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At McShay thirteen does an extraordinary job on this stuff. None taught for a lot of years he was on with us, so recently we're bringing him back as the draft begins in Earnest on Thursday. So I want to start with this. There's and I had heard this about four or five days ago that the giants in the room are split on Shador Sanders, which would lead me to believe they're not taking a player at number three. They're split on You've been around these teams. A lot of people have said day Balls, Moore, Jackson, Dart, Shaneesmore, Schaedure. How can you be split at this juncture or is this common?

At McShay thirteen does an extraordinary job on this stuff. None taught for a lot of years he was on with us, so recently we're bringing him back as the draft begins in Earnest on Thursday. So I want to start with this. There's and I had heard this about four or five days ago that the giants in the room are split on Shador Sanders, which would lead me to believe they're not taking a player at number three. They're split on You've been around these teams. A lot of people have said day Balls, Moore, Jackson, Dart, Shaneesmore, Schaedure. How can you be split at this juncture or is this common?

Let me ask you this question, Colin, like, there are so few in the league that actually are really really good at developing quarterbacks, working with quarterbacks, and there's a handful of guys who are considered one of like the better offensive minds, right right, And so I don't care if you draft a quarterback even outlasts the head coach. I'm utilizing what his special trade is the reason why we brought him in the as the head coach, what he's been able to do with quarterbacks and offensively. And so if Dable doesn't like a guy, or if he likes a guy, aren't I trusting that opinion over the scouting staff. And like you know, I'm kind of a scout by trade, and I believe in marrying the personnel with the coaching staff. But in this specific instance, I'm going with the coach that believes in the quarterback and wants to work with the quarterback. And so what I'm hearing matches up with exactly what I expected. I've been saying for two weeks now. I can't imagine Brian Dabole is kind of going all chips in on Shador Sanders. Brian Daboles worked with Jalen Hurts at Alabama, Josh Allen and Buffalo. He got the best out of Daniel Jones, a quarterback I never thought should have ever been drafted where he was, but he got the best on him when he was healthy. And so Jackson Dart lines up with what Brian dabells looking for in a quarterback. Sturdier build, mobility, energy on the ball. So I've always said I suspect that Brian Daboll is a Jackson Dark guy, or maybe even Tyler Shuck or maybe developing Jaln Milroe. But I can't imagine, especially in that division, in that weather, that Shador would be the guy that he say we got to have them. And so it doesn't surprise me at all that this information is coming out. The shadoor in Dark thing is fascinating to me. The same principles were applying to Daball apply to Kellen Moore in New Orleans, like he's worked three OC jobs with Dak Prescott, justin Herbert Jalen Hurts. Those guys are more in line with what Jackson Dart is. So I quarterback is not going at three is from everything I can understand, And if what you just pointed out, I think it will be abdul Carter if it goes Ward one Hunter two, So then Shador falls to nine. Everyone's saying for about a week and I would saying it's not New Orleans. It's I don't think it's Shadoor New Orleans at nine, and I don't think it would be Shador to New Orleans at forty. So now it becomes what's the market for Shador, And everyone's pointing to Pittsburgh, and I do have from pretty good sources. Mike Tomlin does like Shador, and there are people in the building that do like Shador. But we thought for a little while, that's the hard floor. That's where he's gonna, you know, worst case, he goes twenty one to Pittsburgh. I was told Sunday night when I landed here in LA by someone I trust that probably is much or more than anyone out out there. That's a softer floor than people think. And it makes sense, like I think Pittsburgh would rather trade back. They gave up the number, the round two pick with DK Metcalf. So now we're in a situation where maybe it's like old old on these quarterbacks and we get into the twenties, and yes, maybe a team like the Giants moved up a little bit for Jackson dart or New Orleans some times to get up ahead of them for Jackson Dart. I don't see the team out there, and no one I've talked to sees the team out there that if Shador gets past twenty one, they're gonna go racing in the first round to go get him.

Let me ask you this question, Colin, like, there are so few in the league that actually are really really good at developing quarterbacks, working with quarterbacks, and there's a handful of guys who are considered one of like the better offensive minds, right right, And so I don't care if you draft a quarterback even outlasts the head coach. I'm utilizing what his special trade is the reason why we brought him in the as the head coach, what he's been able to do with quarterbacks and offensively. And so if Dable doesn't like a guy, or if he likes a guy, aren't I trusting that opinion over the scouting staff. And like you know, I'm kind of a scout by trade, and I believe in marrying the personnel with the coaching staff. But in this specific instance, I'm going with the coach that believes in the quarterback and wants to work with the quarterback. And so what I'm hearing matches up with exactly what I expected. I've been saying for two weeks now. I can't imagine Brian Dabole is kind of going all chips in on Shador Sanders. Brian Daboles worked with Jalen Hurts at Alabama, Josh Allen and Buffalo. He got the best out of Daniel Jones, a quarterback I never thought should have ever been drafted where he was, but he got the best on him when he was healthy. And so Jackson Dart lines up with what Brian dabells looking for in a quarterback. Sturdier build, mobility, energy on the ball. So I've always said I suspect that Brian Daboll is a Jackson Dark guy, or maybe even Tyler Shuck or maybe developing Jaln Milroe. But I can't imagine, especially in that division, in that weather, that Shador would be the guy that he say we got to have them. And so it doesn't surprise me at all that this information is coming out. The shadoor in Dark thing is fascinating to me. The same principles were applying to Daball apply to Kellen Moore in New Orleans, like he's worked three OC jobs with Dak Prescott, justin Herbert Jalen Hurts. Those guys are more in line with what Jackson Dart is. So I quarterback is not going at three is from everything I can understand, And if what you just pointed out, I think it will be abdul Carter if it goes Ward one Hunter two, So then Shador falls to nine. Everyone's saying for about a week and I would saying it's not New Orleans. It's I don't think it's Shadoor New Orleans at nine, and I don't think it would be Shador to New Orleans at forty. So now it becomes what's the market for Shador, And everyone's pointing to Pittsburgh, and I do have from pretty good sources. Mike Tomlin does like Shador, and there are people in the building that do like Shador. But we thought for a little while, that's the hard floor. That's where he's gonna, you know, worst case, he goes twenty one to Pittsburgh. I was told Sunday night when I landed here in LA by someone I trust that probably is much or more than anyone out out there. That's a softer floor than people think. And it makes sense, like I think Pittsburgh would rather trade back. They gave up the number, the round two pick with DK Metcalf. So now we're in a situation where maybe it's like old old on these quarterbacks and we get into the twenties, and yes, maybe a team like the Giants moved up a little bit for Jackson dart or New Orleans some times to get up ahead of them for Jackson Dart. I don't see the team out there, and no one I've talked to sees the team out there that if Shador gets past twenty one, they're gonna go racing in the first round to go get him.

