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Drama. You've seen that Lakerland drama. Kyrie, this are you doing this story? Are you doing this one?
We are doing a little Lakers.
I'll hold on.
I don't know if it's the one you're looking at, but.
The Lebron camp upset.
Oh boy, we're not doing that, but we that's probably leads the show.
Tom, that's a big one. Go ahead, fire away, let's do it.
No wait, oh wait, oh wait, you sure power hour, Come on, buddy. It's just there's always drama with Lebron in his camp. There's just so much ego. It's oh, it's like, Lebron, come on, I want to put my arms around you, it says here. Lebron's camp took notice of how quickly the Lakers traded picks to appease Luca Dantag because he's going into his prime for the next ten years. Take care of him. It's Hollywood. He's a rising star. Lebron came to LA was an older player. It wasn't the same and he's been great, but you have ten more prime years arguably of Luca. You had seen Lebron's prime at the time he came to LA. It's a different environment, it says. What is clear is that Dantach will have us say and it wasn't lost on James Camp. Rob Polinka prioritize Luca's involvement and immediately engaged in the Mark Williams trade. Can you just be happy that Lucas showed up? Can we just be happy? Is that you got young and dynamic? So I mean Past the Baton, It's Lucas franchise, Past the Baton.
So I do play, you know, I play a lot of hoops and a lot of these guys in pickup talking to them and they are like, Jay Mac, you know where Lebron's going next year? Right, He's not gonna be happy with this Lucas stuff. He's gonna go to Dallas and play with Kyrie and ad You watch and I was like, I.
Don't think he's gonna leave.
But then you see stuff like this, and this is this week of Aaron Rodgers complaining nobody drafts a receiver for me.
Remember in Green Day, it's.
Like Lebron, the league is catered to your every whim. They drafted your son, who is a six to two non point guard. On every turn, the league has to pamper you. It's like, and I wanna support Lebron because I think he's been good for the league, but it's like, you're at the end of your career. They drafted Browny. Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna give Luca huge. Say. By the way, not only are they giving Luca huge, say, they need a big. They're a terrible rebounding team. I mean, right now the Lakers are twenty six and rebounding like they needed a big they had to get things going. Just it's just this tedium, this need to constantly be pandered.
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We got to continue to hit the Eagles every hour because they are Super Bowl champs, dethrone the Chiefs. However, however, there is a question about if Kellen Moore is gonna return as OC next year or take the Saints head coaching job. Amid all the celebration, last night, Nick Sirianni made a public pitch to his OC to return for another season.
Well, Vick's been a great coordinator in this league for decades and he was awesome today. Tell him you, let's run this.
Let's run this back, Kelly, let's run this battle.
My guess is he doesn't return. Right Well, Kellen's taking the Saints show. I think everybody thinks that never didn't the Rams hire like Weed Phillips is their defensive coordinator way back now old defensive coordinat sticks.
Around, not looking for another job. I think that's the new model defensively.
I don't know what you do with these offensive guys because the second they have success, Shane Psyche.
Gone, Kellen Moore gone. Well, I mean I think it's some you date, some you marry. I mean, if you get two great years, have a coordinator and it helps your team, hopefully you can take some of his brilliants when he leaves.
Ben Johnson in Detroit.
Yeah, Ben Johnson leaves. If I'm the new coordinator, I take Ben's playbook. I'm like, eh. I mean, although proximity to greatness doesn't equal greatness. If you get somebody like Nick saban is a young coach on the Cleveland Brown staff, take the gift, be a sponge, be willing to take everything you can out of a great young coach like Ben Johnson. Take a lot of his playbook. Nothing wrong with that. I mean, you're not going to keep talented people in any industry unless you know if you're paying him a ton and their number one. But at a lot of people, not all people, by the way, but there's just a lot of people. A lot of receivers want to be ones and paid like ones, even though they may be to So you just have to. But I think I'm not gonna not hire a guy and go listen, I love him, but he may leave me. Well that's what I want. I I've lost a lot of producers in my day. Well they were good. I'd better have a good producer that leaves than a mediocre producer.
I think I know how you feel, all right, let's go to that the next story. Tyreek Hill, Colin. You remember at the end of the season, He's like, get me out of here, I'm done.
Peace.
Well, he has now apologized quietly. On Friday, Tyree made it clear he.
Wants to stick around in miamm toy.
