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Published Feb 29, 2024, 9:04 PM

Should the Packers pay QB Jordan Love now?

More on Chiefs WR Mecole Hardman's issues with the Jets

Looking at mobility in the NBA

 

Guest: James Jones

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This NFLPA report card is just such a big story.

Oh my gosh.

Mike Tomlin got an A from the Steelers players, which puts him fifth in player satisfaction among last season's head coaches.

Now and he calls players out and hold him account to us. Yeah, he's a tough coach.

However, ownership did not mirror Tomlin's marks.

Root He received an F and was ranked thirty first out of thirty two owners.

In his willingness to invest in the facilities.

No they don't have nice enough recliners.

Shocker, billionaire did not want to splurge and spend money to help the millionaire.

And he pays Tomlin a lot paid make it Fitzpatrick a law. He's paid TJ. Watt a law. How about he pays his coaches a lot? What's your beef? I pay people. I'm for paying people. This whole facilities thing. I'm sorry, you just go. I just really gets meet. Pork tells fair. An owner gets an app the Steelers have been haven't had a losing season in forever. And the owner gets an a.

F the coach gets an a. The owner gets it out.

Give me a break something. Do you really think the Steelers a failing grade? I didn't show up for Spanish class in high school, got a D. You're talking of failing grade? You're gonna give the roonies.

So we stop talking about their port card.

They draft and develop about as well as anybody not named the Packers, except quarterbacks. Well, they did big Ben Okay, top ten pick, and Cordell Stewart was pretty good, pretty good.

He was solid barely next up, Antonio Pierce, heading into his first full season as Raiders head coach, did pretty well as the interim. They don't have a quarterback, though the starting job is Aiden's Aidan O'Connell's to lose.

According to Pierce, well he was, but they need a long term solution.

Yeah, i'ld over whoever draft, that's the route we go.

If that's who just started the coups, you know, and then.

Again I'll go back at this Aiden or somebody drafts when we bring in.

You don't want to put a bandaged that position.

That's that's all.

That's all. That's I think the Raiders we've seen that enough in this organization.

Yeah, I mean when Kenny Stabler was great, Ken O'Brian.

Who was a quarterback where they went to the Super Bowl.

Jim Plunkett, Rad Raiders, Bucks Cannon all, Yeah.

David had a good quarterback in.

A while, Yeah, Garoppolo, Derek Carr good.

Now, tough to find a quarterback, man.

It's a lot of their ills have been that position.

Same s he's for the Jets.

No, that's right, that's exactly right. You had Chad Pennington was pretty solid.

Sanchez had two amazing. Richard Todd off good for about an Now, Richard todd what's.

Wrong with that? Don't go seventies on me? Rain Man up.

Here, Ken O'Brian was their guy.

I don't.

I don't know what the Raiders are gonna do. There isn't a quarterback in free agency. It feels like the other is Kirk Cousins.

We don't know that he's leaving the Vikings.

That's true, Okay, So let's say.

Kirk Cousins stays and Fields goes elsewhere, and Russell Wilson goes elsewhere?

Who you got Bonnicks got? Draft him? Well?

I would sooner go Pennix.

Bon Nicks moves much better than Pennix, and Bonix has sixty one college starts. He is ready to play now, Dad was a coah. Bon Nicks will walk in and you'll see what you get with Bonix, like brock Perty, you will see within five games what you have.

Okay, let me just ask you an honest question.

If I check your phone in contacts and I put in Knicks, is he in there?

Or do you text him? Because you love this guy more than anyone?

I don't. I just no. I said he has sixty one college stars, so like he's to me, he's a much better version of Kenny Pickett. You saw with Kenny Pickett by like start eight. This is kind of what he is. I don't think it's special. I don't know how special bon Nix is, but he's a much more accurate thrower than Kenny Pickett. I think he's So.

If Nix and Pennix are on the board, you're going Knicks over Pennix.

Well, I think I have to because of injuries, and I think bon Nicks moves much better, and I like the movement. It matters, it.

Does, It's close. Final story.

