Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio now. Jmac over here is like, I you know, it's a little dicey. I'm like, hey, we're journalists. You gotta get on this stuff. Eh, yeah, all right, so listen. I defended Jordan. I even defend her real estate empire which she's building. She's a go getter. She's you know, her mom and dad had a business and went bankrupt. Hey, I'm you know the fear. She's like, hey, I'm gonna go get her. I get it, like, I'm gonna defend her. I defend She's a tough pr She's telling people don't ask.

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That question and doesn't bother me at all.

That question and doesn't bother me at all.

It is there are people around Bill that are a little concerned. In Patriot Nation, if you're on a text chain, it's just say, you don't have to give me names. Would it be concerned? Would it be He's okay, because it's like a thing.

It is there are people around Bill that are a little concerned. In Patriot Nation, if you're on a text chain, it's just say, you don't have to give me names. Would it be concerned? Would it be He's okay, because it's like a thing.

Now, yeah, it is a thing.

Now, yeah, it is a thing.

And uh, the number one thing we used to talk about all the time in New England was distractions.

And uh, the number one thing we used to talk about all the time in New England was distractions.

Let's not make distractions.

Let's not make distractions.

The games already as hard as it is to prepare for to play, to coach, and and you know, regardless of what her role is, Jordan, Uh, yeah, I thought he got an unfair public opinion on the whole thing, because that happens all the time any time we're doing behind the scenes this that you got someone who represents you, they're gonna jump in. But now that it's it's gained and it's snowball to the what it's become right now where we're talking about it three weeks later, it's becoming a distraction. So that's what I'm sure that's what we all think right now. This is becoming a distraction. We gotta we gotta gotta gotta.

The games already as hard as it is to prepare for to play, to coach, and and you know, regardless of what her role is, Jordan, Uh, yeah, I thought he got an unfair public opinion on the whole thing, because that happens all the time any time we're doing behind the scenes this that you got someone who represents you, they're gonna jump in. But now that it's it's gained and it's snowball to the what it's become right now where we're talking about it three weeks later, it's becoming a distraction. So that's what I'm sure that's what we all think right now. This is becoming a distraction. We gotta we gotta gotta gotta.

Practice what we preach here.

Practice what we preach here.

Yeah, I mean they're Barry White said, they're both benefiting from this, her professionally, him somewhat professionally.

Yeah, I mean they're Barry White said, they're both benefiting from this, her professionally, him somewhat professionally.

So I don't like to be too judgy on this stuff.

So I don't like to be too judgy on this stuff.

I don't either, but you know, once again, I mean we're talking about this. Three weeks later, it's on ABC. It's on this, It's on that. I mean, it's getting to a point where we gotta we gotta start worrying about you know, the acc we gotta start worrying about Dabbo Sweeney. We shouldn't be talking about our girlfriend. And that's what That's how coach would say to us. So you know, that's that's the truth. You know, when it comes down to running a football organization and playing football, let's make the main thing the main thing.

I don't either, but you know, once again, I mean we're talking about this. Three weeks later, it's on ABC. It's on this, It's on that. I mean, it's getting to a point where we gotta we gotta start worrying about you know, the acc we gotta start worrying about Dabbo Sweeney. We shouldn't be talking about our girlfriend. And that's what That's how coach would say to us. So you know, that's that's the truth. You know, when it comes down to running a football organization and playing football, let's make the main thing the main thing.

So you were with New England at a very interesting time when they acquired Randy Moss.

So you were with New England at a very interesting time when they acquired Randy Moss.

You were there for the last year and a few games.

You were there for the last year and a few games.

And I think Randy's better than George Pickens, but I think both are spectacular talents that can be at times a bit moody and can be, by the way, confrontational. That's not terrible, but receivers tend to be outspoken. They're they're the NBA dudes of football. They break the huddle first, they're out on an island. They're often the best athlete. So when a player like Randy there was that sideline blow up against like Miami, what does it do to it because Mike Tomlin just said, yeah, I'm done.

And I think Randy's better than George Pickens, but I think both are spectacular talents that can be at times a bit moody and can be, by the way, confrontational. That's not terrible, but receivers tend to be outspoken. They're they're the NBA dudes of football. They break the huddle first, they're out on an island. They're often the best athlete. So when a player like Randy there was that sideline blow up against like Miami, what does it do to it because Mike Tomlin just said, yeah, I'm done.

Yeah, he he.

Yeah, he he.

Kept a b for several years. When there is a combative player and you got a little bit of Randy, Bill moved off it fast, right, Like did that happen overnight?

Kept a b for several years. When there is a combative player and you got a little bit of Randy, Bill moved off it fast, right, Like did that happen overnight?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I mean, you know there was that there was a confrontation with you know, on the sideline in Miami. He was traded next week and that was my first moment in the NFO where you're like, damn, everyone's expendable, right, Randy Moss just got cut, you know. And Randy wasn't a problem like that. But what it was is we were in the gap of the dynasty, the old dynasty, in trying to develop the new team, and so there was a lot of young foundational players there that Bill probably didn't want that to be a scene thing that hey, this is all right. So you know, he Randy Moss and everyone in the locker room, you know, straightened up right away.

I mean, you know there was that there was a confrontation with you know, on the sideline in Miami. He was traded next week and that was my first moment in the NFO where you're like, damn, everyone's expendable, right, Randy Moss just got cut, you know. And Randy wasn't a problem like that. But what it was is we were in the gap of the dynasty, the old dynasty, in trying to develop the new team, and so there was a lot of young foundational players there that Bill probably didn't want that to be a scene thing that hey, this is all right. So you know, he Randy Moss and everyone in the locker room, you know, straightened up right away.

Say so when Randy left, you lose the talent, But you did feel immediately a sort of the temperature came down.

Say so when Randy left, you lose the talent, But you did feel immediately a sort of the temperature came down.