So I'm not saying he won't go in the first round. We found out the night before on Baker Mayfield. We didn't know about Michael Pennix last year.

So I'm not saying he won't go in the first round. We found out the night before on Baker Mayfield. We didn't know about Michael Pennix last year.

There's always one team kind of lurking, and so can he go in the first round if it's not Pittsburgh.

There's always one team kind of lurking, and so can he go in the first round if it's not Pittsburgh.

Absolutely, But I don't have.

Absolutely, But I don't have.

A team where I'm like, they're gonna come and be the parachute for Shador Sanders.

A team where I'm like, they're gonna come and be the parachute for Shador Sanders.

So we have heard and almost everybody's told me this, it's a remarkable running back draft. So let's do some comps on this. If I say, Travian Henderson Ohio State, who does he remind you of? Or Omarion Hampton at Carolina who do they remind you of? Give me a calm because you've said before, and I've heard this from multiple people in the league, it's like, this is a this is a running back draft. There are guys ranked fifteenth to eighteenth that may play early and be like regular starting backs in this league. It's that good of a running back draft. Take Trevon Henderson into Ohio State. I liked him. I thought he was really good. Does he remind you of anybody?

So we have heard and almost everybody's told me this, it's a remarkable running back draft. So let's do some comps on this. If I say, Travian Henderson Ohio State, who does he remind you of? Or Omarion Hampton at Carolina who do they remind you of? Give me a calm because you've said before, and I've heard this from multiple people in the league, it's like, this is a this is a running back draft. There are guys ranked fifteenth to eighteenth that may play early and be like regular starting backs in this league. It's that good of a running back draft. Take Trevon Henderson into Ohio State. I liked him. I thought he was really good. Does he remind you of anybody?

I think Jamiir Gibbs is an accurate an accurate assessment if you're trying to do like shades of or comparison, because and I'll tell you this, and I said this at the Senior Ball talking to people, and that's when people are just talking ball and they're not now trying to give out information for specific reasons. There was some late first love in Mobile he wasn't there, but just talking to people on the field and Senior Bowl and.

I think Jamiir Gibbs is an accurate an accurate assessment if you're trying to do like shades of or comparison, because and I'll tell you this, and I said this at the Senior Ball talking to people, and that's when people are just talking ball and they're not now trying to give out information for specific reasons. There was some late first love in Mobile he wasn't there, but just talking to people on the field and Senior Bowl and.

Kind of people just.

Kind of people just.

Talking then and now as we get closer, it was okay, it's going to be it's going to be aston Gent in the top ten.

Talking then and now as we get closer, it was okay, it's going to be it's going to be aston Gent in the top ten.

We'll get to that in a minute, by the way, and then it's.

We'll get to that in a minute, by the way, and then it's.

Going to be Omari and Hampton. Maybe he goes shortly thereafter. Worst case he goes twenty to Denver. I'm starting to get the sense, and in part because this class is so good at running back and it's so deep that the running backs could fall a little bit. And I'm also getting a sense that it won't be shocking if Trevon Henderson goes before Omari and Hampton, and so it's just something to keep an eye on that. There are some teams in the twenties that I know of that have a lot higher grades on Trevon Henderson than people would like to think. Now, will they take a running back in the late first when there's the end of the offensive tackle, run is going to be there, the end of the edge class run is going to be there. So that'll be interesting to see. But don't be shocked if Henderson goes before Hampton. And also don't be surprised if we don't have Remember twenty seventeen, Collin right with that great running back class, Thirty running backs were drafted, one of the best classes ever. It started with Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey. Alvin Kamara was in that class, but there were only five running backs taken in the first eighty five because everyone in the league knew we can target our guy and different flavors on Day two, on Day three and Saturday, and so we saw a couple more go but from pick one oh five to the end of the draft, there were twenty three running backs selected.

Going to be Omari and Hampton. Maybe he goes shortly thereafter. Worst case he goes twenty to Denver. I'm starting to get the sense, and in part because this class is so good at running back and it's so deep that the running backs could fall a little bit. And I'm also getting a sense that it won't be shocking if Trevon Henderson goes before Omari and Hampton, and so it's just something to keep an eye on that. There are some teams in the twenties that I know of that have a lot higher grades on Trevon Henderson than people would like to think. Now, will they take a running back in the late first when there's the end of the offensive tackle, run is going to be there, the end of the edge class run is going to be there. So that'll be interesting to see. But don't be shocked if Henderson goes before Hampton. And also don't be surprised if we don't have Remember twenty seventeen, Collin right with that great running back class, Thirty running backs were drafted, one of the best classes ever. It started with Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey. Alvin Kamara was in that class, but there were only five running backs taken in the first eighty five because everyone in the league knew we can target our guy and different flavors on Day two, on Day three and Saturday, and so we saw a couple more go but from pick one oh five to the end of the draft, there were twenty three running backs selected.

I think this class could be a little bit more like that.

I think this class could be a little bit more like that.

So it's interesting. There's always a player. So the first round's over and then everybody goes out, has a has a cold beer, and they go to the lobby of the hot hell they talk, and all of a sudden there's one player, like a Mecca Muca of Ohio State that didn't go and whoever's got that first pick in the second round. Everybody's like, because I think that kid I have taught, Nobody I've talked to doesn't love him, don't. I mean if he can do he can do sideline, more of a slot, runs, the right routes, work. You can see the work on the field. So I have this feeling that he's going to escape the first round and all of a sudden there's going to be people that move. Everybody's saying it's a move down draft. I could see people moving up if he's not drafted in the first round. So my question is is he a first round or to you or very top of the second? Because everybody likes.

