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All right, let's welcome into the show. Jeff Schwartz, former NFL.

All right, let's welcome into the show. Jeff Schwartz, former NFL.

Player, former Morgan Duck.

Player, former Morgan Duck.

He's uh, looks like he's about to hit the golf course after we talk.

He's uh, looks like he's about to hit the golf course after we talk.

Jeff, how's life down there in North Carolina.

Jeff, how's life down there in North Carolina.

It's good, it's getting warm. I wish I was on the golf course jmact, but not today. I'm playing Wednesday. You know, I play ten times a year. It's all like a big deal for me. I know people love it, but like I just, you know, get outside for a couple hours every day every week, well once a week. Well you know it's good for me. Yeah.

It's good, it's getting warm. I wish I was on the golf course jmact, but not today. I'm playing Wednesday. You know, I play ten times a year. It's all like a big deal for me. I know people love it, but like I just, you know, get outside for a couple hours every day every week, well once a week. Well you know it's good for me. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm more of a top golf guy than I am a golf course guy.

Yeah, I'm more of a top golf guy than I am a golf course guy.

I don't have four hours.

I don't have four hours.

What can I say, Jeff? A lot of news happening in the NFL. I want to start with the big One. Over the weekend, Deon Sanders did a podcast where he kind of did what we expected him to do.

What can I say, Jeff? A lot of news happening in the NFL. I want to start with the big One. Over the weekend, Deon Sanders did a podcast where he kind of did what we expected him to do.

Chime in on shoudor here's the video. We'll play real quick.

Chime in on shoudor here's the video. We'll play real quick.

Deon Sanders talking about his shun slide in the draft.

Deon Sanders talking about his shun slide in the draft.

When you sit up there and say something like he went in a meeting, I'm prepared, like dude, Shador Sanders, who's had six different coordinators, stop lying, like you gotta understand.

When you sit up there and say something like he went in a meeting, I'm prepared, like dude, Shador Sanders, who's had six different coordinators, stop lying, like you gotta understand.

My kids are built for everything. They want to.

My kids are built for everything. They want to.

Create these narratives and create these stories and then attach them to a kid that ain't never done and wrong. You're gonna tell me he had on headphones, Chadors. Anybody know my son. I understand he's a professional, Like he's gonna go in to meet with headphones on.

Create these narratives and create these stories and then attach them to a kid that ain't never done and wrong. You're gonna tell me he had on headphones, Chadors. Anybody know my son. I understand he's a professional, Like he's gonna go in to meet with headphones on.

Like, Yo, it did hurt.

Like, Yo, it did hurt.

Now, you don't want to go over the top, Jeff, But I know you have kids. I got kids and we talk all the time. Hey, you can only take them so far. You teach them the.

Now, you don't want to go over the top, Jeff, But I know you have kids. I got kids and we talk all the time. Hey, you can only take them so far. You teach them the.

Ways and then they're on their own. Chador's twenty three.

Ways and then they're on their own. Chador's twenty three.

Now, I think saying this stuff is exactly what Kevin Stefanski and coaches around the league didn't want.

Now, I think saying this stuff is exactly what Kevin Stefanski and coaches around the league didn't want.

They didn't need this noise.

They didn't need this noise.

Now Stefanski's going to go to OTA's this week, the first question is going to be, hey, Dion said this, and it's just like a headache, we don't need. Am I overreacting or do you kind of say the same thing?

Now Stefanski's going to go to OTA's this week, the first question is going to be, hey, Dion said this, and it's just like a headache, we don't need. Am I overreacting or do you kind of say the same thing?

I don't think you're overreacting, But I understand defending your son. I think this is one of the only times he's done this right publicly since I know there's been quotes maybe attributed to him. But so I get defending your son. The question whether is is whether this is going to continue, right, like, we'll continue in to the season where every time someone plays poorly, let's say Flacco is playing poorly, that we get a comment from Dion about his son possibly playing I think and just in the one instance, it is okay to defend him, especially if you feel like you've been wronged. But now moving forward, yes, you're right you should let should stand on his own and not really involve yourself in what's happening with him on a daily basis. Now, this is what people are worried about. I think so right. I think this is part of the whole package of why sad you're thinking I don't think NFL teams are making this up either. Maybe we're being loose with the term meeting, like if if immediate the combine in a general setting, not with a personalized meeting. Players might have headphones on as they go to the meeting room, they probably take them off, But it sort of depends, I think, on what you think of meeting is. But I don't think the teams are lying about this. So doing this all plays a role in why he didn't drafted as high as he did. So I look, aga, I understand Dion defending his son totally gues especially Philter is wrong. But now I think you said your piece. It's over with now he's with the Browns, he's in OTAs. Let him do his own thing now, and you worry about coaching Colorado.

I don't think you're overreacting, But I understand defending your son. I think this is one of the only times he's done this right publicly since I know there's been quotes maybe attributed to him. But so I get defending your son. The question whether is is whether this is going to continue, right, like, we'll continue in to the season where every time someone plays poorly, let's say Flacco is playing poorly, that we get a comment from Dion about his son possibly playing I think and just in the one instance, it is okay to defend him, especially if you feel like you've been wronged. But now moving forward, yes, you're right you should let should stand on his own and not really involve yourself in what's happening with him on a daily basis. Now, this is what people are worried about. I think so right. I think this is part of the whole package of why sad you're thinking I don't think NFL teams are making this up either. Maybe we're being loose with the term meeting, like if if immediate the combine in a general setting, not with a personalized meeting. Players might have headphones on as they go to the meeting room, they probably take them off, But it sort of depends, I think, on what you think of meeting is. But I don't think the teams are lying about this. So doing this all plays a role in why he didn't drafted as high as he did. So I look, aga, I understand Dion defending his son totally gues especially Philter is wrong. But now I think you said your piece. It's over with now he's with the Browns, he's in OTAs. Let him do his own thing now, and you worry about coaching Colorado.

I compared it to Arch Manning at Texas.

I compared it to Arch Manning at Texas.

He couldn't win the starting job over Quinn Yours, even though a lot of people wanted him, a lot of Texas fans, and then Quinn Ewers stinks against Georgia and stuff. We didn't hear the Manning family come out and say, hey, you gotta bench yours. My son's got to get We didn't hear any of that, And I just wonder do you think, like, is there a way someone can tell Dianne.

He couldn't win the starting job over Quinn Yours, even though a lot of people wanted him, a lot of Texas fans, and then Quinn Ewers stinks against Georgia and stuff. We didn't hear the Manning family come out and say, hey, you gotta bench yours. My son's got to get We didn't hear any of that, And I just wonder do you think, like, is there a way someone can tell Dianne.

