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He's a best selling author multiple times, Jeff proman New York Times best selling offer. He's got the digital series Press Fox Chronicles on YouTube. I thought it was interesting today because there's a there's an untold documentary on Netflix on Brett Farv, and he wrote a book years ago, Gunslinger, The Remarkable, Improbable, Iconic Life of Brett Favre, which which I thought I'd said this at the time. When I read it, I thought, I thought Brett Farv wasn't very nice to Aaron Rodgers, wasn't very helpful. It made me like Aaron Rodgers, regardless of what I think today. But it's fascinating book. So I'm watching the documentary on him, which is, you know, hero worship for thirteen minutes, then they go after him. Jeff Pearlman now joining us live knows Brett Farv knows to Packers knows Aaron Rodgers.

He's a best selling author multiple times, Jeff proman New York Times best selling offer. He's got the digital series Press Fox Chronicles on YouTube. I thought it was interesting today because there's a there's an untold documentary on Netflix on Brett Farv, and he wrote a book years ago, Gunslinger, The Remarkable, Improbable, Iconic Life of Brett Favre, which which I thought I'd said this at the time. When I read it, I thought, I thought Brett Farv wasn't very nice to Aaron Rodgers, wasn't very helpful. It made me like Aaron Rodgers, regardless of what I think today. But it's fascinating book. So I'm watching the documentary on him, which is, you know, hero worship for thirteen minutes, then they go after him. Jeff Pearlman now joining us live knows Brett Farv knows to Packers knows Aaron Rodgers.

So I you know.

So I you know.

So what we were talking during the break.

So what we were talking during the break.

I've always had this theory, and I call it the Green.

I've always had this theory, and I call it the Green.

Bay quarterback theory.

Bay quarterback theory.

Is that Farv's a Southerner, Aaron Rodgers is a hipster out west, and they morphed into the same guy. Is that at the end they got needy, a bit precious, a little rigid, weird, and yet they're different personalities. But you have no owner. It's the smallest market. You can't go to the grocery store. You have to hide in a golf course. And it does affect you. You become literally bigger than life, as good as Matt Stafford is, Stan Kronky.

Is that Farv's a Southerner, Aaron Rodgers is a hipster out west, and they morphed into the same guy. Is that at the end they got needy, a bit precious, a little rigid, weird, and yet they're different personalities. But you have no owner. It's the smallest market. You can't go to the grocery store. You have to hide in a golf course. And it does affect you. You become literally bigger than life, as good as Matt Stafford is, Stan Kronky.

Runs the show, and Soda is McVeigh.

Runs the show, and Soda is McVeigh.

When when Farv started to unravel, Jeff Pearlman, were you surprised by it or did you see things that made you wonder?

When when Farv started to unravel, Jeff Pearlman, were you surprised by it or did you see things that made you wonder?

I actually think you make a really good point, which is it's this god complex thing that happens when you're small market quarterback. Like you said, you can't go anywhere. People will treat you like a god, literally like a god. You are the king of the landscape. And at some point it's just unsustainable. Either you get old, you get hurt, you go somewhere else. Suddenly you're not treated that way. So you're Brett Favre. Suddenly you're in New York Jet, you're living in suburban New Jersey, you're part of this franchise. You don't know, you're by yourself, living in a hotel every day, and before you know it, you're sending Penis pictures to an employee of the team. Like I just think he got so used to being a certain way, deified, glorified. All of a sudden he's in a new situation and he doesn't have the maturity or the personal development to handle it.

I actually think you make a really good point, which is it's this god complex thing that happens when you're small market quarterback. Like you said, you can't go anywhere. People will treat you like a god, literally like a god. You are the king of the landscape. And at some point it's just unsustainable. Either you get old, you get hurt, you go somewhere else. Suddenly you're not treated that way. So you're Brett Favre. Suddenly you're in New York Jet, you're living in suburban New Jersey, you're part of this franchise. You don't know, you're by yourself, living in a hotel every day, and before you know it, you're sending Penis pictures to an employee of the team. Like I just think he got so used to being a certain way, deified, glorified. All of a sudden he's in a new situation and he doesn't have the maturity or the personal development to handle it.

I just think that's the very short story of it all.

I just think that's the very short story of it all.

Yeah, so let's let's let's go to Aaron. Aaron I thought I've always thought bright. I think he's well read. I think he's interesting, he's a little iconic classic. I mean, he's a different cat. He clearly pushes back in authority. It could be the government, it could be vaccines, it could be the media. He pushes back in authority. That's okay him for that, go back for the people that haven't read the book and your books are fascinating. The Walter Payton book I think had been lost in because you've done so much.

Yeah, so let's let's let's go to Aaron. Aaron I thought I've always thought bright. I think he's well read. I think he's interesting, he's a little iconic classic. I mean, he's a different cat. He clearly pushes back in authority. It could be the government, it could be vaccines, it could be the media. He pushes back in authority. That's okay him for that, go back for the people that haven't read the book and your books are fascinating. The Walter Payton book I think had been lost in because you've done so much.

That's a fantastic book.

That's a fantastic book.

And he's the best running back I've ever seen, probably by far so during the air and far of stuff. When I read your book, I had sympathy for Aaron. I don't think Brett was nice to him. Are you surprised what he's sort of morphed into? Which is kind of to a fault. I do my own homework.

And he's the best running back I've ever seen, probably by far so during the air and far of stuff. When I read your book, I had sympathy for Aaron. I don't think Brett was nice to him. Are you surprised what he's sort of morphed into? Which is kind of to a fault. I do my own homework.

Guy, right, So it's interesting. I think I'm sure you've dealt with these people too. Every now and then in sports you come across someone who believes from the beginning that he is the here's here, the smartest people in the room. I am the smartest person in this room. Nobody is as intelligent as me. And I feel like Rogers has had that from a very young age. When he arrived in Green Bay, he really far was terrible to him, like terrible. I mean, there are moments suggest like treating him like absolute crap. There was a humiliating time for aon Rodgers. It might sound kind of quaint and hindsight is he takes his helmet one day, he puts it on a memorabilia table in the locker room. Everyone's signing Aaron Rodgers' helmet before practice. He's scurrying around, can't find his helmet. Someone says, that's yours. It's filled with signatures. He has to go to practice as a rookie bringing this signature filled helmet, and he's mortified.

