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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back our number three here on The Herd. Jason McIntyre called up from the miners into the Big Chair cow Herd, not feeling great earlier in the show.

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back our number three here on The Herd. Jason McIntyre called up from the miners into the Big Chair cow Herd, not feeling great earlier in the show.

If you're watching first hour, he will likely be back tomorrow. I think he's listened as questionable on.

If you're watching first hour, he will likely be back tomorrow. I think he's listened as questionable on.

The injury report with flu like symptoms, but he'll probably be fine. He picked a good day to this because I get to just blast off on Luca Blaker's.

The injury report with flu like symptoms, but he'll probably be fine. He picked a good day to this because I get to just blast off on Luca Blaker's.

Oh the excitement is palpable people. How about that alliteration?

Oh the excitement is palpable people. How about that alliteration?

So what we're obviously to do more on Luca and we'll do some Super Bowl stuff here in thirty minutes with Mark Sanchez aka Sanchiz.

So what we're obviously to do more on Luca and we'll do some Super Bowl stuff here in thirty minutes with Mark Sanchez aka Sanchiz.

Former Jets quarterback.

Former Jets quarterback.

But first let's let's tap into Rick Bucker, Fox Sports NBA analyst. You guys know, I've known Rick for many years. We love to go toe to toe on battles. It's always fun. But I think we're kind of in alignment here. Lakers obviously win the deal long term, MAVs awesome potential short term.

But first let's let's tap into Rick Bucker, Fox Sports NBA analyst. You guys know, I've known Rick for many years. We love to go toe to toe on battles. It's always fun. But I think we're kind of in alignment here. Lakers obviously win the deal long term, MAVs awesome potential short term.

Rick, give me what you got Luca to the Lakers. Do you love it or hate it?

Rick, give me what you got Luca to the Lakers. Do you love it or hate it?

I love it.

I love it.

I love it one just because it adds a tremendous amount of drama to this season. I believe that it makes the MAVs more of a championship caliber team. And we're seeing something that we've never seen before, which is a team making a decision not involving Lebron James and basically saying we've got your replacement and we are turning the page. That's what the move and getting Luka Doncic has done for the Lakers. And I think it's a brilliant a brilliant move because Anthony Davis was not that type of guy in terms of being your alpha and the guy that you build around. So they move him on. And yet if you look at the Dallas Mavericks and the way they're constituted, and you add Anthony Davis to the vehicle that Luca drove to the finals, and I look at the landscape of the NBA. I love the fact that Nico Harrison said, you know what, I'm not buying that Luka Doncic. He might have been able to get us to the finals last year, but then was not able to seal the deal. I don't know that that's going to change. I like the way my team is playing, and if I can get a guy who's playing at a defensive player the year level and is one of the best bigs in the league, I think that could be the difference maker for us winning a championship. So I love that he put he was fearless in making this happen, and he's put it all on himself. He's like Ja Kidd. I didn't I didn't confer with Ja Kidd, I didn't talk to any other teams. I told my owner and I went and did this. So we'll see if it works out. But I love that Nico gave it a go.

I love it one just because it adds a tremendous amount of drama to this season. I believe that it makes the MAVs more of a championship caliber team. And we're seeing something that we've never seen before, which is a team making a decision not involving Lebron James and basically saying we've got your replacement and we are turning the page. That's what the move and getting Luka Doncic has done for the Lakers. And I think it's a brilliant a brilliant move because Anthony Davis was not that type of guy in terms of being your alpha and the guy that you build around. So they move him on. And yet if you look at the Dallas Mavericks and the way they're constituted, and you add Anthony Davis to the vehicle that Luca drove to the finals, and I look at the landscape of the NBA. I love the fact that Nico Harrison said, you know what, I'm not buying that Luka Doncic. He might have been able to get us to the finals last year, but then was not able to seal the deal. I don't know that that's going to change. I like the way my team is playing, and if I can get a guy who's playing at a defensive player the year level and is one of the best bigs in the league, I think that could be the difference maker for us winning a championship. So I love that he put he was fearless in making this happen, and he's put it all on himself. He's like Ja Kidd. I didn't I didn't confer with Ja Kidd, I didn't talk to any other teams. I told my owner and I went and did this. So we'll see if it works out. But I love that Nico gave it a go.

All right, we'll get to the mad stuff in a second.

All right, we'll get to the mad stuff in a second.

But you just said something interesting on the Lakers and Lebron is they're ready to turn the page on Lebron.

But you just said something interesting on the Lakers and Lebron is they're ready to turn the page on Lebron.

If I'm Lebron, I'm looking at this team and I'm like, Okay, we're pretty good, right, Max Christie's a starter.

If I'm Lebron, I'm looking at this team and I'm like, Okay, we're pretty good, right, Max Christie's a starter.

Now we're top five in the West, Like, things are good, But I don't know if we're winning a title and it's still my team, my franchise. I know Ad has been amazing, but Rick, on some level Lebron has to look at this and step back and say, like.

Now we're top five in the West, Like, things are good, But I don't know if we're winning a title and it's still my team, my franchise. I know Ad has been amazing, but Rick, on some level Lebron has to look at this and step back and say, like.

Wow, the end really is near.

Wow, the end really is near.

He's got next, I've got a ride shotgun to him. That's a totally different mindset than Lebron's ever had, probably since he was like a youth athlete and dominating leagues. Like I don't know that he's ever not been the Alpha and the north Star for his team.

He's got next, I've got a ride shotgun to him. That's a totally different mindset than Lebron's ever had, probably since he was like a youth athlete and dominating leagues. Like I don't know that he's ever not been the Alpha and the north Star for his team.

I don't know that he's ever faced this at any level, at any age. This is at first, and that's what makes it so startling. You know, everybody's looking at it and saying, well, Nico Harrison basically said that I don't think I can win a championship with Luka Danciz, especially if I have to pay him seventy million dollars a year and he has to be actually better at both ends than he has been to this point. But Rob Polinka quietly said the same thing as you pointed out, they just beat the New York Nixon Madison Square Garden. They're a game out of the fourth seed, and yet Rob Polinka essentially said to Lebron James, I don't think you and the team as constituted are capable of winning another championship. I have an opportunity to go get my next superstar. I'm going to go ahead and do that, and I'm gonna do it without asking your permission.

I don't know that he's ever faced this at any level, at any age. This is at first, and that's what makes it so startling. You know, everybody's looking at it and saying, well, Nico Harrison basically said that I don't think I can win a championship with Luka Danciz, especially if I have to pay him seventy million dollars a year and he has to be actually better at both ends than he has been to this point. But Rob Polinka quietly said the same thing as you pointed out, they just beat the New York Nixon Madison Square Garden. They're a game out of the fourth seed, and yet Rob Polinka essentially said to Lebron James, I don't think you and the team as constituted are capable of winning another championship. I have an opportunity to go get my next superstar. I'm going to go ahead and do that, and I'm gonna do it without asking your permission.

I have to ask from a Lakers standpoint, Rick, do you believe they are done? They were able to retain one of their first round picks. I believe twenty thirty one. They did not give up Austin Reeves. Although Max Christy has been pretty good, I think that's a good get by Dallas. He'll be in the rotation, he might start.