Yeah, but you know that's this is also apples and oranges. You know, we had Tom Brady who had three super Bowls.

Yeah, but you know that's this is also apples and oranges. You know, we had Tom Brady who had three super Bowls.

We got built.

We got built.

We don't know who their quarterback is.

We don't know who their quarterback is.

We don't know who the quarterback is. Uh, you know, you had other players.

We don't know who the quarterback is. Uh, you know, you had other players.

You had a young Rob Grenkowski and Aaron Hernandez who were there at that point. Like the team was changing already, so it wouldn't It wasn't like we just got jumped ship because he popped off. They they clearly had a plan to go to that twelve personnel group and that's what we ended up doing for the next few years.

You had a young Rob Grenkowski and Aaron Hernandez who were there at that point. Like the team was changing already, so it wouldn't It wasn't like we just got jumped ship because he popped off. They they clearly had a plan to go to that twelve personnel group and that's what we ended up doing for the next few years.

So I don't know.

So I don't know.

How this Pickens is gonna deal is gonna is gonna turn out, because ultimately, I mean, Dak's had weapons. What makes Dak good is when he has a run game. That's the truth. And they didn't get it. They didn't get a big time running back. I know they got a running back in the fifth and they got to They got the Williams kid out of Denver from last year. But that's a quarterback's best friend is a run game. They have Ferguson, who's hell of a tight end. They got CD who's gonna benefit hugely from Pickens if Pickens is count to.

How this Pickens is gonna deal is gonna is gonna turn out, because ultimately, I mean, Dak's had weapons. What makes Dak good is when he has a run game. That's the truth. And they didn't get it. They didn't get a big time running back. I know they got a running back in the fifth and they got to They got the Williams kid out of Denver from last year. But that's a quarterback's best friend is a run game. They have Ferguson, who's hell of a tight end. They got CD who's gonna benefit hugely from Pickens if Pickens is count to.

Play a ballage on him.

Play a ballage on him.

Yeah, and I think Dak's gonna be able to handle all that, But you know, I think they need to address the running back room. Some one of those guys got to come out of nowhere and play.

Yeah, and I think Dak's gonna be able to handle all that, But you know, I think they need to address the running back room. Some one of those guys got to come out of nowhere and play.

Well.

Well.

I'll never I'll never judge a draft pick lineman from the Cowboys. They know how to do that, so I'm sure that pick will be all right. But the running back thing is what ultimately concerns me the most about them.

I'll never I'll never judge a draft pick lineman from the Cowboys. They know how to do that, so I'm sure that pick will be all right. But the running back thing is what ultimately concerns me the most about them.

So you when Travis Hunter gets picked, we talked about how is he going to be in an offensive in a defensive meeting?

So you when Travis Hunter gets picked, we talked about how is he going to be in an offensive in a defensive meeting?

Actually when you came out, did you do that at New England?

Actually when you came out, did you do that at New England?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I did that my third year.

I did that my third year.

We were down at Star, so I started playing the Star and we got to put this in context. Though Star is the nickel, I was the nickel. Let's put this in context. I wasn't the best receiver on my team at that point of my career. I wasn't even sniffing the best corner on that team. So when I was going in, I was guarding the fifth to sixth best player, and the I was getting guarded by the fourth the fifth best guy on defense. This is completely different. And I had two years of offense already in my system. I knew the offense right, So on Thursdays I would leave all the defensive.

We were down at Star, so I started playing the Star and we got to put this in context. Though Star is the nickel, I was the nickel. Let's put this in context. I wasn't the best receiver on my team at that point of my career. I wasn't even sniffing the best corner on that team. So when I was going in, I was guarding the fifth to sixth best player, and the I was getting guarded by the fourth the fifth best guy on defense. This is completely different. And I had two years of offense already in my system. I knew the offense right, So on Thursdays I would leave all the defensive.

Meetings, I would have a defense.

Meetings, I would have a defense.

I would be in defense Monday, Twoesday or Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then on certain third down periods or third down days, which is usually Thursday, I'd hop into the offensive group and go over my installation for my four wide group, my package for that third down package. But everything else, I had to get accustomed to corner because I never played it before. Now Travis is gonna do this, he still has to develop into great one of these sides, you know, and that takes time, that takes film, that takes reps at both, and that takes coaching at both.

I would be in defense Monday, Twoesday or Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then on certain third down periods or third down days, which is usually Thursday, I'd hop into the offensive group and go over my installation for my four wide group, my package for that third down package. But everything else, I had to get accustomed to corner because I never played it before. Now Travis is gonna do this, he still has to develop into great one of these sides, you know, and that takes time, that takes film, that takes reps at both, and that takes coaching at both.

So it's gonna be very tough.

So it's gonna be very tough.

But I do think he could have packages, you know, so he goes and plays corner the whole time. Maybe you have him on a red zone package. You have six to eight plays that you know he's comfortable with. You know, the quarterback's comfortable with throwing it to him. And that's another thing, you know, is the quarterback gonna be comfortable throwing to a guy if he's in the defensive meetings all day, he's not asking questions when you're installing the plays, how they gonna do that. They're gonna put in more time. There's collective bargaining agreement. You can't do that any more, so like, what are we going to do here? The time is the hardest part about this, and it's the preparation for playing both sides. And then you know you're not playing Colorado State defense guys, you're playing the best guy in his conference in the NCAA when he played every single play. So you know it's going to beat you up a little. So it's gonna be a tough situation to go through. If there's a guy that can do it, it's Travis Hunter. But I think that they're going to have to pick one side, I don't know what side that is, and then give them packages on the other.