Guy, right, So it's interesting. I think I'm sure you've dealt with these people too. Every now and then in sports you come across someone who believes from the beginning that he is the here's here, the smartest people in the room. I am the smartest person in this room. Nobody is as intelligent as me. And I feel like Rogers has had that from a very young age. When he arrived in Green Bay, he really far was terrible to him, like terrible. I mean, there are moments suggest like treating him like absolute crap. There was a humiliating time for aon Rodgers. It might sound kind of quaint and hindsight is he takes his helmet one day, he puts it on a memorabilia table in the locker room. Everyone's signing Aaron Rodgers' helmet before practice. He's scurrying around, can't find his helmet. Someone says, that's yours. It's filled with signatures. He has to go to practice as a rookie bringing this signature filled helmet, and he's mortified.

And he's humiliated.

And he's humiliated.

But I just think over time, especially being in a small Midwestern town surrounded by the Midwestern quaintness of Green Bay, I think Aaron Rodgers really started to believe I'm the smartest guy in the room.

But I just think over time, especially being in a small Midwestern town surrounded by the Midwestern quaintness of Green Bay, I think Aaron Rodgers really started to believe I'm the smartest guy in the room.

I know everything. I am very intelligent.

I know everything. I am very intelligent.

I know more than the coaches, I know more than my teenmates, I know more than this fan base. And again, if you can contain that in Green Bay, Wisconsin, it's one thing you're treated as a guy, but once you go national, once you go to a different franchise, it doesn't really play out that well because people just see you as kind of a duche.

I know more than the coaches, I know more than my teenmates, I know more than this fan base. And again, if you can contain that in Green Bay, Wisconsin, it's one thing you're treated as a guy, but once you go national, once you go to a different franchise, it doesn't really play out that well because people just see you as kind of a duche.

So I got to ask you, you know the Bus family, Well, you wrote the book on the Lakers Dynasty of the eighties, a fascinating book which got made into an HBO series, and it's really it's one of those that you can't put down. It's I always knew Kobe was difficult. Then I read the book and I'm like, wow, did Phil Nutt go after him?

So I got to ask you, you know the Bus family, Well, you wrote the book on the Lakers Dynasty of the eighties, a fascinating book which got made into an HBO series, and it's really it's one of those that you can't put down. It's I always knew Kobe was difficult. Then I read the book and I'm like, wow, did Phil Nutt go after him?

It was just crazy.

It was just crazy.

But you know the Bus family, and I've said this to a friend about a month ago, I said, Luca's got a little shack. I'm not sure how commited he is in the off season. I you know, I'm there are games he shows up.

But you know the Bus family, and I've said this to a friend about a month ago, I said, Luca's got a little shack. I'm not sure how commited he is in the off season. I you know, I'm there are games he shows up.

Where I think his mind is elsewhere.

Where I think his mind is elsewhere.

But he's good for the brand, he's good for merch He's insanely talented. Knowing how the Bus family eventually made a decision to move off shack, do you think the kids have some of those same frustrations with Luca, knowing that they literally had to call a meeting about his cardiovascular health after the year.

But he's good for the brand, he's good for merch He's insanely talented. Knowing how the Bus family eventually made a decision to move off shack, do you think the kids have some of those same frustrations with Luca, knowing that they literally had to call a meeting about his cardiovascular health after the year.

So it'd be impossible for me to put myself in Genie Bus's head.

So it'd be impossible for me to put myself in Genie Bus's head.

Obviously, I think.

Obviously, I think.

Numb one.

Numb one.

They obviously had to make that trade, like you had to make that trade. You're getting a young superstar in his prime. The problem is, like you touched upon Luca.

They obviously had to make that trade, like you had to make that trade. You're getting a young superstar in his prime. The problem is, like you touched upon Luca.

I don't even understand it. You make all this money and you're one thing you need to be into shape. That's it.

I don't even understand it. You make all this money and you're one thing you need to be into shape. That's it.

That's the biggest qualification of this job is you need to be in shape. And the thing about Shaq that's interesting is when Shaker's with the Lakers, until Kobe really gained some power and really really started calling out Shack behind the scenes for his lack of fitness. I don't think the family was particularly bothered by it because he Number one, he sold jerseys. Number two, he was charismatic. Number three, he produced, and I think Luca technically is the same thing. He does produce. He does sell jerseys, He is pretty charismatic. I think it's going to get a really tricky once Lucas shows up a training camp thirty pounds overweight, once other teammates start calling him out, once you start hearing the whispers, because in this town in Los Angeles, whispers traveled very quickly. And if the Lakers start struggling and you have this star who's supposed to be great and he's on the injury list yet again, and he looks gey yet again, I just think, I don't know what their reaction is going to be emotionally or mentally. I just know they're going to be trapped yet again. All these Laker fans who think we've escaped.

That's the biggest qualification of this job is you need to be in shape. And the thing about Shaq that's interesting is when Shaker's with the Lakers, until Kobe really gained some power and really really started calling out Shack behind the scenes for his lack of fitness. I don't think the family was particularly bothered by it because he Number one, he sold jerseys. Number two, he was charismatic. Number three, he produced, and I think Luca technically is the same thing. He does produce. He does sell jerseys, He is pretty charismatic. I think it's going to get a really tricky once Lucas shows up a training camp thirty pounds overweight, once other teammates start calling him out, once you start hearing the whispers, because in this town in Los Angeles, whispers traveled very quickly. And if the Lakers start struggling and you have this star who's supposed to be great and he's on the injury list yet again, and he looks gey yet again, I just think, I don't know what their reaction is going to be emotionally or mentally. I just know they're going to be trapped yet again. All these Laker fans who think we've escaped.

We're awesome. We have Luca. It's a little bit of fool's goal. Potentially.

We're awesome. We have Luca. It's a little bit of fool's goal. Potentially.

You're a New Yorker. Where did you grow up in New York?

