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There is a lot of righteousness sometimes if you like events, people get caught up on what's real and what's not real. But again, I generationally grew up on daredevils. So when Evil Kinevil was at Caesar's Palace, that was as big as anything. Alie Frazier Madison, I grew up with a lot of events. There were daredevils, There were these big fights in New York or Vegas. Well, I think when it comes to combat sports, there's I don't want to say, you know, religion isn't the right word, but there's a bit of a spirituality to two men or women getting in a ring and trying to cause harm to each other, and we are witnessing it, rooting for this activity. It's extremely violence, so we want there to be some kind of, you know, something to it that removes that. And when you do things like the Jake Paul thing, it becomes a bit I don't think so, but it has a hacky feel to it, right, and I think that's where people are like get righteous about it. Yeah, I think when you to me, if you take sports too seriously, I've always said I'm a sportscaster with a very large audience. So people have decided to choose me as part of their sports diet, right, And my rule has always been, love your life like your sports. If I have to give up sports. I would. I'm not giving up my family. I'm not getting So it's like I think when you get too serious and too rigid about it, it's like it's fun. Is Jake Paul against Labian Bell tomorrow? Would you watch it? Yes? Don't think less of yourself? There's yeah. Well that I think is what plays into it too. It's that you know, you are a fan of this this sport, you enjoy this sport, You maybe you study this sport, you've been a fan for a long time, you have a certain you know, criteria for what you determine as you know, a high level of competition. And then here is essentially someone who's we're only paying attention to because they're famous for something else than the sport. And also, I mean, do you like the Olympics. Well, we know that we have much more capital, much greater training facilities than many of the countries we face. So it's not really even, but it's we root for the flag where it's patriotism. I don't care about curling, I do, strangely when it's American against blankety blank. So we have all this in our sports all the time. We make exceptions, we root, we root for the flag, we root for entertaining, We root and I'm just here for it. I cannot talk about regular season baseball games. They're just simply not that compelling to me. But if you give me a high wire act, daredevil, the Olympics. So I've said about the World Cup, it's Marty Graw with a ball. Even if you don't love soccer, and I'm I'm. I do love the United States men's and women's national teams, but I don't sit and watch MLS all the time, though I do like it. My mom was from England. I went to Europe as a kid. I watched the World Cup kind of got into it. I'm from the Pacific Northwest. I've always liked soccer more than the average sportscaster. And it's new. It's this generation of kids love it and so it's like, you know, it's fun, it's fun to be part of. But part of the World Cup is the pageantry of it. It's fascinating. The Ivory Coast with their resources can go foot to foot with US or a Canada and it's like it's really spectacular, and it's so there's so much humanity to it. It's beyond just wins and losses in sports. Well, I think it's I think it's a separation of entertainments and competition. Yes, So if you look at the Paul fight as entertainment, then you feel fine about it because you pay for all kinds of different entertaining, watch movies, you watch all kinds of things that aren't necessarily you know, fair or righteous competition, but our entertainment. Yeah, and that's where the purists get into it, like is he's not really a great fighter, and it's not really boxing, and it's not good for the sport. Like we'll have the conversation about where he ranks in actual boxers when he starts fighting boxers in their prime, right, But he's not right now. So I'm comfortable watching this as entertainment. Yeah, and I'm breaking it down within the confines of what it is. And by the way, UFC was a new sport. We may have a new sport and it's called celebrity boxing. And Jake Paul's the best at it. That very maywell. All the tough guys in Hollywood, all the tough guys in America, we may have a new sport, and it's called celebrity boxing. And Jake Paul is the alley of it. And if that's the case, then they'll just let's just watch it. I'm for new stuff. I was supportive of UFC years ago. I worked at the other place and I went to my bosses at ESPN and this is twenty years ago, and I said, if I was you, I would consider buying this sport. And remember what UFC was when it started. Okay, it was I gouging and so I was getting thrown off cable. And the Fatida family in Las Vegas they own the Station Casinos, Palastation, all that stuff, the great casinos. They're you know, big shots in Vegas. They I think they bought the thing for twelve million dollars and then or something it was something thereabouts, and sold it for six billion, you know, a little over a decade later. But I remember going to ESPN bosses, like the number two in command three. I said, all my buddies in Vegas and La are totally into this. It's a little rough around the edges. And you got to remember in the northeast, all