So it's interesting. There's always a player. So the first round's over and then everybody goes out, has a has a cold beer, and they go to the lobby of the hot hell they talk, and all of a sudden there's one player, like a Mecca Muca of Ohio State that didn't go and whoever's got that first pick in the second round. Everybody's like, because I think that kid I have taught, Nobody I've talked to doesn't love him, don't. I mean if he can do he can do sideline, more of a slot, runs, the right routes, work. You can see the work on the field. So I have this feeling that he's going to escape the first round and all of a sudden there's going to be people that move. Everybody's saying it's a move down draft. I could see people moving up if he's not drafted in the first round. So my question is is he a first round or to you or very top of the second? Because everybody likes.

Him, I agree, if he's sitting there top of the second, he's the guy that you do move up.

Him, I agree, if he's sitting there top of the second, he's the guy that you do move up.

For and it was interesting. I was at I was at Ohio State for.

For and it was interesting. I was at I was at Ohio State for.

The pro day, and it was like it was Nick Bose's year. There were some stars at receiver and Haskins was a quarterback. So I was sent out by the network to go cover these these star players. Everyone I talked to in the inside the building, coaches, people that worked in the staff there, equipment managers like, hey, this Terry McLaurin guy. You have no idea how important he was to this team. And he wound up going what third round?

The pro day, and it was like it was Nick Bose's year. There were some stars at receiver and Haskins was a quarterback. So I was sent out by the network to go cover these these star players. Everyone I talked to in the inside the building, coaches, people that worked in the staff there, equipment managers like, hey, this Terry McLaurin guy. You have no idea how important he was to this team. And he wound up going what third round?

I think it was. Mek is kind of the same.

I think it was. Mek is kind of the same.

It's like you watch him on Take Colin and it's not this I made this ridiculous like comparison.

It's like you watch him on Take Colin and it's not this I made this ridiculous like comparison.

Right.

Right.

It's not like when you go out to a nightclub or a lounge or somewhere and you see this beautiful woman and she jumps up like there's no special trait with a mecca. But it's like the friend group you have and there's this one, this one girl or guy that is like always there, trustworthy, makes you laugh a lot, and.

It's not like when you go out to a nightclub or a lounge or somewhere and you see this beautiful woman and she jumps up like there's no special trait with a mecca. But it's like the friend group you have and there's this one, this one girl or guy that is like always there, trustworthy, makes you laugh a lot, and.

Then over time, over time you're like, I just I like how I I like who I am when I'm around him. Yeah, I like I trust this person that's a mecca. You trust him implicitly. He's a force multiplayer in your locker room. You know what, You're gonna get eighty ninety catches out of him. It may not be eighteen yards per catch, but it's going to be like eleven or twelve. We're gonna get first downs. He's going to be a best friend to a quarterback in the league. I don't think he gets out of the first round, but if he does, I'm with you. I think I think teams would be like, let's make a call overnight, let's grab it.

Then over time, over time you're like, I just I like how I I like who I am when I'm around him. Yeah, I like I trust this person that's a mecca. You trust him implicitly. He's a force multiplayer in your locker room. You know what, You're gonna get eighty ninety catches out of him. It may not be eighteen yards per catch, but it's going to be like eleven or twelve. We're gonna get first downs. He's going to be a best friend to a quarterback in the league. I don't think he gets out of the first round, but if he does, I'm with you. I think I think teams would be like, let's make a call overnight, let's grab it.

I checked him this hotel.

I checked him this hotel.

By the way, and the first thing I saw, there's a tap in this hotel. It's it's the herd pills pills there, so they'll they'll grab a herd pills there, right.

By the way, and the first thing I saw, there's a tap in this hotel. It's it's the herd pills pills there, so they'll they'll grab a herd pills there, right.

Could you believe me?

Could you believe me?

I walk in here, I go my I got all my stuff, and I see that the herd kills and they're tapping here.

I walk in here, I go my I got all my stuff, and I see that the herd kills and they're tapping here.

So I had to get that on.

So I had to get that on.

That hotel's got good taste. Okay.

That hotel's got good taste. Okay.

I want to end with that.

I want to end with that.

Abdul Carter he's been advised to get surgery. He doesn't want to get surgery. Drew Rosenhouse very persuasive, but that's that worries me. Like, I know he's talented. I watched him play six times this year? Is that a deal break? Here? Is that weird where he's got an injury. Everybody's saying, bro, get surgery. He's like, I want to get surgery. What do you make of that story?

Abdul Carter he's been advised to get surgery. He doesn't want to get surgery. Drew Rosenhouse very persuasive, but that's that worries me. Like, I know he's talented. I watched him play six times this year? Is that a deal break? Here? Is that weird where he's got an injury. Everybody's saying, bro, get surgery. He's like, I want to get surgery. What do you make of that story?

I've talked to teams in the league and they're not overly worried about it, and it's kind of been left at that, so I, you know, and I've talked to him, like they've set their board. One team I talked to today, they're doing their final. They they've got their psychologists coming in, their doctors coming in. So like, different teams are in different parts of the process. But ultimately I haven't gotten any word from a single time team where it's like, yeah, that's that's something that we would shy away from.

I've talked to teams in the league and they're not overly worried about it, and it's kind of been left at that, so I, you know, and I've talked to him, like they've set their board. One team I talked to today, they're doing their final. They they've got their psychologists coming in, their doctors coming in. So like, different teams are in different parts of the process. But ultimately I haven't gotten any word from a single time team where it's like, yeah, that's that's something that we would shy away from.

Right, So.

Right, So.

Let me before we jump off, I just want to get to this. This to me on Thursday night is going to be fascinating.

Let me before we jump off, I just want to get to this. This to me on Thursday night is going to be fascinating.

Okay.

Okay.

I think Abdul does go three to the Giants.

I think Abdul does go three to the Giants.

I think Will Campbell does go four to the New England Patriots. I think this is a class where everyone I've talked to lines up with a lot of my grades. There's no offensive The offensive tackle would have been the fifth fifth best tackle last year. The wide receiver would have been the fifth best wide receiver last year. Okay, but we're going to see those positions bumped up because specific teams have specific needs, like the Patriots at left tackle with Will Campbell. I'm hearing now, Jacksonville, think back to Trevor Lawrence and Justin Ross and t Higgins, those sixty four receivers, four thousand yards in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, forty two touchdown catches.