You're a New Yorker. Where did you grow up in New York?

I grew up in a tiny town called Mayhopak, New York.

I grew up in a tiny town called Mayhopak, New York.

Okay. Is that outside of the city, about.

Okay. Is that outside of the city, about.

An hour north right outside of New York to the hour north of the city.

An hour north right outside of New York to the hour north of the city.

So I when I worked at the other place, I always claimed it wasn't a Yankee town or a Giants town.

So I when I worked at the other place, I always claimed it wasn't a Yankee town or a Giants town.

It's a Knicks town.

It's a Knicks town.

Is that everybody loved the Knicks baseball and football opinions. And so when I watch Madison Square Garden and I've said this on the air, I'm sorry, that's the best basketball city in the country.

Is that everybody loved the Knicks baseball and football opinions. And so when I watch Madison Square Garden and I've said this on the air, I'm sorry, that's the best basketball city in the country.

It looks different, it feels donald.

It looks different, it feels donald.

So you tell you've been the Madison Square Garden plenty of times. Kind of a spiritual revelation for all New Yorkers. What are you going through? Is a true New Yorker right now?

So you tell you've been the Madison Square Garden plenty of times. Kind of a spiritual revelation for all New Yorkers. What are you going through? Is a true New Yorker right now?

Well, the funny thing is, first of all, I just want to say I grew up I was the one kid in my school who was a New Jersey Nets fan.

Well, the funny thing is, first of all, I just want to say I grew up I was the one kid in my school who was a New Jersey Nets fan.

So I was a big Hey, give it coming a break, man.

So I was a big Hey, give it coming a break, man.

I was a big Pearl Washington, Buck Williams, you know, Michael corn fan, but the Knicks owned. You are one hundred percent correct the Knicks, or the universal love of New York and the Rangers to a slightly listed degree. And when it's pumping, when the Garden is pumping, when the team is playing well, there is nowhere like it. Madison Square Garden, who's always maintained its electricity, the air of excitement, the buzz, when you had Patrick Ewing going, when you had you know, you know, Latrell Spreewell going. There's something about it that feels visceral and fierce. It's just something different. You don't get it going a Laker game or a Clipper game. You just it's something different, and it's an advantage the Knicks half that you're not going to get if you're the Pacers or potentially in the finals, if you go to Oaklhodma City.

I was a big Pearl Washington, Buck Williams, you know, Michael corn fan, but the Knicks owned. You are one hundred percent correct the Knicks, or the universal love of New York and the Rangers to a slightly listed degree. And when it's pumping, when the Garden is pumping, when the team is playing well, there is nowhere like it. Madison Square Garden, who's always maintained its electricity, the air of excitement, the buzz, when you had Patrick Ewing going, when you had you know, you know, Latrell Spreewell going. There's something about it that feels visceral and fierce. It's just something different. You don't get it going a Laker game or a Clipper game. You just it's something different, and it's an advantage the Knicks half that you're not going to get if you're the Pacers or potentially in the finals, if you go to Oaklhodma City.

It's just something really.

It's just something really.

Raw, and it's kind of like this when you meet a New Yorker and they're like, yo, you got to go to this place and get a slice, and that guy sucks and blah blah blah, that's Madison Square Garden. It takes everything about New York and puts it in one building.

Raw, and it's kind of like this when you meet a New Yorker and they're like, yo, you got to go to this place and get a slice, and that guy sucks and blah blah blah, that's Madison Square Garden. It takes everything about New York and puts it in one building.

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I don't know if you prepared for this, but I've been joking that if I don't get invited to the Belichick Belichick Jordan Hudson wedding, I'll be bitter because I'm the only American media member supporting the relationship. And I had this discussion last night. I said, Okay, if she was thirty six, would you be okay with it? If he was sixty four, would you be okay? I said In the end, I'm not judging people's relationships as long as both people are here for it. Do I think there's a little bit of her as a wilful young woman seeing opportunities?

I don't know if you prepared for this, but I've been joking that if I don't get invited to the Belichick Belichick Jordan Hudson wedding, I'll be bitter because I'm the only American media member supporting the relationship. And I had this discussion last night. I said, Okay, if she was thirty six, would you be okay with it? If he was sixty four, would you be okay? I said In the end, I'm not judging people's relationships as long as both people are here for it. Do I think there's a little bit of her as a wilful young woman seeing opportunities?

Yes?

Yes?

Do I think Bill understanding she's his social stockbroker on the internet and she's a beautiful young lady. They're both getting something out of it. I it doesn't bother me, but I feel like I'm on a total island. Jeff Pearlman, what do you make of Jordan huns and Bill Belichick?

Do I think Bill understanding she's his social stockbroker on the internet and she's a beautiful young lady. They're both getting something out of it. I it doesn't bother me, but I feel like I'm on a total island. Jeff Pearlman, what do you make of Jordan huns and Bill Belichick?

All Right, so, I have a twenty two year old daughter, and if she came home one day and said, Dad, I wanted you to meet my new boyfriend he's sixty five years old or sixty seven years old.

All Right, so, I have a twenty two year old daughter, and if she came home one day and said, Dad, I wanted you to meet my new boyfriend he's sixty five years old or sixty seven years old.

I think I'd be a little troubled by this one. I don't they.

I think I'd be a little troubled by this one. I don't they.

Can do what they want, They're can sending adults. I think it's a little weird. I think her role is definitely weird. I'm sure North Carolina is secretly freaking out and thinking we didn't really I don't think we knew what we signed up for with this one. I think that's the big issue here, is like the sense of control that she seems to have over his affairs. If it was my daughter's boyfriend, I'd be freaked out. I would not be happy as a spectator. People can do what they want.

Can do what they want, They're can sending adults. I think it's a little weird. I think her role is definitely weird. I'm sure North Carolina is secretly freaking out and thinking we didn't really I don't think we knew what we signed up for with this one. I think that's the big issue here, is like the sense of control that she seems to have over his affairs. If it was my daughter's boyfriend, I'd be freaked out. I would not be happy as a spectator. People can do what they want.