these baseball fans and very austere We're going to fencing classes and I'm like, yeah, these people are beaten on themselves in an octagon. Everybody's into it. George Clooney's there, Cindy Crawford's there, my buddies are there, people are betting on it, blah blah blah, and so everybody was too cool for it. Well look what UFC is now, Look at MMA. You've got multiple designations, multiple belatar whatever they call it. So it's like, we may just have a new sport. It is because they're going to continue to make money off of it. And if his goal, if Jake Paul's goal is to make millions and millions and millions of dollars, then he would be able to do that. Now, if that changes and he wants to really be considered and evaluated amongst the ranks of you know, refined boxers who have yes doing this for their entire lives, then that's a different conversation. But I believe there's a crossover. Well, like, he's not in that lane right now, and that's fine with me because I'm just entertained. I'm not I'm not evaluating him as like, is he going to step into the other side of the sport. Well, when I grew up, basically the media was a lot of newspapers, ABCNBC, CBS news, nobody had opinions. And then the Murdoch family came over here from Australia and said, well, the media leans left. What if we just do a right leaning network And it was a wild hit. After about three years of beat CNN, and then Bill Gates and Microsoft and NBC said what if we create a network on the other side's called MSNBC and so cable television. Now news doesn't get any ratings on cable tv, opinion does. So that is an entire industry which has made a lot of people rich, is employed. All of us in this building is opinion. In news. You still have the New York Times, of Washington Post, ABCNBCCBS, Fox is going to go right, MSNBC is gonna go left, and they're absolutely have wildly popular tribal followings. And it's like it's just new industry that was not even an industry in the seventies. You wouldn't have considered a news anchor rooting for a candidate, bashing a candidate. That was not even considered an option. You would lose your job on that. For that matter, it didn't exist in sports either. Now we pay cable anchors six times what David Muir on ABC News makes, and he's fantastic, right, I think he's the number one guy. But if you can get numbers on cable or talk radio, you make much more money. That's more in demand from the public. So that's the way I look at all this Jake paul stuff. I just I'm always looking for new stuff. I mean, all this tech in Silicon Valley, it's all created for one or two reasons. Number one is to make our life faster and easier. If I see apps make it faster. I mean you used to have to have a roll deck and a phone, an alarm clock. All of it is on my phone. And so I just look at Jake Paula's like it's just something new. If you like the UFC. It was. I remember the first time I watched UFC. I was with my friends Brian and Nancy from Portland. We were in San Francisco for the weekend to have fun. I'd never seen it before. We walked into a sports bar Joey, I'm not sure if it's there still called the Condor. It was a low rough. We were having a final beer and go to bed right and we walked in and there was like twelve It was a sports bar, not the most glamorous. The Condor San Francisco walked in for a beer. It was by the hotel. They had twelve screens and UFC was on nine of them and it was rough. That was the eye gouging era. And then the Fatidas bought it and Dana White and they cleaned it up because they wanted and people complained when they clean it up. You know, I like all the eye gouging. It's like, no, Budweiser is not going to advertise if you have eye gouging, like you want big boy advertisers. So those people that all complain, they still watch it. They still love it. But you gotta get me in, right, you gotta get my wife in that sheets it and watch a fight and it can't be that brutal. So once again the idiots are like, no, you're softening the sport. It's like, yeah, that's what you do to build the capitalization of it and to bring the advertisers in and to be able to bring you know, people beyond the die hards into a sport, and also to grow the sport amongst young people. Nobody's allowing their child like, oh, they go, I'm training to be an UFC fighter, Like yeah, the pup can get their eye out, shout like sport dies and to bring young people into But that's that's I have a friend in Los Angeles that always says that about football. His son's going to play college football. He's a quarterback, and he says, in Los Angeles, which leans very very left, he goes, in my neighborhood, I'm considered crazy for letting my son play football. He said. If you go to Texas or the South or the Midwest, it's like it's you go tailgate, It's it's it's your Friday after work. He's like, in Los Angeles, I'm the weirdo. And it's so, I mean, everybody's got different opinions on stuff. Some people are precious, some are die hard. So I think you and I fall into some stuff. And what we cover is simply for entertainment. That's what all Star games are for. I started sports entertainment. That's why I get very very protective of fans who get upset or want to leave early or complain like the fans of the reason this all exists. They're the ones paying for this. Like, if I don't want to sit here and watch the rest of this crappy game and skip