I have to ask from a Lakers standpoint, Rick, do you believe they are done? They were able to retain one of their first round picks. I believe twenty thirty one. They did not give up Austin Reeves. Although Max Christy has been pretty good, I think that's a good get by Dallas. He'll be in the rotation, he might start.

I don't know. I just I wonder do the Lakers have another move to get some kind of rim protector.

I don't know. I just I wonder do the Lakers have another move to get some kind of rim protector.

I've floated Clint Capella, Claxton, Miles Turner might be tougher as the Pacers look pretty good.

I've floated Clint Capella, Claxton, Miles Turner might be tougher as the Pacers look pretty good.

But your thoughts on the Lakers making another.

But your thoughts on the Lakers making another.

Move, Yeah, I could see them making another move. I don't know what the actual value of an Austin Reeves or Ruy Hatchmura is out there. In terms of upgrading, I would expect that they're going to look to add a defensive center. Are they going to add a defensive center who is going to be good enough to elevate this team from where it was? No, they're not, because they're not gonna get somebody who's better than Anthony Davis. Okay, Anthony Davis was playing at a defensive Player of the Year level, and we know what he's capable of doing offensively. So they're not going to get someone of that caliber, and they needed someone of that caliber just to be a mediocre defensive team. The other part is, if you've got Luca and Lebron, presumably you're gonna have both of them on the floor. Yeah, this is going to be trading off. This isn't Luca's gonna take Austin's minutes. It's going to be something a little more elaborate than that. And that means that you're gonna have two defensively compromised guys who essentially do all the same things and our best sort of playing the same position point forward on the floor at the same time. And I just Offensively, I think we're going to see some amazing highlights, but defensively they're going to be a sieve.

Move, Yeah, I could see them making another move. I don't know what the actual value of an Austin Reeves or Ruy Hatchmura is out there. In terms of upgrading, I would expect that they're going to look to add a defensive center. Are they going to add a defensive center who is going to be good enough to elevate this team from where it was? No, they're not, because they're not gonna get somebody who's better than Anthony Davis. Okay, Anthony Davis was playing at a defensive Player of the Year level, and we know what he's capable of doing offensively. So they're not going to get someone of that caliber, and they needed someone of that caliber just to be a mediocre defensive team. The other part is, if you've got Luca and Lebron, presumably you're gonna have both of them on the floor. Yeah, this is going to be trading off. This isn't Luca's gonna take Austin's minutes. It's going to be something a little more elaborate than that. And that means that you're gonna have two defensively compromised guys who essentially do all the same things and our best sort of playing the same position point forward on the floor at the same time. And I just Offensively, I think we're going to see some amazing highlights, but defensively they're going to be a sieve.

Yeah, But Nico Harrison of the MAVs said, defense wins championships. You know that's not true. Three point shooting wins championships. Superstars win championships. Like again, I agree sort of on your take with Dallas and being good in the short term, but Rick, they're also raiding right now without Luca and Lively there. I believe ninth in the West, and there are two week Kyrie injury away from missing the playoffs altogether. Are you sure this defense wins championships mantra? Do you think that still applies to today's NBA?

Yeah, But Nico Harrison of the MAVs said, defense wins championships. You know that's not true. Three point shooting wins championships. Superstars win championships. Like again, I agree sort of on your take with Dallas and being good in the short term, but Rick, they're also raiding right now without Luca and Lively there. I believe ninth in the West, and there are two week Kyrie injury away from missing the playoffs altogether. Are you sure this defense wins championships mantra? Do you think that still applies to today's NBA?

I do believe that defense is still a big part of winning. Obviously, three point shooting is an element, but there's other There's one other element that's critical here, and that is one of the big reasons why Niko wasn't willing to bet three hundred and forty five million dollars on Luka Dancic, and that is that to win a championship, your best player has to be your hardest worker. You cannot find me an NBA team in the history of the league that has won a championship where the best player was not the hardest worker, whether it was Lebron Staph go down the line. And that's what they were facing, which is that Luka Dancis doesn't hard on defense, doesn't work hard to condition himself, and just went to the finals and got exposed for those two things and came back this season with it having no impact on how he approached it. So I believe that seeing that suggested to them that, well, what's the chance that if we give him three hundred and forty five million dollars that that's going to motivate him if going to the finals and missing out on winning a ring didn't motivate motivate him. So that combination with the fact that if you look at the teams, the top teams in the West that they've played this year, they have lost to them with Luka Doncic and they have beaten them without Luca, and I think that that was one of the elements that they looked at and said, hey, we have a chance, we have a really good team. Kyrie has elevated into the leader that he always hoped that or at least told us that he hoped he could be, and we can add a guy who's playing at a defensive player the year level and is as dynamic as Anthony Davis has demonstrated himself to be this season. I'd rather take a shot at winning a championship in the next year or two than commit seventy million dollars a year to Luka Doncics, because that's the other element here that's brand new to the league, which is the fact that a little bit like quarterbacks in the NFL, the price has gotten so high that you question, can I build the rest of my team to get where I want to go? Yes, I have a quarterback, Yes I have a superstar player, but I don't have the means to put the rest of the pieces around them in order to play for a championship. Anthony Davis, for what he's making is and the fact that they'll have in two years they'll have cap flexibility, gives Nico Harrison both things. He gives them an opportunity, a better opportunity to chase the championship right now, and he gives himself calf flexibility in the future, which receives so many teams. Philolphi seventy six with Joel Embi, the New Orleans Pelicans with Zion Williamson, all these teams that have taken stars, injury prone stars and give him a boatload of money, and now they find themselves stuck.

I do believe that defense is still a big part of winning. Obviously, three point shooting is an element, but there's other There's one other element that's critical here, and that is one of the big reasons why Niko wasn't willing to bet three hundred and forty five million dollars on Luka Dancic, and that is that to win a championship, your best player has to be your hardest worker. You cannot find me an NBA team in the history of the league that has won a championship where the best player was not the hardest worker, whether it was Lebron Staph go down the line. And that's what they were facing, which is that Luka Dancis doesn't hard on defense, doesn't work hard to condition himself, and just went to the finals and got exposed for those two things and came back this season with it having no impact on how he approached it. So I believe that seeing that suggested to them that, well, what's the chance that if we give him three hundred and forty five million dollars that that's going to motivate him if going to the finals and missing out on winning a ring didn't motivate motivate him. So that combination with the fact that if you look at the teams, the top teams in the West that they've played this year, they have lost to them with Luka Doncic and they have beaten them without Luca, and I think that that was one of the elements that they looked at and said, hey, we have a chance, we have a really good team. Kyrie has elevated into the leader that he always hoped that or at least told us that he hoped he could be, and we can add a guy who's playing at a defensive player the year level and is as dynamic as Anthony Davis has demonstrated himself to be this season. I'd rather take a shot at winning a championship in the next year or two than commit seventy million dollars a year to Luka Doncics, because that's the other element here that's brand new to the league, which is the fact that a little bit like quarterbacks in the NFL, the price has gotten so high that you question, can I build the rest of my team to get where I want to go? Yes, I have a quarterback, Yes I have a superstar player, but I don't have the means to put the rest of the pieces around them in order to play for a championship. Anthony Davis, for what he's making is and the fact that they'll have in two years they'll have cap flexibility, gives Nico Harrison both things. He gives them an opportunity, a better opportunity to chase the championship right now, and he gives himself calf flexibility in the future, which receives so many teams. Philolphi seventy six with Joel Embi, the New Orleans Pelicans with Zion Williamson, all these teams that have taken stars, injury prone stars and give him a boatload of money, and now they find themselves stuck.