Okay, yeah, no, I've said that before too. I wouldn't personally like it, but I do feel like, in a weird way, they both are using each other for what it appears they want, and I don't like to be the moralist.

Okay, yeah, no, I've said that before too. I wouldn't personally like it, but I do feel like, in a weird way, they both are using each other for what it appears they want, and I don't like to be the moralist.

That's not who I am.

That's not who I am.

All Right, before we go, you have been writing a book for a year, and you do six seven, eight hundred interviews. It's I don't know how you do it. It goes on sale in October on Tupac's Core. Only God can judge me the many lives of Tupac Shakur, Give me one revelation in the book, because you obviously had some sense of his music, of his iconic history, give me one revelation in the book that it was a jaw dropping moment for you.

All Right, before we go, you have been writing a book for a year, and you do six seven, eight hundred interviews. It's I don't know how you do it. It goes on sale in October on Tupac's Core. Only God can judge me the many lives of Tupac Shakur, Give me one revelation in the book, because you obviously had some sense of his music, of his iconic history, give me one revelation in the book that it was a jaw dropping moment for you.

Oh, I would say the biggest one is Tupac Shakur. Everyone knows his ashes were sent off the Pacific in a ceremony in Maui, but Tupac's mother, Fenny Shakur, actually saved it and he's buried. I'm not going to say where, but he is actually buried beneath the gravesite in a field in the most out of nowhere you would never think place ever with a tombstone and a headstone. And so Tupac shakor whoe everythings was this cremated was actually actually has a burial site that I actually went to and stood at.

Oh, I would say the biggest one is Tupac Shakur. Everyone knows his ashes were sent off the Pacific in a ceremony in Maui, but Tupac's mother, Fenny Shakur, actually saved it and he's buried. I'm not going to say where, but he is actually buried beneath the gravesite in a field in the most out of nowhere you would never think place ever with a tombstone and a headstone. And so Tupac shakor whoe everythings was this cremated was actually actually has a burial site that I actually went to and stood at.

So that was kind of my So.

So that was kind of my So.

So is it in California?

So is it in California?

It is not in California. It is in the South.

It is not in California. It is in the South.

Wow, you just you just started something not everybody's gonna go crazy.

Wow, you just you just started something not everybody's gonna go crazy.

I know, I know.

I know, I know.

Yeah, I'm a Northwest kid. Jimmy Hendrix is buried up there. Okay, all right, Jeff Pearlman. The book comes out in October on Tupac. Only God can judge me. The Many Lives. Good scene again, Jeff, and good luck on the book.

Yeah, I'm a Northwest kid. Jimmy Hendrix is buried up there. Okay, all right, Jeff Pearlman. The book comes out in October on Tupac. Only God can judge me. The Many Lives. Good scene again, Jeff, and good luck on the book.

All right, thank you so much. Take care.

All right, thank you so much. Take care.

Yeah, the far the Green Bay situation with Farv and Rogers, it is just different. I mean, Matt Stafford think about this, Think how great Matt Stafford is. And Stan Kronkey and Sean McVay basically said, hey, here's the number, right, like, here's the number. I mean, Holmes has done team friendly deals. Josh Allen is certainly just part of the Bills fabric. I always feel like if you're far or you're Rogers, you're a packer, but you're sort of living in a silo. You know, you're not beholden to an owner, you're not protected by anonymity in a vast North American city where you can hide. I remember years ago talking to a basketball player. He's a really nice guy, Damon stottamar And he played in Portland for years. He was in one of the great high school basketball players in the history of the Pacific Northwest. And he played in Portland, and he said, you know, I actually loved playing in Toronto. And I'm like, really, it's like, you know, three or four thousand miles away. He goes, I could hide. He goes, I can't hide in Portland. And so I think Green Bay is that times ten. I think it does change you when you are not just romanticized or appreciated, you are worshiped.

Yeah, the far the Green Bay situation with Farv and Rogers, it is just different. I mean, Matt Stafford think about this, Think how great Matt Stafford is. And Stan Kronkey and Sean McVay basically said, hey, here's the number, right, like, here's the number. I mean, Holmes has done team friendly deals. Josh Allen is certainly just part of the Bills fabric. I always feel like if you're far or you're Rogers, you're a packer, but you're sort of living in a silo. You know, you're not beholden to an owner, you're not protected by anonymity in a vast North American city where you can hide. I remember years ago talking to a basketball player. He's a really nice guy, Damon stottamar And he played in Portland for years. He was in one of the great high school basketball players in the history of the Pacific Northwest. And he played in Portland, and he said, you know, I actually loved playing in Toronto. And I'm like, really, it's like, you know, three or four thousand miles away. He goes, I could hide. He goes, I can't hide in Portland. And so I think Green Bay is that times ten. I think it does change you when you are not just romanticized or appreciated, you are worshiped.

Jam Mack with the news. This is the Herdline News.

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Let's start with cam Ward and the Tennessee Titans.

Let's start with cam Ward and the Tennessee Titans.

Colin, I know you're.

Colin, I know you're.

Fired up about this team.

Fired up about this team.

I was excited in the off season. Then the schedule came out. It's not great.

I was excited in the off season. Then the schedule came out. It's not great.

Brian Callahan for now is splitting the first team reps between cam Ward and Will levis your guy with the bathroom selfies. Here's Callahan on his quarterback battle.

Brian Callahan for now is splitting the first team reps between cam Ward and Will levis your guy with the bathroom selfies. Here's Callahan on his quarterback battle.

They both handled it really well. I've been pleased with with their demeanor and their approach. Will's done a really nice job of getting better at things he needed to get better at. I felt really pretty good about his off season work and how he's come back. Bless you. Cam has done a really nice job of integrating himself, and a lot of that is just knowing knowing the play call, being able to spit it out in the huddle, having the tempo, getting familiar with the with the receivers and what the words mean and how to call it, how you snapcount sounds.

They both handled it really well. I've been pleased with with their demeanor and their approach. Will's done a really nice job of getting better at things he needed to get better at. I felt really pretty good about his off season work and how he's come back. Bless you. Cam has done a really nice job of integrating himself, and a lot of that is just knowing knowing the play call, being able to spit it out in the huddle, having the tempo, getting familiar with the with the receivers and what the words mean and how to call it, how you snapcount sounds.