Anthony Richardson is rehabbing that shoulder injury that ended his rookie season. Colt CM Chris Ballard was asked about Richardson's progress at the Combine this week, and he pointed to Andrew Lutt's injury history as the reason they are being cautious this time around.

He started throwing.

He's on a rehab program. We're not gonna like I mean, I live through the last one, okay, and I learned a lot of lessons living through the last one.

So you know, forgive me for being a little cautious.

I know Anthony's made some statements that's important to be ahead of schedule. Well, you know that's we're here to pull the reins to make sure we don't get too far ahead of schedule and we're staying with whatever the doctors are telling us. So, but he's in good shape, he's throwing, he's got a good throwing program, got good people working with him. So I'm encouraged about where he's at and where he's going, and we'll go from there.

He is definitely one of the more entertaining players to watch at that position. He is electric as an athlete. Electric. He looks like he looks like an outside He looks like a rush end. I mean, watch this kid.

I guess you'd rather have him been brock Purty, right.

I think he throws the ball better than I thought. No, he's a much better athlete than brock Purty.

Nobody's that.

I think he's pretty good. I think he's a pretty good player. I think he's very interesting player.

Here, you ranked your top twelve quarterbacks. Yeah, I think we need to expand that next week because we're gonna have some time to thirty two.

You need to rank all thirty two.

But the audience doesn't want no, No.

They do because brock Perty's out on the Listen, where's Anthony Richardson.

And Jalen Hurts the tumble you ever remember the last offseason.

The six quarterbacks that wouldn't take a call on and Jalen Hurts might be seven.

Now Hurts is not even in your top twelve.

Well, I said, has that happened? It's well, things happen, new information ten ten in one start. Yeah, Jalen Hurts without Shane Steichen deteriorated badly, a lot of turnovers. Not good from the pocket. You get new information. If I got a new flight plan, it said fly around this massive lightning storm. Should I just fly into it? And say, well, four hours ago the flight plan said go this way. New information, new opinions. That's what grown ups do, That's what adults do.

Your buddy, Jared Goff is fortunate that Ben Johnson stuck around. We don't want to see what GOP would look like without McVeigh or Ben Johnson.

Very very fortunate.

Huh yeah, look at that.

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I gotta I gotta hold this guy. I got some big questions for James Jones, super Bowl champ, former Packer wide receiver. He thought he was just gonna go on speak today and hit a couple of layups, New got okay, So we got to get into this thing because I've been on this all day and it's irritating.

Yeah.

So I always I always always told the Packers treat their players very very well.

They do, they do.

I'm not a big facility guy now. Now Fox sold a big chunk of the company to another company. So and they put money into the facility, but they've also put money into people in games. I am much more about This is a workplace. I come in, I have my coffee, I grind, I leave. I'm not really a facilities day. I have appreciate it, and I've told them I appreciate it, But to me, I would rather Kansas City Page the coach the DC, Chris Jones, Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes, the GM. The facilities are average. Does that bother you?

Well, I mean the facilities are a big thing, right, because it's a big thing in the National Football League that every coach that I have been around says, we want you to live in this building. Study Ice tub JACUZI all that we want you to live in here. If it's a place that is not up to par, you are trying to get out of there as fast as you can. I came from Green Bay and I went to the Oakland Raiders in Alameda.

Now those are the worst facilities.

Tell me, I went to the Oakland Raiders in Alameda.

I'm coming from Green Bay to where everything is plushed out. Locker room is plushed out, facilities are plushed out. You have everything you could possibly need. And I go to the Oakland Raiders and there's no kitchen.

They're rolling in this.

Stoves, cooking you some pancakes and waffles if you're they roll in lockers for the practice squad guys and all that. It's just facility wise, And Alamedia was absolutely terrible. And I used to tell myself, if I wasn't a Bay Area boy, if I'm going somewhere as a free agent and I see these facilities, there's.

No way I'm coming here, you know what I mean.

Especially now, you might go to somewhere with bad facilities, if you know, if Patrick Mahomes is there and your receiver, that's different.

But there's no way I'm coming here.