He's another competitor. He's a hell of a competitor. A lot of people don't know that he's a winner. He's consistent. So I'm looking forward to, you know, just us continuing to build our relationship and even more.
I love it. And this is my public Is that what that is? Please?
This is my public apology to you to I love you.
Bro.
There you go. I like that, steps up and says, hey, that was a little hard in my bad. I'm okay with that.
You know what I do. If I'm TUA what I go right to Mike McDaniel, Hey can we trade him?
Now?
Can we can we ship him?
I trade him for a left tackle in a heartbeat.
I mean to obviously needs to a guy like Tyreek Hill, but I don't know. He's getting up close up there in age and he's always something with this guy. Left tackle is not a bad IDEA defensive end pass Rusher gets something. But Tyreek Hill you can win with Waddle, right, I mean they didn't win with Tyreek last year.
I don't know. I would, I would move on, but I'm in the minority on that.
One final story, Colin is to the NBA, UH and the Lakers. They play tonight and they will not have rim running center Mark Williams, who they thought they.
Had pain at the trade deadline.
Oh, look at these Mark Williams highlights, just drop step and hammering on people.
First it was the Lakers had the Chris Paul deal done in the NBA said no, And now they had this done and the doctors said no. Yeah, this is a this is a tough loss for the now. In fairness, uh, Lakers are nine and one in their last ten without him. And Mark Williams misses a lot of games.
He does, He's he's never I thowt Polinka say he's never had a surgery, but he's always banged up in some way.
He's missed. Mark Williams has missed forty four more games in his career that he's played. But yeah, but I will say this, he was exactly what they needed in terms of stylistically long dynamic that they they just they will not defend the rim. They're they're a bad rebounding team and they're Luke at it and play defense. They're gonna be a bad Now. They did get Dalton connect bag.
Yeah, that's a big win.
I know we love Connect four here, but last year with Lively and Gafford in Dallas catching lobs from Luca and then protecting.
The rim, you need one. Now they're gonna look at the buyout market. I don't know. There is a world where the Lakers kind.
Of got off good here not making the trade because Mark Mark Williams is often injured and they keep the draft pick, which I know Lebron doesn't Carre.
But here's my thing.
I would agree with you if the trade deadline was a week away. Yeah, but now this is what they are now, Well there's.
The buyout market, and you know somebody could say, hey, I'm not playing you guys aren't contending? Can I just like Nick Claxton with Brooklyn?
Okay, right, so what's he doing on Brooklyn?
Like he could?
The Lakers could use him now. I don't know if that can happen, but I guess the other big.
Story I don't know much about the buyout market.
Yeah, you know, we need one of these capologists to chime in and say, you know, I guess some of these stars can on that start.
But Ben Simmons is going to the nets and being like, hey, we're not going anywhere.
Can I go play for a guy I don't want Ben Simmons?
Well, the Lakers.
Is there any good players in the buy out market? Like good players?
Well, we'll see. We'll see who gets bought out. But I don't know.
Luca expected to make his debut tonight against the Jazz.
A buyout market sounds like a used car lot, That's what it sounds.
Pretty much.
Javal McGhee may you know, he's like thirty eight or whatever. But they do have Austin Reeve still, and I do need to remind everyone he will. They're five seven and seven, And you scoffed at me when I said he's better than Mark.
The legendary kids.
It's not even close.
I mean, Austin Reeves forty five seven and seven. Mark Price is maybe the most underrated player in league history.
Significantly underrated, very good.
But I'm just telling you, Austin Reeves, I love this guy. And now you keep Dalton connect. The Lakers have three white guys who are like could be pivotal, Luca, Reeves and Connect.
All I know is Dalton, Connect, Reeves, local Lebron. There'll be a very good offensive team. Oh the other things you watch the Celtics beat the Knicks. I watched every second of that thing. Oh wow, Yeah, Boston at messing around.
Well when they.
Need to turn it up, they can't bustin. They're kind of going like the Chiefs this year. I know they were fifteen to two, but they went through the motions. Remember they weren't killing a lot of people.
I watched them play the next twice and they have hammer the next wise.
Also true, Knicks need to avoid them in the playoffs. I'd rather face Cleveland than Boston.
Early on J Mack with the news.
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the news.
By the way, Mark Cuban had a funny exchange with Bill Gates over the weekend on the Luca trade.
