Hour 3 - Mark Sanchez joins The Herd

Published Sep 11, 2024, 8:02 PM

Colin also talks to Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Sanchez about Caleb Williams' struggling in his debut against the Titans

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All right, Let's start with the second highest graded passer in Week one according to Pro Football Focus. Your guy, Sam Darnold. What a performance against that wow hopless Giants. Nineteen to twenty four, two eight two touchdowns. I think he started twelve for twelve something insane.

That I made one one throw that I thought was just He made two throws I thought were big time throws. Nice to see him rallying here.

And Kevin O'Connell spoke about Darnold's performance and he believes that time that he served as a backup with Kyle Shanahan was hugely valuable.

I think Sam being around, you know, being around you know, the Niners and Kyle and how he coached, you know, that group last year.

I think he took a lot of out of that.

And then I think just the way he went about the daily I really stressed to Sam throughout training camp. Uh, you know, as we installed plays, go through a process of how you were digesting that information, what you were doing at night before we you know, if we gave him information early, how he was going about trying to be comfortable with that. That's why we do the things that we do to make sure he does have that confidence.

There is such a gap in quarterback coaching in this league. Minnesota's got it right, Rams, Niners, Kansas City, Denver. Now I think doubt. I think Mike McCarthy does a good job. You can't guy one with that. Cooper Cush, Aaron Rodgers, Cooper Rush and Rogers. What like ten to twelve I think there's yeah, I think there's about I think that's a good number. Ten to about ten coaches in this league. They're just better at that. They're just better at it. Salah and Rodgers. That's not that's not on the left. But I do think I think there are times that the quarterback is better than the coach, and then there are times you have Brian day ball, who's better than the quarterback? So I right now, Sean Payton's better than Bo Nicks and it's uneven. They'll get it right. But I mean the key is if you're a defensive coach and have a quarterback, you have to have buddies who are OC's. You got to get along with people in this league because if you're a defensive coach, you have to have friends outside of your defensive social circle because sometimes your owner's not going to pay two and a half million for that coordinator. That's why it's very important because you don't get a Ben Johnson very often. You may be a head coach for ten years and get one great OC and if he's really great, you get two years of him and then he take the head job.

The head coach.

Yeah, he used to be able to keep an OC twenty five years ago for years and years. You can't keep everybody wants to be when the Ben Johnson stayed and it was a huge story that he stayed.

Very rare.

Yeah, let's go to Marvin Harrison junior colin. He had an uneven opener.

Shall we stay against the Bills?

Weird targeted three times, caught one pass, for four yards down. He was very wide open late in the game, Kyler missed him. Kyler a lot of checkdowns, didn't want to go deep down the field. OC Drew Petzing said the plan is to get more of the ball more, but that he takes responsibility for the lack of targets.

You know, I really try to stress with Kyler's like it's not his job to get certain people the ball or worry about how a guy's doing in the flow of the game. Certainly gonna He's on the forefront of our mind terms of getting into the ball, and I think they did some good things to take him away, and certainly could have called some plays differently to try to get him a little bit more involved early.

But I thought it was a good start. Yeah, I don't know. You know, Harrison, Randy Moss, and Calvin Johnson of the best college receivers I've ever seen. Harrison's in a small group of third best. He's not a burner.

Well, I was gonna bring up the I'm sure you saw the numbers floating around today. They looked at the next gen stats for wide receiver speed and Marvin Harrison was.

Like dead last. Well, he's not a burner. He's not justin Jefferson. That's not what he is. What he is is a big target, great hands, good routes.

So what can he be Mike Evans. I don't think he's gonna be Mike Evans.

Mike Evans is good. No, I think I got the Hall of Fame. Well, I think he is Mike Evans. I think that's a good comp.

I mean, I liked him a lot. Mike Evans came out of the gate and it was dominant.

Well, Roma Dundee didn't get any catches either, he got one catch.

I don't think people thought of him in the Marvin Harrison.

Class, didn't they. Well people, I think people were saying that Neighbors was better than Harrison. I didn't agree, but that's what they said.

I thought that was junk to I don't know. I like Harrison a lot, but that Kyler wasn't looking to him.

Dude, he likes.

He seems to like Dorch, the kid who makes a lot of plays. He seems to love Dorch. He likes Trey mc bride.

George is good. Marvin Harrison is you might use him, I don't know. And by the way, the Rams corners were all beat up last week. I'm not sure if they're back. If they're not, Mark Sanchez has that Arizona Rams game, which is a great game because Rams, I mean, usually you take the Rams, but they are their offensive line is a mess, and now they'll pooka for a month.