Okay, so I need to push back a little on the Luca You.

Okay, so I need to push back a little on the Luca You.

Know, I would you would not be Jay Mack and this would not be one of our segments if you didn't.

Know, I would you would not be Jay Mack and this would not be one of our segments if you didn't.

I just listen. I'm a Luca guy. I've been saying for like the last five years of this network.

I just listen. I'm a Luca guy. I've been saying for like the last five years of this network.

Once with you on the old Undisputed, that I think Luca is the best player in the NBA. I know he hasn't always been given the appearance of the hardest worker, but let's not act like he's like Zion.

Once with you on the old Undisputed, that I think Luca is the best player in the NBA. I know he hasn't always been given the appearance of the hardest worker, but let's not act like he's like Zion.

Williamson, some slob.

Williamson, some slob.

Who's just eating his way out of the NBA.

Who's just eating his way out of the NBA.

He's not there.

He's not there.

And when he does want to lock in defensively, he can, he just doesn't do it often. And I know there's like this, Okay, he's out of shape and he doesn't play defense. He carried up to the finals. Kyrie Irving ain't a one. You know that, Rick, He's a great two. He is not a leader. Your new leader in Dallas is Kyrie irving. That's a little troubling.

And when he does want to lock in defensively, he can, he just doesn't do it often. And I know there's like this, Okay, he's out of shape and he doesn't play defense. He carried up to the finals. Kyrie Irving ain't a one. You know that, Rick, He's a great two. He is not a leader. Your new leader in Dallas is Kyrie irving. That's a little troubling.

If you ask me.

If you ask me.

For sure, based on Kyrie's track record, I will give you that. But I also know that guys love playing with him. They do, and quietly you were talking about the rumbling earlier, like I've heard rumblings that guys aren't in love with playing with Luca. Now, I've heard that about a lot of superstar players from complimentary players. And if they can get you to a ring, the complimentary players will will put up with that. That was the failing here and that Luca was able to get him there, but he wasn't able to close the deal. And you are absolutely right. Look, he's twenty five years old, he's got really bad habits. Is there the possibility that he's going to mature, Well, there's an even greater possibility now that he's been traded to La Yeah, and I'm sure that's going to be fueled fire. He wants to prove everybody wrong and he very may well do that, But there was no indication that that was going to happen in Dallas.

For sure, based on Kyrie's track record, I will give you that. But I also know that guys love playing with him. They do, and quietly you were talking about the rumbling earlier, like I've heard rumblings that guys aren't in love with playing with Luca. Now, I've heard that about a lot of superstar players from complimentary players. And if they can get you to a ring, the complimentary players will will put up with that. That was the failing here and that Luca was able to get him there, but he wasn't able to close the deal. And you are absolutely right. Look, he's twenty five years old, he's got really bad habits. Is there the possibility that he's going to mature, Well, there's an even greater possibility now that he's been traded to La Yeah, and I'm sure that's going to be fueled fire. He wants to prove everybody wrong and he very may well do that, But there was no indication that that was going to happen in Dallas.

So can this blow up?

So can this blow up?

Can this backfire on Nico and the Dallas Mavericks? Absolutely it can there's in a multitude of ways, but he was basically looking at everything that's happened with signing young stars who are injury prone to these massive super Max contracts, and he said, I'm not willing to go there because I have an Anthony Davis that I can add to a team that went to the finals last year. The league is wide open. It gives me two years to try to win a ring. I don't have to commit three hundred and forty five million dollars this summer to continue going this direction. I'm going to go ahead and do it, and we'll see. We'll see whether it works. I just as a fan enjoying the drama of the NBA. I love that this happened because now we get to watch the Lebron Luca show and whether that can work or not, and whether Nico bet wisely on Anthony Davis being able to do what Luca couldn't in Dallas. I can't guarantee you what's going to happen. I just know that I'm going to be watching every minute.

Can this backfire on Nico and the Dallas Mavericks? Absolutely it can there's in a multitude of ways, but he was basically looking at everything that's happened with signing young stars who are injury prone to these massive super Max contracts, and he said, I'm not willing to go there because I have an Anthony Davis that I can add to a team that went to the finals last year. The league is wide open. It gives me two years to try to win a ring. I don't have to commit three hundred and forty five million dollars this summer to continue going this direction. I'm going to go ahead and do it, and we'll see. We'll see whether it works. I just as a fan enjoying the drama of the NBA. I love that this happened because now we get to watch the Lebron Luca show and whether that can work or not, and whether Nico bet wisely on Anthony Davis being able to do what Luca couldn't in Dallas. I can't guarantee you what's going to happen. I just know that I'm going to be watching every minute.

All right, one more Lakers mask before we move to the next topic. I don't have the exact timetable because this was like seven years ago. But when the Celtics had Kyrie Irving, true or false, Rick didn't Boston really covet Anthony Davis because they wanted to pair him with Kyrie and Boston And there was all this chatter should they trade Brown or Tatum or picks because they had a bunch of picks and they never could end up getting those two together. There is a world where I believe the NBA loves this idea of Kyrie and Ad, great defender, dynamic offensive score playing together. They do have Klay Thompson, I'm not in love with, like Quentin Grimes, I like Lively. I just don't know if this is going to work out as great. I hear you get I saw, I saw Charles Barkley, who hates me promoting the Mads is the second best team in the West.

All right, one more Lakers mask before we move to the next topic. I don't have the exact timetable because this was like seven years ago. But when the Celtics had Kyrie Irving, true or false, Rick didn't Boston really covet Anthony Davis because they wanted to pair him with Kyrie and Boston And there was all this chatter should they trade Brown or Tatum or picks because they had a bunch of picks and they never could end up getting those two together. There is a world where I believe the NBA loves this idea of Kyrie and Ad, great defender, dynamic offensive score playing together. They do have Klay Thompson, I'm not in love with, like Quentin Grimes, I like Lively. I just don't know if this is going to work out as great. I hear you get I saw, I saw Charles Barkley, who hates me promoting the Mads is the second best team in the West.

Now, oh my guys, let's just slow down. But the Kyrie AD thing, this has been cooking up for a while, right.

Now, oh my guys, let's just slow down. But the Kyrie AD thing, this has been cooking up for a while, right.

Yeah, Boston did have interest in Anthony Davis. I don't know if it was specifically to pair with Kyrie Irving as much as it was uh having an inside outside and Anthony Davis being available. So yeah, there there's been I mean Look, this is the model for chasing a championship is having that dynamic big and that electric wing or point guard in order to balance the floor and and and have an inside outside game. So uh, but I look at the rest of the Dallas Mavericks. Look, you're you. You may not be excited about them, but I'm not going to give Luka Dancic all of the credit. And in fact, the one thing that we're missing here, and I think that MAVs fans are not taking full understanding of, is the fact that Luca was not, for all of his ability. Luca never got to the finals until Nico Harrison showed up and he hired Jason Kidd, and he made trades for Daniel Gafford, PJ. Washington, and he drafted Derek Lively. He was the one who built a team around Luka Doncic that was capable of going to the finals. So if Nico is saying, you know what, I think I can take the last step. If I switch out Luca for Anthony Davis and Max Christy, then I'm going to at least give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to demonstrate that he's right.