And I've been to New York, or I've been to Green Bay, or I've been to Chicago wherever, and the facility is much more plushed out.

There's no way I'm.

Coming to this. Okay, But you make it in this league not on free agents. You basically make it on hiring a right coach, drafting or development player. That's where you win free agents, like thirty percent.

Yeah, yeah, because if you get drafted out of me to you own no no better.

But it's interesting. So, I mean, the Steelers got an f they haven't a losing season since whenever. That that's over the top. Yeah, how little?

I mean, yes, that's over the top because it doesn't matter about the facilities if you are finding ways to win.

The way here's the earth thing. Pittsburgh's Oh was tough.

Yeah.

So my theory on this best faciit Cowboys.

Bougie Raiders right now too is yeah when I heard they are, but Cowboys been bougie.

That franchise hasn't shown up for a big primetime game in forever. You baby, you have do you have too much nice stuff?

Even Niners facilities and Niners facilities is not what you think.

And by the way, okay, Niners facility is not great. Great defense, Kansas City's facilities not great. Maybe the best defense Pittsburgh facility is not great.

Dogs always have a good defense year in and year out.

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So. But my takeaway is I used to cover Tyson. He loved Johnny Toco's ringside Jim Dark. No air conditioning in Vegas in the summer. My takeaway is if your facilities are too bougie, I.

See where you're going where another and and that is very true. That that that, that is very true. Yeah, you know that you're going to get everything you're walking in there. It don't look grimy. You know, we were for next team. That's the only right reason why I'm saying that.

In Green Bay. We never were a team.

That walked on the field and was like, oh, they gonna punch you in the mouth.

Real physical.

We never were at Now, we would win a lot, but we never were at just real grimy physical team.

You could be onto something.

I always say. I always say, if you raise your kids with crown molding and granite countertops, it's the end of aspiration.

Yeah, the only thing with you is you just better. Hope you draft well because you're not getting.

A free well I mean, and by the way, that's what all that's the downfall of the New England dynasty is they stopped drafting well down. I mean, that's kind of it. They just didn't draft as well. The other thing about this, so right, I'll get off this dime. I'm paralyzed by this. So McCole Hardman and I said, you don't have to be a great player to have great access. McCole Hardman. He goes with the Chiefs, and he's a Parker and he runs a real tough and he's a little inconsistent. They shipping to New York doesn't work. They bring him back because they like something. And he says, man, I've been on winners and I've been on the Jets. You guys in New York aren't doing it the way they're doing it, and everybody's crushing McCole. In my take is most players do keep this stuff out of the public. You don't kind of trash. But you went to the Packers, Raiders. Greg Jennings went Packers.

Dolphins and Dolphins, and.

I mean TJ. Hushmnzata went Bengals, Ravens and he's told me stories. Oh I knew the minute I walked into the locker room. McCall. Hartman has a point here, does he not? You hang out with that facility in that team or those coaches and the Jets. Why shouldn't I believe him?

Well, no doubt about it. And it's not even like it's a knock on the Jets. You're talking about a Hall of Fame coach and Andy Reid, who knows how it's supposed to look, who knows how it's supposed to get done. When he was in Philadelphia, he won a lot of football games. Since he's been in Kansas City, he's been the multiple AFC Championships, in multiple Super Bowls. So you know, I definitely understand where he's coming from. When you're talking about a culture and how a coach is running stuff. When you're coming from a winning colcher I was coming from the Green Bay Packers to the Oakland Raiders. When you're coming from a winning colchure, things are done a certain way. When I first got to the Raiders, the practice schedule, it was unorganized, all of that, And I'm like, when I came in here with coach Mike McCarthy.

It was boom boom, boom, boom boom.

Everybody knew exactly where they were going, exactly what they were doing, exactly what needed to be done, and you knew that that was a championship culture.

So if you're coming from Andy.