But I do think he could have packages, you know, so he goes and plays corner the whole time. Maybe you have him on a red zone package. You have six to eight plays that you know he's comfortable with. You know, the quarterback's comfortable with throwing it to him. And that's another thing, you know, is the quarterback gonna be comfortable throwing to a guy if he's in the defensive meetings all day, he's not asking questions when you're installing the plays, how they gonna do that. They're gonna put in more time. There's collective bargaining agreement. You can't do that any more, so like, what are we going to do here? The time is the hardest part about this, and it's the preparation for playing both sides. And then you know you're not playing Colorado State defense guys, you're playing the best guy in his conference in the NCAA when he played every single play. So you know it's going to beat you up a little. So it's gonna be a tough situation to go through. If there's a guy that can do it, it's Travis Hunter. But I think that they're going to have to pick one side, I don't know what side that is, and then give them packages on the other.

So I think the most improved team I predicted last year it would be Washington. I got lucky on that. This year, I think it's New England. I think, you know, I think they bought about five starters and they drafted about three.

So I think the most improved team I predicted last year it would be Washington. I got lucky on that. This year, I think it's New England. I think, you know, I think they bought about five starters and they drafted about three.

What did you see?

What did you see?

I mean it usually there's a plan, you know, Rabel, when you watched the draft Tree agency, what was the plan you saw?

I mean it usually there's a plan, you know, Rabel, when you watched the draft Tree agency, what was the plan you saw?

Well, clearly offense.

Well, clearly offense.

First three picks, you will Campbell with the fourth overall pick. That's a huge, huge piece for them. They needed offensive line. They showed that they needed offensive line. They went out and drafted guy with the fourth pick that they liked. They didn't wait and try to do something cute, trade back, do this, do that.

First three picks, you will Campbell with the fourth overall pick. That's a huge, huge piece for them. They needed offensive line. They showed that they needed offensive line. They went out and drafted guy with the fourth pick that they liked. They didn't wait and try to do something cute, trade back, do this, do that.

They got the guy.

They got the guy.

They wanted, and then they get Hendrickson in the second round Ohio State. I think him paired up with Josh McDaniels is going to be so big for the development of Drake May. What all our Super Bowl teams, we had Shane Green who had thirteen catches out of the backfield, who was great with protections. We had James White who had fifteen catches in the Super Bowl, was great with protections. All I keep on hearing about this Hendrickson kid, kids, great with protections, great with the ball in his hands. Him, Josh McDaniels. That's going to be great for Drake May. And then the third round receiver of the Williams kid play dude, he haven't, but I've asked all my guys.

They wanted, and then they get Hendrickson in the second round Ohio State. I think him paired up with Josh McDaniels is going to be so big for the development of Drake May. What all our Super Bowl teams, we had Shane Green who had thirteen catches out of the backfield, who was great with protections. We had James White who had fifteen catches in the Super Bowl, was great with protections. All I keep on hearing about this Hendrickson kid, kids, great with protections, great with the ball in his hands. Him, Josh McDaniels. That's going to be great for Drake May. And then the third round receiver of the Williams kid play dude, he haven't, but I've asked all my guys.

He's great.

He's great.

I keep on asking all my GM guys. I'm like, Yo, what's this kid about and they're like, dude, he's good.

I keep on asking all my GM guys. I'm like, Yo, what's this kid about and they're like, dude, he's good.

He will start.

He will start.

So, you know, I was very excited with what they did in the draft and in the offseason, adding you know, tackle with Moses on the you know, veteran tackle to kind of help. He got a center, and they got a center in the fourth Uh, you know, with Williams on the defensive side. They handled a bunch of that in free agency. It seems like they're spending their money. They're they're adding the right positions. Now they got to go out and prepare and execute it and do it.

So, you know, I was very excited with what they did in the draft and in the offseason, adding you know, tackle with Moses on the you know, veteran tackle to kind of help. He got a center, and they got a center in the fourth Uh, you know, with Williams on the defensive side. They handled a bunch of that in free agency. It seems like they're spending their money. They're they're adding the right positions. Now they got to go out and prepare and execute it and do it.

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There's a story out true or not.

There's a story out true or not.

Aaron would never admit to it that Rogers Aaron Rodgers is waiting.

Aaron would never admit to it that Rogers Aaron Rodgers is waiting.

For the TV schedule to come out.

For the TV schedule to come out.

Aaron did not want to do another Sunday Night, Monday night, Thursday night, just like the NFL last year had Mahomes plan like everything, but Tuesday.

Aaron did not want to do another Sunday Night, Monday night, Thursday night, just like the NFL last year had Mahomes plan like everything, but Tuesday.

I can assure them the Pittsburgh Steelers will not be playing.

I can assure them the Pittsburgh Steelers will not be playing.

It's yay because Kirk Cousins, legendary didn't like it.

It's yay because Kirk Cousins, legendary didn't like it.

Manning Peyton didn't like it.

Manning Peyton didn't like it.

How was Brady knowing creature of habit that his schedule? Now it's Sunday night again, How did you guys handle You didn't play in the one o'clock window.

How was Brady knowing creature of habit that his schedule? Now it's Sunday night again, How did you guys handle You didn't play in the one o'clock window.

Much, No, and you loved playing in those one o'clock winds.

Much, No, and you loved playing in those one o'clock winds.

Everybody everyone does because you get up, go game, you get to watch the four o'clocks on the way home.

Everybody everyone does because you get up, go game, you get to watch the four o'clocks on the way home.

It's just an easier schedule.

It's just an easier schedule.

But you know that was one thing you know, no one batted an eye with in New England. You know what time we played when we played like the one o'clocks. Everyone likes the one o'clocks, But I also like the night games. That's when everyone was watching you. That's when the show was all about you. That's when you can go and show the world what you were about. So you know, it's a double edged sword. But you know, this whole Aaron Rodgers thing, the more I think about it, man, maybe he is really just that much smarter where he's probably gonna land into like some team that gets a hurt quarterback that he really likes, you know what I mean? At first, I was so on the fence, like why wouldn't he sign somewhere? You know, we saw his time in the Jets that he struggled with being on the same chemistry page with his receivers, which has developed through organized team activities, many camps off season, and you need those practices, So why is he doing it again? And then you know, hey, the draft, they didn't draft a quarterback.