Yeah, Boston did have interest in Anthony Davis. I don't know if it was specifically to pair with Kyrie Irving as much as it was uh having an inside outside and Anthony Davis being available. So yeah, there there's been I mean Look, this is the model for chasing a championship is having that dynamic big and that electric wing or point guard in order to balance the floor and and and have an inside outside game. So uh, but I look at the rest of the Dallas Mavericks. Look, you're you. You may not be excited about them, but I'm not going to give Luka Dancic all of the credit. And in fact, the one thing that we're missing here, and I think that MAVs fans are not taking full understanding of, is the fact that Luca was not, for all of his ability. Luca never got to the finals until Nico Harrison showed up and he hired Jason Kidd, and he made trades for Daniel Gafford, PJ. Washington, and he drafted Derek Lively. He was the one who built a team around Luka Doncic that was capable of going to the finals. So if Nico is saying, you know what, I think I can take the last step. If I switch out Luca for Anthony Davis and Max Christy, then I'm going to at least give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to demonstrate that he's right.

Once ye that's fair that Luca was like twenty three. I mean, Jordan wasn't sniffing the playoffs to barely a toy couldn't get out of the first round.

Once ye that's fair that Luca was like twenty three. I mean, Jordan wasn't sniffing the playoffs to barely a toy couldn't get out of the first round.

Luca was, how did you feel about the Kyrie Irvings deal? Did you think that that was gonna work?

Luca was, how did you feel about the Kyrie Irvings deal? Did you think that that was gonna work?

I thought it was reward. Nico did. Yeah, most people thought like, that's probably not gonna work. H did miss the playoffs, has made to this point, he's done some of the things.

I thought it was reward. Nico did. Yeah, most people thought like, that's probably not gonna work. H did miss the playoffs, has made to this point, he's done some of the things.

Listen, one of the producers here was telling me he's the one who screwed up the Steph Curry deal at Nike where they totally botched the presentation, like a story was written about it.

Listen, one of the producers here was telling me he's the one who screwed up the Steph Curry deal at Nike where they totally botched the presentation, like a story was written about it.

So like, he's not infallible. Let's not give him all the credit. However, we got to move on. Two more Cooklands. Two hot take here.

So like, he's not infallible. Let's not give him all the credit. However, we got to move on. Two more Cooklands. Two hot take here.

Deeron Fox and Webbin Yama are like the six seventh seed and they take down Houston or Memphis or somebody in the first round.

Deeron Fox and Webbin Yama are like the six seventh seed and they take down Houston or Memphis or somebody in the first round.

Can that happen?

Can that happen?

No, they're not. They're not ready for that. Darren Fox is not ready for that. Victor wembin Yama is not ready for that. The Houston Rockets are are young and they're probably the most vulnerable of the top seeds simply because of a lack of experience there. But I don't want to go that fard. Aaron Fox acquisition by the San Antonio Spurs is very interesting because one of the knocks on Darreon Fox is that he does not compete or play hard all the time. Immensely talented, but his focus and his attention to detail and how hard he plays kind of up and down. That does not fly in San Antonio. So they're either going to cure him of that, or they believe they can cure him of that, or they're going to die trying. That's the element that I want to see is whether they can get the most out of Darren Fox's talent fair enough.

No, they're not. They're not ready for that. Darren Fox is not ready for that. Victor wembin Yama is not ready for that. The Houston Rockets are are young and they're probably the most vulnerable of the top seeds simply because of a lack of experience there. But I don't want to go that fard. Aaron Fox acquisition by the San Antonio Spurs is very interesting because one of the knocks on Darreon Fox is that he does not compete or play hard all the time. Immensely talented, but his focus and his attention to detail and how hard he plays kind of up and down. That does not fly in San Antonio. So they're either going to cure him of that, or they believe they can cure him of that, or they're going to die trying. That's the element that I want to see is whether they can get the most out of Darren Fox's talent fair enough.

And finally, Rick, there's some rumblings about the Golden State Wars.

And finally, Rick, there's some rumblings about the Golden State Wars.

We don't want to really get into Jimmy Butler business.

We don't want to really get into Jimmy Butler business.

Jimmy Butler won't sign an extension there, and a name is starting to emerge that Kevin Duran may not be long for the Phoenix Suns. It appears as if they cannot move off Bradley Beal that contract is onerous, nobody wants it, and if the.

Jimmy Butler won't sign an extension there, and a name is starting to emerge that Kevin Duran may not be long for the Phoenix Suns. It appears as if they cannot move off Bradley Beal that contract is onerous, nobody wants it, and if the.

Sons are going to do anything. They're not trading d book.

Sons are going to do anything. They're not trading d book.

He's their guy, drafted him. Maybe Kevin Durant has a lot of value and they move off of him. Do you think there's any world where Kevin Durant ends up back in Golden State with Draymond and Sef Curry.

He's their guy, drafted him. Maybe Kevin Durant has a lot of value and they move off of him. Do you think there's any world where Kevin Durant ends up back in Golden State with Draymond and Sef Curry.

I will just say this. When the Luca Luca ad trade went down, I was on my phone. I'm texting with a bunch of different GMS executive scouts, and one GM texted me the Warriors wish list, which was and it was they're waiting for someone. That's what he was telling me. He goes, the Warriors are waiting for a player, and he was speculating. And the list that he gave me in this order an order of preference was KD, Jimmy Butler, Zach Levine. Zach Lavine is off the table obviously now in Sacramento. Jimmy Butler, I know that the Warriors would love to acquire him. I don't know if his reluctance to sign an extent throws water on that, but I was surprised by the KD name being at the top of the list. And now that I've thought about it much like I thought about the Luca A D deal. It makes a certain amount of sense for both teams. Phoenix is in a financial, massive financial hurt. They have to do something. And conversely, if the Warriors are looking to capture some of their old magic and the type of player that they need, and a guy that we know that Steph Curry can make room for KD fits the bill. I don't know if he wants to go back, but if he was willing, it makes a lot of sense.

I will just say this. When the Luca Luca ad trade went down, I was on my phone. I'm texting with a bunch of different GMS executive scouts, and one GM texted me the Warriors wish list, which was and it was they're waiting for someone. That's what he was telling me. He goes, the Warriors are waiting for a player, and he was speculating. And the list that he gave me in this order an order of preference was KD, Jimmy Butler, Zach Levine. Zach Lavine is off the table obviously now in Sacramento. Jimmy Butler, I know that the Warriors would love to acquire him. I don't know if his reluctance to sign an extent throws water on that, but I was surprised by the KD name being at the top of the list. And now that I've thought about it much like I thought about the Luca A D deal. It makes a certain amount of sense for both teams. Phoenix is in a financial, massive financial hurt. They have to do something. And conversely, if the Warriors are looking to capture some of their old magic and the type of player that they need, and a guy that we know that Steph Curry can make room for KD fits the bill. I don't know if he wants to go back, but if he was willing, it makes a lot of sense.