Reid and everybody's treated the same, and this is the way we do it. Whether you're Patrick Mahomes, whether you're mik O Harmon, whether you're MVS, whether you're Skymore, this is how we're getting it done. That is a culture, and certain coaches know how to bring that culture toward organization. And when you have that and you go to another organization, you like, what is this? So I understand where he's what he's trying to get to and what he's saying, because you're coming from a Hall of fame coach that knows how it's done, and you're going to a coach and Robert Salad who's really just gotten the job to be a head coach a couple of years to be a head coach to where he's still really trying to find his way and really, you know, identify really what the culture's gonna be.

By the way you see, there's a new book coming out with Aaron Rodgers. Is it Ian O'Connor writes great books. Hmm, it's called The Darkness. I think it's called it is. Actually Ian wrote a coach k book that's amazing, a Belichick book, a Jeter book. They go all the way back to read Family. Oh, I can't wait for Tim. I'll get it for sure because Aaron. I have this theory on Aaron you know him as your friend, is that Aaron pushes back on authority. His parents were very religious. He pushed back on religion. He pushes back on management, and he pushes back on vaccines. He pushes back on media. It used to be if you did that, that was respected in America, Like you were pushing back on authority. Now if you do that, you get banged on by the media. So where I respect Aaron is Aaron doesn't take anybody's word for it. He's not always right, but he's willing to push back on power.

I love it.

I'm ready to read it because I mean, I know how I feel about Aaron, my brother.

I love him, So do you know what?

I'm sure it'll be some stuff in there that I did not know, And I'm interested to see.

Ian O'Connor said he talked to a source in the NFL that did not like Aaron, but he said was an executive. Huh, because I've never met a player who didn't love him. I'm telling you, I mean, why is that.

I will go to bat for Aaron Rodgers all day, every day, any day of the week. Aaron Rodgers is one of those guys to where that if he is your brother and he trusts you and he's your brother, he'll do anything for you. He will ride for you till the wills fall off, he will do anything for you. He's that type of friend and that type of man him out.

Would you be okay with that?

Well, if I called him out number one, I would tell him first before Yeah.

That's that's not me. I'm that is my brother.

So I would never come on TV and say Aaron Rodgers is this or Aaron Rodgers is that. If it's something with Aaron Rodgers that I disagree with, I will call Aaron Rodgers. I will text Aaron Rodgers what you're doing while you're saying that, what you know, and we would.

Have a conversation.

I'm not the type of person to come on TV and just be like, Aaron Rodgers is this and that? Especially when he's my brother, he could come on TV and say, JJ is this and that? You know what I mean if that's his opinion. But if you're my brother, you are going to come to me and you're gonna talk to me like a man and iron all that stuff out.

That's just me. That's the type of relationship me and Aaron hair.

I like that. So Jordan Love extension. Can I just watch him play out his contract before I give him a note?

Give them money, man, give him the money.

He's had nine good games.

Jordan Love.

If you turn the tape on and you watch the good games and you watch the bad games, it is going to be some plays from them bad games to where you like, Holy moly, right, this dude can play the game of football. I don't think the Packers need to see anything else when it comes to Jordan Love. Now make this guy the franchise quarterback. There's not a throw he cannot make. He's extremely smart. He got much more comfortable under coach the floor as the season went on. The roster is only going to get better under this young fella.

He is absolutely special.

In my opinion, he has the most upside out of any of these quarterbacks that is up for contract, free agents, whatever, he has the most upside. That's including Dak Prescott, that's including Brock Purty, that's including.

Any of these guys that you think are good.

Jordan Love is that dude, and I think he has shown the Packers enough to make him a franchise quarterback for a long time.

I'm excited to see him in Greenbay.

In the history of pro football, if he's as good as he could potentially be, It's never happened, never far Rogers Love.

That is that it doesn't happen every God has been.

The pas is about as good as you're gonna get. They won a third one.

I mean that is crazy.

It's crazy Far to Rogers twenty years to twenty one years, and you might have another guy that's gonna play well.

I think when I watch him, I see more Farv than Rogers. I see a little more willingness to kind of let her rip.

We will never see another Rogers man.

When you talk about a guy that's able to take care of the football like Aaron did, but still be special and make these crazy little bit Yeah, you're always gonna be able to argue Mahomes.

But but Aaron, I mean I'm mad at him.