So they won the Super Bowl and then everybody who was hurt. The next year they go to the playoffs, and now early everybody's already hurt. Like the final story is I hate to end on our negative note, but the Carolina Panthers, oh boy, what a disaster. I mean, Bryce Young was horrific, thirteen of thirty colin one hundred and sixty one yards, two picks with sack four times. First year head coach Dave Kanalis, who was supposed to resurrect Young, took the blame for Young in the team's performance.

It's both, but honestly, it's on the coaching staff.

It's on us.

We sat there like we were sitting ducks.

We didn't do enough to put our guys to give them simpler solution in some of those and this is one of the best third down pressure packages that you gonna go against. We saw week one we've been against it before. We had a plan, he had counters, so we got out. Coach in that regard, I take that personal.

Yeah, that was bad.

I had a hot take on my podcast that I think Bryce Young could be out of the league as quickly as Josh Rosen was. Remember Josh Rosen one and done in Arizona. He got a nibble in like Miami, then he got a quick bite in Atlanta.

He's done.

Josh Rosen's out of the NFL. It's over.

He had sixteen starts.

I think we're headed that way with Bryce Young. Well, I that doesn't bother me as much as it would have ten years ago. I think these guys come in with so many seven on seven camps and personal coaching. I'm just less. You know, you go fifteen years ago, Mark Sanchez will be on you didn't have all the seven on seven summer stuff, the personal coaching. I'm I'm not gonna give a quarterback the runway I did ten years ago.

But here's the thing.

Bryce Young is not gonna become like a Baker Mayfield where Baker three four teams and now he's resurrected.

I don't see that from Bryce Young.

We saw him way back.

Do you remember his first like training camp and he had the oversized helmet and I was like, dude, what he does not look like an NFL quarterback And we got to laugh at it, joking Colin. Nothing's changed, though.

Well, here's the utter thing. He has a very smart offensive coach. So if he can't resurrect him. You know, like if McVeigh or Shanahan bail on a quarterback, he's frying out the guy, right. That's why everybody likes Sam Donald in the league because Shanahan loved him and Kevin O'Connell loved him. So that's that's a lot of Donald's. The affinity for Donald is because all the smart offensive guys are like, we think he can play. And by the way, McVeigh liked Baker Mayfield and a lot of offensive guys like Baker Mayfield. So if Canals can't get him to be competent, good luck.

By the way, Trey Lance couldn't work with Shanahan. I tried Dallas then through five picks in a preseason game.

Like, and McCarthy is much better than we give him credit for.

I mean, some of these young quarterbacks, you know, you get your chance and that's it tough.

J Mack within the news, Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

You know, it's it's always interesting to me to watch who are broadcasters, what games they get. And I think the Rams Arizona this week is fascinating because a it's a rivalry game. The Rams have dominated. But Los Angeles O line is it is a mess. I mean they're pulling guy. I think they just pulled somebody from the Eagles who got cut. They don't have starters. Let's bring in Mark Sanchez, Fox Sports NFL analysts first time this football season. It's great to have him. I didn't mark this down as a week before the season started, said that game is going to be fascinating. So I want to ask you this. I thought watching Detroit in LA they were short bodies, and I thought when it got to overtime, the Rams just ran a bob. When you're in the league as a quarterback, and now Stafford's got no left tackle starter, the kid the other kid on a TCU's not playing. Does it affect the way you think as a quarterback? Get it out, get it fast? I mean, you tell me.

Well, I have one agree that.

When there's that much turnover up front and like they had, guys are suspended, guys go down, guys are injured. To start the game, Stafford knew exactly what to do, and that's his year upon year upon year of experience and understanding. I don't have time to get it to three, four and five. So if one and two aren't open, I'm expediting my read I'm I'm speeding up my process. And he's able to do that because of his experience. He put on an absolute clinic.

It was the incredible.

I don't know if I've seen a coordinator and quarterback in lockstep like that in a long time. It was the O line's held together by scotch tape, not even and duct tape. At that point, Stafford's got a bum ankle from getting twisted up in the game, tougher than nails. I mean, the guy probably puts glass in his oatmeal in the morning because he is an absolute iron man. But there goes Nakoua on the stretcher in the locker room, and this dude is still dealing on throwing, both on the road in a hostile environment, in a place he played his whole life, his whole career before LA And you don't think they're just they just want him to cough it up. They just want him to make the bad throw, make the bad decision, and he refused to do it. It's it was a little bit of the antithesis of what we saw in our game with the Bears and the Titans. Two younger guys who don't have that experience and when things go off the rails a little bit, they don't have that resolve yet. Now it's a muscle that you need to stretch and you need to exercise to be able to employ. But Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay were absolutely lights out. And you talk about scheming guys to get open, you talk about you motion pre snap alignment shifts and formation formations. Their shift in formation playbook with motions has to be like the cheesecake factory menu.