traffic, I have I paid for this game. I can't leave. I said here to prove I'm a good fan. Like, what are you talking about, because like as a fan competition or something the fan police like, it's it's it's for the fans, all of this for whatever it is that you like to do. Like, people work really hard, they have families, They set aside their money to go and watch games or watch fights or whatever whoever they want to watch. Years ago, because the Northeast is more steeped in tradition. Years ago, I complained about this at the other place, and I used to get a bad, bad feedback on this and pushback, and I said, I don't like Yankee Stadium, the old Yankee Stadium. I said, so you're asking me as a Sea in ticket holder. Let's say I'm an attorney and I walk to the Bronx. I'm attorney. I walked to the game. Done a single place in the old Yankee Stadium. I could have a legitimate dinner and watch the game. You had to go get a hot dog. The food choices sucked, and and everybody was like, you don't go to a game for food, No, no, no, no no. If I'm a lawyer, you're up in the deck, up to upper deck. I'm sitting downstairs. I'm paying thirty six thousand dollars for those seats. You can have options that are beyond a hot dog. And so even within a stadium there's the beer drinkers and the partiers upstairs, but you've got to give people multiple options. And I've said this sports is so much better today because if you want to go she she and bring your beautiful wife and you want and she wants sushi and a glass of wine, Dodger Stadium gives you that. If you want to Budweiser and sit in the upper deck, Dodger Stadium gives you that. I just want more options for all my sports. Yeah, and the stadiums are able with that. Like every stadium you go to now has local options. They have got like mom and pop shops that have open spaces inside of the arenas and inside of the stadiums. Like they have everything you could possibly want for your experience there. They have. I root for more better, Just keep giving me more cool stuff at stadiums more sports. If celebrity boxing is a new thing, I'm in. There's a couple of Hollywood people I'd like to see get knocked upside the head by Jake Paul. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdayson noun Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app Heard brought to you by Jersey Mike Subs be a sub above Albert Breyer's Around the Corner today, I'm just gonna rambling. Listen it is. I was talking about this earlier. The Seahawks are trying to pull off a Rams and the Rams do it better. So both of them give up their first round picks right for big moves. The difference is the Rams give up their first round picks and get Matt Stafford and Jalen Ramsey. The Seahawks that don't draft as well, got more desperate and went and give up three picks and a player for Jamal Adams, a box safety who's hurt again. And so they you look at both the Seahawks and the Rams and you're like, oh, they've got star quarterbacks. They're very aggressive, but I think Just because you're aggressive doesn't mean you're smart aggressive. You know, I'm not moving all my money to bitcoin. I don't think that's smart. I'm gonna keep some in banks, in cash, in real estate and all that stuff. So Seattle's been hyper aggressive, but I think it's too mask really bad draft picks. You know, they didn't have a pass rush, so they had to go give up stuff to get Carlos Dunlap, who's been good, and they had to give up stuff that's not the Rams. The Rams are very good. Fourteen of their twenty two starters, many of them excellent, like Aaron Donald. They drafted, They got a good scouting department. They don't whiff on much. They're just adding really great players to a really shrewd smart culture. They do great bargain shopping. Obj's a run a player for a year, Sony Michelle like bargain. Von Miller paid nothing. They gave up a couple of draft picks, middle round draft picks. So it's like to me, when I look at the Rams, I am four giving up first round picks with Seattle. I'm not because Seattle is not supplementing great draft picks. They're having to make big whiffs and trades and swings because they've missed on so many first round picks. I mean, Rashad Penny's a bust. LJ. Colliers close to a bust. Like that's two of their last two of their last three I think first round picks. That's not the case. So you look at these two anythink same division out West, star quarterbacks, great coaches, big aggressive swings. One Seattle is doing it to compensate for a lot of whiffs. LA's not. They're just like, we're good, we draft well, but good god, we can get Jalen Rams. See, he's way better than any first round pick we get. We can get Matt Stafford for a first round pick. You can't get Matt Stafford in the first round. None of these quarterbacks is gonna be Matt Stafford. So they may look outside like it's star quarterback, star coach, but I the Seahawks have been for several years a house of cards. The Rams aren't. And that's why one is going to potentially win the division to win the Super Bowl, and one, to me, is actually in a rebuild. They just don't want to admit it yet. Joey Taylor with the News No no, this is the herd line news. Well, COVID is uh, it's out here again. Yes, the new variants called oh macrow, it's they say. Most people that have it now have this variant. The most people that have COVID have this. Yes, COVID and it's