I'll let you know that because I truly believe, deep down in my heart he's the greatest quarterback to ever play this game and he left Greens. But no, but since he hasn't been to the super Bowl multiple times, I have multiple championships, I really can't fight for him and argue for him when you talk about rings. But when you talk about that talent at that quarterback position, I will argue with anybody in any day, all day long, that he's the greatest to put them cleats on.

We'll probably send you a text after that.

What I'm saying very nice to.

Say, James Jones, are you on speak today?

I am won't speak today.

Well, hopefully they ask some tough questions too, not just a bunch of layups out there. What makes Mercedes benz ev different Electric is what gets you there, Mercedes is what moves you. Go to MBUSA dot com slash e Q James Jones, thank you. We wrap it up next.

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She may come back for one more year.

I would say, no shot, but maybe she can make.

More money in il at Iowa. Would she be the number one pick WNBA?

Her problem is La doesn't have the number one pick. It's Indiana, which might be good for her.

She gets to stay in there the West.

Oh She would a I mean you talk about selling tickets, Caitlin Clark would sell WNBA techs with the league.

It would be amazing if she were out here in Los Angeles, which is a larger market, bigger TV numbers for the WNBA.

Like, yeah, I'm sure the league would rather have her in LA, but.

Well you may Kansas City Chiefs and Packers get big numbers in the Midwest Midwest if you do Ohio State and Michigan outright, USC and TV right also true.

I mean, she's going to be successful wherever she goes.

I talked about this on my podcast, But there is something happening in women's college basketball colin where they're like embracing some of the trash talk and some of the gamesmanship and the swag in women's college basketball.

Men's is not allowing it.

Well, like people are talking tracks to Kaitlin Clark, they block her shot and stare her down.

It's like, oh, well, first of all, a lot of the ratings are Caitlin Clark, yes, But secondly, women don't do the transfer portal to the level of men. So you get the same women, same good teams, same players who will be pros year after year. Men's college I mean boxing's died in my lifetime. Boxing just died college basketball. Men's college basketball is on life support between the one and done and transfer portal. I watched Duke. I know two of their players. It's just it's got they got a major problem college football. Even with a transfer portal, your rosters have eighty five scholarship, so if you lose nine guys, I'm keeping seventy five.

So this goes to parody college with the transfer portal. I mean, no number one Seeds made the final four last year. No number two has made the final four. There's so many good players that they're spread out among the teams. You don't have dominant duke, dominant u uns and I don't think it.

Yeah, I mean, I still love the tournament. First couple of days of tournament are magical television. But women, you know, mobility is something we brag about and talk about how great it is. It's not necessarily great for TV ratings in the league. I think, you know, take out Lebron James, one guy in the NBA. Take him out. Tell me all the mobility in the NBA that's been good for the league. K D should have stayed in San Francisco for who.

Well, I'm just warrior, but for why should he have stayed.

Because they had the best team in the world.

I agree he did get injured out.

His career is not the same. He was viewed as arguably one in one a of Lebron. Now he's an older dude. That's brittle.

He made a mistake chasing Kyrie. I hang out with him.

Find me all the Kyrie Irvings movement, Harden's movement, find me all the moves that work. Dame's unhappy.

Well, Definet's first of all, let's define work if it's just win a champion.

James went to Cleveland, title went to Miami. Two titles, go to the Lakers. Titles that's working, Yes, find me all the mobility thing. Everybody's all I want to move.

Find me where it works, Okay, Kawhi Leonard goes from the Spurs one of the Raptors for one year. I've called that the luckiest championship in the Warriors were all her So there's one.

And by the way, he got a title, I know it's a big deal. Then he left and it does matter because Toronto never won a title. I'm not diminishing that, but I mean, if he wouldn't have won the title, would it have been worth it.

Well, yeah, but okay, but Carl Malone and John Stockton stuck around Utah forever.

They didn't want a title.

They had the Final Games for seventeen years, never won a title. So did that work? I think it did work. It didn't beat Jordan.

So now the new barometer is getting to the final. Well, I like that. I'm gonna I'm with you. I just want to be clear.