All that stuff has been really well done on his part.

All that stuff has been really well done on his part.

I think we both would agree cam Ward is going to be the guy. But I'm just curious, put yourself in Will Levis's shoes, how do.

I think we both would agree cam Ward is going to be the guy. But I'm just curious, put yourself in Will Levis's shoes, how do.

You handle this?

You handle this?

Like, hey man, we just drafted this guy number one. You've been the guy for two years, but like you had your chance?

Like, hey man, we just drafted this guy number one. You've been the guy for two years, but like you had your chance?

Yeah, No, I mean it's I think the organization. I mean again it was Will Levis had an offensive coach, a very good offensive line coach.

Yeah, No, I mean it's I think the organization. I mean again it was Will Levis had an offensive coach, a very good offensive line coach.

He had a weapon or two.

He had a weapon or two.

You know.

You know.

I think Will Levis.

I think Will Levis.

Became what a lot of people that watched him in the SEC He became what a lot of people predicted he would become, which is his judgment was dicey. He threw really bad picks. He often didn't see the field particularly well.

Became what a lot of people that watched him in the SEC He became what a lot of people predicted he would become, which is his judgment was dicey. He threw really bad picks. He often didn't see the field particularly well.

He looks the part.

He looks the part.

You know, he's strong, he's athletic, he's got a big arm, he's cut, but he became I mean his college tape of Will Levis, he became Will Levis sec, which was weird plays, bad judgment, not seeing clear defenders in the path of a throw. And I was not a huge fan, I said, I if I recall, I did not really see him as a first round quarterback.

You know, he's strong, he's athletic, he's got a big arm, he's cut, but he became I mean his college tape of Will Levis, he became Will Levis sec, which was weird plays, bad judgment, not seeing clear defenders in the path of a throw. And I was not a huge fan, I said, I if I recall, I did not really see him as a first round quarterback.

I just thought I saw him.

I just thought I saw him.

I saw him make way too many really bad throws. And if you're doing that in college, you're probably gonna do that more in the NFL.

I saw him make way too many really bad throws. And if you're doing that in college, you're probably gonna do that more in the NFL.

That being said, right, we talked about Geno Smith earlier. I mean, there's a world where Will Levis is Geno Smith in five years. He could easily turn this around.

That being said, right, we talked about Geno Smith earlier. I mean, there's a world where Will Levis is Geno Smith in five years. He could easily turn this around.

Colin.

Colin.

The guy's got some talent.

The guy's got some talent.

He's got a big arm.

He's got a big arm.

Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't give me that look. Remember Mark Sanchez talk to him. He's got some stories about early Geno Smith. That guy was not locked in at all. He was a train wreck with the Jets. He's now turned it around. Baker Mayfield, some of these guys second third stop Sam Darnold, and you know, I think what second round in the draft. So I'm not crushing Will Levitt here. He's got a shot, just not in Tennessee. Next up, let's go to another quarterback situation.

Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't give me that look. Remember Mark Sanchez talk to him. He's got some stories about early Geno Smith. That guy was not locked in at all. He was a train wreck with the Jets. He's now turned it around. Baker Mayfield, some of these guys second third stop Sam Darnold, and you know, I think what second round in the draft. So I'm not crushing Will Levitt here. He's got a shot, just not in Tennessee. Next up, let's go to another quarterback situation.

The Cleveland Browns.

The Cleveland Browns.

Shadour and Dylan Gabriel are battling for their roles on.

Shadour and Dylan Gabriel are battling for their roles on.

The depth start.

The depth start.

Sedur says there's no bad blood between the two, adding I like how we handle situations, especially just the negative media that's coming his way. Shador also says that he and Gabriel are for sure learning from each other during the offseason program. And just to remind you, Kenny Thickett is currently the leader in the clubhouse. Joe flackol kind of a veteran guy there.

Sedur says there's no bad blood between the two, adding I like how we handle situations, especially just the negative media that's coming his way. Shador also says that he and Gabriel are for sure learning from each other during the offseason program. And just to remind you, Kenny Thickett is currently the leader in the clubhouse. Joe flackol kind of a veteran guy there.

I don't buy Kenny Pickets the leader in the clubhouse. I don't buy it.

I don't buy Kenny Pickets the leader in the clubhouse. I don't buy it.

Who's starting week one?

Who's starting week one?

Joe Flacco starts Shador sanders within a month to five week Go look at Cleveland's schedule. If our guys put it up, they're gonna have there's I already told you if you look at their schedule, let's give them. Let's give them. I don't think that's gonna happen. Let's give them the win over Cincinnati at home. Although I don't see it.

Joe Flacco starts Shador sanders within a month to five week Go look at Cleveland's schedule. If our guys put it up, they're gonna have there's I already told you if you look at their schedule, let's give them. Let's give them. I don't think that's gonna happen. Let's give them the win over Cincinnati at home. Although I don't see it.

You think they're winning that opener against Joe Burrow.

You think they're winning that opener against Joe Burrow.

The line's going to be three and a half. It's not that big of a shock somebody. By the way, the last eight years just been a shocking Week one, you know, and the Bengals Lion Scotti, so they lose to Baltimore, Green Bay Detroit. I think at that point Jimmy Haslam, the owner, wants him to start Week five at home against Minnesota home game, Shador. This is my theory. The coaching staff will win the argument. They'll start Flaco. Flaco will beat Minnesota, lose to Pittsburgh, and then Shadur is going to get the start around that Miami New England by space.

The line's going to be three and a half. It's not that big of a shock somebody. By the way, the last eight years just been a shocking Week one, you know, and the Bengals Lion Scotti, so they lose to Baltimore, Green Bay Detroit. I think at that point Jimmy Haslam, the owner, wants him to start Week five at home against Minnesota home game, Shador. This is my theory. The coaching staff will win the argument. They'll start Flaco. Flaco will beat Minnesota, lose to Pittsburgh, and then Shadur is going to get the start around that Miami New England by space.