I'm asking you nicely, please just don't say anything. Just say you're rooting for the Browns and your son and that's and and knit it there.

I'm asking you nicely, please just don't say anything. Just say you're rooting for the Browns and your son and that's and and knit it there.

I mean, can you tell him? Sure? I don't know if he's going to do that, right, And this is who Dion has been right as he just shares what he feels. We see it on social media, We see it on any of the different platforms where were Colorado's featured. He is and I think that's a characteristic that people like about Dean doesn't shy away from talking about things and sharing his feelings. But in this, in this instance, you're right. Like I think again, I think now is the time you've said it. You disagree with how your your son was covered, you disagree with how he was drafted. You've done your piece. Now you've said it, you got off your chest, and now I think it's a separation. And look, I do think the term distracts me. Talk a lot about in sports. This is one of them. You mentioned the exact thing right where the next time the Fantasy's interviewed he's gonna have to talk about what a father it was, a famous father of one of his four quarterbacks said about how the sun was handled during the draft process. So you don't want those questions to come up, even though they obviously are gonna come up. But I think if Jack after this week, this is it, right, this is it. This is the last week hear about about Dion and shadured really Dean talking about Shader unless it's a positive thing, obviously, I think the problems are gonna be okay with it. If it sort of ends this week.

I mean, can you tell him? Sure? I don't know if he's going to do that, right, And this is who Dion has been right as he just shares what he feels. We see it on social media, We see it on any of the different platforms where were Colorado's featured. He is and I think that's a characteristic that people like about Dean doesn't shy away from talking about things and sharing his feelings. But in this, in this instance, you're right. Like I think again, I think now is the time you've said it. You disagree with how your your son was covered, you disagree with how he was drafted. You've done your piece. Now you've said it, you got off your chest, and now I think it's a separation. And look, I do think the term distracts me. Talk a lot about in sports. This is one of them. You mentioned the exact thing right where the next time the Fantasy's interviewed he's gonna have to talk about what a father it was, a famous father of one of his four quarterbacks said about how the sun was handled during the draft process. So you don't want those questions to come up, even though they obviously are gonna come up. But I think if Jack after this week, this is it, right, this is it. This is the last week hear about about Dion and shadured really Dean talking about Shader unless it's a positive thing, obviously, I think the problems are gonna be okay with it. If it sort of ends this week.

That would be great. I'm dubious that it ends this week.

That would be great. I'm dubious that it ends this week.

Let's go to another one. Big news that just happened. You're in the last two hours. Frank reg Now the All Pro center from the Detroit Lions up and retired at twenty nine years old.

Let's go to another one. Big news that just happened. You're in the last two hours. Frank reg Now the All Pro center from the Detroit Lions up and retired at twenty nine years old.

Now listen, this is not.

Now listen, this is not.

Gonna be big headline news everywhere, but as a former offensive line and you know, this is massive.

Gonna be big headline news everywhere, but as a former offensive line and you know, this is massive.

This is huge.

This is huge.

We've been saying for the last two years the Lions have the best offensive line in the.

We've been saying for the last two years the Lions have the best offensive line in the.

League, and now you lose your center.

League, and now you lose your center.

He grated out as the second best center recording a Pro Football Focus.

He grated out as the second best center recording a Pro Football Focus.

This is a massive deal for the Lions.

This is a massive deal for the Lions.

No, it's a big loss when you look at sort of like the splits when he's on and off the field, because he has had injuries over his career. The Lions, no surprise, so much better when he's on the field. You've got position at center position. You often see the j MAC where you get a center and he's just your guy forever. Like they're so hard to find of this Cab Jase Kelse Hobson for so many years, Creed Humphrey's going nowhere. When you look at all the centers who eventually make it to the NFL Hall of Fame, it's like they played their career for fifteen seventeen years on one team, and the connection that you have with your quarterback, with your offensive line is hugely important. Now the Lions now, whether or not they knew this is going to be the case, I'm sure they had an inkling. They drafted centers and guards like in the draft, and Glass now is still there to move over. But this is how quickly things change. Right where you have a solid offensive line for a couple of years and all of a sudden you don't have the same solid offensive line. It's change there with the offensive coordinator. So I would imagine the Lions had an idea of what was going to happen. But if you put if you put Ralegion there art at center from Georgia and you have you have a young left guard, you have a young center. If someone beat out Glass, now you have a young right guard. That it's a league right. Things change out, but it's a loss for them. You don't find centers growing on trades man. It's why there's a limited few that are elite, and they typically stay with their team forever. So I wish them the best. I will say this as far as retiring early or we consider early, I like his mindset. I think it's what athletes should do it. I didn't do this. I didn't retire when I should have. I try to stick on a little bit longer. So I really do appreciate the players who just know when it's time, and you Resistagram posts that look back my body is it's giving me all I can all i can take. I've used the best into my ability. Is time to retire. I appreciate having that clarity in someone's career.

No, it's a big loss when you look at sort of like the splits when he's on and off the field, because he has had injuries over his career. The Lions, no surprise, so much better when he's on the field. You've got position at center position. You often see the j MAC where you get a center and he's just your guy forever. Like they're so hard to find of this Cab Jase Kelse Hobson for so many years, Creed Humphrey's going nowhere. When you look at all the centers who eventually make it to the NFL Hall of Fame, it's like they played their career for fifteen seventeen years on one team, and the connection that you have with your quarterback, with your offensive line is hugely important. Now the Lions now, whether or not they knew this is going to be the case, I'm sure they had an inkling. They drafted centers and guards like in the draft, and Glass now is still there to move over. But this is how quickly things change. Right where you have a solid offensive line for a couple of years and all of a sudden you don't have the same solid offensive line. It's change there with the offensive coordinator. So I would imagine the Lions had an idea of what was going to happen. But if you put if you put Ralegion there art at center from Georgia and you have you have a young left guard, you have a young center. If someone beat out Glass, now you have a young right guard. That it's a league right. Things change out, but it's a loss for them. You don't find centers growing on trades man. It's why there's a limited few that are elite, and they typically stay with their team forever. So I wish them the best. I will say this as far as retiring early or we consider early, I like his mindset. I think it's what athletes should do it. I didn't do this. I didn't retire when I should have. I try to stick on a little bit longer. So I really do appreciate the players who just know when it's time, and you Resistagram posts that look back my body is it's giving me all I can all i can take. I've used the best into my ability. Is time to retire. I appreciate having that clarity in someone's career.

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Yeah, that I would largely agree with that.

Yeah, that I would largely agree with that.