But you know that was one thing you know, no one batted an eye with in New England. You know what time we played when we played like the one o'clocks. Everyone likes the one o'clocks, But I also like the night games. That's when everyone was watching you. That's when the show was all about you. That's when you can go and show the world what you were about. So you know, it's a double edged sword. But you know, this whole Aaron Rodgers thing, the more I think about it, man, maybe he is really just that much smarter where he's probably gonna land into like some team that gets a hurt quarterback that he really likes, you know what I mean? At first, I was so on the fence, like why wouldn't he sign somewhere? You know, we saw his time in the Jets that he struggled with being on the same chemistry page with his receivers, which has developed through organized team activities, many camps off season, and you need those practices, So why is he doing it again? And then you know, hey, the draft, they didn't draft a quarterback.

Did you get rid of the other guy?

Did you get rid of the other guy?

Maybe he falls into something else he wants. I don't know, he's very unpredictable. I know you think he's predictable though, right.

Maybe he falls into something else he wants. I don't know, he's very unpredictable. I know you think he's predictable though, right.

No, I think Aaron thinks he's unpredictable. But Aaron wants to control things. He likes control, and he wants you to think that you don't know anything he likes. Goes out of his way to say schefter doesn't know what he's doing, and Diana Russini, he goes he tries too hard. It's like when people say, I don't care if people like me, if you're trying too hard to say that you really care that people like him, when you're trying too hard.

No, I think Aaron thinks he's unpredictable. But Aaron wants to control things. He likes control, and he wants you to think that you don't know anything he likes. Goes out of his way to say schefter doesn't know what he's doing, and Diana Russini, he goes he tries too hard. It's like when people say, I don't care if people like me, if you're trying too hard to say that you really care that people like him, when you're trying too hard.

To say I nobody knows.

To say I nobody knows.

I think he's fairly predictable, that he wants to he's gonna want two or three things. He didn't want pickings around. He probably wants Alan Wizard and you know, he probably wants to make sure he's not on seven, you know games at Sunday night and Thursday night.

I think he's fairly predictable, that he wants to he's gonna want two or three things. He didn't want pickings around. He probably wants Alan Wizard and you know, he probably wants to make sure he's not on seven, you know games at Sunday night and Thursday night.

For me, it's just, you know, if you're a quarterback, I would want as much time on task with the players as you could have, you know, just because it's gonna be a I know he's probably Arthur Smith's there oc. Yeah, he's a West Coast guy. He's gonna know the terminology and stuff. But it's more of like learning the body mechanics of your guys, having them learn his cadence, which is an ultimate tool, but very hard to learn. Cadence is not easy like that takes this time to get used to. So regardless of where he goes, I hope he goes quick because it's fun to talk about him.

For me, it's just, you know, if you're a quarterback, I would want as much time on task with the players as you could have, you know, just because it's gonna be a I know he's probably Arthur Smith's there oc. Yeah, he's a West Coast guy. He's gonna know the terminology and stuff. But it's more of like learning the body mechanics of your guys, having them learn his cadence, which is an ultimate tool, but very hard to learn. Cadence is not easy like that takes this time to get used to. So regardless of where he goes, I hope he goes quick because it's fun to talk about him.

I was thinking about this.

I was thinking about this.

Matt Stafford took twenty million dollars less to stay with the Rams.

Matt Stafford took twenty million dollars less to stay with the Rams.

Smart obviously in New England.

Smart obviously in New England.

When you guys took less than your market value, did the team you know, do they say, you know, Juliet, we'll give you a better parking spot. Did there was there ever any team guilt that you know, mister Kraft knew that you could have gone elsewhere. You had a market, You played for a little, sometimes a lot less. Did you ever get a little they ever give you a pizza on Friday night for the fam or it's just like, hey, bro, you're part of the culture to take cuts.

When you guys took less than your market value, did the team you know, do they say, you know, Juliet, we'll give you a better parking spot. Did there was there ever any team guilt that you know, mister Kraft knew that you could have gone elsewhere. You had a market, You played for a little, sometimes a lot less. Did you ever get a little they ever give you a pizza on Friday night for the fam or it's just like, hey, bro, you're part of the culture to take cuts.

I think we're just part of the culture. Really, He's just part of the culture. And he couldn't say anything because you know, Tom was taking Tom was taking a cut, so no one could say anything. But you know, with with the Stafford situation, I completely understand uh taking less money in this part of his career. It's a whole process, especially when you're comfortable somewhere. He's at this age, he's thirty seven, thirty eight, whatever he is. You know, does he want to uproot his family that probably loves it here. Does he want want to go and learn a completely new offense? Is you want to learn a completely new roster of names? I mean, there's something comfortable about going to the janitor that you know for the last eight years and having a conversation with George.

I think we're just part of the culture. Really, He's just part of the culture. And he couldn't say anything because you know, Tom was taking Tom was taking a cut, so no one could say anything. But you know, with with the Stafford situation, I completely understand uh taking less money in this part of his career. It's a whole process, especially when you're comfortable somewhere. He's at this age, he's thirty seven, thirty eight, whatever he is. You know, does he want to uproot his family that probably loves it here. Does he want want to go and learn a completely new offense? Is you want to learn a completely new roster of names? I mean, there's something comfortable about going to the janitor that you know for the last eight years and having a conversation with George.

That's comfort, you know, And that's what I loved about New England.

That's comfort, you know, And that's what I loved about New England.

When I drove in I had the same lady waved to me for twelve years and that made me feel at home.

When I drove in I had the same lady waved to me for twelve years and that made me feel at home.

You know.

You know.