milder, that's much more contagious. That's what it appears to be the truth. Yes, and you know sports leaders are trying to figured out and the Chiefs are the latest team dealing with a COVID outbreak. So Tyree Hill was added to the list on Tuesday, joining Travis Kelsey who went on the list on Monday. They currently have thirteen players on the click COVID list, including seven starters Chris Jones is not great. They are set to face the Steelers on Sunday. So the new protocols require testing among vaccinated people only when they are symptomatic or high risk close contact, or as a part of a targeted testing among a certain groups such as a position room. So someone you know has tested positive in the room, they test everybody, so on and so forth. So vaccinated players and staff who are asymptomatic for at least twenty four hours can return as soon as the day after their initial positive test if they test negative twice. So I know, just said a bunch of stuff. But the protocols have dramatically changed from what they were at the beginning of the season. And guess what, they're probably going to change again, because that's how this goes. None of us know what's happening. Every day. It's a different story. There's new information, there's new studies, there's new results. Doctors have different recommendations. But it seems that because of this variant not being as intense and punitive as the other variants I've been or original COVID, it seems that it's safer to allow players to play. Also, one of the great things about America, they've We've always known this America is the best place in the world of the two hundred and ten countries or whatever to have an idea and get it to the market and get it approved. And that's why people from Canada and Europe often want their companies over here as well. We we green light and streamlined businesses. Now we've got a COVID pill that's going to be pretty close to the market. There is a new vaccine now for omicron people. I believe who discovered it this morning Walter read hospital in DC. So the best of the best are in this country. And you can say whatever you want about presidents and protocols, but we got this thing through. We've done considering. It caught us totally off guard. A pretty good job. I'll say this again, most of these sports leagues have been better run than states. I think the commissioners have overwhelmingly been fantastic, without question, and have been much more cooperative and collaborative. The players Association and the owners and the players, and over nine ninety five percent of these players and executives are So it's like, I know, we're going to pay attention to Cole Beasley and we're gonna spend all the time on that. But in fairness, he's unique in that locker room. There's not many Cole Beasley's. He had a choice. I'm not gonna dog cuss him on there. He had a choice. Now it's hurting him here, he's gonna be out for a while and Buffalo needs him. But nonetheless, there was not a mandate. Cole Beasley had a choice. He's like, I'm not going to get vaxed. He was able to play but now that he tests a certain way, now he's going to be out. But it should be noted vaccines never said you couldn't get it, you just get a less severe case. I'm not going to go into that. That's the obvious one that we talked about for two years. But Cole Beasley made a choice. I'm not gonna sit and beat up co Beasley. No, and he followed the rules he was supposed to follow. You have a choice. There are no mandates, no nowhere in this country. There's no vaccine jails for the unvaccinated, despite what anyone is trying to pitch you. And I think they've done a tremendous job. And it's look everyone's dealing with this right now. So the Chiefs are may get some of these guys off before the game they played the Steelers. Obviously, having seven starters out is not ideal. We showed the lists. It's a lot of very important guys, including their kicker, Harrison Bucker, who's out. So you know they'll have to find their way through it. Luckily, the Chiefs are in a good position as of right now, the way that they've been playing as of late. So Matthew Stafford has always put up big passing numbers in Detroit despite not having a lot of team success. But you talked about this earlier. He's hit a milestone that is it is pretty shocking. He reached fifty thousand passing yards in the Rams win over the Seahawks. So he became the fastest quarterback to do that in just one hundred and eighty two. Totally, that doesn't seem right to me. It's almost like Detroit borders wins or Connecticut. They're using some Dewey decimal system up there that doesn't work because it doesn't make sense to me that it's better than Farv and Peyton. It doesn't make any sense to me. Well, he has in Detroit in his twelve seasons, he had sixty two point six completion percentage, forty five one hundred and nine yards, two hundred and eighty two touchdowns, and one hundred and forty four interceptions for all bad teams. Now they had a seventy four ninety and one recognizeation. Is this the reason why? Because they mostly trailed and he had to throw late. Maybe? I mean, if you ask our colleague Rob Parker, that's what he would tell you that he where did he call him? Uh Stad Padford sat Patat Padford. Yeah, for a long time. I mean there might be some of that, but that is that he's throwing more because they're behind, and you