But when you combine it with the no off new offensive coordinator, I mean, this could be a tough one for Jared Goff. I will say they did draft a guy out of Georgia, Tate rat Ledge, Jeff, I look this up, a three year starter at right guard, never took one snap at center. However, he has been taking center snaps here with the Lions so far, so I guess the transition could be possible.

But when you combine it with the no off new offensive coordinator, I mean, this could be a tough one for Jared Goff. I will say they did draft a guy out of Georgia, Tate rat Ledge, Jeff, I look this up, a three year starter at right guard, never took one snap at center. However, he has been taking center snaps here with the Lions so far, so I guess the transition could be possible.

But a rookie starting center, Oh.

But a rookie starting center, Oh.

Man, Yeah, it's not. It's probably not great because he didn't play center in college. You know, he did project out out to play like that. That is you know, one of his you know when when you look at it at drafts. So it's certainly you know it can come together quickly, I think, But yeah, it's a question mark now where you do I think you do sort of worry about how quickly this can start you fast for the lines this season.

Man, Yeah, it's not. It's probably not great because he didn't play center in college. You know, he did project out out to play like that. That is you know, one of his you know when when you look at it at drafts. So it's certainly you know it can come together quickly, I think, But yeah, it's a question mark now where you do I think you do sort of worry about how quickly this can start you fast for the lines this season.

And and you know some people will be like, guys, you're overrating a center.

And and you know some people will be like, guys, you're overrating a center.

Jeff, and I do gambling stuff all the time.

Jeff, and I do gambling stuff all the time.

This is significant now, Jeff, I'm on record saying I think the Lions pull back significantly. I don't do a ton of over under betting just because I don't want to tie all my money that long. But I'm looking at the Lions pulling back, like maybe missing the playoffs a lot of outdoor games. Look at their first seven games, bro, that is brutal with a rookie center, here's a world where I mean, you go to Baltimore, you're gonna be dogs in that one. That Cincinnati defense is a joke, but you got to face Joe Burrow.

This is significant now, Jeff, I'm on record saying I think the Lions pull back significantly. I don't do a ton of over under betting just because I don't want to tie all my money that long. But I'm looking at the Lions pulling back, like maybe missing the playoffs a lot of outdoor games. Look at their first seven games, bro, that is brutal with a rookie center, here's a world where I mean, you go to Baltimore, you're gonna be dogs in that one. That Cincinnati defense is a joke, but you got to face Joe Burrow.

Then you got the Chiefs. I don't like this Lion's.

Then you got the Chiefs. I don't like this Lion's.

Outlook this year, just the lack of continuity at center, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator.

Outlook this year, just the lack of continuity at center, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator.

Your thoughts on the Lions.

Your thoughts on the Lions.

Well, you have to think to get some positive aggression with injuries on defense, right, so the defense should be better than it was last year just because of that alone. But you're right, the new coinators do worry. I mean because it takes time with a new coinner, whether or not that person that's been in the building, it takes half a season to feel really comfortable with everything that you're calling, right, you have to see everything happen in a game to know how you're going to react to it. As a coach, have the players when you react, and as players, what what you're good in bad. I remember once he Kansas City in the first year, and you read was there halfway new season our bible was like week nine. Our offensive line coaches looked. He gave us a sheet of paper with all our run plays that were good and bad. He's like, we're gonna throw out the bad ones. We're gonna run the good ones, and one of the bad ones was his favorite play, but we're not good at we're throwing it out. So like that happens with a new coordinator, right, and so the lines are trying to win now, but it might take a couple of months to feel comfortable offensive. I think we saw this perfectly capsulating the Philly last season with the defense, where early on there were questions about, you know, is is this gonna work with fan jo that all of a sudden they figured out. But halfway through the season. So I think early in the year you saw their schedule a lot of tough games with a new center, maybe a new right guard, a new coordinator. So I think it's okay to be skeptical when it comes to lines, especially if the Packers take a step up a little bit, the Bear take a step up into division. The Vikings, I'm still sort of questioning, you know about about McCarthy. So I think seeing a little bit of trepidation with a line of success this year is perfectly normal.

Well, you have to think to get some positive aggression with injuries on defense, right, so the defense should be better than it was last year just because of that alone. But you're right, the new coinators do worry. I mean because it takes time with a new coinner, whether or not that person that's been in the building, it takes half a season to feel really comfortable with everything that you're calling, right, you have to see everything happen in a game to know how you're going to react to it. As a coach, have the players when you react, and as players, what what you're good in bad. I remember once he Kansas City in the first year, and you read was there halfway new season our bible was like week nine. Our offensive line coaches looked. He gave us a sheet of paper with all our run plays that were good and bad. He's like, we're gonna throw out the bad ones. We're gonna run the good ones, and one of the bad ones was his favorite play, but we're not good at we're throwing it out. So like that happens with a new coordinator, right, and so the lines are trying to win now, but it might take a couple of months to feel comfortable offensive. I think we saw this perfectly capsulating the Philly last season with the defense, where early on there were questions about, you know, is is this gonna work with fan jo that all of a sudden they figured out. But halfway through the season. So I think early in the year you saw their schedule a lot of tough games with a new center, maybe a new right guard, a new coordinator. So I think it's okay to be skeptical when it comes to lines, especially if the Packers take a step up a little bit, the Bear take a step up into division. The Vikings, I'm still sort of questioning, you know about about McCarthy. So I think seeing a little bit of trepidation with a line of success this year is perfectly normal.

Interesting will file away Vikings. I'm extremely bullish on them, but we'll do that later. Let's go to Kansas City Chiefs. Jeff I am kind of public enemy number one with the Chiefs fans.

Interesting will file away Vikings. I'm extremely bullish on them, but we'll do that later. Let's go to Kansas City Chiefs. Jeff I am kind of public enemy number one with the Chiefs fans.

Listen. I just want to point this out.

Listen. I just want to point this out.

When Brady got his third ring, it took him a decade to get another one.

When Brady got his third ring, it took him a decade to get another one.

Now, they did go to two Super Bowls, they lost both to the Giants.

Now, they did go to two Super Bowls, they lost both to the Giants.

And Patrick Mahomes has Andy Reid. But you have to admit that this left tackle situation, getting a swing tackle who was a backup in San fran that's like their solution and left tackle we know Travis Kelcey kind of looked his age there in the final two games of the season in the playoffs and then the Super Bowl, and then I got questions about the defense, which just got torched by the Eagles. But I'll defer to you. You know the team very well. Your brother obviously spent a lot of time there. Your thoughts on the Chiefs. Remember, nothing lasts forever in the league. It's impossible to stay on top for the longest time. Your thoughts on the Chiefs heading in the next season.