I think Will Campbell does go four to the New England Patriots. I think this is a class where everyone I've talked to lines up with a lot of my grades. There's no offensive The offensive tackle would have been the fifth fifth best tackle last year. The wide receiver would have been the fifth best wide receiver last year. Okay, but we're going to see those positions bumped up because specific teams have specific needs, like the Patriots at left tackle with Will Campbell. I'm hearing now, Jacksonville, think back to Trevor Lawrence and Justin Ross and t Higgins, those sixty four receivers, four thousand yards in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, forty two touchdown catches.

That's when he was at his best.

That's when he was at his best.

There's this six to four wide receiver out of Arizona called named Tetero and McMillan, and I don't have him rated that high, but maybe he's the pick at five and then six. Everyone said Ashton genty to the Raiders. I'm hearing it's armand Membu the offensive tackle or maybe an edge.

There's this six to four wide receiver out of Arizona called named Tetero and McMillan, and I don't have him rated that high, but maybe he's the pick at five and then six. Everyone said Ashton genty to the Raiders. I'm hearing it's armand Membu the offensive tackle or maybe an edge.

So we could have a group because.

So we could have a group because.

Of picks four, five and six and specific needs at tackle and wide receiver that are there.

Of picks four, five and six and specific needs at tackle and wide receiver that are there.

All of a sudden, we get to seven and the Jets we got Carolina at eight, we got New Orleans at nine.

All of a sudden, we get to seven and the Jets we got Carolina at eight, we got New Orleans at nine.

The Bears at ten, and they could have a situation where these edge rushers are still on the board. Jalen Walker included, we could have Ashton Genty falling to the Chicago Bears at ten, Tyler Warren and Colston Loblin. I've talked to so many teams in the league. They all have him in the top nine or ten players on their board. All of these and Mason Graham defensive tackle. So picks four and five are going to set the tone for this draft, and the teams drafting after two and through Chicago could be looking at players that they had rated three, four, five on their board that are still sitting there.

The Bears at ten, and they could have a situation where these edge rushers are still on the board. Jalen Walker included, we could have Ashton Genty falling to the Chicago Bears at ten, Tyler Warren and Colston Loblin. I've talked to so many teams in the league. They all have him in the top nine or ten players on their board. All of these and Mason Graham defensive tackle. So picks four and five are going to set the tone for this draft, and the teams drafting after two and through Chicago could be looking at players that they had rated three, four, five on their board that are still sitting there.

I can't wait. Todd mcshae, the Todd mcshae, the ringer.

I can't wait. Todd mcshae, the Todd mcshae, the ringer.

Good see anybody, good seeing you.

Good see anybody, good seeing you.

But yeah, it's the you know, it's so funny that Hampton and Ashton Genty are getting so much publicity that people are overlooking. Uh Trevon Henderson at Ohio State, who's a stud And if you looked up and said, oh, yeah, he made like four Pro Bowls, you'd be like, yeah, yeah, I mean he is a he is a burner. I mean he is big time When that guy gets like a second step. It's like by so I don't know, it's just he's one of these classic guys. Is because Genty is such an interesting player five and eight and a half out of Boise State. There's everybody's gloming onto him. He's a very good player. I think we're forgetting Henderson at Ohio State.

But yeah, it's the you know, it's so funny that Hampton and Ashton Genty are getting so much publicity that people are overlooking. Uh Trevon Henderson at Ohio State, who's a stud And if you looked up and said, oh, yeah, he made like four Pro Bowls, you'd be like, yeah, yeah, I mean he is a he is a burner. I mean he is big time When that guy gets like a second step. It's like by so I don't know, it's just he's one of these classic guys. Is because Genty is such an interesting player five and eight and a half out of Boise State. There's everybody's gloming onto him. He's a very good player. I think we're forgetting Henderson at Ohio State.

But can I push back on Henderson for a quick second. He was on a loaded teeth.

But can I push back on Henderson for a quick second. He was on a loaded teeth.

But.

But.

Who are incredible?

Who are incredible?

But they did not have a great offense at long It.

But they did not have a great offense at long It.

Was good in the playoff, it was dominant. I mean, listen, I like Henderson a lot. I had him in first round in some mock drafts and some BeO more like listen, he's more of a second but he's great value is the second round, right like you put him on the rams, he will be.

Was good in the playoff, it was dominant. I mean, listen, I like Henderson a lot. I had him in first round in some mock drafts and some BeO more like listen, he's more of a second but he's great value is the second round, right like you put him on the rams, he will be.

Well, I don't have a second round pick, but he is. There's two guys from Ohio State. This look like keep asking about it. Yeah, the other guy too, who uh the receiver and Henderson. If they're not taken in the first round, they have to be the first and second guy taken in the second round. Those guys are start day one, you know.

Well, I don't have a second round pick, but he is. There's two guys from Ohio State. This look like keep asking about it. Yeah, the other guy too, who uh the receiver and Henderson. If they're not taken in the first round, they have to be the first and second guy taken in the second round. Those guys are start day one, you know.

But a lot of this colent.

But a lot of this colent.

We talked about Deavante Adams earlier, right awesome in Green Bay.

We talked about Deavante Adams earlier, right awesome in Green Bay.

Goes to the.

Goes to the.

Raiders, puts up numbers, they didn't win anything. Goes to the Jets numbers, they didn't win anything. But gotta be on a good team with a good coach.

Raiders, puts up numbers, they didn't win anything. Goes to the Jets numbers, they didn't win anything. But gotta be on a good team with a good coach.

Well that's the other thing. Davante was expensive. These guys second round free. So when you get Davonte, okay, well then there's people I can't get because of the salary. I'm just telling you, if those two Ohio State guys do not go in the first round, you can't tell me it's a bad draft. Those are Day one exceptional starters. Those are really good college players.

Well that's the other thing. Davante was expensive. These guys second round free. So when you get Davonte, okay, well then there's people I can't get because of the salary. I'm just telling you, if those two Ohio State guys do not go in the first round, you can't tell me it's a bad draft. Those are Day one exceptional starters. Those are really good college players.

What about your boy Will Howard or no Riley Leonard? Who any chatter on those two?

What about your boy Will Howard or no Riley Leonard? Who any chatter on those two?

A lot of people don't have my ability to see the future. He'll he'll go.

A lot of people don't have my ability to see the future. He'll he'll go.

I saw the funniest stat on the Louisville quarterback what's his name, Shook Tyler.

I saw the funniest stat on the Louisville quarterback what's his name, Shook Tyler.

Something everybody tells me, dude, he is literally twenty seven years old. He was older than Trevor Lawrence to that.