This idea is that the Warriors are just sitting around waiting. Listen, man, you know, you know young Jason.

This idea is that the Warriors are just sitting around waiting. Listen, man, you know, you know young Jason.

Are a player to come in.

Are a player to come in.

So I would go out with buddies. Rick and We're my guys are like, oh, let's go talk to the goes. I'm like, guys, let's chill. Let's wait, they'll come to us. Let's just chill out. We're cool. Waiting around does not really work.

So I would go out with buddies. Rick and We're my guys are like, oh, let's go talk to the goes. I'm like, guys, let's chill. Let's wait, they'll come to us. Let's just chill out. We're cool. Waiting around does not really work.

I'll just say that you gotta be proactive.

I'll just say that you gotta be proactive.

It didn't work.

It didn't work.

It did not really work to my liking. I'll just say I think the Worries need to be proactive. Listen, we saw it, like you said, Luca moves and then instantly dear in Fox twenty four hours later, he's gone, there's gonna be more Domino.

It did not really work to my liking. I'll just say I think the Worries need to be proactive. Listen, we saw it, like you said, Luca moves and then instantly dear in Fox twenty four hours later, he's gone, there's gonna be more Domino.

Something else is happening. This week's gonna get crazy. Will be clear.

Something else is happening. This week's gonna get crazy. Will be clear.

Let me be clear when I say that they're waiting on someone. They're waiting to find out if there's a guy that they can get, and that guy, by the indication of the text that I received from the GM, was KD. And if so, if plan A doesn't work, if k D says no, then they would move down the list. But that's what I found interesting in terms of he was saying that there's kind of a hold up here in terms of zach Lavine and where he's gonna go and what's gonna happen to Jimmy Butler, because the Warriors have interest in him in those pieces, but they have a guy at the top of their list that is their first choice and they're trying to find out whether they can make that happen.

Let me be clear when I say that they're waiting on someone. They're waiting to find out if there's a guy that they can get, and that guy, by the indication of the text that I received from the GM, was KD. And if so, if plan A doesn't work, if k D says no, then they would move down the list. But that's what I found interesting in terms of he was saying that there's kind of a hold up here in terms of zach Lavine and where he's gonna go and what's gonna happen to Jimmy Butler, because the Warriors have interest in him in those pieces, but they have a guy at the top of their list that is their first choice and they're trying to find out whether they can make that happen.

Rick Buker, Fox Sports NBA analyst, He's all over this stuff, Rick, you know, great talking to you. It's fun to chop it up and I'm sure we'll be doing it again soon, buddy, got it all right, that's fun. Listen this NBA chaos. Now you got Miles Garrett in the NFL. Everybody's unhappy, everybody wants out. Should I make a trade demand right now for myself?

Rick Buker, Fox Sports NBA analyst, He's all over this stuff, Rick, you know, great talking to you. It's fun to chop it up and I'm sure we'll be doing it again soon, buddy, got it all right, that's fun. Listen this NBA chaos. Now you got Miles Garrett in the NFL. Everybody's unhappy, everybody wants out. Should I make a trade demand right now for myself?

I was just kidding. I can't wait, all right, So Cowhard's out sick.

I was just kidding. I can't wait, all right, So Cowhard's out sick.

For the rest of the show, we have Mark Sanchez coming up in the studio. We'll talk NFL super Bowl, Miles Garrett, all that craziness.

For the rest of the show, we have Mark Sanchez coming up in the studio. We'll talk NFL super Bowl, Miles Garrett, all that craziness.

We're back in a few minutes.

We're back in a few minutes.

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Back here on the Herd, Jason McIntyre filling in for Cowherd a little under the weather. He got sick in the first quarter, and so, uh, Mark Sanchez has a good analogy, my guy, Mark Sanchez, former Jets quarterback. The audience doesn't know this Mark, but Jason once owned one of those Jets T shirts that said Sanchez on the back with.

Back here on the Herd, Jason McIntyre filling in for Cowherd a little under the weather. He got sick in the first quarter, and so, uh, Mark Sanchez has a good analogy, my guy, Mark Sanchez, former Jets quarterback. The audience doesn't know this Mark, but Jason once owned one of those Jets T shirts that said Sanchez on the back with.

Six Sanchez or sanchis san Chai.

Six Sanchez or sanchis san Chai.

Well, it said Sanchez, but I called it Sanchiz.

Well, it said Sanchez, but I called it Sanchiz.

Okay, I'll take that. I just want to make sure you're prepped and ready to go. This is why you get reps.

Okay, I'll take that. I just want to make sure you're prepped and ready to go. This is why you get reps.

During the week.

During the week.

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

And the starter goes down with the hammy, you gotta step up?

And the starter goes down with the hammy, you gotta step up?

Did that ever happened to you?

Did that ever happened to you?

The hopes, dreams, and aspirations of this.

The hopes, dreams, and aspirations of this.

Entire production today, the herd relies on you, buddy.

Entire production today, the herd relies on you, buddy.

It rests on your.

It rests on your.

Shoulder, no pressure whatsoever.

Shoulder, no pressure whatsoever.

Right, So let's go, baby, Come on. I hope you're excited.

Right, So let's go, baby, Come on. I hope you're excited.

All right, we'll get stared.

All right, we'll get stared.

Look off your face. Man, it happens.

Look off your face. Man, it happens.

Always makes me laugh. He's just goofing around.

Always makes me laugh. He's just goofing around.

It happened to me. We were in Houston. Nick Foles goes down.

It happened to me. We were in Houston. Nick Foles goes down.

Chip Kelly was our offensive coordinator and he had me coming off the sidelines just launching the bar down the field. First night, first play to j Mack, yup, J Mack, look at that?

Chip Kelly was our offensive coordinator and he had me coming off the sidelines just launching the bar down the field. First night, first play to j Mack, yup, J Mack, look at that?

And that was.

And that was.

Uh god, very first play. I went in like coming off the bench cold shooting three pointers. I was like, coach, can we get like a naked bootleg? Can I get like an easy little handoff whatever? Two plays later, we had a timeout and we run zone read, which isn't my favorite to do because I'm not fast. And right after that it was not only zone read. So there's like three different types. Right, you can read the linebacker level, you could read the defensive end, or sometimes you can read an interior tackle. And Coach Kelly is in my ear during the timeout saying, hey, we're running ninety nine, Toga, you got to read the three technique basically flat path zone. And if you keep it because that defensive lineman is unblocked and attacks the halfback, you.

Uh god, very first play. I went in like coming off the bench cold shooting three pointers. I was like, coach, can we get like a naked bootleg? Can I get like an easy little handoff whatever? Two plays later, we had a timeout and we run zone read, which isn't my favorite to do because I'm not fast. And right after that it was not only zone read. So there's like three different types. Right, you can read the linebacker level, you could read the defensive end, or sometimes you can read an interior tackle. And Coach Kelly is in my ear during the timeout saying, hey, we're running ninety nine, Toga, you got to read the three technique basically flat path zone. And if you keep it because that defensive lineman is unblocked and attacks the halfback, you.

Just run straight.

Just run straight.

He reminded me right before I walked in the huddle, Hey, it's ninety nine, Toga, read the three technique.