So at this point in his career, I can completely understand he loves his You know, he knows the coach that he's with is a viable coach that can get knows how to dial up plays. Sneed's gonna get him players. They've shown that they can draft players. They're bringing in tools for him. I mean this is a good spot. I mean he's made a lot of money. How much do you need? That's right, how much do you need?

So at this point in his career, I can completely understand he loves his You know, he knows the coach that he's with is a viable coach that can get knows how to dial up plays. Sneed's gonna get him players. They've shown that they can draft players. They're bringing in tools for him. I mean this is a good spot. I mean he's made a lot of money. How much do you need? That's right, how much do you need?

I mean how much do sour Patch kids cost? I mean it's your you know who cares.

I mean how much do sour Patch kids cost? I mean it's your you know who cares.

I mean he's he made a lot of money.

I mean he's he made a lot of money.

Oh he's gonna be like four hundred large or something. Hey what.

Oh he's gonna be like four hundred large or something. Hey what.

Shador Sanders little hockey falls in the draft gets humbled. When you're a veteran and you walk into a locker room and there's a kid he's a draft pick. Oh yeah, he's got a little little tued Did guys like to humble them? I mean, was that something that was discussed among veterans?

Shador Sanders little hockey falls in the draft gets humbled. When you're a veteran and you walk into a locker room and there's a kid he's a draft pick. Oh yeah, he's got a little little tued Did guys like to humble them? I mean, was that something that was discussed among veterans?

You know a lot of we had Tim Tebow come into our camp and I remember to play backup quarterback. I remember the first day he came in the media was just like through the roof. You know, this is like OTAs and it's like a Super Bowl meeting.

You know a lot of we had Tim Tebow come into our camp and I remember to play backup quarterback. I remember the first day he came in the media was just like through the roof. You know, this is like OTAs and it's like a Super Bowl meeting.

He didn't last very long.

He didn't last very long.

Didn't last very long, and it was a lot, but he he was humble about it. He was a humble kid about it, and he was in the locker room cool about it. And I'm sure Chador is going to be a different guy when there's a guy who's been playing on that team for ten years, making thirty million dollars and say, hey, rook you know, let's be let's be seen, not heard, Like that's the kind of stuff.

Didn't last very long, and it was a lot, but he he was humble about it. He was a humble kid about it, and he was in the locker room cool about it. And I'm sure Chador is going to be a different guy when there's a guy who's been playing on that team for ten years, making thirty million dollars and say, hey, rook you know, let's be let's be seen, not heard, Like that's the kind of stuff.

Miles Garrett has a way of influence.

Miles Garrett has a way of influence.

Hey let's be seen, let's not be heard, buddy. Let's that's the kind of thing that the older guys used to say to us.

Hey let's be seen, let's not be heard, buddy. Let's that's the kind of thing that the older guys used to say to us.

Okay, it was announced this week finally, Julian, you were voted into the Patriots Hall of Fame, which is is incredible.

Okay, it was announced this week finally, Julian, you were voted into the Patriots Hall of Fame, which is is incredible.

And I saw the video with your father. Take me back.

And I saw the video with your father. Take me back.

To the first game you were It was a four year journey to really become.

To the first game you were It was a four year journey to really become.

Yeah, take me back.

Yeah, take me back.

First to the minute you made the team and the call with your dad.

First to the minute you made the team and the call with your dad.

It was a weird situation because my first preseason game, West didn't play. It was Tom's first game back from the Aco, so they wanted to get him some game reps. He wanted to give game reps, and so West didn't play. I caught a few balls from him and that was a big thing, and a house to punt, and I had a kickoff tackle.

It was a weird situation because my first preseason game, West didn't play. It was Tom's first game back from the Aco, so they wanted to get him some game reps. He wanted to give game reps, and so West didn't play. I caught a few balls from him and that was a big thing, and a house to punt, and I had a kickoff tackle.

To open the game. So I was making plays.

To open the game. So I was making plays.

But then the next game I sprained my foot and I was out for the next three weeks. So I was up in the air. I didn't know if I was making the team. And Billy O'Brien's over here playing with me, like you know, Buffalo week one. Hopefully you're there for the inst like you know, messing with me. But knew I was gonna make the team, so I didn't really have that moment where like, hey, you made the team. We went into week one and in New England there's still parts moving throughout the years, so I never really called my dad and told them, Hey, Dad, I made the team. I said, Dad, I'm still around right now, okay, so I'll let you know. If I call you the next time, it's probably because I'm coming home.

But then the next game I sprained my foot and I was out for the next three weeks. So I was up in the air. I didn't know if I was making the team. And Billy O'Brien's over here playing with me, like you know, Buffalo week one. Hopefully you're there for the inst like you know, messing with me. But knew I was gonna make the team, so I didn't really have that moment where like, hey, you made the team. We went into week one and in New England there's still parts moving throughout the years, so I never really called my dad and told them, Hey, Dad, I made the team. I said, Dad, I'm still around right now, okay, so I'll let you know. If I call you the next time, it's probably because I'm coming home.

But there was a moment at some point and you're in Tom's relationship where you could sense he trusted you.

But there was a moment at some point and you're in Tom's relationship where you could sense he trusted you.

That's big for Tom. Yeah, when was that?

That's big for Tom. Yeah, when was that?

I would say probably that Buffalo the Week one Buffalo game in twenty thirteen, were you know, I grunk, I blew out his back, We signed Amondola, he ripped out his his his adductor and so and Hernandez was gone by then, so there was no no one else to really throw to, and so he kind of had to and then we bawled out. We won that game, and that's when I felt like the trust was was really coming.

I would say probably that Buffalo the Week one Buffalo game in twenty thirteen, were you know, I grunk, I blew out his back, We signed Amondola, he ripped out his his his adductor and so and Hernandez was gone by then, so there was no no one else to really throw to, and so he kind of had to and then we bawled out. We won that game, and that's when I felt like the trust was was really coming.

