep on your headlines. Tomorrow's headlines today ge Wolves Thunder series. All right, what do you think you know?

Listen? Obviously this is huge Timberwolves Thunder.

Listen? Obviously this is huge Timberwolves Thunder.

We didn't see good ratings, but it's a huge matchup between Anthony Edwards and SGA. Even though the Thunder rolled in Game one. The headline for the series will be go bear or go home. Wolves pack mentality pays off. I'm sticking with my pick of Minnesota. I'm on an island here. By the way, the line has gone from eight to seven. So everybody does believe in the zigzag theory here that Minnesota will show up tonight. You kind of gotta have this one, and I do believe Gobert will have to be a factor. We saw the thunder dominate in the paint. They got whatever they wanted. I think you got to play a little more go beart. But more importantly, the way they defend SGA has to be smarter. They've also got to attack the rim. Colin Anthony Edward's taking one shot in the paint, I mean, I know he's a cocky young guy and he's laughing looking at the box scorer after getting blasted by.

We didn't see good ratings, but it's a huge matchup between Anthony Edwards and SGA. Even though the Thunder rolled in Game one. The headline for the series will be go bear or go home. Wolves pack mentality pays off. I'm sticking with my pick of Minnesota. I'm on an island here. By the way, the line has gone from eight to seven. So everybody does believe in the zigzag theory here that Minnesota will show up tonight. You kind of gotta have this one, and I do believe Gobert will have to be a factor. We saw the thunder dominate in the paint. They got whatever they wanted. I think you got to play a little more go beart. But more importantly, the way they defend SGA has to be smarter. They've also got to attack the rim. Colin Anthony Edward's taking one shot in the paint, I mean, I know he's a cocky young guy and he's laughing looking at the box scorer after getting blasted by.

Twenty in game one. Hey ant time to lock in.

Twenty in game one. Hey ant time to lock in.

Remember they lost Game one to the Warriors and Seth Curry got hurt and they rolled the rest of the way, but they did steal game one from the Lakers. This is a team that has showed up on the road. I think the Wolves get it done and take down.

Remember they lost Game one to the Warriors and Seth Curry got hurt and they rolled the rest of the way, but they did steal game one from the Lakers. This is a team that has showed up on the road. I think the Wolves get it done and take down.

Okay, see tomorrow's headlines Today Racers Nicks. What's the headline?

Okay, see tomorrow's headlines Today Racers Nicks. What's the headline?

Well, come on, I'm the next guy, you know, like I picked the next before the series, I have like the Pacers for a minute, Colin, The headline will be tip me baby one more time.

Well, come on, I'm the next guy, you know, like I picked the next before the series, I have like the Pacers for a minute, Colin, The headline will be tip me baby one more time.

Pop Pacers culture. I'm gonna stick with the Knicks in the series again.

Pop Pacers culture. I'm gonna stick with the Knicks in the series again.

You lead by sixteen in the fourth at home, you gotta close that out. There's no excuses I will say the role players, like Colin, did you have Aaron.

You lead by sixteen in the fourth at home, you gotta close that out. There's no excuses I will say the role players, like Colin, did you have Aaron.

Nesmith hitting eight of the nine to three? Honestly?

Nesmith hitting eight of the nine to three? Honestly?

Is he you' forgetting that he had six threes alone in the fourth quarter. The odds of him doing that again are infinitesimal. I do believe the Knicks have the better team. Paul Pierce made a good point, the Pacers are deeper, But did you notice the Knicks they played an eight man.

Is he you' forgetting that he had six threes alone in the fourth quarter. The odds of him doing that again are infinitesimal. I do believe the Knicks have the better team. Paul Pierce made a good point, the Pacers are deeper, But did you notice the Knicks they played an eight man.

Rotation really instead of seven?

Rotation really instead of seven?

I thought Campaign McBride and Mitchell Robinson gave good minutes and again this arrested team.

I thought Campaign McBride and Mitchell Robinson gave good minutes and again this arrested team.

Brunson had forty three.

Brunson had forty three.

You want an obscure bet that I made really good odds that Brunson would score forty five or more points.

You want an obscure bet that I made really good odds that Brunson would score forty five or more points.

In one game.

In one game.

He almost got it in game one. He's unguardable. They don't have a guy to match up with him. And I still like the Knicks in the series. They're gonna take it in six or seven.