If after you left Microsoft you found out that Steve Balmer traded Windows eleven like the new hot operating system for Windows ten the Hall of Fame, but older up there, what.
Would you do, I might have to hide.
From the product.
Yeah, listen, it was think about this two weeks ago. Did you have this two team parlay Luca to the Lakers, Chiefs trail thirty four nothing? I mean think it is hard to wrap your brains around Kansas City behind thirty four to nothing. For years and years, the AFC has been better at the top than the NFC. You watch Philadelphia, You're like, maybe maybe tides of turning. Jaden Daniels Philadelphia Detroit. I don't know, just things to think about. Lakers play tonight for the Rector. They've won nine of ten. Lebron's last one and a half point favorites tonight. You will Lebron Lebron's last ten games. He's been great. I mean, Reeves connect Lebron, Luca. They'll score, Ruie, they'll score.
Do you think they could go to the NBA fun, No, No.
They could. I think with Mark Williams healthy, they could have Mark Williams. Not that he has the same style. He reminds me remember when the Celtics had Robert Williams and when they were playing the Warriors and Robert Williams went healthy, was a huge problem for the Warriors, like they just couldn't score at the rim, and in that series he got banged up. You could just I think he's in Portland now. You could never You could never trade Robert Williams, I think from Texas, A and m incredibly athletic rim protector. You just he wasn't healthy very often.
That's it.
He could be a buyout candidate because they got Aton, they got the young kid from Gonzaga Klingon, who's like seven two, and then they got Robert Williams.
Not a bad buyout market.
Look at you. You didn't know about the buyout market five minutes ago.
You turn up a buy out market. But I don't know who's on idea. Yea rent a center, that's what they need, rent a center.
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College Oops.
Friday at eight eastern, UCLA takes on Old Warballo and Indiana in a primetime Big ten battle.
Bloomington is supposed to be a great college town. Yeah, I supposed to be.
I took the points with unc tonight against Clemson.
Any interest no, okay in watching it or Betty Well Cletson just be Duke. So obviously there'll be a pullback, and I think UNC can cover or beat them strikes.
So I'm just thinking about this. You and I don't want to overreact, right, Like, Okay, Mahomes got blown out again in the super Bowl. But let's just say I was your top sales guy. You run the company, and I'm like, I'm your top sales and you know, there's this annual big meeting, heads of state meeting, and I've been in five of them, and two of them I've been atrocious. Three of them I've been pretty good, not great, but pretty good. Two I've been atrocious. Well that's who I am. If Jimmy Garoppolo hits one pass in a Super Bowl against Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes is two and three in Super Bowls. He has twice been overwhelmed. He was awful yesterday. He had no second pitch. He was absolutely awful. You can blame everybody you want in protection.
He was bad.
I'm trying to think of a quarterback I've ever seen it was that bad in the Super Bowl. I don't think I've ever seen how Peyton Manning was bad against the Seahawks. But Peyton's not a guy that had a lot of mobility. I mean, Mahomes does have gears and ability to run around. And if you go look at Tom Brady and Mahomes their Super Bowl performances, and again Tom played a team like the Eagles, it was called the Seahawks, and he beat them. Now, Malcolm Butler made the interception, but Tom trailed in that game and kept battling and battling and battling. Tom Brady is a little like Derek Jeter. He was always really really really good. Even in the Super Bowls, he was really, really really good. Mahomes has been a bad Super Bowl quarterback. Ten touchdown, seven picks, eighty six passer rating. That's with two weeks to prepare. And Andy Reid. If you gave Brady Andy Reid and you gave Mahomes, Bellichick and Josh McDaniels, what would Brady's numbers be? And I go back to those interviews we had with Tom Brady on Friday. They were so good, and I know you say, hey, don't you know, let's not make too much of the game. I got five Super Bowls now, and Mahomes has not been great. In any of them. Now, he's made great plays in those Super Bowls, but he has not been well Colin, what did he have to work with? Well, what did Brady have to work with in his first run? They didn't have much to work with. Then he won, He won three Super Bowls. It's something. I mean, it's I mean. Shady McCoy came on earlier today on the gap between Brady and Mahomes.
Before this game, I was a big guy saying, hey, this gap is closer than which people think. Right, and all the success that Pat Maholmes has been doing lately the team and I played with Pat, you know, so I know him and him and Tom had shared that same winning gene.
Okay, I'm gonna get it done.
