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And it was too many amazing that Shadeur Sanders fell in the draft with that one of my favorite people at Fox, Greg Olsen, fourteen years in the NFL, is now joining US live.

And it was too many amazing that Shadeur Sanders fell in the draft with that one of my favorite people at Fox, Greg Olsen, fourteen years in the NFL, is now joining US live.

You know, I heard it was.

You know, I heard it was.

Funny after Friday show Greg before the second round. But after my show, I called an executive in the league and he said to me, he goes watch the next six picks and the first six picks in the second round, and he says, if those first six picks in the second round, if they don't take Shaduur. What the league is telling you is we see him as a backup now and backup quarterback. As Albert Breer said today, we want it to be like mix in with the furniture, Like backup quarterback is a guy that can go into a local mall with sunglasses and nobody recognizes them, not Cam Newton or Tim Tebow. So were you shocked once he didn't go in the first were you shocked to be fell?

Funny after Friday show Greg before the second round. But after my show, I called an executive in the league and he said to me, he goes watch the next six picks and the first six picks in the second round, and he says, if those first six picks in the second round, if they don't take Shaduur. What the league is telling you is we see him as a backup now and backup quarterback. As Albert Breer said today, we want it to be like mix in with the furniture, Like backup quarterback is a guy that can go into a local mall with sunglasses and nobody recognizes them, not Cam Newton or Tim Tebow. So were you shocked once he didn't go in the first were you shocked to be fell?

I think that's the name of the game. Right, So there's an inverse relationship in the NFL. So we'll just start just generally speaking with most roster players, not just the quarterback. There's an inverse ratio between the more you bring with you, the more I don't want to call it distraction, because sometimes it's a real net positive, right, We'll call it attention. The more attention you bring upon yourself, the more attention you go out and seek, the more the teams will tolerate more of it, the better a player you are. Right. So there's like this inverse relationship between those two elements. Now you add into the fact that it's the quarterback, right, the league has shown us and there's a million examples. The league has shown us they want guys that don't there's no extra there's no concerns, there's no where's his head at, where's his attention lying?

I think that's the name of the game. Right, So there's an inverse relationship in the NFL. So we'll just start just generally speaking with most roster players, not just the quarterback. There's an inverse ratio between the more you bring with you, the more I don't want to call it distraction, because sometimes it's a real net positive, right, We'll call it attention. The more attention you bring upon yourself, the more attention you go out and seek, the more the teams will tolerate more of it, the better a player you are. Right. So there's like this inverse relationship between those two elements. Now you add into the fact that it's the quarterback, right, the league has shown us and there's a million examples. The league has shown us they want guys that don't there's no extra there's no concerns, there's no where's his head at, where's his attention lying?

What are his priorities? And again I don't know shidor that well.

What are his priorities? And again I don't know shidor that well.

Obviously Dion and we all know his background but I think as the draft gets later and later, the element was is the guy good.

Obviously Dion and we all know his background but I think as the draft gets later and later, the element was is the guy good.

Enough to play in the NFL?

Enough to play in the NFL?

Yes? Is he a top tier talent where we're willing to then also take maybe everything else that comes with it. And I think a lot of it's harmless. I think a lot of it's attention seeking. I think it's an environment that we've created in college where you know, there's a lot more that comes with playing quarterback nowadays in college than it was when I was in college. So I think that we've almost created that as a system and as a society, and now teams have to make a decision if that guy's not going to be my all pro quarterback, do I want to put up with it? And I think that's really the test that we saw play out over the course of the draft. And and listen, could he end up being a steal there in the fifth round?

Yes? Is he a top tier talent where we're willing to then also take maybe everything else that comes with it. And I think a lot of it's harmless. I think a lot of it's attention seeking. I think it's an environment that we've created in college where you know, there's a lot more that comes with playing quarterback nowadays in college than it was when I was in college. So I think that we've almost created that as a system and as a society, and now teams have to make a decision if that guy's not going to be my all pro quarterback, do I want to put up with it? And I think that's really the test that we saw play out over the course of the draft. And and listen, could he end up being a steal there in the fifth round?