Something everybody tells me, dude, he is literally twenty seven years old. He was older than Trevor Lawrence to that.

So he played in college for seven years. He started for one season, that's it.

So he played in college for seven years. He started for one season, that's it.

Now.

Now.

He had a lot of starts, like spoty starts, guys.

He had a lot of starts, like spoty starts, guys.

I said this, dude, when you go to college. Remember when you went to college and your freshman year, you're in the dorm and there's the resident the R. Yeah, Resident Resident Advisor.

I said this, dude, when you go to college. Remember when you went to college and your freshman year, you're in the dorm and there's the resident the R. Yeah, Resident Resident Advisor.

The RA.

The RA.

And he's the one guy with a beard and he drinks like expensive beer, like and he's got like the nicest car. And you're like, that guy's a winner. No, he's just older than everybody. He's just the old guy that you're like, Man, he's drinking like he's not drinking. Milwaukee's back a.

And he's the one guy with a beard and he drinks like expensive beer, like and he's got like the nicest car. And you're like, that guy's a winner. No, he's just older than everybody. He's just the old guy that you're like, Man, he's drinking like he's not drinking. Milwaukee's back a.

Beast for that guy.

Beast for that guy.

Yeah, he's twenty seven in your nineteen, right, he had a bit of an edge. So I would say that quarterback is the r of the drive that I like.

Yeah, he's twenty seven in your nineteen, right, he had a bit of an edge. So I would say that quarterback is the r of the drive that I like.

Okay, that's good.

Okay, that's good.

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All right, Let's start with my guy, Jason Tatum and the Celtics. They had a nice game one win over the Magic. Interestingly, our guy Eddie House nobody by the way watches this show in textan me during it. Like Eddie House, he is a big watcher of the Herd. He had a hot take here on Jason Tatum. I don't know if you're gonna like it. Tatum was not among the top three MVP finalists, and Eddie House is angry.

All right, Let's start with my guy, Jason Tatum and the Celtics. They had a nice game one win over the Magic. Interestingly, our guy Eddie House nobody by the way watches this show in textan me during it. Like Eddie House, he is a big watcher of the Herd. He had a hot take here on Jason Tatum. I don't know if you're gonna like it. Tatum was not among the top three MVP finalists, and Eddie House is angry.

Most disrespected superstar in the league, most disrespected All NBA first team player in the league.

Most disrespected superstar in the league, most disrespected All NBA first team player in the league.

It was a three straight years that he's been All NBA.

It was a three straight years that he's been All NBA.

He's disrespected, and that's okay because sometimes that's fuel for the fire and for the greater good of what the Boston Celtics are doing. I think it turn is turning him into a monster, you know, and eventually he's gonna get that MVP.

He's disrespected, and that's okay because sometimes that's fuel for the fire and for the greater good of what the Boston Celtics are doing. I think it turn is turning him into a monster, you know, and eventually he's gonna get that MVP.

Well, yeah, I mean he's a great he's a great player. I only push back on one thing. He's not the face of the league. That's the only thing I've ever pushed back.

Well, yeah, I mean he's a great he's a great player. I only push back on one thing. He's not the face of the league. That's the only thing I've ever pushed back.

Should he have finished top three MVP because it's Sga, Jokis and Yannis who all had no great seasons.

Should he have finished top three MVP because it's Sga, Jokis and Yannis who all had no great seasons.

Yeah, but I would take Jason Tatum if you told me today. Yanis are Jason Tatum. I don't trust Yannest with two and a half minutes to go in the playoff game. Dude, I don't trust him. He had it no jumper in his game. None, he's got no jumper.

Yeah, but I would take Jason Tatum if you told me today. Yanis are Jason Tatum. I don't trust Yannest with two and a half minutes to go in the playoff game. Dude, I don't trust him. He had it no jumper in his game. None, he's got no jumper.

He'll get to the.

He'll get to the.

Rim and then it's great.

Rim and then it's great.

No.

No.

By the way, physically he's had injuries. Tatum hasn't. Tatum does everything well, including Leyden games, hit, free throw.

By the way, physically he's had injuries. Tatum hasn't. Tatum does everything well, including Leyden games, hit, free throw.

I love Tatum, you know that. I just don't think there's a case here for him to be top three MVP Yiannis the season. When you look at the numbers, no, they're like historically great form EMPP.

I love Tatum, you know that. I just don't think there's a case here for him to be top three MVP Yiannis the season. When you look at the numbers, no, they're like historically great form EMPP.

He's gonna finish third.

He's gonna finish third.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

Do you watch that first in the play Yeah, I had like forty and twenty ridiculous numbers. His teammates stunk up the joint. Now he gets Dame back tonight or whatever. Game two is, I uh.

Do you watch that first in the play Yeah, I had like forty and twenty ridiculous numbers. His teammates stunk up the joint. Now he gets Dame back tonight or whatever. Game two is, I uh.

Stay away game zigzag, stay away?

Stay away game zigzag, stay away?

Yeah, look at you? All right, I'm not I'm not.

Yeah, look at you? All right, I'm not I'm not.

I will say this about Jason Tatum. How about this. If you said all things considered, salary, age, temperament, everything, who would you start your franchise with today? Now A lot of people would say Wemby, sure, okay, and then Luca Well, I would go Jokic to how about this SGA or Jason Tatum tough call?

I will say this about Jason Tatum. How about this. If you said all things considered, salary, age, temperament, everything, who would you start your franchise with today? Now A lot of people would say Wemby, sure, okay, and then Luca Well, I would go Jokic to how about this SGA or Jason Tatum tough call?

I don't think so. You know where I'm going on this? Where you going Tatum? It's it's a it's a really good he had an amazing season.

I don't think so. You know where I'm going on this? Where you going Tatum? It's it's a it's a really good he had an amazing season.

No, I like.

No, I like.

What I'm saying is, if you started your franchise today, I think everybody would say Wemby Jokic. I think a lot of people would say Aunt number three. He's on him, probably Ant. I know it's closed, but Aunt made more threes than anybody, and Aunt is rising. He's not in his peak yet. I feel like I'm in the middle of table.

What I'm saying is, if you started your franchise today, I think everybody would say Wemby Jokic. I think a lot of people would say Aunt number three. He's on him, probably Ant. I know it's closed, but Aunt made more threes than anybody, and Aunt is rising. He's not in his peak yet. I feel like I'm in the middle of table.