I Brian Floores defense. I think that would be dangerous for Shadur. He ain't starting against the jetson Week ten. Gonna get slaughtered on the road. Ravens, I don't see it. I'm not sure Colin. Anyways, we got to get to the best story of the day. Okay, So you and I both love this Lebron stuff.

I Brian Floores defense. I think that would be dangerous for Shadur. He ain't starting against the jetson Week ten. Gonna get slaughtered on the road. Ravens, I don't see it. I'm not sure Colin. Anyways, we got to get to the best story of the day. Okay, So you and I both love this Lebron stuff.

Well, guess what.

Well, guess what.

David Fulk, who hardcore sports fans known with the agent from Michael Jordan, one of the most famous NBA agents of all time. He recently was on a panel and he was asked, Hey, man. Obviously you have Michael Jordan. One is Lebron your number two of all time? David Fuck Michael Jordan's agent said, Hey, I really like Lebron, But I think if Jordan had cheery picked what teams he wanted to be on and two other superstars, he would have won fifteen championships.

David Fulk, who hardcore sports fans known with the agent from Michael Jordan, one of the most famous NBA agents of all time. He recently was on a panel and he was asked, Hey, man. Obviously you have Michael Jordan. One is Lebron your number two of all time? David Fuck Michael Jordan's agent said, Hey, I really like Lebron, But I think if Jordan had cheery picked what teams he wanted to be on and two other superstars, he would have won fifteen championships.

All right, Well, so you're saying if Michael would have been mobile, So here's the problem. If Michael would have been mobile, does he get Phil Jackson.

All right, Well, so you're saying if Michael would have been mobile, So here's the problem. If Michael would have been mobile, does he get Phil Jackson.

As he gets gott E pivot?

As he gets gott E pivot?

You know?

You know?

Lost?

Lost?

There's two things about Michael Jordan and he certainly I think the three players that have an argument is the best ever are Michael, Lebron and Kareem put him in any order you want. Those are the three two things that are lost about Michael Jordan. It's as if they disappeared. Number one is after winning the title as a freshman, the next two years of college basketball, he didn't win in college because he didn't have James Worthy. The other thing that's lost is go find me all his playoff series wins without Pippin yep, good luck and again when he lost James Worthy in college, no titles, when he lost when he didn't have Pippin in the.

There's two things about Michael Jordan and he certainly I think the three players that have an argument is the best ever are Michael, Lebron and Kareem put him in any order you want. Those are the three two things that are lost about Michael Jordan. It's as if they disappeared. Number one is after winning the title as a freshman, the next two years of college basketball, he didn't win in college because he didn't have James Worthy. The other thing that's lost is go find me all his playoff series wins without Pippin yep, good luck and again when he lost James Worthy in college, no titles, when he lost when he didn't have Pippin in the.

NBA nothing, no title.

NBA nothing, no title.

Yeah, So Coline one hundred percent agree with you this whole Lebron Jordan debate. It's fun. Man. The Michael Jordan's snowflake fans out there are so sensitive. Anything you say just gets destroyed. People come after you crazily. Colin, I just want to continue to point out to everybody wherever Lebron has gone, Cleveland, La, Miami, he wins, and you'll say, well, Jay, he gets great teammates.

Yeah, So Coline one hundred percent agree with you this whole Lebron Jordan debate. It's fun. Man. The Michael Jordan's snowflake fans out there are so sensitive. Anything you say just gets destroyed. People come after you crazily. Colin, I just want to continue to point out to everybody wherever Lebron has gone, Cleveland, La, Miami, he wins, and you'll say, well, Jay, he gets great teammates.

You can look it up.

You can look it up.

Lebron did it all, leading the team in rebounds, leading the team in points, leading an assist.

Lebron did it all, leading the team in rebounds, leading the team in points, leading an assist.

All Jordan did was score.

All Jordan did was score.

He was a great defender.

He was a great defender.

But Scotty Pippen is the guy who was leading the team in steels and blocks, doing the real dirty work. And again I'm not denigrating Jordan. I think he's a clear number to Lebron's.

But Scotty Pippen is the guy who was leading the team in steels and blocks, doing the real dirty work. And again I'm not denigrating Jordan. I think he's a clear number to Lebron's.

But like, come on, I would slow down that mobility necessarily is always the answer. I've talked about this in my life. I've bounced around to six seven different cities. But the downside is my kids weren't raised in one cul de sac and have lifelong friends on that that's the downside to it. The downside to mobility is that sometimes you have to deal with multiple owners, and we know that sports by and large has as many bad owners as good owners. So I mean the Lakers owners, actually the Bus family are some of the poorest owners. Dan Snyder was not Dan Gilbert. I didn't think it was one of the great owners. Mickey Errison and Miami was.

But like, come on, I would slow down that mobility necessarily is always the answer. I've talked about this in my life. I've bounced around to six seven different cities. But the downside is my kids weren't raised in one cul de sac and have lifelong friends on that that's the downside to it. The downside to mobility is that sometimes you have to deal with multiple owners, and we know that sports by and large has as many bad owners as good owners. So I mean the Lakers owners, actually the Bus family are some of the poorest owners. Dan Snyder was not Dan Gilbert. I didn't think it was one of the great owners. Mickey Errison and Miami was.

So.

So.

Yes, Lebron has won titles on multiple teams because of mobility, but Michael also had the advantage he played in a city where you know, people like to play. Chicago. Jerry Krause say what you Want was a very good GM. Scottie Pippens arguably the best Robin ever. Phil Jackson's the greatest coach ever. So Jerry Krause kept reinventing and refortifying this Tony Kuk coach. The Bulls went and got Tony Cook coach. At the time, he was the best European player in the league.

Yes, Lebron has won titles on multiple teams because of mobility, but Michael also had the advantage he played in a city where you know, people like to play. Chicago. Jerry Krause say what you Want was a very good GM. Scottie Pippens arguably the best Robin ever. Phil Jackson's the greatest coach ever. So Jerry Krause kept reinventing and refortifying this Tony Kuk coach. The Bulls went and got Tony Cook coach. At the time, he was the best European player in the league.