And Patrick Mahomes has Andy Reid. But you have to admit that this left tackle situation, getting a swing tackle who was a backup in San fran that's like their solution and left tackle we know Travis Kelcey kind of looked his age there in the final two games of the season in the playoffs and then the Super Bowl, and then I got questions about the defense, which just got torched by the Eagles. But I'll defer to you. You know the team very well. Your brother obviously spent a lot of time there. Your thoughts on the Chiefs. Remember, nothing lasts forever in the league. It's impossible to stay on top for the longest time. Your thoughts on the Chiefs heading in the next season.

You wouldn't no playoffs though, right, if I'm correct, you said no playoffs.

You wouldn't no playoffs though, right, if I'm correct, you said no playoffs.

I think the division got a lot better the schedule, which we can go over here shortly.

I think the division got a lot better the schedule, which we can go over here shortly.

It's hard, yeah, and so are you Chargers on top of the division.

It's hard, yeah, and so are you Chargers on top of the division.

I do believe the Chargers win the division. I would not rule out the Broncos. They sneaky.

I do believe the Chargers win the division. I would not rule out the Broncos. They sneaky.

Broncos got a top five roster in the league. Their defense could be you know Adam Turnoff. We talk a lot of Adham on the show. Yeah, he's like, Broncos defense is gonna be elite, like number one in the league.

Broncos got a top five roster in the league. Their defense could be you know Adam Turnoff. We talk a lot of Adham on the show. Yeah, he's like, Broncos defense is gonna be elite, like number one in the league.

Well they are.

Well they are.

They drafting their cornerback and they drafted I mean, look, the Chargers have been the AFC West champions in the preseason for like seven years in a round. It's surprised me.

They drafting their cornerback and they drafted I mean, look, the Chargers have been the AFC West champions in the preseason for like seven years in a round. It's surprised me.

Year again.

Year again.

Are better. Look, here's the thing about the Chiefs I would have agreed with you if Kelsey had retired. I was very gonna be on record. I was hinting this through the end of last season super Bowl Week. I thought Kelsey was going to retire. I thought all those signs were there for retiring. Maybe if they had one, he would have retired. I think that's probably pretty likely. The way they lost, I think was it was just a bitter taste in his mouth. He didn't play well in the game. I think with Kelsey back, it is still in the mode of let's win a championship. And I think after the season, if it doesn't go well, which might I win a championship, I'm not up here to tell you that they're going to do that, then they pull back, right Kelsey retires, Probably we work Chris Jones' deals. He gets older and you are to usher in some younger players on defense, and I think that's shartly happening after the season. But think about now again, they're going to go for it. Rashie Weiss is healthy. Is Avi Worthy into year two? Hollywood Brown into year two with the Chiefs. Remember they started last year with Rashi Rice had thirty catches. I think in three games got hurt. They did have Hollywood brown Worthy was a rookie. Like they're entering the season at least skill position wise, in a lot better place. The offensive line certainly concerned. As you mentioned Josh Shimmans, it appears might play sooner than later, which will help the Chiefs, the rookie from Ohio State. And defensively, I think that's a good unit, probably not great, but they can get better at pass rush. But they keep doing what they keep doing because they have a system in place, they have the homes and they win the close games. I get it. If you look at the close game result, you say to yourself, well, that evens out a year after year. It certainly does. But the Chiefs close games JMAC feel a little different than other teams where they just kind of, for lack of a term, bs their way sometimes like they're up to fourteen points in the fourth into me the third quarter and it's a tie game of three minutes left, like it's a close game. I get it's a close win, but a lot of teams just win that game by two touchdowns. The Chiefs just haven't. I don't know how much to put into the fact they play these close games because they do it differently. I was at the game, it's the Panthers. It's like twenty to six for the tire first half. They get up a touchdown, no touchdown. It's like, oh, the game's tied. But you never felt the Chiefs are going to lose that game. So I even still going for it this year. That's why I'm still high on them. I think next year is the year where your take might be the one I have in the offseason as well.

Are better. Look, here's the thing about the Chiefs I would have agreed with you if Kelsey had retired. I was very gonna be on record. I was hinting this through the end of last season super Bowl Week. I thought Kelsey was going to retire. I thought all those signs were there for retiring. Maybe if they had one, he would have retired. I think that's probably pretty likely. The way they lost, I think was it was just a bitter taste in his mouth. He didn't play well in the game. I think with Kelsey back, it is still in the mode of let's win a championship. And I think after the season, if it doesn't go well, which might I win a championship, I'm not up here to tell you that they're going to do that, then they pull back, right Kelsey retires, Probably we work Chris Jones' deals. He gets older and you are to usher in some younger players on defense, and I think that's shartly happening after the season. But think about now again, they're going to go for it. Rashie Weiss is healthy. Is Avi Worthy into year two? Hollywood Brown into year two with the Chiefs. Remember they started last year with Rashi Rice had thirty catches. I think in three games got hurt. They did have Hollywood brown Worthy was a rookie. Like they're entering the season at least skill position wise, in a lot better place. The offensive line certainly concerned. As you mentioned Josh Shimmans, it appears might play sooner than later, which will help the Chiefs, the rookie from Ohio State. And defensively, I think that's a good unit, probably not great, but they can get better at pass rush. But they keep doing what they keep doing because they have a system in place, they have the homes and they win the close games. I get it. If you look at the close game result, you say to yourself, well, that evens out a year after year. It certainly does. But the Chiefs close games JMAC feel a little different than other teams where they just kind of, for lack of a term, bs their way sometimes like they're up to fourteen points in the fourth into me the third quarter and it's a tie game of three minutes left, like it's a close game. I get it's a close win, but a lot of teams just win that game by two touchdowns. The Chiefs just haven't. I don't know how much to put into the fact they play these close games because they do it differently. I was at the game, it's the Panthers. It's like twenty to six for the tire first half. They get up a touchdown, no touchdown. It's like, oh, the game's tied. But you never felt the Chiefs are going to lose that game. So I even still going for it this year. That's why I'm still high on them. I think next year is the year where your take might be the one I have in the offseason as well.

Interesting, I guess the only other point is regarding the Chiefs, trying to go to four straight Super Bowls is tough. I believe only one team has been to four straight Super Bowls, and that would be the Buffalo Bills, who I think lost all of them in the the body's, the Atricia and the injuries.