He almost got it in game one. He's unguardable. They don't have a guy to match up with him. And I still like the Knicks in the series. They're gonna take it in six or seven.

Okay, Now, let's just pivot to some nfls. Brought Party's new contract among other stories tomorrow's headlines today, what's the headline going to be for the San Francisco forty nine ers and the Brockmeister this year?

Okay, Now, let's just pivot to some nfls. Brought Party's new contract among other stories tomorrow's headlines today, what's the headline going to be for the San Francisco forty nine ers and the Brockmeister this year?

So we like to pull the curtain back a little to show the audience like what's going on. Initially, when the numbers come out on these contracts, they're massive, to make it look like the agent in a Grand Slam god has client all the money.

So we like to pull the curtain back a little to show the audience like what's going on. Initially, when the numbers come out on these contracts, they're massive, to make it look like the agent in a Grand Slam god has client all the money.

But soon you start peeling layers back. Colin, we've seen the Party deals favorable.

But soon you start peeling layers back. Colin, we've seen the Party deals favorable.

The headline will be purty fly for a pricey guy. Brock gets dollars and delivers. Colin, this deal is so favorable to the Niners. Now that doesn't mean Brock got jobbed, okay, but when you look closely, it's essentially a three year deal for one hundred and sixteen mil, which averages to about thirty eight million a year, heavily front loaded guaranteed money. They are going to be able to manage the salary cap the next three years. I know, on the surface, fifty three million, they are screwed. They can't add defenders. That's just not the case. They structured this very well. They have a smart front office, and I do believe that. And I don't know how to say this nicely. You're disdain for the mister irrelevant from a few years ago is clouding your judgment here.

The headline will be purty fly for a pricey guy. Brock gets dollars and delivers. Colin, this deal is so favorable to the Niners. Now that doesn't mean Brock got jobbed, okay, but when you look closely, it's essentially a three year deal for one hundred and sixteen mil, which averages to about thirty eight million a year, heavily front loaded guaranteed money. They are going to be able to manage the salary cap the next three years. I know, on the surface, fifty three million, they are screwed. They can't add defenders. That's just not the case. They structured this very well. They have a smart front office, and I do believe that. And I don't know how to say this nicely. You're disdain for the mister irrelevant from a few years ago is clouding your judgment here.

The schedule's favorable.

The schedule's favorable.

Christian McCaffrey's gonna be healthy, Trent Williams is still breathing, Kyle Shanahan's still a genius.

Christian McCaffrey's gonna be healthy, Trent Williams is still breathing, Kyle Shanahan's still a genius.

Colin. This is a twelve or thirteen win team this year. I'm sorry.

Colin. This is a twelve or thirteen win team this year. I'm sorry.

That's a lot Tomorrow's headlines today. How rosy is the outlook for the Chicago Bears.

That's a lot Tomorrow's headlines today. How rosy is the outlook for the Chicago Bears.

So earlier in the week, you know, the Caleb Williams book story popped. Not great, but that was the last regime. Maybe things will be different this year. The headline for the Bears will be putting the mid in Midwest the Caleb Williams story. I'm sorry, apologies to my middle school kids who always say the word mid.

So earlier in the week, you know, the Caleb Williams book story popped. Not great, but that was the last regime. Maybe things will be different this year. The headline for the Bears will be putting the mid in Midwest the Caleb Williams story. I'm sorry, apologies to my middle school kids who always say the word mid.

I don't see it this year. I think this is gonna be a transition.

I don't see it this year. I think this is gonna be a transition.

You're collin for them with the new regime Ben Johnson coming in. It's not like it's gonna click like that. You know, things don't work that quickly. I think he's gonna have to change some habits that Caleb Williams has fair fair and you know, the offensive line is new and it's talented, but that stuff rarely gels overnight.

You're collin for them with the new regime Ben Johnson coming in. It's not like it's gonna click like that. You know, things don't work that quickly. I think he's gonna have to change some habits that Caleb Williams has fair fair and you know, the offensive line is new and it's talented, but that stuff rarely gels overnight.

I don't love the schedule. I think this is.

I don't love the schedule. I think this is.

An eight or nine win team Max and I don't see playoffs. I see improvement for Caleb, but I don't think it happens this year.

An eight or nine win team Max and I don't see playoffs. I see improvement for Caleb, but I don't think it happens this year.