know it's it's some garbage time numbers. But I'm not going to diminish what this. When you saw that stat, didn't you go the hell well? When you evaluate Matthew Stafford's career and this was this was my question with him coming to LA is that we all talk about how incredibly talented he is because we have eyeballs and we could see that it and we all know how just funk l Detroit is and has been for a very long time. So the question was, what can somebody who can clearly see is talented do in a functional, talented, well coached, good culture environment that the LA rams are And now we're seeing it. It's not been perfect, it's certainly been a little clunky, but he now has to win. Like the answer is for his career is that he now has to win because he's always put up these statistics. I think that's an incredible stat but I do think some of it might have to do with with that, because if you look at the team success. It hadn't been there in Detroit. Yeah, he trailed a lot. He also played right out of the gate. He never sat, he walked into a passing offense. It's just it's just. But he's also very talented, So you're talented. You can get the ball to your receivers. But god, he's played in cold weather road games outside in Detroit and in Green Bay. I just would not have guessed him. I would have guessed who would have got who would you have guessed? Oh? God, Peyton Manning through a lot early, a lot. I'll be honest with you. Aaron Rodgers did not have a great running game. He does now, but he also didn't play for you're right, you're right, you're right. Carson Palmer on those bad Cincinnati teams when he had to throw because they were always trailing, it was just a lot. I mean, the key is the fastest to get there. That's that's like, that's the hook. It's very interesting, it is it's just history of the league. Matt Stafford, the fact that he did it in Detroit never had By the way, did he ever have great offensive lineman. He had a couple great receivers, pretty impressive So the Cardinal started the season very strong seven game win streak, but they've struggled recently and have lost their lead in the NFC West race, and Cliff Kingsbury pointed to another team that battled through a slump this season to show his confidence in his team turning things back around. I think the nature of this league is that at some point you're gonna hit adversity. You look at the Chiefs started three and four and then then won seven, just at a different time in their schedule, and so it's just how you're responding, how you handle it. And we have a prideful group. We have a veteran group that you know wants to get better after yesterday and understand what we have in front of us and what's still out there for so we'll work really hard this week and try to be much improved on Saturday. It's a cliche, but it's so true. There are no undefeated teams. You're going to have to deal with losses, temper tantrums, fissures in the room, injuries, COVID. So it's like, folks, you're all dealing with crap. It's how you handle it. Well. It's been a very wild year, and I think we say that every year when it comes to injuries, but it does feel like there's a lot of parody this year. And that's what's fun to me about it. Like it was we had a great college football season for various reasons, but like extremely competive. We have a Nonpower five, We have Michigan finally in Like it's fun and because there is no team that is head and shoulders above everyone else this year that's just dominating, it's wide open. We have two teams right now, potentially three that are totally run driven, the Colts, the Eagles, and Tennessee if Derrick Henry comes back. So three of our fourteen teams are going against what kind of the league tendencies are. So I mean, we've had a lot of different stuff, and I agree with you there is no great Kansas City is really good. But even Kansas City, I don't feel they're as good offensively as two years ago. I don't feel they're now we got COVID issues, so they're not as good offensive So everyone is. Everyone's dealing with that to start, and then the injuries and what it's really going to be who's most healthy and who's the most available throughout the postseason. But it's gonna be a fun one regardless. Joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Third Live. You know, Albert Ray's joining us Monday morning, quarterback. I was thinking about this as I'm talking and listening to Joy here. He's joining US Live. You know, it's funny. I was looking at the top ten draft picks and oh lord, it's just I feel sorry for some of these players. It's some of the worst cultures in the league. It's the Jets and the Jags and the Texans, and Philadelphia is not a bad culture, but it is interesting when you get multiple picks. And I watched Jalen Hurts last night and I'm saying, listen, it's not artistic here, but we have unconventional ways to win in the league. And do you think they take a quarterback with their first pick in Philadelphia? Where do you think they land privately on Jalen Hurts. I think they're happy with him, but not convinced that he's their long chart answer, which I think gives them flexibility going forward calling. And what that means is they have the three first round picks if they don't like Kenny Pickett or Matt Correll or one of the guys that's available. They can punt on it. They can sniff around into Shaun Watson and Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers, but they don't have to feel compelled to overpay for any of those guys. So I actually think Jalen Hurts puts them in a really nice position where, like, you know, maybe you'd obviously rather have your you know, no doubt about it, next ten years, he's our guy quarterback. But like, based on where they were coming out of the Carson one situation where they drafted jail and Hurts, this is actually a really nice spot to be in, you know, again, like it gives them the flexibility where if with those first three picks they want to rebuild different parts of the roster. I remember, they're aging in some spots. They're aging on the defensive line, they're raging on the offensive line. They can go ahead and do that, build a better infrastructure around jail And Hurts and give him even another shot to prove he can be the franchise quarterback next year. If they fall in love with somebody up there, they really love Kenny Pickett. Maybe they go in that direction, maybe they take a big swing on Deshaun Watson. But the best thing that I think comes out of this for the Eagles is the flexibility that having jail and Hurts creates for them, because clearly they've shown that they can win with him. Okay, it's one thing for Seattle not to make the playoffs. It's another to finish in fourth place and well of an under five hundred. I mean, Russell Wilson was prickly in the off season and they won twelve. So something's going to happen here. What is your gut feeling on what they do? Pete's got a lot of power. He's got more power than John Snyder. The current an owner of the Seahawks is Paul Allen's sister. Not a big sports fan. I'm not sure, she says in Paul Allen would make a move tomorrow. I'm not sure right now ownership would. What do you think they look like in a year. I think they're in rebuild and I think they've got to be very honest with themselves about where they are. And look, Colin, I was sitting here a year ago and I would have told you they got to do everything they can to keep Russell Wilson on board. It's a win now roster. They've got a seventy year old head coach, He's won a championship for him. Do everything you can to keep Russell Wilson on board. This feels different. This feels like sort of a natural ending to the story of Russell Wilson in Seattle. And maybe the best thing for all parties is for them to move on. I think you look at their roster. How many guys on that roster are young enough where you can say that guy could be a cornerstone for the next four or five years. The guys good enough and young enough where you could be a cornerstone for the next five years. Maybe you can say that about a DK Metcalf and Jamal Adams anyone else. I like the l Brown's older, I like the linebacker Brooks, But yeah, a DK Metcalf, I'm not vice he's a number one. I think he's a number one talent. I don't know if I can get nine I don't know if I can get nine targets and eight catches a week. I think your question is valid. I think they have to move Bobby Wagner, I really do right, and I just look at it and it just feels like this is the time for them to turn the page and blow it up. Russell Wilson still has two years left on this deal. He's only do fifty million over the next two years, so that contracts should be very tradeable. This is why when his value on the trade market is going to be at its highest, they don't have a first round pick next year because of the Jamal Adams trade. You just add the whole thing up and it's are you going to be able to win over the next two years with Russell Wilson. Is Russell Wilson going to want to return because there's been an assumption internally there that Russell Wilson has done his last contract in Seattle. Yes, to begin with, And it just feels to me like you add all those things up, the need for a rebuild where Russell is in his career, and Russell last year, all that stuff was about kicking off the second half of his career and finding a way to make all pro and finding a way to be in a position to compete for championships and finding a way eventually to get in the Hall of Fame. And if he didn't think that twelve when Seattle team was good enough to get him there, I mean, I don't know where you would think that the five when Seattle team would be have him in position to do that after this year. And so this feels to me like it could be like Detroit, you know, where they have a meeting at the end of the season and everybody decides that the best thing for everybody involved is to move on. And then that would be a benefit to Seattle too, because they'd be able to get ahead of the quarterback market when there are more suitors out there. So I was texting Matt Nagie the Bears last night. I think he's realistic about what's happening in Chicago. It's very interesting, Joy and I've talked about this multiple times. Usually there's seven to eight new coaches. It Urban and Gruden, there's two. Naggie feels like a third, and then I like Vic Fangio. Mostly, I think I think they're well coached. I just don't think they're dynamic at quarterback. But your guests on what happens to Matt Naggie and if he's gone, what are they going to look for the market for the next guy. So I think there are two roads they can take, and I'm assuming Matt's going to be gone. You know, one road is the obvious one. You got a young quarterback bringing the bringing