He reminded me right before I walked in the huddle, Hey, it's ninety nine, Toga, read the three technique.

That's number ninety nine. JJ Watt, by the way, looks like nice.

That's number ninety nine. JJ Watt, by the way, looks like nice.

So what happened on the Yeah, well I kept it regardless because that was kind of like a I thought he was like trying to challenge me, like I was scared to read him or something.

So what happened on the Yeah, well I kept it regardless because that was kind of like a I thought he was like trying to challenge me, like I was scared to read him or something.

It's what funny you.

It's what funny you.

Still remember the playbook and all that stuff.

Still remember the playbook and all that stuff.

I remember a lot of it. Some guys can, like, you know, mcveigh's got that photographic memory. Other players I've played with haven't even better photographic memory. And then there's you know, some entire seasons where you're like, did I even play for that team?

I remember a lot of it. Some guys can, like, you know, mcveigh's got that photographic memory. Other players I've played with haven't even better photographic memory. And then there's you know, some entire seasons where you're like, did I even play for that team?

Where was I?

Where was I?

You know what?

You know what?

I can't remember what I had for lunch a week ago.

I can't remember what I had for lunch a week ago.

Yeah, but you're sweating bullets up there. Man, Come on, yousted this show before. The desk is the same size, there's no nerve, there's no more cameras anywhere. This is like a Pete Carroll thing. It's all the same man.

Yeah, but you're sweating bullets up there. Man, Come on, yousted this show before. The desk is the same size, there's no nerve, there's no more cameras anywhere. This is like a Pete Carroll thing. It's all the same man.

All right.

All right.

First of all, Sanchez is obviously a great Fox Sports analyst, and he's gonna break down why they Eagles are gonna win.

First of all, Sanchez is obviously a great Fox Sports analyst, and he's gonna break down why they Eagles are gonna win.

Now, I'm just kidding. Let's talk with the Chiefs. They want to in a row.

Now, I'm just kidding. Let's talk with the Chiefs. They want to in a row.

I don't want to say like house money rolling in, but they've done this before.

I don't want to say like house money rolling in, but they've done this before.

This old hat for them.

This old hat for them.

They're just rolling up to the super Bowl, no pressure. What do you think their mindset is this week?

They're just rolling up to the super Bowl, no pressure. What do you think their mindset is this week?

Well, I think for them, they have this luxury of doing it before. I think they have so much continuity with their system, with the players who've been in their system. So when you bring on these additions, whether it's mid year at receiver, trying to solve that problem. You got that guy Patrick Mahomes. He's the eraser. So number one, you got to deal with Andy Reid and this system he's created. And you know they're going to be in some pretty good spots. They're gonna have some great plays. They're gonna have some tough concepts for you to defend. Make you think. Then you got to deal with that guy, the eraser number fifteen. And if for some reason Andy Reid puts this offense in a bad situation, that guy will change the play, get you into a good play, or he will do something with his legs and make a new play out of that original play and extend it. Or he's got the intelligence to know I'm not gonna give this thing away. I'm gonna make that team work for it. They won seventeen straight one score games.

Well, I think for them, they have this luxury of doing it before. I think they have so much continuity with their system, with the players who've been in their system. So when you bring on these additions, whether it's mid year at receiver, trying to solve that problem. You got that guy Patrick Mahomes. He's the eraser. So number one, you got to deal with Andy Reid and this system he's created. And you know they're going to be in some pretty good spots. They're gonna have some great plays. They're gonna have some tough concepts for you to defend. Make you think. Then you got to deal with that guy, the eraser number fifteen. And if for some reason Andy Reid puts this offense in a bad situation, that guy will change the play, get you into a good play, or he will do something with his legs and make a new play out of that original play and extend it. Or he's got the intelligence to know I'm not gonna give this thing away. I'm gonna make that team work for it. They won seventeen straight one score games.

Yeah, not bad.

Yeah, not bad.

They went eight games in a row without turning over the football. That's an NFL record. Nobody's ever done that.

They went eight games in a row without turning over the football. That's an NFL record. Nobody's ever done that.

So you got to deal with their system, the continuity, the people they've had around Andy Heck, the O line coach that they have. I mean, that guy should be one of the assistant coaches of the year. To do what they're doing on the left side of their line with Tony, he's one of the best guards in the league. It's like him, Nelson, Zach Martin. The guy's making like a as an eighty million dollar contract to play left guard, not left tackle. He's the fourth option at left tackle. That is not his position, and then Caliendo has to move into guard. You realize how hard that is. It's interesting to make that happen.

So you got to deal with their system, the continuity, the people they've had around Andy Heck, the O line coach that they have. I mean, that guy should be one of the assistant coaches of the year. To do what they're doing on the left side of their line with Tony, he's one of the best guards in the league. It's like him, Nelson, Zach Martin. The guy's making like a as an eighty million dollar contract to play left guard, not left tackle. He's the fourth option at left tackle. That is not his position, and then Caliendo has to move into guard. You realize how hard that is. It's interesting to make that happen.

Do you think that they consider moving him back from tackle inside with the Jalen Carter wrecking team US.

Do you think that they consider moving him back from tackle inside with the Jalen Carter wrecking team US.

That was where this conversation I figured would go. And if it's Carter and Davis inside, I mean that is that's a problem. They're they're in a good spot with Humphrey the center, he's one of the best in the league. And then Trey Smith is going into its first team All Pro I believe at right guard. But it used to be the law firm of Toney, Humphrey and Smith in there in the middle and those a gaps were protected and then Mahomes can do what he has to do on the edge. And then they've switched out some tackles. Juwan Taylor comes over from Jacksonville.

That was where this conversation I figured would go. And if it's Carter and Davis inside, I mean that is that's a problem. They're they're in a good spot with Humphrey the center, he's one of the best in the league. And then Trey Smith is going into its first team All Pro I believe at right guard. But it used to be the law firm of Toney, Humphrey and Smith in there in the middle and those a gaps were protected and then Mahomes can do what he has to do on the edge. And then they've switched out some tackles. Juwan Taylor comes over from Jacksonville.

Whatever it is.

Whatever it is.

So you create and construct this line the right way, you built it inside out. Well, now the way they've had to shuffle guys on the left side, Carter and Davis, that's a problem. Now that's a major, major problem. And shout out to Clint Hurt. He's the defensive line coach there in Philly. Vic Fangio, let's just let's talk about that defense in general. Remember when they got bounced out of the playoffs in the wild card last year? Demoralizing, embarrassing. He got those guys to really play those the tackles. I believe it was Carter last year only played like half the snaps. This year, he's almost doubled it. He's playing almost every down. I mean, where did that come from? Somebody obviously had to light a fire under that guy's reer and he's really playing. So it's it's a testament to Vic Fangio, the defense, the coaching staff that they've assembled, and I cannot wait to watch this match up.