I don't think there are eleven wins and in the playoffs.

I don't think there are eleven wins and in the playoffs.

All right, fair enough, nine wins, I got them at ten. Finally, Tomorrow's headlines today, I better get invited to the Bella Chick Jordan Hudson wedding. I'm for it. What say you on the headline in the future of those two?

All right, fair enough, nine wins, I got them at ten. Finally, Tomorrow's headlines today, I better get invited to the Bella Chick Jordan Hudson wedding. I'm for it. What say you on the headline in the future of those two?

I mean, at this rate, you may officiate the damn thing. Goodness, gracious, you're saying so many things about it. Gollin, This story makes me leary. I'm just gonna present it. The headline will be bella chick magnet, will stop playing the.

I mean, at this rate, you may officiate the damn thing. Goodness, gracious, you're saying so many things about it. Gollin, This story makes me leary. I'm just gonna present it. The headline will be bella chick magnet, will stop playing the.

Field, Colin.

Field, Colin.

This is a tough one, honestly, Like, I'm kind of happy for them. It's a great story for Belichick, you know. I think it was Edelman who pointed out at best Belichick does not like distractions and noise, and that's all this is.

This is a tough one, honestly, Like, I'm kind of happy for them. It's a great story for Belichick, you know. I think it was Edelman who pointed out at best Belichick does not like distractions and noise, and that's all this is.

There is some chatter from one of our guests.

There is some chatter from one of our guests.

I forget who that said North Carolina's not happy with this spotlight.

I forget who that said North Carolina's not happy with this spotlight.

I think it's gonna be okay. The schedule is kind of weak.

I think it's gonna be okay. The schedule is kind of weak.

But I don't know too much about the North Carolina talent on that team. I just trust Belichick, Michael Lombardi a company to get it done. Yeah, And I think all this negative press in the summer will probably go away during the season as soon as Carolina starts winning, right.

But I don't know too much about the North Carolina talent on that team. I just trust Belichick, Michael Lombardi a company to get it done. Yeah, And I think all this negative press in the summer will probably go away during the season as soon as Carolina starts winning, right.

Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know if we have Carolina's schedule. I think the great advantage to Dion Sanders going to Colorado is the Big twelves week, Yeah, right, Like, like what would they do in the Big Ten or the SEC. They'd be like a three win team. The right now is the worst Big conference of the four. It's the worst, I mean, and it'd be different. And I respect the hell out of Clemson, but they're not playing nil games. So that that they have a really good quarterback this year and a great coach, but they're not they're not paying for the players like Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, LSU. So when I look at North Carolina, as long as they're competent at quarterback, Richmond, Charlotte, I mean this would this would be a tougher basketball schedule. You UCF, CAL, Syracuse, Stanford, I do.

Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know if we have Carolina's schedule. I think the great advantage to Dion Sanders going to Colorado is the Big twelves week, Yeah, right, Like, like what would they do in the Big Ten or the SEC. They'd be like a three win team. The right now is the worst Big conference of the four. It's the worst, I mean, and it'd be different. And I respect the hell out of Clemson, but they're not playing nil games. So that that they have a really good quarterback this year and a great coach, but they're not they're not paying for the players like Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, LSU. So when I look at North Carolina, as long as they're competent at quarterback, Richmond, Charlotte, I mean this would this would be a tougher basketball schedule. You UCF, CAL, Syracuse, Stanford, I do.

See you and the opener they heading in Clemson.

See you and the opener they heading in Clemson.

Right this These are really good academic schools, Wake Forest stand this looks like a rating of the top ten academic schools, wake Forest, Stanford, Syracuse, Virginia Cal. This is a nine win schedule.

Right this These are really good academic schools, Wake Forest stand this looks like a rating of the top ten academic schools, wake Forest, Stanford, Syracuse, Virginia Cal. This is a nine win schedule.

Well, North Carolina is a great academic school, and it's.

Well, North Carolina is a great academic school, and it's.

Yes, And I think, I mean, what is what's the what's their unwinnable road game at Syracuse? They're on a road game. They won't be a seven point dog in any of these games. I think Clemson will be favored by a touchdown. That's about it.

Yes, And I think, I mean, what is what's the what's their unwinnable road game at Syracuse? They're on a road game. They won't be a seven point dog in any of these games. I think Clemson will be favored by a touchdown. That's about it.