Could guard four positions, he could guard point guards, long off.

Could guard four positions, he could guard point guards, long off.

I'm a Tatum guy. I like and a lot, but I go Tatum over over, and so I.

I'm a Tatum guy. I like and a lot, but I go Tatum over over, and so I.

Would say Aunt three, and then I would get into the s j Ork.

Would say Aunt three, and then I would get into the s j Ork.

You should rank the best American NBA players that that would be a good list for you, because it sounds like you think Aunt might be at right now number one.

You should rank the best American NBA players that that would be a good list for you, because it sounds like you think Aunt might be at right now number one.

Lebron a kid, I would say, that's tough.

Lebron a kid, I would say, that's tough.

I would say because Americannadian, I'm so best American player.

I would say because Americannadian, I'm so best American player.

S Ja's Canadian. Yeah, best American player. Let me think about this for a second.

S Ja's Canadian. Yeah, best American player. Let me think about this for a second.

So let me give you the names. Tatum is up there, Lebron is up there.

So let me give you the names. Tatum is up there, Lebron is up there.

I'm not doing Lebron.

I'm not doing Lebron.

He's okay, Anthony Edwards, Jah Morant, No Cave Cunningham.

He's okay, Anthony Edwards, Jah Morant, No Cave Cunningham.

Jamer Okay, Okay, I would go it is a coin flip. I'd go Ant because I do believe there's even another small level to his game. Aunt one Tatum to Kawhi Leonard again, you got to play more than thirty seven games. Lebron's too old. No, I mean this is an issue with the NBA. It's gotten very international top.

Jamer Okay, Okay, I would go it is a coin flip. I'd go Ant because I do believe there's even another small level to his game. Aunt one Tatum to Kawhi Leonard again, you got to play more than thirty seven games. Lebron's too old. No, I mean this is an issue with the NBA. It's gotten very international top.

I don't think that's an issue.

I don't think that's an issue.

Well, it isn't for us, but it is. Listen, it stadders when you go play at Duke Carolina Yukon and we don't.

Well, it isn't for us, but it is. Listen, it stadders when you go play at Duke Carolina Yukon and we don't.

He's going to be on this line, that's right.

He's going to be on this line, that's right.

Why because he went to Duke Yeah, okay, and he's awesome. So I would say Aunt one Tatum won a Who's three? It's it's not easy.

Why because he went to Duke Yeah, okay, and he's awesome. So I would say Aunt one Tatum won a Who's three? It's it's not easy.

Yeah, I need some more time.

Yeah, I need some more time.

Who is on top? Who is number three? Domestic player? It's it's first.

Who is on top? Who is number three? Domestic player? It's it's first.

I mean listen, I can't even do Jamal Murray. He's he from Canada. He was on the Canadian national team.

I mean listen, I can't even do Jamal Murray. He's he from Canada. He was on the Canadian national team.

I'll throw one at you.

I'll throw one at you.

Don't say Paul George, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, they they You've not given me a thirty nine year old.

Don't say Paul George, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, they they You've not given me a thirty nine year old.

I like d book I like him. John he's in contented for three, Steph Steph Curry.

I like d book I like him. John he's in contented for three, Steph Steph Curry.

How about here's another one.

How about here's another one.

I know he's thirty seven, mixto.

I know he's thirty seven, mixto.

Here's another one. Jalen Brown's four or five.

Here's another one. Jalen Brown's four or five.

No, Curry's a Bucksaylor Brown. Come on, are you doubting Curry?

No, Curry's a Bucksaylor Brown. Come on, are you doubting Curry?

No?

No?

I love Curry, but you're literally going it's not like you're reading in nineteen eighty eight sports illustration. I'm joking. I'm just I'm thinking of all the young guys, and I would go Aunt Tatum Booker. I guess I shouldn't eliminate Staph and those guys I should.

I love Curry, but you're literally going it's not like you're reading in nineteen eighty eight sports illustration. I'm joking. I'm just I'm thinking of all the young guys, and I would go Aunt Tatum Booker. I guess I shouldn't eliminate Staph and those guys I should.

Yeah, I love them, and Thompson the way goofball.

Yeah, I love them, and Thompson the way goofball.

Donovan Mitchell, he's up there, he's gotta bean, he's above Jaylen Brown. Yes, yes, yes, No, Donovan Mitchell's top two or three, he's three. Aunt Tatum, Donovan Mitchell. All right, I apologize to that spot. It's great.

Donovan Mitchell, he's up there, he's gotta bean, he's above Jaylen Brown. Yes, yes, yes, No, Donovan Mitchell's top two or three, he's three. Aunt Tatum, Donovan Mitchell. All right, I apologize to that spot. It's great.

Yeah, well, let's yeah, okay, let's move on to the Browns and GM Andrew Berry said last week that Jalen Milroe may be the only quarterback that's faster than Lamar Jackson when he gets to the NFL.

Yeah, well, let's yeah, okay, let's move on to the Browns and GM Andrew Berry said last week that Jalen Milroe may be the only quarterback that's faster than Lamar Jackson when he gets to the NFL.

How about this one, This will surprise you.

How about this one, This will surprise you.

Tom Pelasorrow said that Milroe is, according to coaches and scouts, the greatest runner of the football they've ever seen at the position.

Tom Pelasorrow said that Milroe is, according to coaches and scouts, the greatest runner of the football they've ever seen at the position.

Oh no, I was told that. I was talking to Steve Kime about that a month ago, and now Steve Kaime and Clutch Sports represent him. But Steve said on tape, he goes, that's the best I've ever seen at quarterback.

Oh no, I was told that. I was talking to Steve Kime about that a month ago, and now Steve Kaime and Clutch Sports represent him. But Steve said on tape, he goes, that's the best I've ever seen at quarterback.

Listen, I love Milroe. You know I'm high on him.

Listen, I love Milroe. You know I'm high on him.

I would take him in the first There's nobody that could convince me that he's a better runner than Michael Vick was at Virginia till Michael Vick was unbelieved.

I would take him in the first There's nobody that could convince me that he's a better runner than Michael Vick was at Virginia till Michael Vick was unbelieved.

I would argue Lamar's faster than Michael.

I would argue Lamar's faster than Michael.

Yeah, may according to Foody Time, But do you remember.