Yeah, they had a stack team. Remember when they when Jordan came back from baseball and they lost to the Orlando Magic. Michael Jordan was like, go get me. You know this guy, I need guys and like he he got to kind of hand pick his free agents. I just want to remind people it's not like Lebron started the super teams. Remember he took the cab to the Finals when he was twenty two. Collins the Celtics, and they were the ones who said, gimme Ray Allen, give me Kevin Garnett, joinforce it.

Yeah, they had a stack team. Remember when they when Jordan came back from baseball and they lost to the Orlando Magic. Michael Jordan was like, go get me. You know this guy, I need guys and like he he got to kind of hand pick his free agents. I just want to remind people it's not like Lebron started the super teams. Remember he took the cab to the Finals when he was twenty two. Collins the Celtics, and they were the ones who said, gimme Ray Allen, give me Kevin Garnett, joinforce it.

With Peers to become a super team.

With Peers to become a super team.

Lebron created them to then go form his own super team.

Lebron created them to then go form his own super team.

Because he always said this, If you gave me Lebron and Michael and there was ten seconds left in the game in one shot, I take Michael. He was a better he was a better offensive play. His mid range is better than anything I've ever seen. If you gave me a series, just one series, I'd probably take Michael. If you gave me an entire playoff run, because Lebron elevates every teammate he's ever had. I think I take Lebron. If you give me a season, I would take Lebron. I Lebron, you're talking of possession. If you're talking of possession, it is Michael all day long. I mean, I don't trust Lebron. It's a free throw line. Still Lebron's jumper. He loses confidence in that until the last couple of years. If you're talking a possession, it ain't close.

Because he always said this, If you gave me Lebron and Michael and there was ten seconds left in the game in one shot, I take Michael. He was a better he was a better offensive play. His mid range is better than anything I've ever seen. If you gave me a series, just one series, I'd probably take Michael. If you gave me an entire playoff run, because Lebron elevates every teammate he's ever had. I think I take Lebron. If you give me a season, I would take Lebron. I Lebron, you're talking of possession. If you're talking of possession, it is Michael all day long. I mean, I don't trust Lebron. It's a free throw line. Still Lebron's jumper. He loses confidence in that until the last couple of years. If you're talking a possession, it ain't close.

But the problem is you're saying, like last couple of years, Lebron's still playing. Michael Jordan quit the NBA twice he left, he bailed.

But the problem is you're saying, like last couple of years, Lebron's still playing. Michael Jordan quit the NBA twice he left, he bailed.

But you can't still at the top of.

But you can't still at the top of.

The textualize nutrition's better, training is better. The whole world's different.

The textualize nutrition's better, training is better. The whole world's different.

People ate steak and potatoes, played cards and drank wine. In the eighties, that's the reality people's life expectancy. It was the Western classic diet where steak was considered a help food and a baked potato and a glass of wine was considered healthy eating. So I'm never gonna blame I'm Michael for that. I think it comes down to I always said Lebron's a much more athletic version of Magic and Michael is a stronger, better defender than Kobe. That's their comps. They're just different guys in different eras. Jmck with the news, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. Yeah, if you're telling me, in the history of basketball, there's two players I would take if I have fifteen seconds left, Kareem on the skyhook and Michael on the midrange. Yeah, that those two, I may take Larry Bird third. That's not Lebron's strength. Lebron's strength is over time. He elevates everybody. He is in such incredible shape and so strong he wears you down over time. But if you're talking, get me a bucket now, there's probably eight guys, twelve guys I put, including Kevin Durant in front of Lebron James Kids to hurt.

People ate steak and potatoes, played cards and drank wine. In the eighties, that's the reality people's life expectancy. It was the Western classic diet where steak was considered a help food and a baked potato and a glass of wine was considered healthy eating. So I'm never gonna blame I'm Michael for that. I think it comes down to I always said Lebron's a much more athletic version of Magic and Michael is a stronger, better defender than Kobe. That's their comps. They're just different guys in different eras. Jmck with the news, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. Yeah, if you're telling me, in the history of basketball, there's two players I would take if I have fifteen seconds left, Kareem on the skyhook and Michael on the midrange. Yeah, that those two, I may take Larry Bird third. That's not Lebron's strength. Lebron's strength is over time. He elevates everybody. He is in such incredible shape and so strong he wears you down over time. But if you're talking, get me a bucket now, there's probably eight guys, twelve guys I put, including Kevin Durant in front of Lebron James Kids to hurt.

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So the tush push it's official, narrowly squeaked by and it will remain for another year. I'm surprised they've changed the kickoffs. The horse collar tackling Cam Chancellor jumping over to block field goals. If there's a sense in the NFL there's a little unnecessary danger, usually they ban it.

So the tush push it's official, narrowly squeaked by and it will remain for another year. I'm surprised they've changed the kickoffs. The horse collar tackling Cam Chancellor jumping over to block field goals. If there's a sense in the NFL there's a little unnecessary danger, usually they ban it.

Now.

Now.

It should be noted that the Rules Committee and the Health committees like they both encourage the league to ban the tush push. There are two biggest committees, the Rules Committee and the Health and Safety Committee both said nod get rid of it, and the owners listen to Jason Kelsey his spirited conviction for it.

It should be noted that the Rules Committee and the Health committees like they both encourage the league to ban the tush push. There are two biggest committees, the Rules Committee and the Health and Safety Committee both said nod get rid of it, and the owners listen to Jason Kelsey his spirited conviction for it.

That's my opinion.

That's my opinion.

He didn't speak, and I you know, Jason's a very respected guy in the league, and the Kelsey's are you know, they are the NFL right now, right along with the great quarterbacks in the league. I think that probably pushed a couple of you know, no votes to approval votes.

He didn't speak, and I you know, Jason's a very respected guy in the league, and the Kelsey's are you know, they are the NFL right now, right along with the great quarterbacks in the league. I think that probably pushed a couple of you know, no votes to approval votes.

That's my guess.

That's my guess.

Here's Chris Sims earlier on the owners not banning the play.

Here's Chris Sims earlier on the owners not banning the play.