Interesting, I guess the only other point is regarding the Chiefs, trying to go to four straight Super Bowls is tough. I believe only one team has been to four straight Super Bowls, and that would be the Buffalo Bills, who I think lost all of them in the the body's, the Atricia and the injuries.

Oh I agree with you. I mean I will probably pick the Bills to win the AFC, but again, like they have to do it, Jay Mac, they can't beat the Chiefs. They had a division game at home, they had the thirteen second of the game last season, Like they're so close to doing it. They be the team I pick with Josh Allen with their roster, with how they can play. I mean they're close, it just feels difficult picking them because they haven't done it yet.

Oh I agree with you. I mean I will probably pick the Bills to win the AFC, but again, like they have to do it, Jay Mac, they can't beat the Chiefs. They had a division game at home, they had the thirteen second of the game last season, Like they're so close to doing it. They be the team I pick with Josh Allen with their roster, with how they can play. I mean they're close, it just feels difficult picking them because they haven't done it yet.

All right, final question, Jeff, So we know the top four quarterbacks in the league.

All right, final question, Jeff, So we know the top four quarterbacks in the league.

Everybody largely agrees on this.

Everybody largely agrees on this.

I have been saying since the Super Bowl, you got to put Jalen Hurts at five. I think he's in that upper crust with Burrow, Lamar, Josh and Mahomes. Some pushback, Aha, he's got a stack deck. The dude's been to two Super Bowls in the last few years. He played Mahome toe to toe and just one MVP. Jalen Hurts is carrying this team. Do you have Hurts as your five or is someone else at cracking that top five?

I have been saying since the Super Bowl, you got to put Jalen Hurts at five. I think he's in that upper crust with Burrow, Lamar, Josh and Mahomes. Some pushback, Aha, he's got a stack deck. The dude's been to two Super Bowls in the last few years. He played Mahome toe to toe and just one MVP. Jalen Hurts is carrying this team. Do you have Hurts as your five or is someone else at cracking that top five?

Okay? I had this discussion day on what podcast I did, So if you were to pick the fifth quarterback that it's probably NFC quarterback where you take in Jayden Daniels or Jalen Hurts, right, because if you look at at body of work, I think Jalen Hurts certainly deserves that right. But there are times largely when he can just be a backseat quarterback. Right. They run the football really well. You know, he doesn't have to pass the ball. Terribly much, and we've seen in actually up until that Super Bowl, a lot of the playoff wins were not stat padding games. Some Hurts Now, the super Bowl was incredible, so you have to sort of take any consideration where he played really well. And by the way, he played really well in the Super Bowl that they lost too, So he's played well in both those games. And you look at Jane Daniels what he did as a rookie season, I would give Hurts probably the slight edge that do you think body of work matters? And I think playing in those big moments, the way he plays matters, and he runs the offense as prescribed, But I don't think have to do as much as Jane Daniels does. Jane Daiels's natural arm, talent and his blaita runs probably a little bit better than Hurts. But if Daniels does it a second year in a row, I think I would be comfortable putting him at five. I really do. I think his his ability and his talent can transcend that organization we saw we did in year one. He's got to see it in year two because we often see that that sophomore slump. It happens with Stroud last season. But I think Daniels can end this season like he did last season. I think he probably passes Hurts. But for right now, I think that's there's no problem putting Hurts five. To me, you have to taking consideration the actual results, right like people put talent, arm town, all those things ahead of results when it matters. Most Hurts wins a lot of games, which isn't a stat, right, but he plays well in those big moments, which which is important to me when when you write these quarterbacks.

Okay? I had this discussion day on what podcast I did, So if you were to pick the fifth quarterback that it's probably NFC quarterback where you take in Jayden Daniels or Jalen Hurts, right, because if you look at at body of work, I think Jalen Hurts certainly deserves that right. But there are times largely when he can just be a backseat quarterback. Right. They run the football really well. You know, he doesn't have to pass the ball. Terribly much, and we've seen in actually up until that Super Bowl, a lot of the playoff wins were not stat padding games. Some Hurts Now, the super Bowl was incredible, so you have to sort of take any consideration where he played really well. And by the way, he played really well in the Super Bowl that they lost too, So he's played well in both those games. And you look at Jane Daniels what he did as a rookie season, I would give Hurts probably the slight edge that do you think body of work matters? And I think playing in those big moments, the way he plays matters, and he runs the offense as prescribed, But I don't think have to do as much as Jane Daniels does. Jane Daiels's natural arm, talent and his blaita runs probably a little bit better than Hurts. But if Daniels does it a second year in a row, I think I would be comfortable putting him at five. I really do. I think his his ability and his talent can transcend that organization we saw we did in year one. He's got to see it in year two because we often see that that sophomore slump. It happens with Stroud last season. But I think Daniels can end this season like he did last season. I think he probably passes Hurts. But for right now, I think that's there's no problem putting Hurts five. To me, you have to taking consideration the actual results, right like people put talent, arm town, all those things ahead of results when it matters. Most Hurts wins a lot of games, which isn't a stat, right, but he plays well in those big moments, which which is important to me when when you write these quarterbacks.

All right, Jeff Schwartz, Fox NFL Analysts, he's got a podcast.

All right, Jeff Schwartz, Fox NFL Analysts, he's got a podcast.

I mean, he's everywhere. He's great at gambling. Jeff and Jordan North Carolina, man, have a great summer.

I mean, he's everywhere. He's great at gambling. Jeff and Jordan North Carolina, man, have a great summer.

Thank you, buddy.

Thank you, buddy.

Take care all right, Jeff Schwartz, good stuff, all right?

Take care all right, Jeff Schwartz, good stuff, all right?

Coming up next, wait until you see the craz easiest moment of the weekend in Major League Baseball did not involve Yankees or Dodgers, but it's crazy.

Coming up next, wait until you see the craz easiest moment of the weekend in Major League Baseball did not involve Yankees or Dodgers, but it's crazy.

Nonetheless, Alex will have that for you.

Nonetheless, Alex will have that for you.

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Sunday it's the UFL Playoffs as Michigan battles to Benny Champion Birmingham at free eastern on ABC, then at six eastern on Fox. DC takes on Saint Louis the UFL Conference Championships this Sunday on ABC and Fox.

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All right, let's go to Alice with the moon.

All right, let's go to Alice with the moon.

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No no, no.

Turn on the noos. This is the herd line news.

Turn on the noos. This is the herd line news.

All right, J Mack, you tease this before the break, but look at this Ray shortstop Taylor Walls disagrees with the strike ball. Now it looks low in a way, but he has a conversation with the homeplate umpire.

All right, J Mack, you tease this before the break, but look at this Ray shortstop Taylor Walls disagrees with the strike ball. Now it looks low in a way, but he has a conversation with the homeplate umpire.