an offensive guy to develop him, and so you know, I think you'd look at a couple of different guys, Like do you hold on to the general manager Ryan Pace if he convinces you that he'll land Sean Payton. I think that's one name to just sort of keep an eye on. I don't know if Sean want to leave New Orleans, but if I'm the Bears, I'm at least asking Josh McDaniels, I think is another one. He interviewed there previously. I think he'd be really good for justin fields. He was he vetted justin fields ahead of the draft last year. Obviously the Patriots we're looking for one. So that's one path you could take, is looking at like sort of a quarterback gurus. Then there's the other piece of this, which is the owner there. George mccasky has been really involved on the minority hiring front, and so like I sort of wonder, is that a place where you know, you look at like a young rising guy like a Bayron Leftich, or maybe maybe somebody who has experienced in the league who you see some potential, and that like a Asked Joseph or Todd Bowles, guys who've kind of gone and rebuilt their stock and now are worthy of a second chance. And so I think those are the two things you really have to kind of keep in mind. Here is the work that George McCaskey, the owner, has done in an effort to make the NFL coaching ranks more diverse, and then of course what their needs are going to be as far as finding a way to get the most out of justin fields in the short term. So I defended John Hardback because I've said this before. You never lose a locker room going for two or going for it and fourth down and you can lose games, you can't lose locker rooms and players or alpha's and aggressive and they love going for it, and Huntley is a unique backup that you can do multiple things with. There was a lot of pushback to hard Bob, what is your takeaway? I know where a few days remove, What was your takeaway on that? What are you hearing? I mean, my takeaway is just John's got a good sense for where his team is, and I think he's done a fabulous job coaching that group. I mean, when you look at where they're at there down both their tackles that are out, down, their top two running backs, the number one, number two cornerbacks, their quarterback was down on Sunday, and so I think, you know, it's been miracle work that they've done there over the last couple of months, you know. And I think that, like the decision on Sunday was really an acknowledgement of that. Colin. It's like you're looking at it with your team and you're saying, we've got to beat Aaron Rodgers at least once. Here, there's forty two seconds left on the clock. Can we trust our team can beat him twice? Right? Because if you go for two there, then all you got to do is stop Aaron Rodgers. Once the game's over, you win. If you kick the extra point, the game's tied, now you've got to beat Aaron Rodgers to get to overtime, and then you have to beat Aaron Rodgers in overtime. And so, to me, as much as anything else, that was sort of an acknowledgement of where his team is. It's I don't know right now if I've got the gas in the tank to keep this fight going with Aaron Rodgers. I don't know if I can go into the eleventh round, in the twelfth round with Aaron Rodgers. So I'm gonna try to knock him out now and see what happens. And you know, from that standpoint, I think as much as anything else, and we can argue about the analytics all we want, I think a lot of these decisions come down to what these coaches have on hand at the time, and I think John Harbaugh is just playing with the sort of hand where when he's got the chance to knock out an opponent like an Aaron Rodgers, he has to take it. Good stuff, Albert Brewer, have great holidays, my man. Thanks for stopping buy on a Wednesday. All right, Mary Christmas, you bet Merry Christmas to you. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and Noon Easter not a Empacific. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about the stories about what made these people love their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell you stories. You download it, you listen to it. I think you like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Gotlieb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or ever you get your podcast. All right, we're gonna play the game get the bag. For those of you who are not as hip, that means get the money. So we're gonna a big bag, little bag, no bag meaning if I had to pay you today, and I'm the general manager, which I've always said, if I didn't do this for a living, I would love to be a general manager of a professional football team. Yes, so the game is called get the bag, and here we go. What size bag would you give Kyler Murray? I would give Kyler Murray the big bag. A little worried about the injuries, but he gets better every year and in the things that matter to me, completion percentage, super accurate sixty nine, He can move, he can go deep yards per attempt eight point four, So I get over the top, over the top running, I get accuracy. To me, he checks all the boxes. I don't really care as much about the size. I do care about the injuries. You know, his body language can wear me out. But this talent is to me transformational. So he gets the big bag. Jalen Hurts no bag because he can move around a lot. But I haven't seen the accuracy throwing the football. Right now, his accuracy completion