They all took the side of like, man, it seems a little odd to take the play that the best team in football has been known for the last three years. We're gonna take that away from him because we can't stop it. The play itself. If you want to even talk about the danger of it or the beauty of it is the wedge created by the biggest offensive line we've seen in football since the Cowboys of the nineties.

They all took the side of like, man, it seems a little odd to take the play that the best team in football has been known for the last three years. We're gonna take that away from him because we can't stop it. The play itself. If you want to even talk about the danger of it or the beauty of it is the wedge created by the biggest offensive line we've seen in football since the Cowboys of the nineties.

For everybody else. For two reasons, Jalen Hurts squat six hundred pounds. I don't think any other quarterback does. I guess, but I don't think they do. And so he is so small compact and strong. He is just a hard guy. Like Josh Allen or Justin Herbert or bigger quarterbacks you can go up high on them. Hurts a small compact and incredibly forceful with his six hundred pound squatting resume, So that's part of I work. Secondly, it's the biggest offensive line in the league. I mean, the only other team that has an offensive line that's the equivalent or close is the Detroit Lions. And Goff's a tall, gangly guy that I assure you does not squat six hundred pounds. So it just works for them. And Dion Dawkins from our show recently, he stands mostly with a toush push.

For everybody else. For two reasons, Jalen Hurts squat six hundred pounds. I don't think any other quarterback does. I guess, but I don't think they do. And so he is so small compact and strong. He is just a hard guy. Like Josh Allen or Justin Herbert or bigger quarterbacks you can go up high on them. Hurts a small compact and incredibly forceful with his six hundred pound squatting resume, So that's part of I work. Secondly, it's the biggest offensive line in the league. I mean, the only other team that has an offensive line that's the equivalent or close is the Detroit Lions. And Goff's a tall, gangly guy that I assure you does not squat six hundred pounds. So it just works for them. And Dion Dawkins from our show recently, he stands mostly with a toush push.

It's very hard thing to do, but it's so weird because we play a game of inches, right, Like what's the best player to get inch? Thesh It's hard to take it out or it's hard to change it because it's so.

It's very hard thing to do, but it's so weird because we play a game of inches, right, Like what's the best player to get inch? Thesh It's hard to take it out or it's hard to change it because it's so.

Necessary in the game.

Necessary in the game.

Yeah, I mean, it's it's how many third and ones? The NFL is largely about moving the chains, move the sticks, keeps your defense off the field. You know, you own the clock. I mean, it's it's just get first downs. And Philadelphia does that at an accelerated rate. They've done this play more than everybody else. So yeah, again, the reason I didn't think it would pass, and without Jason Kelsey, I'm not sure if it does, is anything that looks a little dangerous or there's any data that shows it's dangerous. Now, there's no data that shows the tush push is getting guys hurt. But I don't think there was any data showing that Cam Chancellor jumping over line the block kicks. I don't think that was that was ruled as sort of unfair. Well, you know, Cam Chancer.

Yeah, I mean, it's it's how many third and ones? The NFL is largely about moving the chains, move the sticks, keeps your defense off the field. You know, you own the clock. I mean, it's it's just get first downs. And Philadelphia does that at an accelerated rate. They've done this play more than everybody else. So yeah, again, the reason I didn't think it would pass, and without Jason Kelsey, I'm not sure if it does, is anything that looks a little dangerous or there's any data that shows it's dangerous. Now, there's no data that shows the tush push is getting guys hurt. But I don't think there was any data showing that Cam Chancellor jumping over line the block kicks. I don't think that was that was ruled as sort of unfair. Well, you know, Cam Chancer.

Can do it.

Can do it.

Maybe everybody else doesn't have a Cam Chancellor. It looks a little little risky. Where was the data? So you know, I listen, when you get into politic it could be the Senate, it could be Congress. If you get a spirited debate or a spirited speaker with great conviction, and they're trying to sell you something. That's why a million people on the internet are selling you how to have great abs or how to get rich. Is if you know, if you there are just people out there, you get them in front of a mic, you get them in front of people. It's performative and they can sell their belief system. It could be Tony Robbins, it could be Jason Kelcey on the Toush push, and I think it probably swayed a handful of voters, So I'm fine with it. I'm surprised j Mack, where you weigh Yeah.

Maybe everybody else doesn't have a Cam Chancellor. It looks a little little risky. Where was the data? So you know, I listen, when you get into politic it could be the Senate, it could be Congress. If you get a spirited debate or a spirited speaker with great conviction, and they're trying to sell you something. That's why a million people on the internet are selling you how to have great abs or how to get rich. Is if you know, if you there are just people out there, you get them in front of a mic, you get them in front of people. It's performative and they can sell their belief system. It could be Tony Robbins, it could be Jason Kelcey on the Toush push, and I think it probably swayed a handful of voters, So I'm fine with it. I'm surprised j Mack, where you weigh Yeah.

I'm pro Toush push. I'm looking at the votes of how this broke down, and it's interesting because you know, the Eagles coach came out and was like, yes, Shane Steichen is a head coach because of the Toosh push, and Shane Steikeen is not backing the Toush push. I don't know if you noticed that. So I think it was twenty they were off by two votes. My guess is this will be the last year of the toist bush.

I'm pro Toush push. I'm looking at the votes of how this broke down, and it's interesting because you know, the Eagles coach came out and was like, yes, Shane Steichen is a head coach because of the Toosh push, and Shane Steikeen is not backing the Toush push. I don't know if you noticed that. So I think it was twenty they were off by two votes. My guess is this will be the last year of the toist bush.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If I had the guess, I mean they've been they've been talking about the kickoff for years. They finally changed that. This is a rule of This is a league of change. Yes, it's it's I mean they change the catch rule during An Eagle's Patriots Super Bowl.

If I had the guess, I mean they've been they've been talking about the kickoff for years. They finally changed that. This is a rule of This is a league of change. Yes, it's it's I mean they change the catch rule during An Eagle's Patriots Super Bowl.

It is a league of change. Always been fluid. We'll see tomorrow

It is a league of change. Always been fluid. We'll see tomorrow