I guarantee it.

That's probably one of the hardest things to learn in their offense because they're all over the place and to play in that system, you got to know where to line up and what's the play caller's purpose. I think when you see a quarterback execute at that level with that many issues going on around him, having to put out fire after fire, in the middle of plays, in between plays, getting guys lined up whatever it is, and still reading the defense and still delivering the ball off your back foot like that at thirty seven years old, escaping the pocket and still running scramble drill. You have to understand the play caller's purpose. Why are we running the play, what are they doing to us on defense? How do I get out of trouble? What's my contingency plan? It was incredible. It was one of the best performances I've seen by him.

You know, last year I still thought he was an MVP candidate.

I want to It's really interesting. I thought the three coaches that blew me away in week one were Andy, Shanahan and McVeagh, where I'm like, okay, they had all summer to put this on staples. I don't know if you can do that in week nine to ten. I don't know if you could put the cheesecake factory menu in So when I look at the Jets. My takeaway was this was a big ask. I know McCaffrey didn't play, but Mark similarly, Miami does this too. I look at San Francis. I try to guess play calling when I watch a game. I look with Los Angeles, Kansas City and San Francisco. I am lost, so Ustad McVeigh cheesecake Factory. Is San Francisco is at the same level, because.

Oh it's similar at the top, like that, there's more than one play option at the beginning, guys are white over yes, and you're making decisions before the ball snapped. Most of the time, i'd say ninety five percent of the time, when you have a call at run it basically the coach calls it and you go in the huddle, tell them what's going on, walk up to the lines, GrimAge, and execute the play.

That is a rarity in their systems.

You got to go up there with multiple options, so you've got to be able to process all that and there's a lot of moving parts to get that done with. With the Jets on the road, I think a lot of it was a little bit of rust. Rogers hasn't played in over a season. You know, it's that's part of it. I think getting in a groove with his players is an issue right now, and it's still so early. You can't write these guys off. I mean, Jamak, I know you're just throwing people out of the league here. Let's just put the flamethrower on a shelf. Maybe you know what I mean. It's week one, big guy. What do we always say week one is a dirty little liar like your ex Okay.

Just hang in there, hanging their patients.

So so with with Rogers, I think part of the other problem was, I mean, they only ran a.

Handful of plays minutes.

So when when you have that small of a sample size, any negative play is amplified, magnified because you know the drops by brief, all the fumble, the interception, It's like.

Oh, these guys are terrible.

Well, okay, twenty five thirty more plays and you change the outcome of a ballgame. So the forty nine ers just absolutely took it to them on the ground game. Oh my god. I mean it was a teach tape on how to rush the football and Jordan Mason was an absolute monster. So those guys are road grading that defense. I think it amplified the issues they have on defensive line. They got to get another pass rusher, they got one waiting in the wings. What's going to happen with that negotiation in Hassan Redick because that'll take a little pressure off of Quentinnin Williams and Jermaine Johnson, right, Like, those things are important. So now where does that go? You know, does does Joe Douglas want to budget a little bit here and say, gosh, we need somebody or you know, who's leverage, who has more leverage? Now in that situation, that's a tough one to deal with Week two now, so I'll be curious to see how they bounce back. But I mean, listen, one bad week on the road across the country, getting back at seven in the morning, going straight back into the building, getting ready for another road trip in Tennessee. That's that's not an easy start to the schedule. So if anybody can do it, it's Aaron Rodgers. I don't want to bet against the upset and disgruntled Aaron Rodgers. That's, you know, not the not the wagering side I'd like to be on.

It's interesting, I asked, Maybe it was Edelman, I asked, somebody this week or last week about one of the things I had sympathy for Aaron. I remember when Brady got hurt and missed the season. I can remember the next two years. He got pissy if you got near his boat. Tom was in mood. He would turn and barket officials. Yeah, and so I'm thinking Aaron's had four snaps in so many years. I didn't think he was tentative to his credit, No, but I did think he stayed within about a four foot radius that he wasn't quite like Stafford's not a runner, but he moves a lot in the pocket. I did look at Aaron and think, boy, his radius has shrunk. He didn't he wanted to sit around for a second pitch. What did you make of it?