percentage is fifty eight. Now, he's young, this is year two, so let's not go crazy. I'm not expecting him to be a refined product, but it is pretty choppy to watch. He doesn't necessarily see the field as well as a kyler. He doesn't throw the ball as accurately as kyler. I do think the offense as a whole is a handful, But right now I need another year to see I need until next Thanksgiving. I need ten more starts. Can he give me a sixty two and a half percent completion percentage? At this point, I don't see it. How about Daniel Jones, no Bag? What really worries me about him? I always thought he was a reach. He's not getting better. So what's happened in the last three years his touch? As the receiving options have gotten better. They've spent money on Galliday and then they drafted Tony Well. His TD passes have decreased, so the old line's better today than three years ago. The receivers are better, but his touchdown passes have decreased as they give him more talent. So that what that tells me is he is totally plateaued. This is what he is and this isn't good enough to pay big money. Oh but this one gets a Santa size bag. But justin Herbert, I may bring to everything you want size, mobility, smarts, accuracy, humility. I mean, listen, he's twelve career games with three plus touchdown passes in the first two years of his career, one of which he had the second word stole line. Only Dan Marino's equaled that. So you know. The knock on him is he's a little mechanical to that. I would say he has the same throwing motion every time. I can live with that. I think he just I think there's boxes to check, and I think he checks all of them. The grateful, the physical, the big. He's also a kid. I've seen him take some shots as a big old body like he's never been hurt. It is an interesting one, no bag, because he's been hurt four times, So regardless of what I think about him, he is smaller. I've got a hip injury and ankle injury, a rib injury, and a thumb injury. Forget being bench last year, Like you have a right to grow. He's been hurt four times. He was hurt in college, and he's only averaging ten yards of completion in the NFL. What does that mean. It's a little bit what they call checkdown Charlie. Like, he doesn't do much over the top, so I don't get over the top mobility. I get over the top accuracy, but I don't get big plays. So there's a way to play him. And with Jalen Waddle, you've got a big play receiver, so I cannot pay him big money. Joe Burrow somewhere between little bag and big bag. I'd probably I'd love to have another season. I will say big bag because again the injury scares me. You can't have another one of those where you're ripping up the ACL and the MCL. But what I like about him, and he makes mistakes, but he is a throw the ball down the field guy, like he's gonna let it rip. And he has a very short memory. Some of his best games or after he made a bad pick early. So I got the size, I got the mobility, I got a little edge. I got cockiness without being defiant and over the top. I do he's somewhere between the medium bag and the big bag. But as a general manager, I've only had one of the great quarterback in the last fifteen twenty years, Carson Palmer, So I'm a pay him. I'm not letting him go to market. So how about Baker Mayfield? And I'll try to be fair, no bag, because now I'm on the fourth coach and he's a five hundred quarterback, so he's twenty nine and twenty eight, and he's had different quarterbacks and different systems. Folks, when you have an offensive line in a running game like this and your completion percentage is twenty fifth, that's not good enough. If it was a low ceiling thing and he was completing sixty eight percent of his throws, a Kirk Cousins thing, I'd have to pay him. But I'm not getting the accuracy, or the mobility, or the attitude I like, or the wind so and he's not checking boxes for me. I do think in Cleveland there's value to having this, you know, sort of polarizing quarterback. I think he's sells merchant tickets and the commercials. That part works. But he's thirtieth and pass attempts this year, and that's telling me the staff because it's not an online issue. It's the best old line in the league, right. The staff doesn't want him throwing. So if I'm a GM and my coaches don't want him throwing, I'm not giving him the bag. Mac Jones little bag. Very promising start. We also have a history in this franchise where you don't need a wildly dynamic quarterback in terms of out of the pocket. As the game is changing and I see Mahomes and Burroughs and Josh Allens in the AFC, I am a little concerned that I'm gonna have to have a better defense. But I am Bill Belichick. I got Bill Belichick as my coach, and he is the best coach ever, so I don't need some of the things other teams need. So he gets a bag, little bag. Another interesting Lynchaffy lawrence. At this point, I know eventually I may have to give him a big bag, so I'm not going to give up to him early. As a GM. I'll give him a little bag, and I'll offer him a little bag right now. Number one high school or number one college, number one pick. He's a really great talent. I'm not seeing a lot of wow. But it was also the most dysfunctional situation in the league. I mean, I've said before, was Zach Wilson. I think I was right with Trey Lance. I think I was right. He's not ready to play with Trevor. I still think I'm right.