Now.

Now.

I put in a whole lot of sweat equity with them years before that in the offseason, and there was a trust, but the trust didn't come until he saw it in like a real game, you know, And it had to be seen in practice for you even to get an opportunity in the game. So it wasn't like you just got it. You had to continually earn it. And that's something he always said. He never said, Hey, you don't just trust someone. You got to continue to earn the trust. And that's through the preparation, that's through the practice, that's through the reps, and you know, it was very, very very cool for me. And it's a blessed experience to get to go into a environment like that because you can become a product of your people.

I put in a whole lot of sweat equity with them years before that in the offseason, and there was a trust, but the trust didn't come until he saw it in like a real game, you know, And it had to be seen in practice for you even to get an opportunity in the game. So it wasn't like you just got it. You had to continually earn it. And that's something he always said. He never said, Hey, you don't just trust someone. You got to continue to earn the trust. And that's through the preparation, that's through the practice, that's through the reps, and you know, it was very, very very cool for me. And it's a blessed experience to get to go into a environment like that because you can become a product of your people.

You had a market you could have played again. Do you remember where you were when you just decided I'm going to shoot that video at the fifty yard line, I'm retiring a Patriot.

You had a market you could have played again. Do you remember where you were when you just decided I'm going to shoot that video at the fifty yard line, I'm retiring a Patriot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was in Austin, Texas.

I was in Austin, Texas.

I was in Austin, Texas, and I I remember calling my dad and I was like nervous to tell him, like my knee wasn't really responding, and I just got an opinion that they wanted to potentially do like a micro fracture surgery.

I was in Austin, Texas, and I I remember calling my dad and I was like nervous to tell him, like my knee wasn't really responding, and I just got an opinion that they wanted to potentially do like a micro fracture surgery.

I'm thirty four years old. Three Super Bowls.

I'm thirty four years old. Three Super Bowls.

I'm like, we're good microfractures, twelve month recovery and that's just to potentially get the cartilage to calm.

I'm like, we're good microfractures, twelve month recovery and that's just to potentially get the cartilage to calm.

Down or something like that.

Down or something like that.

And so I called my dad and it was a you know, it was I need to have his validation sure that it was okay, And you know, that was it.

And so I called my dad and it was a you know, it was I need to have his validation sure that it was okay, And you know, that was it.

What's that mean to be a Hall of Famer?

What's that mean to be a Hall of Famer?

You know for this organization, which could be argued the best organization over the last twenty years. No one will have that kind of success being a kid that grew up around an organization like that in the San Francisco forty nine ers to be associated with some of the greats that are in the Hall of Fame, the Tom Brady's, Ben Coates, Kevin Falks, the Vrabels. I mean, it's an absolute honor, you know, And it's pretty cool because I can remember the first day, you know, getting there, just looking at my helmet in my blue locker because you had to earn your real locker.

You know for this organization, which could be argued the best organization over the last twenty years. No one will have that kind of success being a kid that grew up around an organization like that in the San Francisco forty nine ers to be associated with some of the greats that are in the Hall of Fame, the Tom Brady's, Ben Coates, Kevin Falks, the Vrabels. I mean, it's an absolute honor, you know, And it's pretty cool because I can remember the first day, you know, getting there, just looking at my helmet in my blue locker because you had to earn your real locker.

You didn't.

You didn't.

You didn't get real lockers that you had blue lockers in the middle for the rookies, and I just I would stay there all night. I never had free gator age shakes. I was at Kent State, so I would stay there, use all the facilities, and I would just look at.

You didn't get real lockers that you had blue lockers in the middle for the rookies, and I just I would stay there all night. I never had free gator age shakes. I was at Kent State, so I would stay there, use all the facilities, and I would just look at.

My helmet, like, man, I'm on this team. That's crazy.

My helmet, like, man, I'm on this team. That's crazy.

What's the singular thing, the singular gift? Your dad gave you the message that you will take forever.

What's the singular thing, the singular gift? Your dad gave you the message that you will take forever.

No sniveling.

No sniveling.

That's what he always says, you know, even if if you come up short on something, if something goes wrong, there's no sniveling. Okay, get to work. You work your way out of stuff. That's you know, you through your preparation. Aust adapts.

That's what he always says, you know, even if if you come up short on something, if something goes wrong, there's no sniveling. Okay, get to work. You work your way out of stuff. That's you know, you through your preparation. Aust adapts.

He's now. He used to say or die. Now he's or and overcome.

He's now. He used to say or die. Now he's or and overcome.

He's grown up a little but just a hard working guy that a self made man that you know, the real respect is for people that wake up at like five am and work till five am doing something they don't love, right, but that they have to do for their loved ones. That's like, that's what I've taken from him for forty five years from what I can remember, You know what I.

He's grown up a little but just a hard working guy that a self made man that you know, the real respect is for people that wake up at like five am and work till five am doing something they don't love, right, but that they have to do for their loved ones. That's like, that's what I've taken from him for forty five years from what I can remember, You know what I.

Mean, Grass, buddy, Thank you, Thank you is awesome.

Mean, Grass, buddy, Thank you, Thank you is awesome.

Julian Edelman, We'll take a bright card line next.

Julian Edelman, We'll take a bright card line next.

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Start with the Houston Rockets.

Start with the Houston Rockets.

They were the two seed, got extinguished in Game seven by Steph Hurry. But they are the most interesting team this offseason because they can afford Giannis, They've got them, and they could afford Kevin Durant if they don't want to go to Gianni's route here's GM Rafael Stone talking about it.

They were the two seed, got extinguished in Game seven by Steph Hurry. But they are the most interesting team this offseason because they can afford Giannis, They've got them, and they could afford Kevin Durant if they don't want to go to Gianni's route here's GM Rafael Stone talking about it.

Ultimately is to build a championship team.