I think he was doing a lot of what Stafford was doing, and that's expediting his reads because he had to based on the pressure he was getting, based on how fast flow that defense is and how quickly they were applying pressure to him. He's got to make decisions. He's not going to just stand there and hold the ball. That's not his game. He's gonna move on. He's gonna shuffle, move, escape the pocket. Quickly and get rid of the football. He's not gonna take the nineteen yard sack, you know what I mean.

That's not his thing. So he's going to stay ahead of that.

And some of that takes reps to actually work through those things and kind of remind himself a little bit about how good he is in space, in the pocket, that short area of quickness. He's still got more than enough of that to make this thing work.

You know, in golf, you're as good as your confidence, right, Well, we've seen great golfers of Greg Norman and Nick Faldo get on a green light and you lose it the yips they call it, with your irons. I don't know if there's a player in the league at quarterback that is more confident driven than Baker Mayfield. And now he's in Tampa. He's got no pressure. He's the latest swashbuckling.

Or no pressure.

Well, I mean in the world. I know, I know, but Tommy won the trophy. He's getting. They like him, he's their guy. There's no backup pushing him. I watch him in Tampa and I'm like, should Cleveland should have kept him? I mean, it is what do you make of his rebirth because it feels better than Gino, it feels stronger than Derek Carr. I watch him Sunday and I'm like, he is Dylan.

I think it's situational.

I think the confidence that the team and the organization has publicly expressed, excuse me, in him.

He feeds off of that. You're right, he does enjoy that and he rides that wave.

But he's also developed into a guy that you know isn't as reckless with the football. You don't see quite as many extended plays that get little sideways. The nineteen yard sack once again. I mean, if you're gonna do that, that's an absolute drive killer. The chair nances of you converting on that drive after taking that big of a loss are infinitesimal, right, So you gotta move on, cutbait and move on with your life. Continue to stack good plays, get me out of bad place. You're gonna get fifteen ish third downs a game, eight of them. You're gonna get exactly what you're expecting. You should have one, two, three balls got to come out. If you got to check it down, check it down. But those seven five to seven third downs where you've got to make great decisions with the football in your hand. Remember that's the aspirations, hopes and dreams of the entire franchise that you control every snap if you can make those great decisions in those crunch time moments, in the split second it takes to say yes or no on a throw.

Do I cut this ball loose? Do I chance it?

Will?

Levis up seventeen, you know, up a point late in the game, You know what I mean? Like those kind of play That has to be the decision making and the discernment that you need to keep your team in the game, keep them in it till the fourth core. Then when it's time to cut it loose, it's fourth down, you gotta throw the Hail Mary whatever. Okay, that's fine, but until then you better be sharp with your decision making or else you're gonna give the game away. And a lot of these games are they're lost?

Not one? All right?

He Mark brings tape Caleb Williams, will Levis.

I can't wait.

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Mark Sanchez rams Cardinals for Eastern on Fox. Very interesting for West Coast viewers. So I had said last week Tennessee was one of my picks of the week last week, and I said, listen three times at college Caleb completed under fifty eight percent of his throws. He was fifty percent in pre season. I like him, but with the gms I talked to all pointed to one thing. He has erratic accuracy and they'd feel better if it was an offensive culture of Mcbeyah Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell to pull him back into the fairway. Historically, Chicago's defensive coaches defensive culture. So the concern is he's a little inconsistent on accuracy. So when I watched the Tennessee game, it's hard the pass rush roma Donze's a rookie. I don't want to be too judgmental. A little concerning for me. He missed a couple open guys, So you have teach me something.

Yeah, so are we do? You want to start with Levis or.

Kel, start with Caleb?

Yeah, that's find me. So I think one of the things understanding the big picture is what Stafford did so well the other night, right understanding what his limitations were personnel wise, up front, understanding what the defense is doing to him, and that comes with time. Your first game as a rookie at home, the weight of the world is on your shoulders. You got to be Sid Luckman, you got to be Jim McMahon. I mean, jeez, Louis. It's there's a lot going into it. So your ability to lock in and focus is based on a plan. Knowing who you're going against who's who's my opponent? What do they do well? Denard Wilson, the defensive coordinator from the Tennessee Titans. It's his first year coordinating, but you couldn't tell. I mean, it looked great what he had, But you know he's a pressure guy. He was under Greg Williams for a while. That's like one of his mentors. What does Greg Williams do? They call him doctor Heat for a reason. He's gonna light you up, and he's gonna bring looks that you've never seen, unscouted stuff. It's week one. You better have your head on a swivel and be ready to put out some fires and have a contingency plan. So what does that look like? I need three options for all out pressure or uncomfortable looks where I can just spit the ball out a couple of them. I want to be able to motion somebody down, block it up, and if they fool me and back.