So you create and construct this line the right way, you built it inside out. Well, now the way they've had to shuffle guys on the left side, Carter and Davis, that's a problem. Now that's a major, major problem. And shout out to Clint Hurt. He's the defensive line coach there in Philly. Vic Fangio, let's just let's talk about that defense in general. Remember when they got bounced out of the playoffs in the wild card last year? Demoralizing, embarrassing. He got those guys to really play those the tackles. I believe it was Carter last year only played like half the snaps. This year, he's almost doubled it. He's playing almost every down. I mean, where did that come from? Somebody obviously had to light a fire under that guy's reer and he's really playing. So it's it's a testament to Vic Fangio, the defense, the coaching staff that they've assembled, and I cannot wait to watch this match up.

That's gonna be fun.

That's gonna be fun.

It also feels like the Eagles defense better defense than the Bills, without question. I just wonder like the Super Bowl last time they met, it was Kadarius Tony had a couple of splash plays. Last year, Rashi Rice had a pretty good Super Bowl memory search.

It also feels like the Eagles defense better defense than the Bills, without question. I just wonder like the Super Bowl last time they met, it was Kadarius Tony had a couple of splash plays. Last year, Rashi Rice had a pretty good Super Bowl memory search.

This year, we don't know what's gonna be Hollywood Brown.

This year, we don't know what's gonna be Hollywood Brown.

And that's it always seems to be that right, whether it's Pacheco finally catches fire. You know, he went down early with the rib injury. They missed the most of the year. The running game has been you know, below average this entire season, and they were hoping for that spark when he came back. They put in Kareem Hunt. Okay, boom, he gives him a little juice. But he's not the Kareem Hunt when he led the league in rushing, you know, a few years back.

And that's it always seems to be that right, whether it's Pacheco finally catches fire. You know, he went down early with the rib injury. They missed the most of the year. The running game has been you know, below average this entire season, and they were hoping for that spark when he came back. They put in Kareem Hunt. Okay, boom, he gives him a little juice. But he's not the Kareem Hunt when he led the league in rushing, you know, a few years back.

So how do you.

So how do you.

Come up with the play? What's the play that's going to turn the tie? It's like a Noah Gray in the backside because they you know, double Kelsey and they got a double Hopkins or somebody, and boom, there goes Noah Gray one on one and makes the play.

Come up with the play? What's the play that's going to turn the tie? It's like a Noah Gray in the backside because they you know, double Kelsey and they got a double Hopkins or somebody, and boom, there goes Noah Gray one on one and makes the play.

You know.

You know.

I feel like that's where this game kind of ends up.

I feel like that's where this game kind of ends up.

I think Ertz had eleven catches against the Eagles in the conference championship game. They've struggled against tight ends. They lost one of their linebackers for the season. So Dean, yes, I do wonder if there's an if you're looking at it from a gambling perspective, and opportunity for Noah Gray to touchdowns for like all those prop best with like all spreads like they could go crazy.

I think Ertz had eleven catches against the Eagles in the conference championship game. They've struggled against tight ends. They lost one of their linebackers for the season. So Dean, yes, I do wonder if there's an if you're looking at it from a gambling perspective, and opportunity for Noah Gray to touchdowns for like all those prop best with like all spreads like they could go crazy.

I mean, it could be a huge day for tight ends. And you gotta remember h CJ. Gardner Johnson can cover those tight ends number eight their safety he can he can cover, he can play center field.

I mean, it could be a huge day for tight ends. And you gotta remember h CJ. Gardner Johnson can cover those tight ends number eight their safety he can he can cover, he can play center field.

He'll hitch you.

He'll hitch you.

He ain't afraid to play man to man. And they're gonna show you. I mean Vic Fangio's system earlier, Remember the sky was falling in Philadelphia. Everybody wanted Sirianni out. These guys suck get him out of here. You know, we could find a better coach on broad Street. They were going nuts until the bye week and this team figured some stuff out. They put their guys in better positions. Inserted Cooper dejen a rookie. A rookie playing nickel. Are you kidding me?

He ain't afraid to play man to man. And they're gonna show you. I mean Vic Fangio's system earlier, Remember the sky was falling in Philadelphia. Everybody wanted Sirianni out. These guys suck get him out of here. You know, we could find a better coach on broad Street. They were going nuts until the bye week and this team figured some stuff out. They put their guys in better positions. Inserted Cooper dejen a rookie. A rookie playing nickel. Are you kidding me?

In the NFL? Dude, that is so hard.

In the NFL? Dude, that is so hard.

That's one of the hardest positions to play, is a rookie and he's playing great. Bradbury goes down and now we know who Quinion Mitchell is, and we know that he went to Toledo. Shout out to the Rockets, like where did this guy come from? And that's a tough sucker. Now, so you got two rookies playing at a high level. You got a guy who can cover tight ends at least one of them if they're gonna go Manda Man. But Vic Fangio's system, they played a lot more single high. Go watch the Brazil game against the Packers. A ton of single high, a lot more Mando man. Now it's split safety. They're keeping everything, everybody on top death by a thousand paper cuts. And we're gonna make sure Davis Carter one of these guys, Zach Bond All Pro year?

That's one of the hardest positions to play, is a rookie and he's playing great. Bradbury goes down and now we know who Quinion Mitchell is, and we know that he went to Toledo. Shout out to the Rockets, like where did this guy come from? And that's a tough sucker. Now, so you got two rookies playing at a high level. You got a guy who can cover tight ends at least one of them if they're gonna go Manda Man. But Vic Fangio's system, they played a lot more single high. Go watch the Brazil game against the Packers. A ton of single high, a lot more Mando man. Now it's split safety. They're keeping everything, everybody on top death by a thousand paper cuts. And we're gonna make sure Davis Carter one of these guys, Zach Bond All Pro year?

Where'd that guy come from?

Where'd that guy come from?

Oh, special team or the last two teams he's been on, right, and now he's having a Pro Bowl type year, first team All Pro.

Oh, special team or the last two teams he's been on, right, and now he's having a Pro Bowl type year, first team All Pro.

No, it's funny you mentioned Bond. Let me ask Jill. We're already concerned about the middle of the field and the tight ends. But Patrick Mahomes just had one of his best running games ever in his career against the Bills.

No, it's funny you mentioned Bond. Let me ask Jill. We're already concerned about the middle of the field and the tight ends. But Patrick Mahomes just had one of his best running games ever in his career against the Bills.

Do you spy Mahomes at this level?

Do you spy Mahomes at this level?

Like, so that's part of the deal, right, Like when if you remember the play to Diami Brown, Brady was calling the game in the championship game, but he talked about one plug cover one plug, and basically there's a guy in the middle of the field, and as a plugger, everybody else's man a man outside leverage, and you have a free safety deep playing center field, watching everything, helping on deep balls. Well, the plugger has a responsibility to either old school Detroit Pistons. You run through the key, you run through the middle of the field, Boom, within five yards, you're getting a shoulder, you're getting an elbow. I'm knocking you off your track. So you hit all those crossing routes basically underneath, or you tell that guy watch the quarterback. Watch the quarterback because if they play that game within the game and he's got a spy him, now he can't help on some of those crossers. Now that outside leverage is compromising because when you run to the middle with somebody on your outside, the plugger is there to help you. This could be the back and forth kind of game. So I don't know if Fangio really wants to go into that, Like, why play one plug when we can have all eyes on the quarterback.