He's moving so much.
And you throwing picks, sixes and etcetera, and throwing picks. So when I look at Tom Brady where Okay, things are not going my way, they're not blocking the same way. I gotta do something. I can't just sit here and get blown blown out. I'm the greatest, and Tom would never had a game like this because he was the found ways. Okay, we don't up to the running backs, right, We're gonna make this game as boring as possible. Now, we're gonna get a home buch second and five's right, second and six, and we're gonna make this game manageable.
Yeah. Tom was very good at winning a hand without great cards. That's what he was really good at. And remember, New England could not draft a wide receiver the entire time Tom twenty years was in New England. Edelman was a college quarterback who developed into an excellent receiver. They couldn't draft a wide receiver to save their life. They had a defensive coach, they got some nice tight ends. Gronk was obviously amazing, the late Aaron Hernandez. But if you look at New England, they always had more great defensive players than offensive players. And Brady figured out a way to make James White out of Wisconsin an incredible threat in a Super Bowl and incredible threat in playoff runs. Edelman was a college quarterback at Kent State. I mean Wes Welker was known before he got when he was in Miami, is like, he's a really good punt returner. So I mean Brady took Dion Branch and Wes Welker and Edelman and a lot of huge parts, and then when he did get Randy Moss, he broke every NFL record right Like he was just explosive. So I don't think it's being too harsh on Mahomes to go, dude, I got five Super Bowls against a bunch of different coaches, and you haven't been you haven't been great. You've had great moments, but it just it bothered me, the lack of kind of second pitch. Matt Hasselback earlier on mahomes struggles last night.
Clearly he did not have a great day, and that's sports, and that happens. But it is a team sport and so like, yes, the legacy and all that kind of thing, but there were moments when he was trying to put the team on his back. And again I just think like pass protection is huge, the turnovers and then guys playing like really like we're just beating ourselves, We're laid off the ball, we're dropping passes, we're having penalties. Where it just was it was just not there night. I don't know, I don't know what all went into that, but that was an unrecognizable team to me.
And Jay Mack. I wanted to throw this at you so over the last let's say, you know Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Mahomes, we felt like the AFC was the conference of maybe better coaching, but absolutely better quarterbacks. That's why it's I mean, I think this year I went four for four and visions the AFC has become the easier conference to predict, whereas Jalen Hurts is the only quarterback in the NFC in the last eleven years to go to two Super Bowls. Like right, like it's you. Every year you get a different quarterback in the Super Bowl. From the NFC, it's a harder division, harder conference to predict. AFC is pretty easy. But you start looking at the NFC. Now, Jayden Daniels, there's no mistaking he's gonna be a playoff quarterback. And Jalen Hurts now with this roster that's a playoff quarterback. Can Caleb Williams hit And I wonder if we have a little bit of a pendulum swing, is that Whereas the AFC was the conference of quarterbacks, the NFC in the last seven eight years, San Francisco, Philly, Detroit had the better rosters. San Francisco had about a five year stretch that was the best roster Philadelphia now last three years, that's the best roster. Detroit's probably second best the last several years. So there's been a it's been like the the NFC, Niners, Eagles, Lions, those are the best rosters. Those are better than Kansas City's wrong.
You think a lot of that has to do with the AFC guys paying their quarterbacks and having to pare back.
No, I go back on the offensive line offense.
I think it's AFC teams just hitting on them, and then some of it's luck. I mean, we didn't nobody thought Jayden Daniels would be this good.
But hold on, are you willing to put Jalen Hurts in that category with the Big Four, the Fantastic four, whatever you want.
To call it? No, I'm not, No, I'm not again. You did this with Rock Purty contextualized Rock Party when he had all these guys and Kyle Shanahan in their prime, were closer to their prime, he looked great. If you put Jalen Hurts on Carolina with a terrible old line, does he look like this? No, he's not a great pocket. When you have four beats one thousand and one, one thousand and two.
My only problem with that, Colin, You could do that with.
Every Joe Montana without Jerry Rice and John Taylor and Bill Wats Like.
I don't want to do that.
I need to ask you based on what these guys have accomplished.
I don't see why Hurts isn't in that category. If you don't want to put him top four, say at least make him.
You don't want to talk about it. That is the only discussion as a GM. That is it, Jimmy Garoppolo, Let's resign him. No, it's the players and the coach. Brock Purty sixty million.