Out of there, I check it down and move on.

And if they do, bring the house and I got it blocked up and it's one on one downfield, go gash them. Go make them pay for trying to take your head off, right, that's how you got to approach this thing. But I need at least three options. So when you watch this tape, they're gonna get to an empty formation. They're gonna motion Travis Homer out of the backfield. There goes Kenneth Murray to guard them, so you know it's man and man across the board. Now my problem area is gonna.

Be up top.

You see these guys five for five matching everybody, but up top they got a nickel over number three, Gerald Everett and a safety behind him.

That's where my attention should be. On the left.

That's my problem. It's two for two down here. I'm not worried about down here. So what does Denard Wilson do. He brings the nickel off the top, drops their two best pass rushers into the void that they're leaving. By bringing that nickel to ruin, Caleb shot to throw it quickly to the right, and his eyes are clearly to the right. He's looking at Keenan right away. So now it gets him late to the backside, where I don't believe you should be throwing an inside slot fade as a second read.

That's an alert. I want your eyes there.

I want you to see the relationship, especially with the pocket that clean. You gotta set into that throw and see that. The only thing I don't want you watching on an inside slot fade is if you're holding that free safety. I'm holding the safety and then I'm getting a feel for that relationship with my slot receiver and the defender over him.

Is there space? Is he out running them? Do I put it right on him?

Because the DB's over the top, he can't figure that out, and he's reacting and throwing at the same time. I think a lot of this is the starting point of his eyes and then his drop integrity. He gets a little shuffley at the top of his drop and it's not defined if it's a five step I want to see five steps. Hit your back foot, quick reset ball out. That will help his accuracy down the field. But if you're going to react and throw and kind of shuffle off your back foot and launch it up in the air, your accuracy is just gonna plumb it exactly right. But so here's you know, when you watch tape of him and you watch that high end zone clip, the eye in the sky never lies. The stripe on your helmet will tell me the story of your eyes. If you don't have the stripe, those two c's on the side of his helmet. The details are in that logo.

Right. If I see both logos.

On a bunch of plays in a row, my man's looking at too much stuff, right, There's too much going on. And that was Denard Wilson's plan. Make him think at the end of this game. If I'm Denard Wilson, I'm happy flying home on that plane.

If Caleb's brain.

Is completely scrambled, that's my end goal because if he scrambled, he doesn't know where to go with the football. If you don't know where to go with the football. We got him right, and that's essentially the situation they put him in. And it was tough to watch because he's so talented and he's gonna get there. He's gonna figure this out. This is one of the best learning experiences for him because they got the w right. Usually you play like that and win a game, no chance. Right, I've literally done it. I've thrown three picks and won a game because our defense was awesome.

Right.

They kept getting us the ball back and I'd give it right back away. And it's these lessons are hard to learn, but it takes the sting out of it a little bit when you win the game.

So bottom line.

Is he picked up the w which is really hard to come by, especially the way he played. So now, what how do you move on? How do you get better from this? And I really think it's the starting point of his eyes. Just get off on the right foot. Just start me off in the right direction with my eyes and then define those drops because that'll help with his timing and his accuracy.

Okay, Will Levis Yeah to me, I'll just tell you what my take is. He's a bit mechanical, not quite fluid enough, very mechanical, very ripped. I wish he was a little looser. But this whatever, that's just my you know, don't know what I'm talking about. View. What does the tape say? What did he struggle with most?

You know?

I think for Will that was his tenth start he had nine last year, And I think one of the biggest takeaways from him is the big picture view. I want him to understand the aerial view of the parade. I want him to get that ingrained in his brain because when you jump out to a seventeen point lead, on the road with a rookie quarterback on the other side, feeling the boo birds of Chicago coming out and booing them like crazy. I mean, dude, this is the chant. Hey kick that thing into cruise control. Give me fifty five miles an hour middle lane of the highway. No risk right now, absolutely no risk. No need to attack this thing. If they give you a perfect look and somebody's wide open, heck, yes, man, cut it loose and be you go handle it.

But there's no need to put the ball in harm's way.