They clearly disagree.

They clearly disagree.

Then Wall step back into the batter's box and Peyko's attention. Walls taps the helmet a few times as he steps back in, and the umpire adjects him because the thought is this is similar to the move that signifies a challenge in the minor leagues, and the ump took it as disrespect. After the game, Wall said he was not trying to show up the ump but was ejected anyway. A couple thoughts here say to leave their egos out the door. It's it's not about you. But honestly, I love this passion. I love when players get heated in baseball and you kind of get we don't see a lot of brawls, but we see the benches clear, we see the bullpens clear. That was he shouldn't have gotten ejected for that.

Then Wall step back into the batter's box and Peyko's attention. Walls taps the helmet a few times as he steps back in, and the umpire adjects him because the thought is this is similar to the move that signifies a challenge in the minor leagues, and the ump took it as disrespect. After the game, Wall said he was not trying to show up the ump but was ejected anyway. A couple thoughts here say to leave their egos out the door. It's it's not about you. But honestly, I love this passion. I love when players get heated in baseball and you kind of get we don't see a lot of brawls, but we see the benches clear, we see the bullpens clear. That was he shouldn't have gotten ejected for that.

We know again because he does he does.

We know again because he does he does.

He doesn't tap tap tamel. It's that so tap tap tap in the minors that signifies challenge.

He doesn't tap tap tamel. It's that so tap tap tap in the minors that signifies challenge.

Was intentional by him.

Was intentional by him.

Well, I mean, you can't challenge. You can't challenge balls and strikes in the major league, so it doesn't matter, and he wasn't.

Well, I mean, you can't challenge. You can't challenge balls and strikes in the major league, so it doesn't matter, and he wasn't.

Like it's just hard because if you.

Like it's just hard because if you.

Argue balls and strikes you can very easily be ejected.

Argue balls and strikes you can very easily be ejected.

I don't think this.

I don't think this.

I mean, obviously he's superheated after and as a one run run ball game in the ninth Like, yeah, so it was a big moment.

I mean, obviously he's superheated after and as a one run run ball game in the ninth Like, yeah, so it was a big moment.

In the game.

In the game.

Let me ask you, but when you're in an argument with someone, yeah, in real irl or online nicely, if you fly off the handle, yeah, usually you're in the wrong and overcompensating because you know you're wrong, but.

Let me ask you, but when you're in an argument with someone, yeah, in real irl or online nicely, if you fly off the handle, yeah, usually you're in the wrong and overcompensating because you know you're wrong, but.

Not intentionally, if that makes any sense.

Not intentionally, if that makes any sense.

Yeah, but this was after Like I think that he got an intentional tap. It could have been, but like it doesn't matter and it can't mean anything. He can't do anything.

Yeah, but this was after Like I think that he got an intentional tap. It could have been, but like it doesn't matter and it can't mean anything. He can't do anything.

He was doing it as a as a bleep beautity official, right because he rubs the.

He was doing it as a as a bleep beautity official, right because he rubs the.

Helmet then does the tap.

Helmet then does the tap.

Yeah, while looking at him now he's I read his quotes because.

Yeah, while looking at him now he's I read his quotes because.

This is fascinating. Yeah, I read the quotes. I don't have a problem with really demeanor.

This is fascinating. Yeah, I read the quotes. I don't have a problem with really demeanor.

I don't have a problem with it. He didn't say anything you didn't like pop off at him.

I don't have a problem with it. He didn't say anything you didn't like pop off at him.

He didn't say anything out like after.

He didn't say anything out like after.

This is after he got ejected. This is after. I'm saying before to get injected, that was aggressive, that that run back had had.

This is after he got ejected. This is after. I'm saying before to get injected, that was aggressive, that that run back had had.

Some fire, and look at that.

Some fire, and look at that.

Yes, well that's firing. But I love that. But you see that with managers and players in baseball, like that's part of the game, is getting in their face and and getting heated.

Yes, well that's firing. But I love that. But you see that with managers and players in baseball, like that's part of the game, is getting in their face and and getting heated.

I'm on a men's league team with Matt Liner, and I had a guy who got very angry with me.

I'm on a men's league team with Matt Liner, and I had a guy who got very angry with me.

Oh and he got irrational and one of these moves and someone hold the bag.

Oh and he got irrational and one of these moves and someone hold the bag.

I held him back, and I was standing there, like the best thing you can do is smile and admits.

I held him back, and I was standing there, like the best thing you can do is smile and admits.

He was in the wrong.

He was in the wrong.

Yeah, I think this guy admits a man I saw him for my love. He's probably gonnaet suspended.

Yeah, I think this guy admits a man I saw him for my love. He's probably gonnaet suspended.

For this, right, I don't know.

For this, right, I don't know.

That's irrational behavior.

That's irrational behavior.

No one hit, there was no contact.

No one hit, there was no contact.

Right.

Right.

You can get ejected. You can get ejected. I don't I don't know. I don't think it's that big of a deal. I love seeing the passion.

You can get ejected. You can get ejected. I don't I don't know. I don't think it's that big of a deal. I love seeing the passion.

Get my only baseball story from Dodgers Yankees so danger citing Adam Sandler was writing, rest of my kid is, Oh my god, Sandler the at a Dodgers Yankees game.

Get my only baseball story from Dodgers Yankees so danger citing Adam Sandler was writing, rest of my kid is, Oh my god, Sandler the at a Dodgers Yankees game.

He's the bat.

He's the bat.

I almost asked him to play pick up hoops with me, but that's.

I almost asked him to play pick up hoops with me, but that's.

Too much best like he's I've met him at a couple events. He's like one of those guys that's like as rad as you would dream he would be in real life.

Too much best like he's I've met him at a couple events. He's like one of those guys that's like as rad as you would dream he would be in real life.

Yeah, I don't know, I dream big fan.

Yeah, I don't know, I dream big fan.

Well you both well no, no, no, no, you both like celebrities that you like they're as cool in real life. That's what I meant. I'm like, I hope he's as school like Will Ferrell, as cool in real life, like the coolest.

Well you both well no, no, no, no, you both like celebrities that you like they're as cool in real life. That's what I meant. I'm like, I hope he's as school like Will Ferrell, as cool in real life, like the coolest.

What about the general sisters?

What about the general sisters?

When I meet you, I don't know, I haven't met them. You are fascinated. He is he is the hottest game in Hollywood. Okay, let's switch to the NFL. The Bengals UH defense couldn't stop a nosebleed last year, but Joe Burrow isn't letting that be an excuse for the team struggles. Despite being a fringe MVP candidate, Burrow said he's the reason Cincinnati missed the postseason.