Yeah, may according to Foody Time, But do you remember.

Michael Victims show vic highlights go on YouTube.

Michael Victims show vic highlights go on YouTube.

Michael Vick is otherworldly. I'm that guy, was his Listen, You're.

Michael Vick is otherworldly. I'm that guy, was his Listen, You're.

Not going to get me to say a bad word about Lamar. Mike. Lamar Jackson and I love the VIC but I've never seen anything in my life like Lamar Jack anything.

Not going to get me to say a bad word about Lamar. Mike. Lamar Jackson and I love the VIC but I've never seen anything in my life like Lamar Jack anything.

I mean, you're.

I mean, you're.

Splitting hairs here, but it's yeah, well.

Splitting hairs here, but it's yeah, well.

Milon Roll may have Milroll maybe better than Lamar's straight line speed, but Lamar's craft.

Milon Roll may have Milroll maybe better than Lamar's straight line speed, but Lamar's craft.

Yeah, he's like that. The final story is the Vikings Colin. They made the decision to move off Sam Darnold. JJ McCarthy's their guy. Well, apparently he's working his way back in preparation for voluntary workouts, which kicked off yesterday.

Yeah, he's like that. The final story is the Vikings Colin. They made the decision to move off Sam Darnold. JJ McCarthy's their guy. Well, apparently he's working his way back in preparation for voluntary workouts, which kicked off yesterday.

Here's Kevin O'Connell on his QB one.

Here's Kevin O'Connell on his QB one.

We might not be talking in the same lens that we did a year ago when everything was brand new. That's the beauty of the year we've had with him, albeit without the physical reps since the injury, but there's been a lot of time on task and just once again, I want to credit JJ for how he's handled really these last two two and a half three months or so, where I think he's ready to hit the ground running as of today.

We might not be talking in the same lens that we did a year ago when everything was brand new. That's the beauty of the year we've had with him, albeit without the physical reps since the injury, but there's been a lot of time on task and just once again, I want to credit JJ for how he's handled really these last two two and a half three months or so, where I think he's ready to hit the ground running as of today.

So last year you had the Denver Broncos is your team of destiny?

So last year you had the Denver Broncos is your team of destiny?

That was your team.

That was your team.

I've had to be fair, I've had about four of those in a Row all.

I've had to be fair, I've had about four of those in a Row all.

Right, patch yourself on the back more. I'm gonna make the Vikings my team next year after the Jets.

Right, patch yourself on the back more. I'm gonna make the Vikings my team next year after the Jets.

I do believe.

I do believe.

I'm a buyer.

I'm a buyer.

JJ McCarthy, Chicago's going to be way better than the Vikings. No, no, no, no, no, Chicago is a team. Coach O line, Chicago's gonna win the game.

JJ McCarthy, Chicago's going to be way better than the Vikings. No, no, no, no, no, Chicago is a team. Coach O line, Chicago's gonna win the game.

Vikings win fourteen last year. Don't act like Sam Darnold.

Vikings win fourteen last year. Don't act like Sam Darnold.

I thought you said they're going to be better next year.

I thought you said they're going to be better next year.

Better.

Better.

They're gonna be the team that I think has a sneaky run to like the NFC championship. Minnesota love their offseason. Let's see what they do in the range. Like you, carolinea two years well you met so you were out. You were fishing in the Caribbean. But Aaron Jones, the former Packers running backs in the Vikings and during the commercial he was telling me some stuff about McCarthy.

They're gonna be the team that I think has a sneaky run to like the NFC championship. Minnesota love their offseason. Let's see what they do in the range. Like you, carolinea two years well you met so you were out. You were fishing in the Caribbean. But Aaron Jones, the former Packers running backs in the Vikings and during the commercial he was telling me some stuff about McCarthy.

I'm all in on JJ McCarthy. Aaron Jones was hiker fourteen games.

I'm all in on JJ McCarthy. Aaron Jones was hiker fourteen games.

You think they're going to be better, Well that is maybe what they gonna go seventy dollars.

You think they're going to be better, Well that is maybe what they gonna go seventy dollars.

I don't maybe not on the on the score.

I don't maybe not on the on the score.

Jordan Love's not gonna get hurt again, Chicago's going to be notably and Aiden Hutchinson's back for the line.

Jordan Love's not gonna get hurt again, Chicago's going to be notably and Aiden Hutchinson's back for the line.

Terrified.

Terrified.

I have Vikings winning nine.

I have Vikings winning nine.

Vikings win the division.

Vikings win the division.

Oh yeah, Oh, I would bet you that you was gonna say a million dollars.

Oh yeah, Oh, I would bet you that you was gonna say a million dollars.

Well, I don't have a million dollars. You might, mister elite whatever, mister.

Well, I don't have a million dollars. You might, mister elite whatever, mister.

Sitting next to the Kardashians tonight, I'm the elitist. I'm out there upper deck with a bud light. Whatever are you done?

Sitting next to the Kardashians tonight, I'm the elitist. I'm out there upper deck with a bud light. Whatever are you done?

Yes?

Yes?

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I'll be Mayn't you make a sign? Can you take a sign? NBA doesn't let you tonight. Hey j Mac, let us all see where's something bright orange or something that right?

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Enough of me, let's get back to you, Cavi R Cowherd.

Enough of me, let's get back to you, Cavi R Cowherd.

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All Right, good show today, Nick Right, Todd McShay, Croshed. We appreciate that we had Nick on. You know, Nick as a Lebron loyalist, and there's nothing wrong with that. I do think eight days off and facing a hungry, well coached underdog U is not as easy as it thinks. We all probably should have seen that coming. The Lakers just played with no physicality until it was way too late. And here's Nick on a down a one heading into Game two for LA tonight.

All Right, good show today, Nick Right, Todd McShay, Croshed. We appreciate that we had Nick on. You know, Nick as a Lebron loyalist, and there's nothing wrong with that. I do think eight days off and facing a hungry, well coached underdog U is not as easy as it thinks. We all probably should have seen that coming. The Lakers just played with no physicality until it was way too late. And here's Nick on a down a one heading into Game two for LA tonight.

The Timberwolves over the last few years are in the regular season, I think twenty one to three when Anthony Edwards has eight or more assists, and the three losses they scored a ton of points, they just couldn't get stops. They are at their best when ant is playmaking. I thought the Lakers approach would be and I think it should be ant. You're gonna be single guarded and if you score forty, we'll deal with it. Basically what the Timberwolves did to Luca. The Timberwolves said, Luca, if you get forty, so be it. You're not gonna get ten assists. The Lakers had the opposite approach. I think that's a mistake.