Ultimately is to build a championship team.

And if we think that there there's a move or a series of moves that make it more likely we will be that, then we would ignore continuity and we do those moves.

And if we think that there there's a move or a series of moves that make it more likely we will be that, then we would ignore continuity and we do those moves.

They're gonna upgrade, have to.

They're gonna upgrade, have to.

You can't lose that early in the playoffs against an old team.

You can't lose that early in the playoffs against an old team.

Don't make them.

Don't make them.

I was gonna keep this in the whole until OKAC loses again. But I think Kevin Durant actually makes more sense in Oklahoma City than he does in Houston.

I was gonna keep this in the whole until OKAC loses again. But I think Kevin Durant actually makes more sense in Oklahoma City than he does in Houston.

Okaysee's very close, but they don't have a two.

Okaysee's very close, but they don't have a two.

I don't think you trust chet or Jay Dubb, But you go to Houston, they don't even have a one. I think they need Giannis more than they need k D. Kat's established, he's not a leader. He does not want to be the locker room raw ra guy. Now Jannis will be that guy. You see Jokics doing it for Denver. I don't know KD would fit perfectly in Okay See. I think Houston goes all in for Yannis. You remember what happened to Memphis a couple years ago. They got the two seed. Lakers beat him in the playoffs. Remember Lakers beat that, won the play in and then smash Memphis. Memphis has never gotten back to that level because they never leveled up there like, oh, we'll just try it again with Bain and Jackson and John all of a.

I don't think you trust chet or Jay Dubb, But you go to Houston, they don't even have a one. I think they need Giannis more than they need k D. Kat's established, he's not a leader. He does not want to be the locker room raw ra guy. Now Jannis will be that guy. You see Jokics doing it for Denver. I don't know KD would fit perfectly in Okay See. I think Houston goes all in for Yannis. You remember what happened to Memphis a couple years ago. They got the two seed. Lakers beat him in the playoffs. Remember Lakers beat that, won the play in and then smash Memphis. Memphis has never gotten back to that level because they never leveled up there like, oh, we'll just try it again with Bain and Jackson and John all of a.

Sudden, if you don't win again, there's tons of pressure on your young guys and they're still not ready.

Sudden, if you don't win again, there's tons of pressure on your young guys and they're still not ready.

So Houston listened.

So Houston listened.

They didn't get it done. But I don't think you run it back. I think you just go all in for you.

They didn't get it done. But I don't think you run it back. I think you just go all in for you.

Totally agree. I don't. I think you move off Jalen Green and some pay.

Totally agree. I don't. I think you move off Jalen Green and some pay.

Yeah, even ship good if you must. Next up is Seattle Colin. They got my guy, Jalen Milroe with a third round pick in the draft. I like mil Roe a lot of Obviously, he's a work in progress. He knows what he has to do, just like Lamar had to do some stuff to become an efficient passer.

Yeah, even ship good if you must. Next up is Seattle Colin. They got my guy, Jalen Milroe with a third round pick in the draft. I like mil Roe a lot of Obviously, he's a work in progress. He knows what he has to do, just like Lamar had to do some stuff to become an efficient passer.

The biggest thing is everything worse than the ground up at a quiry position, understanding the lower had mechanics of how I operate. Every quarterback is different, and so doing a really a deep understanding of how my body functions at the quiry position with throwing a ball, it's all about being afficient passer. And so the more you work, the more you understand your body, you're gonna be more of efficient passes. So you know, that's something that we work on and continues to work on. So I could be the best quarterback I can be.

The biggest thing is everything worse than the ground up at a quiry position, understanding the lower had mechanics of how I operate. Every quarterback is different, and so doing a really a deep understanding of how my body functions at the quiry position with throwing a ball, it's all about being afficient passer. And so the more you work, the more you understand your body, you're gonna be more of efficient passes. So you know, that's something that we work on and continues to work on. So I could be the best quarterback I can be.

Let me tell you something. He's gonna play.

Let me tell you something. He's gonna play.

He is literally too gifted an athlete not to get on the field and he will right there.

He is literally too gifted an athlete not to get on the field and he will right there.

No, he's a super smart I like everything I have.

No, he's a super smart I like everything I have.

So Steve Kaine, my buddy, represents him at Clutch Sports. Oh, he was like telling me like two months ago. He's like, this kid is just money, great kid. He he is way too good of an athlete. You have got to get him on the field and keep your eye on him in red zone stuff. You know, the red zone's a place where Mike Evans has a physical advantage orl Lamar Jackson has a physical advantage because it's all clutter.

So Steve Kaine, my buddy, represents him at Clutch Sports. Oh, he was like telling me like two months ago. He's like, this kid is just money, great kid. He he is way too good of an athlete. You have got to get him on the field and keep your eye on him in red zone stuff. You know, the red zone's a place where Mike Evans has a physical advantage orl Lamar Jackson has a physical advantage because it's all clutter.

This kid in the red zone.

This kid in the red zone.

Sometimes you just need a guy that can beat a corner to the corner in the flag. He's gonna play in red.

Sometimes you just need a guy that can beat a corner to the corner in the flag. He's gonna play in red.

Zone safe to save Darnold is kind of a I don't want to know darn guy for this year.

Zone safe to save Darnold is kind of a I don't want to know darn guy for this year.

I'm not sure mill rolls the future.

I'm not sure mill rolls the future.

What I'm telling you is they just said he may be the best pure athlete in the draft, and they're like, we're gonna get him on the field. But you can't have a guy like that sitting and watching. Why couldn't you use him in different roles? Well?

What I'm telling you is they just said he may be the best pure athlete in the draft, and they're like, we're gonna get him on the field. But you can't have a guy like that sitting and watching. Why couldn't you use him in different roles? Well?

Jr.

Jr.