So when you watch his first play, they're doing a similar thing, using motion to try and get a good look at the defense.

Clear up the picture.

Nobody runs with them. You know you're gonna get some sort of zone. They got a nickel and Kyler Gordon on the snap over. Calvin Ridley pressed up. He's got blitz eyes looking inside. Boom, there comes the pressure. Will Levis is looking at Calvin Ridley for a quick answer to get this ball out now. I'm not sitting in their meetings. I don't know what they're hot in sight structure is, but that's an easy outlet right there.

Get rid of it.

They do an excellent job up front of bringing the pressure from the right side with these three players and then having Edwards over the guard. Edward's over the guard, keeps the guard inside to get the free runner, and then he pops out. That ball's got to come out to Ridley before Edwards makes a play. He bluffs the blitz and gets out to cover. Now Levis feels the pressure has to drift to the left Seese. This guy he's not open. He wants to throw it. He wants to throw He even pumps it for a second.

Right there.

You fall down, You fall down this extra ugh, I gotta make the play.

I got it.

You're up a point. These guys are already coming back. The momentum is starting to shift. Don't let that defense who's a bouquet of you know, Venus fly traps. They led the league in interceptions last year. They were number one against the run. I mean, don't even give him a chance to come back in this game. You're already owning the ballgame. That's the big picture view. I want him to get to and if he can eliminate that and the drive with the kick field goal, pat punt right there, Just punt.

Move on with your life. Cut bait and let's go.

But that that's going to be crucial because he's got to understand what wins games, but he also has to understand what loses games.

That can lose a game quickly.

Miller Moss, you see now you know him because of high school in southern California, which you know, the litany of schools. Sure, I said this a couple of weeks ago, that kid on platform, moving right, just short screens. He is accurate. Absolutely, this looks like a real name.

It looks like you know.

Conversely to what we just mentioned, Will Levis, like, I think he really does get the big picture.

He's not the most athletic guy.

No, he doesn't have the biggest arm, so he is forced, right that necessity breeds these kind of things, right, He has to find a way to get completions, to steal completions from the pocket, and he can't run around all game and look for the guy in street ball and whatever like that's not his game. So he's got to understand leverage, spatial awareness, anticipation because he doesn't have the cannon for an arm that I see him open, I see him open, foom and add a little extra juice on the football to get it before the window closes to complete the ball. So because of that, you can tell he's a very cerebral point guard that can distribute and gets the big picture why we're running these plays where my potential issues are. Now, it's only been a two game sample. They got a bye week and then they go to Michigan, So Michigan's not going to be happy obviously, after they got smacked a little bit week one. That's gonna be a tough place to play. There's a lot of things that's still come into play that way, but for the most part, everything I've seen has been nails and they're looking up. I think he kind of got the benefit of the doubt of flying under the radar a little bit. You know, he's not Caleb, so he could kind of you know, sit back, relax, expect surprise some people.

But there's tape out now.

You know, these these defensive coordinators, they live to ruin your game day, so they're gonna be standing up all night trying to figure out, Okay, we can't let him scramble to the right. Whatever we do, just cut off the right, yeah, okay, and make him beat us to the left. If he beats us to the left, fine, we got to take away his first and second option, force him to get to number three.

That kind of thing.

We got to eliminate some of that space in the pocket and eliminate some of these quick throws for him so he doesn't get off to such a hot start. It's fun, though, Oh it's awesome. I'm glad football's back. Other than I mean, what was going on on a Tuesday at your house last night?

You said ice creams, cigars.

Like that's like a laundry place with scissor sharpening and pancakes.

What is going on?

Well, there was no game. It was just it was it was the debate, and so I said, I don't have anything to cover. I just want to Yeah. It was hotly contested.

Oh got it.

It's just one signs blaming the moderators. The other side's halfy. I'm not going to get into it. Oh, man, boy, you're good at this. Appreciate it was really really good at this. You know one of these weeks. Well, Arizona Rams, I'm jealous of you.

That's fun.

That is Owen two's trouble in this league.

Duel in the Desert big divisional matchup.

It is now. I think mcvay's owned this one. I think I think he's done really well in this But you know, Owen two got ten chance to make the playoffs and the NFC, as you know, is much better. Yeah, there's some the bottom of the NFC is pretty small. There's a couple of bads, but that's about it, all right. Mark Sanchez want to thank him for stopping by today. Joel Clatt, Danny Parkins, we will see you tomorrow on a Thursday, live in Los Angeles as hits the Herd.

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