Like, so that's part of the deal, right, Like when if you remember the play to Diami Brown, Brady was calling the game in the championship game, but he talked about one plug cover one plug, and basically there's a guy in the middle of the field, and as a plugger, everybody else's man a man outside leverage, and you have a free safety deep playing center field, watching everything, helping on deep balls. Well, the plugger has a responsibility to either old school Detroit Pistons. You run through the key, you run through the middle of the field, Boom, within five yards, you're getting a shoulder, you're getting an elbow. I'm knocking you off your track. So you hit all those crossing routes basically underneath, or you tell that guy watch the quarterback. Watch the quarterback because if they play that game within the game and he's got a spy him, now he can't help on some of those crossers. Now that outside leverage is compromising because when you run to the middle with somebody on your outside, the plugger is there to help you. This could be the back and forth kind of game. So I don't know if Fangio really wants to go into that, Like, why play one plug when we can have all eyes on the quarterback.

Yeah, there's so many fun matchups in this.

Yeah, there's so many fun matchups in this.

So how about this we take a break, we bring back some Pete Carroll questions.

So how about this we take a break, we bring back some Pete Carroll questions.

Yeah, he's going to the Raiders with your guy. I think your guy Chip killing any both of them. Yeah, yeah, you know everybody. Everybody likes Sanchez.

Yeah, he's going to the Raiders with your guy. I think your guy Chip killing any both of them. Yeah, yeah, you know everybody. Everybody likes Sanchez.

And then we'll break down some plays for the Chiefs in crucial situations.

And then we'll break down some plays for the Chiefs in crucial situations.

So we'll take a break. We back with Mark Sanchez.

So we'll take a break. We back with Mark Sanchez.

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All right back here on the Herd, Mark Sanchez breaking down tape of the Indomitable Chiefs.

All right back here on the Herd, Mark Sanchez breaking down tape of the Indomitable Chiefs.

I guess I can say that.

I guess I can say that.

But first I need to ask you Pete Carroll is going to Raiders.

But first I need to ask you Pete Carroll is going to Raiders.

Chip Kelly is his new.

Chip Kelly is his new.

OC, highest BEGOC in the game. I don't know your initial thoughts. They still don't have a quarterback, but still it seems like a good move.

OC, highest BEGOC in the game. I don't know your initial thoughts. They still don't have a quarterback, but still it seems like a good move.

I think that's going to be their biggest issue together. I've played for both of these coaches and how eerily similar they are. And I guess the only analogy I can use is when somebody says, you know, six one way, half a dozen the other, like that's how closely they align when it comes to their mentality, their approach, their positivity, the fact that they you know, respect the psychological prep to the game, the way they can motivate you to be your best version of yourself and to take away any kind of performance anxiety. I've never been around two coaches that pour themselves into that. I mean, Pete was a psychology major from University Pacific, so he knows how to connect with anybody. And Chip, I mean he talks to more military people, more motivational speaker type people. He had so many people come through that aligned with our values. Look at young Sanchez. It's probably thirty pounds later. Oh my god.

I think that's going to be their biggest issue together. I've played for both of these coaches and how eerily similar they are. And I guess the only analogy I can use is when somebody says, you know, six one way, half a dozen the other, like that's how closely they align when it comes to their mentality, their approach, their positivity, the fact that they you know, respect the psychological prep to the game, the way they can motivate you to be your best version of yourself and to take away any kind of performance anxiety. I've never been around two coaches that pour themselves into that. I mean, Pete was a psychology major from University Pacific, so he knows how to connect with anybody. And Chip, I mean he talks to more military people, more motivational speaker type people. He had so many people come through that aligned with our values. Look at young Sanchez. It's probably thirty pounds later. Oh my god.

But yeah, I.

But yeah, I.

Think this could be a pretty special marriage there. And it was actually funny on the way up today when I saw the news and was listening to the show, I texted both of them in the same group chat and I said, never in my life did I ever think I was going to send both of you a message on the same thread.

Think this could be a pretty special marriage there. And it was actually funny on the way up today when I saw the news and was listening to the show, I texted both of them in the same group chat and I said, never in my life did I ever think I was going to send both of you a message on the same thread.

Fired up for you guys.

Fired up for you guys.

Good luck, So so real quick, What do you think they do a quarterback? Do you think they make a play for Sam Darnold, who you're familiar with. Do they get yeah, krk cousins.

Good luck, So so real quick, What do you think they do a quarterback? Do you think they make a play for Sam Darnold, who you're familiar with. Do they get yeah, krk cousins.

I would not be shocked if they went after one of those veterans. Think about when they got Russell Wilson's Remember who else they had? Yep, Hasse well, remember who else they had? Did Hasseback say this?

I would not be shocked if they went after one of those veterans. Think about when they got Russell Wilson's Remember who else they had? Yep, Hasse well, remember who else they had? Did Hasseback say this?

Well, Hasseback mentioned to Varis Jackson and Flynn Flynn who they got from the package?

Well, Hasseback mentioned to Varis Jackson and Flynn Flynn who they got from the package?

Right, Yeah, so they paid him a bunch of money, thought he might be the guy, and then Russ beat him out. So okay, fine, but you gotta have a veteran presence there, whether that's Donald Cousins, do not I know what you're going to say, Oh, here we go here, we do not sleep on Daniel Jones. Wherever that guy goes, if he lands in the right spot, that would be one of the best places for him. With that head coach, he I mean, he has all the ability in the world. That kid would be dialed there. I love I love that possibility.

Right, Yeah, so they paid him a bunch of money, thought he might be the guy, and then Russ beat him out. So okay, fine, but you gotta have a veteran presence there, whether that's Donald Cousins, do not I know what you're going to say, Oh, here we go here, we do not sleep on Daniel Jones. Wherever that guy goes, if he lands in the right spot, that would be one of the best places for him. With that head coach, he I mean, he has all the ability in the world. That kid would be dialed there. I love I love that possibility.

Right, So Wes, you got to clip that off. Daniel Jones Raiders, Daniel Jones for a.

Right, So Wes, you got to clip that off. Daniel Jones Raiders, Daniel Jones for a.

Guy who is just texting the offensive coordinator and I go to the Raiders.

Guy who is just texting the offensive coordinator and I go to the Raiders.

Let's get to the chiefs. Oh boy, these guys.

Let's get to the chiefs. Oh boy, these guys.

Are you getting tired of them?

Are you getting tired of them?

I'm very tired of them.

I'm very tired of them.

I mean, you're witnessing greatness.

I mean, you're witnessing greatness.

Yeah, this is greatness. And Sanchez has a play here, he's going to break down. I won't feel the thunder. But listen, this is genius lettle stuff from an amazing franchise.

Yeah, this is greatness. And Sanchez has a play here, he's going to break down. I won't feel the thunder. But listen, this is genius lettle stuff from an amazing franchise.

They're putting on a masterclass, and it's really it goes back to when times get tough, you gotta have it in a specific situation.

They're putting on a masterclass, and it's really it goes back to when times get tough, you gotta have it in a specific situation.

You go back to your fundamentals. You go to what works. In the words of.

You go back to your fundamentals. You go to what works. In the words of.

Chip Kelly, you don't suddenly rise to some occasion. You don't suddenly have new abilities in these crucial moments. You sink to the level of your preparation. So if you prepare the right way, you'll be prepared for any situation. And if you're not, it's something new. Oh my god, what's going on?