When I meet you, I don't know, I haven't met them. You are fascinated. He is he is the hottest game in Hollywood. Okay, let's switch to the NFL. The Bengals UH defense couldn't stop a nosebleed last year, but Joe Burrow isn't letting that be an excuse for the team struggles. Despite being a fringe MVP candidate, Burrow said he's the reason Cincinnati missed the postseason.

Take a listen.

Take a listen.

I played even better than we wouldn't have been in that spot that we were in. So I'm just focused on trying to get better myself, and you know, I know everybody in lockery it feels the same way. If I go out there and play better than I did last year, then it doesn't matter what goes on everywhere else.

I played even better than we wouldn't have been in that spot that we were in. So I'm just focused on trying to get better myself, and you know, I know everybody in lockery it feels the same way. If I go out there and play better than I did last year, then it doesn't matter what goes on everywhere else.

That's some amazing accountability. But he wasn't the issue pro had. He had an MVP caliber season. He was in the conversation. He had the stats. The issue is the start of the season. They are one and eleven in weeks one and two. In Burrow's career, that can't happen. You can't start the season that bad. But their defense, like, so, yeah, that's what let them down. Last year.

That's some amazing accountability. But he wasn't the issue pro had. He had an MVP caliber season. He was in the conversation. He had the stats. The issue is the start of the season. They are one and eleven in weeks one and two. In Burrow's career, that can't happen. You can't start the season that bad. But their defense, like, so, yeah, that's what let them down. Last year.

He led the league in completion.

He led the league in completion.

Yes, interesting, but you gotta like hats off to that accountability. He's the leader of the team.

Yes, interesting, but you gotta like hats off to that accountability. He's the leader of the team.

He was saying, I'll take the full out.

He was saying, I'll take the full out.

It's my physic.

It's my physic.

Is it being accountable because he wasn't the problem.

Is it being accountable because he wasn't the problem.

He wasn't the problem asking other people's problem. No, he's not calling he's not calling teammates out, he's not calling the defense out. He's saying, Okay, I'm the leader of this team. I can be better.

He wasn't the problem asking other people's problem. No, he's not calling he's not calling teammates out, he's not calling the defense out. He's saying, Okay, I'm the leader of this team. I can be better.

I don't, Alex, I don't know that.

I don't, Alex, I don't know that.

I agree with that.

I agree with that.

He's not the problem.

He's not the problem.

He's not the problem.

He's not the problem.

At some point, don't leaders have to call out other people?

At some point, don't leaders have to call out other people?

Not publicly, but he can like behind the scenes when he's talking to him. Yeah, So that's why I don't have a problem with this. Again, it's great accountability. We don't normally see that.

Not publicly, but he can like behind the scenes when he's talking to him. Yeah, So that's why I don't have a problem with this. Again, it's great accountability. We don't normally see that.

We have a Bengals fan on staff.

We have a Bengals fan on staff.

I wonder if he wish Burrow would call out that defense or.

I wonder if he wish Burrow would call out that defense or.

Mag made it obvious. Everybody knows. You saw he was putting up the numbers and the defense couldn't call him off.

Mag made it obvious. Everybody knows. You saw he was putting up the numbers and the defense couldn't call him off.

Is being political?

Is being political?

You have behind the scenes do it.

You have behind the scenes do it.

I think at some point there's a breaking for where you're just like, listen, I've had enough of this, well, if it.

I think at some point there's a breaking for where you're just like, listen, I've had enough of this, well, if it.

Happens again, if they lose, what if they lose first two games again, my season playoff?

Happens again, if they lose, what if they lose first two games again, my season playoff?

That's better freaking roll.

That's better freaking roll.

They need to they need to. All right, let's wrap things up with Lion center Frank Ragnow has announced his retirement from the NFL. Rag Noow was a four time pro bowler in seven NFL seasons. After he was a first round pick out of Arkansas. He played sixteen games and was a second team All Pro selection last season. Now, I've reached out to a couple of my Lions people just to kind of get their insight on this. First being our NFL on Fox writer and my co host on Fox Sports Saturday, Cartmen Vitally, who covered NFC North and now does like all the NFL, but she said she was a little surprised because he's played through so many injuries and he's only missed four games in the last three seasons, and he is literally the backbone of this team, so there is a little bit of a concern for a regression now. And then I also reached out to Cynthia Freeland, NFL Networks analytics expert, to ask her, like, what are the numbers now, because they were top ranked offensive line, top ranked scoring offense. Like, how much does this actually affect their numbers now? And she said it's not great. She still thinks they're going to be a top ten offensive line, but not one, two, three or four. But it's it's not great all around. When you have a new offensive coordinator, you have the toughest schedule in the league, and you lose a Hall of Fame center. Yeah, so I mean it's it's a lot.

They need to they need to. All right, let's wrap things up with Lion center Frank Ragnow has announced his retirement from the NFL. Rag Noow was a four time pro bowler in seven NFL seasons. After he was a first round pick out of Arkansas. He played sixteen games and was a second team All Pro selection last season. Now, I've reached out to a couple of my Lions people just to kind of get their insight on this. First being our NFL on Fox writer and my co host on Fox Sports Saturday, Cartmen Vitally, who covered NFC North and now does like all the NFL, but she said she was a little surprised because he's played through so many injuries and he's only missed four games in the last three seasons, and he is literally the backbone of this team, so there is a little bit of a concern for a regression now. And then I also reached out to Cynthia Freeland, NFL Networks analytics expert, to ask her, like, what are the numbers now, because they were top ranked offensive line, top ranked scoring offense. Like, how much does this actually affect their numbers now? And she said it's not great. She still thinks they're going to be a top ten offensive line, but not one, two, three or four. But it's it's not great all around. When you have a new offensive coordinator, you have the toughest schedule in the league, and you lose a Hall of Fame center. Yeah, so I mean it's it's a lot.

It's a big one. Golf cannot be thrilled.

It's a big one. Golf cannot be thrilled.

And again, no, they didn't know this before the draft, which would have helped. You know, this guy they drafted out, I called it up the stats, the kid from Georgia, Yeah, has never played center in his career. At Georgia, you played into your line, and so it's like that transition.

And again, no, they didn't know this before the draft, which would have helped. You know, this guy they drafted out, I called it up the stats, the kid from Georgia, Yeah, has never played center in his career. At Georgia, you played into your line, and so it's like that transition.

Okay, it could work, but it's they were.

Okay, it could work, but it's they were.