Yeah, I just think this whole like like mobility is it sounds great? Now I've moved for my career. You have moved. It's you know, and that's fine. But a lot of people don't move and are very happy. And I think we talk about mobility all the time. Man it there's a grass always greener thing. And you look in the NBA. Just take Lebron out. Find me all that he moved around and went everywhere. D Wade left Miami for an hour, went to Chicago. Get me out of here. I want to go back to Miami. I don't think mobility is all that. I don't.

I think it gets a take.

Gets talked about. Now, Anthony Davis, there are there are some NBA city. New Orleans is a football town and I teamed up, but but but Ad teamed up with Lebron. Kevin Love moved teamed up with Lebron. I got no len, if you're Lebron, or team up with Lebron. Take Lebron as a player and an associate. Take Lebron the brand out, show me all the mobility that works.

Okay, here we go.

Kevin Garnett said he was gonna stay in Minnesota forever. It's like, fine, I'm going get me out of here to Boston. Goes to Boston with ray Allen and Peers.

They win a title and it worked. I would say that was successful and in that instance not a great basketball operation to a legendary brand. That one I totally defend by KG.

And ray Allen. Palgasol. I think he was just traded. He didn't we didn't technically move to.

Jan and the Lakers, by the way, pursued Pawell Gasol. He didn't necessarily want and by the way, Kawhi Leonard didn't want to leave, so he didn't want to go to Toronto. He didn't want to go there. I mean, he's like, it's too cold here. He said it when he was winning, So I like, it's just everybody sells all this stuff, Kyrie Harden, They're all moving. Where's it work?

Okay?

So but what if work is defined by I'm having more fun playing with my friends in another city where I'm running the team as opposed to my last stop. That's got about There's gotta be some value in that. Maybe you're getting away from a coach you don't like or a teammate you don't like. And Draymond Green, I can't kill these guys for.

Not killing them. I'm saying this belief that you start, you start asking players around the league, do you want to move your family? New kids, new school, wife, new friends, new how sell this? It's not that fun?

And we'll see Trey Young this summer. We'll see what happens.

Trey Young is going to be aker. I'm just telling you right now. Donovan Mitchell nicks Trey Young Lakers.

The afternoon lineup for LA Radio by saying, Trey Young is gonna be like He's gonna be.

He feels like LA, he feels like LA. Lebron will bring him down.

Be Who's gonna be? That was boss Kevin Love in that relationship.

I was at an event with Trey Young. And Lebron was in attendance. What are you doing now?

I don't think le Bron's gonna like this?

Well it was.

There was a lot of people there. I wasn't the only person.

Yours hand picking.

Raymond, Lebron, and Trey Young were all So who.

Is the third banana in h A D, Lebron and Trey Young? Third wheel? That's the guy who gets blamed. The third wheel always gets.

Trey Young because Lebron and a D have a title, Trey Young would get blamed. But Trey Young is exactly what the Lakers need, which is an aggressive, scoring, perimeter threat with a lot of athletic ability who can also pass defense no good, but a D protects a rim. So you're fine?

Are you giving up Austin Reeves?

Yeap, what you asked? I didn't, Uh, I'm Austin Reeves.

Yeah, well ruey, Yes, But Austin Reeves that's gonna be a tough one to part.

With for Donovan Mitchell. I probably would. I don't know if I would. I like tre Young, I do.

You'd probably give off Austin Reeves for Donovan Mickey in a package?

Yeah, yeah, I have to. Really, that's a tough one.

I'm telling you, Austin Reeves, unselfish, amazing, contract does everything, doesn't need the spotlight.

Willing to take a back seat, you know what I'm not.

It doesn't bother me. If a guy wants a little spotlight, Luca likes a little spotlight, Lebron does, Michael did Magic.

Young taking a bow at MSG.

He why, I love that? Okay, that's one of the great MSG moments in a long time. True, I'm all for bowing, especially when you're the visitor. That was a great series was Nix Warriors Tonight you're betting on that. Jalen Brunson may may not play. We'll see good game, all right, see you tomorrow, Live in La the Herd

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