I think you can just roll into berserkly in October and.

I think you can just roll into berserkly in October and.

Yeah, hell yeah, yeah, I think you can. I think everybody has my entire life. I mean, that is as easy as a college football schedule.

Yeah, hell yeah, yeah, I think you can. I think everybody has my entire life. I mean, that is as easy as a college football schedule.

Get it's favorable. I mean I said they would be on the fringe of the playoff. I don't know, we'll see how that Clemson result is. If you're very high on kid club Nick.

Get it's favorable. I mean I said they would be on the fringe of the playoff. I don't know, we'll see how that Clemson result is. If you're very high on kid club Nick.

Huh oh, I think he's pretty good. Yeah, I mean I don't know. Again, a year ago, you guys all told me quin yours was a first round pick. He's a good college quarterback. I think the kid at Penn State, the kid at Clemson, and Arch Manning are your three guys when.

Huh oh, I think he's pretty good. Yeah, I mean I don't know. Again, a year ago, you guys all told me quin yours was a first round pick. He's a good college quarterback. I think the kid at Penn State, the kid at Clemson, and Arch Manning are your three guys when.

Yours went to back to back college football playoffs. Like he's a damn good college quarterback.

Yours went to back to back college football playoffs. Like he's a damn good college quarterback.

That's right.

That's right.

I think Club Nick's okay.

I think Club Nick's okay.

The supporting cast, like you said, they're not really heavy on the edge.

The supporting cast, like you said, they're not really heavy on the edge.

So yeah, I'm just saying when I watched him, I thought that's an NFL quarterback. I don't know what it is, but it looks like you know, I mean, listen, Will Howard went like in the fifth round or something like that. He's better than Will Howard.

So yeah, I'm just saying when I watched him, I thought that's an NFL quarterback. I don't know what it is, but it looks like you know, I mean, listen, Will Howard went like in the fifth round or something like that. He's better than Will Howard.

Yes, I would agree on that, yes, certain.

Yes, I would agree on that, yes, certain.

Yeah, all right, J Matt, good stuff. Today Paul Pierce stopped by both Channing Fry and Paul Pierce said the same thing, and they got a lot of games in New York. Channing Fry's career started there. Is that when you're an opponent, going to New York does not feel like a road game. It feels like you're on Broadway or you're at Rucker Park. The audience in New York is a very smart, savvy sports audience. Similarly they are with plays and the arts and literature. And I think when you go to New York, NBA has been a star driven league. NBA appreciates stars. Jordan had some of his great games there. Kobe loved to play there. Go ask any NBA player, it's showoff time. And that was one of the things last night. Which team was loosest. It wasn't the Knicks. The road small market Pacers played much looser basketball. They had their legs because they have so much depth, so their long rain shooting was great. They played loose basketball because they play out tempo, and that's how they play loose. Everybody touches it. The Knicks at home got tight and looked a little tired. When you struggle to hit threes. That's usually an indication you didn't forget how to shoot. You're tired, you've lost your legs. Like Denver shooting poorly late in games. They were tired. So wow, fun show. First Things First in Indie, next couple of days. Looking forward to seeing that, See you next week. It's the hurt.

Yeah, all right, J Matt, good stuff. Today Paul Pierce stopped by both Channing Fry and Paul Pierce said the same thing, and they got a lot of games in New York. Channing Fry's career started there. Is that when you're an opponent, going to New York does not feel like a road game. It feels like you're on Broadway or you're at Rucker Park. The audience in New York is a very smart, savvy sports audience. Similarly they are with plays and the arts and literature. And I think when you go to New York, NBA has been a star driven league. NBA appreciates stars. Jordan had some of his great games there. Kobe loved to play there. Go ask any NBA player, it's showoff time. And that was one of the things last night. Which team was loosest. It wasn't the Knicks. The road small market Pacers played much looser basketball. They had their legs because they have so much depth, so their long rain shooting was great. They played loose basketball because they play out tempo, and that's how they play loose. Everybody touches it. The Knicks at home got tight and looked a little tired. When you struggle to hit threes. That's usually an indication you didn't forget how to shoot. You're tired, you've lost your legs. Like Denver shooting poorly late in games. They were tired. So wow, fun show. First Things First in Indie, next couple of days. Looking forward to seeing that, See you next week. It's the hurt.