Sat for first half of the season, right, and then came in and shocked everybody. Remember he made that run. They got to the playoffs and lost. But again, Jaln Milroe, like, you.

Sat for first half of the season, right, and then came in and shocked everybody. Remember he made that run. They got to the playoffs and lost. But again, Jaln Milroe, like, you.

Look at his completion percentage for college quarterbacks, we got a sat here.

Look at his completion percentage for college quarterbacks, we got a sat here.

Josh Allen was at fifty six percent at Wyoming.

Josh Allen was at fifty six percent at Wyoming.

They fixed that. Look at Dak Press, he was only sixty two.

They fixed that. Look at Dak Press, he was only sixty two.

These guys have become great throwers of the football. Jayala Milroe is coming in ahead of them. I don't think it's that big of an.

These guys have become great throwers of the football. Jayala Milroe is coming in ahead of them. I don't think it's that big of an.

Uphill climb for Milroe. Man, I'm bullish something, But then.

Uphill climb for Milroe. Man, I'm bullish something, But then.

Again, I just think he's so great athletically been They're not paying Sam thirty five large to not be the future for two years.

Again, I just think he's so great athletically been They're not paying Sam thirty five large to not be the future for two years.

He's got a year for sure.

He's got a year for sure.

Yeah, And I think what you do with Milroe is you just find you just find plays for him. And by the way, if you have to say, hey, Sam, come out.

Yeah, And I think what you do with Milroe is you just find you just find plays for him. And by the way, if you have to say, hey, Sam, come out.

For ready to package.

For ready to package.

But Milroe is just too gifted to sit on the sideline, you just figure out ways to use it. Right.

But Milroe is just too gifted to sit on the sideline, you just figure out ways to use it. Right.

So final story is, remember I had my mock draft for twenty twenty six last last week and I.

So final story is, remember I had my mock draft for twenty twenty six last last week and I.

Had arts Manning number one.

Had arts Manning number one.

And a lot of people are pushing back Colin saying there's no chance he's coming out this season. He's got to start multiple years. His family will not want him going to the Browns Collins. Some NFL scouts are saying Arch Manning could save two more years.

And a lot of people are pushing back Colin saying there's no chance he's coming out this season. He's got to start multiple years. His family will not want him going to the Browns Collins. Some NFL scouts are saying Arch Manning could save two more years.

I find that No, there's just no way.

I find that No, there's just no way.

Remember the biggest Tennessee volunteer booster where Peyton Manning went.

Remember the biggest Tennessee volunteer booster where Peyton Manning went.

To school, owns the Browns. He'd go to Cleveland.

To school, owns the Browns. He'd go to Cleveland.

I totally disagree with all these people who were like, no shot he's going.

I totally disagree with all these people who were like, no shot he's going.

I don't know how good he is.

I don't know how good he is.

Nobody did. He couldn't beat out Quinn yours Quen you was letting the seventh round.

Nobody did. He couldn't beat out Quinn yours Quen you was letting the seventh round.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I think when I watched him play, I thought he was athletic with a good arm. But I anointing him number one. I don't know, Like Drew Aller last year got much more accurate and efficient than the first year I watched the movie.

I think when I watched him play, I thought he was athletic with a good arm. But I anointing him number one. I don't know, Like Drew Aller last year got much more accurate and efficient than the first year I watched the movie.

He just wasn't good enough.

He just wasn't good enough.

Don't watch the Notre Dame tape from the Bully.

Don't watch the Notre Dame tape from the Bully.

I mean he was Come on, Notre Dame's defense was great.

I mean he was Come on, Notre Dame's defense was great.

Come on, listen. We don't know about it. We don't know about anything.

Come on, listen. We don't know about it. We don't know about anything.

I mean, some of these guys, let's hear it.

I mean, some of these guys, let's hear it.

Come on, let's hear it.

Come on, let's hear it.

Nico going fifth overall though, I mean.

Nico going fifth overall though, I mean.

None of these Caleb Downs will absolutely be a top ten pick.

None of these Caleb Downs will absolutely be a top ten pick.

He's a study.

He's a study.

And I've seen Carnell taate. Okay, but a lot of this enough Myer of LSU. I saw your his Nsmyer a top I don't see I don't see it.

And I've seen Carnell taate. Okay, but a lot of this enough Myer of LSU. I saw your his Nsmyer a top I don't see I don't see it.

But again, hey, guys make leaps. Remember Joe Burrow's first year at LSU, he was like fifteen touchdowns, ten picks. Next year he was like the greatest college quarterback ever. So things happen. These guys don't all, you know, get better at the same rate.

But again, hey, guys make leaps. Remember Joe Burrow's first year at LSU, he was like fifteen touchdowns, ten picks. Next year he was like the greatest college quarterback ever. So things happen. These guys don't all, you know, get better at the same rate.

Yeah, I've seen Denzel Boston plays good.

Yeah, I've seen Denzel Boston plays good.

Is he that good?

Is he that good?

Jordan Tyson? As you love that guy?

Jordan Tyson? As you love that guy?

J Mack with the News well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd. Lie a little early for a mock draft, but that's you know, that's the you know, that's the funnel, the whole thing.

J Mack with the News well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd. Lie a little early for a mock draft, but that's you know, that's the you know, that's the funnel, the whole thing.

You know, we could we could make a friendly wager if it's the most clicked on article on Fox sports dot com this month. People love it, NFL draft, you know it. You could do a mock draft in June and people would eat it up.

You know, we could we could make a friendly wager if it's the most clicked on article on Fox sports dot com this month. People love it, NFL draft, you know it. You could do a mock draft in June and people would eat it up.

Colin, I would.

Colin, I would.

Yeah, I admit it too early, and I admit I'm fascinating exactly.

Yeah, I admit it too early, and I admit I'm fascinating exactly.

Both can be true. We'll see it tomorrow. It's I heard

Both can be true. We'll see it tomorrow. It's I heard