Might of known because I guess he kind of hinted at it at the Pro Bowl, like hinted that retirement be a thing. But you don't know until like you, like, he probably tried to ramp up. He's been dealing and playing through a lot of injuries and then your body just like you can't do it. You take such a beating. You touch every single ball and every single play on offense at center. So it's like but.

Might of known because I guess he kind of hinted at it at the Pro Bowl, like hinted that retirement be a thing. But you don't know until like you, like, he probably tried to ramp up. He's been dealing and playing through a lot of injuries and then your body just like you can't do it. You take such a beating. You touch every single ball and every single play on offense at center. So it's like but.

Like the Chiefs didn't go and I think draft a tight end high or anything.

Like the Chiefs didn't go and I think draft a tight end high or anything.

Because they maybe got word from Kelsey. I'm getting back. I'm close to the end, but I'm coming back.

Because they maybe got word from Kelsey. I'm getting back. I'm close to the end, but I'm coming back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All this guy had to do to be a guys eighty twenty I ain't come.

All this guy had to do to be a guys eighty twenty I ain't come.

But he also could have thought he was coming back and then his body just couldn't do it anymore.

But he also could have thought he was coming back and then his body just couldn't do it anymore.

Again, I'm not blaming Rag now. Yeah, this is a catastrophic loss.

Again, I'm not blaming Rag now. Yeah, this is a catastrophic loss.

This is a huge loss. This will significantly affect the Lions now.

This is a huge loss. This will significantly affect the Lions now.

Yeah, and I know people will listening to this are like, come on, it's a center.

Yeah, and I know people will listening to this are like, come on, it's a center.

You are a strong tackle, the most important.

You are a strong tackle, the most important.

Yes it is, you know, Alex a.

Yes it is, you know, Alex a.

Big Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.

Big Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News.

Earlier today, we had Frank I solo on and I asked him do the Knicks need to go after Giannis? Because you know Jay Max out here patients. Here's what Frank had to say about the Knicks chasing Giannis.

Earlier today, we had Frank I solo on and I asked him do the Knicks need to go after Giannis? Because you know Jay Max out here patients. Here's what Frank had to say about the Knicks chasing Giannis.

Well, I can trust Durant in the playoffs, especially offensively, even defensively. I really do think it's about a two to three year window with a lot of these guys, and when you haven't won a championship seventy three, and I think with Kevin Durant out there, and I think Kevin Durant will be rejuvenated. When a guy like of that status hasn't appeared in a postseason game this season, he's going to be hungry to get back there. And I think Kevin Durant would come in with the right attitude. I think he would like the serious of the NIXT program. You know, Tom Thibodeau, Jalen Brunson. I think he fit in perfectly. Is it a gamble one hundred percent because of his age and the injury factors, but it's something that I certainly would consider.

Well, I can trust Durant in the playoffs, especially offensively, even defensively. I really do think it's about a two to three year window with a lot of these guys, and when you haven't won a championship seventy three, and I think with Kevin Durant out there, and I think Kevin Durant will be rejuvenated. When a guy like of that status hasn't appeared in a postseason game this season, he's going to be hungry to get back there. And I think Kevin Durant would come in with the right attitude. I think he would like the serious of the NIXT program. You know, Tom Thibodeau, Jalen Brunson. I think he fit in perfectly. Is it a gamble one hundred percent because of his age and the injury factors, but it's something that I certainly would consider.

Yeah, that was actually a KD swap for Cat that I floated. Frank likes the honest idea, but it seems mission impossible KD is attainable. And then the question comes, what's your window adding a guy who turns thirty seven in September, who has a rich injury history since the Achilles tear in Toronto in the NBA Finals, do you make a move for Kevin Durant. I'm kind of saying no right now now. If the price is right, you know, I don't have to give a Karl Anthony Towns and whatever else. But again, I don't even know that the Suns would want Karl Anthony Towns. It's weird. We're in a strange phase in the NBA right now where you don't want to be in the middle. You want to bought him out. And when you bought him out, get your star out and go after an SGA Halliburton, those two guys were acquired by the Pacers and Thunder when they were making big moves that we've got to change it up. Just getting like a bunch of lottery picks ain't gonna do it. You know, you need a young star. And that's why the team that I think, and we're seeing the Toronto Raptors being floated for y honest, I keep coming back to the team that's gonna get him Jannis is probably the Houston Rockets because they have one of the best young players in the league in Aman Thompson.

Yeah, that was actually a KD swap for Cat that I floated. Frank likes the honest idea, but it seems mission impossible KD is attainable. And then the question comes, what's your window adding a guy who turns thirty seven in September, who has a rich injury history since the Achilles tear in Toronto in the NBA Finals, do you make a move for Kevin Durant. I'm kind of saying no right now now. If the price is right, you know, I don't have to give a Karl Anthony Towns and whatever else. But again, I don't even know that the Suns would want Karl Anthony Towns. It's weird. We're in a strange phase in the NBA right now where you don't want to be in the middle. You want to bought him out. And when you bought him out, get your star out and go after an SGA Halliburton, those two guys were acquired by the Pacers and Thunder when they were making big moves that we've got to change it up. Just getting like a bunch of lottery picks ain't gonna do it. You know, you need a young star. And that's why the team that I think, and we're seeing the Toronto Raptors being floated for y honest, I keep coming back to the team that's gonna get him Jannis is probably the Houston Rockets because they have one of the best young players in the league in Aman Thompson.

Now will they part with him, that's another story.

Now will they part with him, that's another story.

But it's gonna be an interesting offseason and I will add for as much as there's Jannie kd some Jaron Jackson chatter, maybe they'll get back to Zion chatter once his legal stuff get through. It definitely feels like this is gonna be a very heavy movement summer in the NBA. Now, I don't know if that's going to result in what we saw with Kawhi going to the Clippers and Kadi and Kyrie to the Nets. It's probably not gonna get that crazy, but I certainly think we're going to see a lot of moves here this summer, so a lot to talk about coming up this summer.

But it's gonna be an interesting offseason and I will add for as much as there's Jannie kd some Jaron Jackson chatter, maybe they'll get back to Zion chatter once his legal stuff get through. It definitely feels like this is gonna be a very heavy movement summer in the NBA. Now, I don't know if that's going to result in what we saw with Kawhi going to the Clippers and Kadi and Kyrie to the Nets. It's probably not gonna get that crazy, but I certainly think we're going to see a lot of moves here this summer, so a lot to talk about coming up this summer.

Monday is in the books.

Monday is in the books.

We will be back here tomorrow, Alex and I see that

We will be back here tomorrow, Alex and I see that