The Timberwolves over the last few years are in the regular season, I think twenty one to three when Anthony Edwards has eight or more assists, and the three losses they scored a ton of points, they just couldn't get stops. They are at their best when ant is playmaking. I thought the Lakers approach would be and I think it should be ant. You're gonna be single guarded and if you score forty, we'll deal with it. Basically what the Timberwolves did to Luca. The Timberwolves said, Luca, if you get forty, so be it. You're not gonna get ten assists. The Lakers had the opposite approach. I think that's a mistake.

Yeah, Oddsmakers have the Lakers favored by five and a half, which feels big the way they were pushed around in Game one. So that is the classic zigzag theory is something like Milwaukee was boat raced by the pace. Now I think I think Indiana's got better players, so that one's different. I think the Lakers have better offensive talent. So that's a fascinating story. We were thinking during the break about domestic players. It's not as though there's not a lot of them. Ant one, Tatum to Donovan, Mitchell, three, Booker four, Halliburton's got to be up there somewhere, tremendous.

Yeah, Oddsmakers have the Lakers favored by five and a half, which feels big the way they were pushed around in Game one. So that is the classic zigzag theory is something like Milwaukee was boat raced by the pace. Now I think I think Indiana's got better players, so that one's different. I think the Lakers have better offensive talent. So that's a fascinating story. We were thinking during the break about domestic players. It's not as though there's not a lot of them. Ant one, Tatum to Donovan, Mitchell, three, Booker four, Halliburton's got to be up there somewhere, tremendous.

Obviously, John Morant Warren's consideration. Zion Williamson is in the discussion. I don't know if he cracks top ten. Carol Oh, Paulo Bankara, I think definitely's got.

Obviously, John Morant Warren's consideration. Zion Williamson is in the discussion. I don't know if he cracks top ten. Carol Oh, Paulo Bankara, I think definitely's got.

To be like nine or ten. What about Lamello ball.

To be like nine or ten. What about Lamello ball.

No, no, a lot of highlights. No thanks, Paulo boncarl Is.

No, no, a lot of highlights. No thanks, Paulo boncarl Is.

He's very good.

He's very good.

Yeah, he's gonna beaten by next year. What does he average? Twenty four a game, twenty three a game.

Yeah, he's gonna beaten by next year. What does he average? Twenty four a game, twenty three a game.

When Trey Young would have been on this list, like when he took down Nasty.

When Trey Young would have been on this list, like when he took down Nasty.

He has had a bad regression and he's had some pretty bad big spot performance.

He has had a bad regression and he's had some pretty bad big spot performance.

Tyrese Maxie your boy. Remember last year this time you were loving Tyres.

Tyrese Maxie your boy. Remember last year this time you were loving Tyres.

I like him. It's just Philadelphia.

I like him. It's just Philadelphia.

He's on a boat in Cancun right now. Well, in the same boat you went fishing.

He's on a boat in Cancun right now. Well, in the same boat you went fishing.

Hey, let me tell you something. You go if you when you bring those snapper in in the Caribbean, that's not what they are actually, you know, it's it's that's it's fond, that's get out there and go fish?

Hey, let me tell you something. You go if you when you bring those snapper in in the Caribbean, that's not what they are actually, you know, it's it's that's it's fond, that's get out there and go fish?

Is it? Were they just biting left and right there?

Is it? Were they just biting left and right there?

I mean they were in the water. Caribbean fishing is great waters twelve feet deep. You can almost see them.

I mean they were in the water. Caribbean fishing is great waters twelve feet deep. You can almost see them.

Will you jumping into swim with them?

Will you jumping into swim with them?

Or no?

Or no?

No, no, no, you throw most of them back, but you know most but some you know. But the people on the boat that you know, that's that's dinner. Yeah, I love it. It was fun. They were funny people. Fishing is a lot of fun in the Caribbean, so you know, it's it's not rough seas, it's awqul water.

No, no, no, you throw most of them back, but you know most but some you know. But the people on the boat that you know, that's that's dinner. Yeah, I love it. It was fun. They were funny people. Fishing is a lot of fun in the Caribbean, so you know, it's it's not rough seas, it's awqul water.

What about you at the SPF. Are you like a thirty or you have fifty?

What about you at the SPF. Are you like a thirty or you have fifty?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I'm a fifty as well.

I'm a fifty as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, all right, So I gotta tell you this, this this draft is interesting. There is a you know, here's what I don't like. How many stories just connected to the Giants had there been no I mean seriously, there was one when we entered the show today, a rumor about Jack's and Dart, and there was one during the show today, is that both Cleveland and the New York Giants are considering moving down. Yeah, there's just too much noise around the Giants.

Yeah, all right, So I gotta tell you this, this this draft is interesting. There is a you know, here's what I don't like. How many stories just connected to the Giants had there been no I mean seriously, there was one when we entered the show today, a rumor about Jack's and Dart, and there was one during the show today, is that both Cleveland and the New York Giants are considering moving down. Yeah, there's just too much noise around the Giants.

By the way, you know who there's not noise around the Jets. Aaron Glenn has shut it down. Glenn and the New GM super quiet. Like, there's no leaks about the Jets right now.

By the way, you know who there's not noise around the Jets. Aaron Glenn has shut it down. Glenn and the New GM super quiet. Like, there's no leaks about the Jets right now.

There's leaks galore. Giants, the bad all the bad teams.

There's leaks galore. Giants, the bad all the bad teams.

Of course.

Of course.

Yeah, I'm I'm you know, you can say what you want about the quality of the draft, but there's going to be a lot of players that go in the late first round, like these Colston Loveland guys and Travian Henderson guys. I mean, the top of the draft may not be good. There are a lot the second round wide receivers. Four to five guys will get drafted, all will play early. There is it stars, no starters everywhere.

Yeah, I'm I'm you know, you can say what you want about the quality of the draft, but there's going to be a lot of players that go in the late first round, like these Colston Loveland guys and Travian Henderson guys. I mean, the top of the draft may not be good. There are a lot the second round wide receivers. Four to five guys will get drafted, all will play early. There is it stars, no starters everywhere.