Outrageous that you're a little different diseases.
Your job as a GM is to figure out what is fool's gold or deceptive Dak Prescott the minute he loses top receivers. You're paying sixty million for a thirty eight million dollar quarterback fit fair enough?
So then who do you have as the fifth best goal?
We know who the top four are.
That's any great.
I think there are four great quarterbacks in this league, tops on Lamar Burrough, and then I think it's all situational five through ten. Jared Goff with protection is really good Jalen Hurts with the greatest roster in ten years is really good.
Your goth had protection against a bad Washington defense and did a horrible performance.
Maybe he was concussed, who knows. But again, he's not number five.
Number five.
I need a number five. I need to hear it.
I don't have one.
You got three minutes.
Come on, I don't have one.
Come on? Is it Trevor Lawrence?
No, it's circumstantial, is it?
CJ. Shroud.
It's almost like this. If you sit in the NBA, who is going to be the best player in the league next year? And I'm gonna go Wemby, And then who's going to be the second best player? And I would probably say if he was in shape, Luca or janisahright right, yeah, Jokich, I'd say Wemby next year or Yokitch, Jokich, Wemby. But by the time you get to four, I'm like, well, I like SGA, But what if he was on a team where he didn't get all those shots? There's a lot of I mean, he's a good player. I'm not denying. I'm not denying Jalen Hurts deserves all the flowers. But we have in my lifetime, we have never had five Hall of Fame quarterbacks all in their prime. And I've been watching football since the seventies. You usually get two to three, like Brady Manning, Big Ben and there's a little drop off my whole life, play Marino l Way, whoever has a little drop off.
Okay, you don't get five, unbelievable. I think we have four all timers. Then it is circumstantial, really talented guys. Herbert Hurts, right, Herbert, sure, but again, Hurt says now had been dominant in two Super Bowls.
He outplayed Mahomes in both of them.
You and I would agree Mahomes very good quarterback, Like you said, struggled in Super Bowls. The lights are bright. What does Jalen Hurts do? I mean, he's amazing, too awesome? And what one more point, It's not like this is just two Super Bowls. He had a thirteen game stretch this season where he had thirty three touchdowns and one turnover.
Let me ask you, Colinet, I want you to think like a GM not a fan. Okay, who's the best running back in the NFL this season?
Or yeah, Saquon Barkley.
Okay, Okay, Okay, Jalen Hurts as him, who has the best offensive line in football?
Your jam, I would say the egos.
Oh, Jalen Hurt says that who has the best one two receiving tenem in the league. Excuse me, I couldn't hear you. I'm thinking, Oh, it looks like Philadelphia, but I'm not supposed to. Oh, by the way, what team all who's the most underratted tight end?
And he'll still got to deliver.
He still has to make the plays, not turn the football over.
It's much easier to deliver when you have like brought Party three years ago, eight Hall of famers around you. It's much easier when I'm a point guard when I passed to Luca and he hits a jumper, than when I'm passing to a G leaguer.
So okay, So to back up, you're you're guys who are a superstar? You just after that, We just don't know. It changes every I think we have four unbelievable all time talents.
Then I think we have players justin Herbert without a great coach. He's in that group one hundred thousand Herbert with a great coach, He's not so like Justin Herbert.
With the Eagles, we win seventeen super Bowls. Okay, fine, sign signed, I get that. So who is it? It's Herbert and I don't know who else.
I don't have it.
Is dak in that group? No, okay, thank you?
Is Jared goff in that hurt number.
No, you gotta have in there. Let me throw it, let me throw a name at you. And I don't think this is a reach.
Jayden Dan, stop sixteen games, my guy, that's it.
Stop it, no, listen, I can't be after one season. I did not need to watch a second show from David Copperfield to say that guy is a magician. Exception.
Come on, Oh we saw one season.
CJ.
Stroud, Oh my goodness, Top seven? What happened in year two?
Little sophomore slumpits as they like to see. Nice if anybody stayed healthy on the team. Now we're making excuses and a fire is gard c J.
Stroud with Dallas Goddard, AJ Brown, Davonte Smiths, Saquon Barkley. You don't think he could get to a super Bowl?
Now we just plug any quarterback in and the Eagles and be winning. Oh okay, that's what We're doing all right.
Your guy, your new buddy. You got his number right, You guys texting, little romance happened.
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