Yes?

Yes?

Has he shown at two different spots in colleges that he could go to teams that didn't necessarily have a great tradition of winning and turn the program around and bring attention and energy and buzz. Absolutely, he did it twice. So I'm not throwing him yet. I'm not throwing him to the Wolves and saying he has no career. But I think he needs to take a good, hard reset and say, you know what it's all about ball. It's all about me giving myself to have a chance to have a career in this league. And if it's as a backup, and then I worked to a starter, whatever that path is. But the league I think has shown and the message was pretty clear, you better be really, really talented, especially at quarterback if we're going to put up with a lot of other attention, a lot of other things.

Has he shown at two different spots in colleges that he could go to teams that didn't necessarily have a great tradition of winning and turn the program around and bring attention and energy and buzz. Absolutely, he did it twice. So I'm not throwing him yet. I'm not throwing him to the Wolves and saying he has no career. But I think he needs to take a good, hard reset and say, you know what it's all about ball. It's all about me giving myself to have a chance to have a career in this league. And if it's as a backup, and then I worked to a starter, whatever that path is. But the league I think has shown and the message was pretty clear, you better be really, really talented, especially at quarterback if we're going to put up with a lot of other attention, a lot of other things.

So you're a former Miami Hurricane. Cam Ward was a zero star recruit. I watched him at Washington State. I thought, oh, that's fun, but he's not an NFL guy. Then he goes to Miami and I'm like, okay, that works. You watch a lot of Hurricane football. Did you when you were watching him this year? Did you think, oh, that's the number one pick in the draft? I mean, did you see it immediately?

So you're a former Miami Hurricane. Cam Ward was a zero star recruit. I watched him at Washington State. I thought, oh, that's fun, but he's not an NFL guy. Then he goes to Miami and I'm like, okay, that works. You watch a lot of Hurricane football. Did you when you were watching him this year? Did you think, oh, that's the number one pick in the draft? I mean, did you see it immediately?

You know?

You know?

So it's kind of funny.

So it's kind of funny.

I think cam Ward is such a great example, especially in this like college football landscape where the zero star guy multiple colleges, three stops later, one year at Miami and he's the number one overall pick and he couldn't buy a scholarship at a high school. And then all the kids making ten you know, ten million dollar nil deals that are five stars are now on their fifth school. They've all trended downward, and they're all fighting, not all, but many of them are fighting for their lives. I think it's a great reminder for everybody out there that although the system is what it is, it's by no means indicative of what your future is. On top of that, to answer your question, I had dinner with Mario Chris Ball tomorrow. Chris Ball the head football coach at Miami. He was my tight end coach in Miami. I've known him since I was sixteen. He recruited me when I was a sophomore in high school when he was at Rutgers with Greg Ciano.

I think cam Ward is such a great example, especially in this like college football landscape where the zero star guy multiple colleges, three stops later, one year at Miami and he's the number one overall pick and he couldn't buy a scholarship at a high school. And then all the kids making ten you know, ten million dollar nil deals that are five stars are now on their fifth school. They've all trended downward, and they're all fighting, not all, but many of them are fighting for their lives. I think it's a great reminder for everybody out there that although the system is what it is, it's by no means indicative of what your future is. On top of that, to answer your question, I had dinner with Mario Chris Ball tomorrow. Chris Ball the head football coach at Miami. He was my tight end coach in Miami. I've known him since I was sixteen. He recruited me when I was a sophomore in high school when he was at Rutgers with Greg Ciano.

We go way back.

We go way back.

And I had dinner with them after spring ball, before worst summer camp, before last season, and he said, Greg, we've had a.

And I had dinner with them after spring ball, before worst summer camp, before last season, and he said, Greg, we've had a.

Lot of like dogs and this you know, the.

Lot of like dogs and this you know, the.

The Sean Taylors and the Antrell Roles and the you know, Edger and James, and we've had some really big time personalities that have taken charge of a locker room. Here he goes, In all my years at Miami, I'm not sure if we've had a guy like cam Ward who from day one changed everything about who we were, our identity, how we practice, how we met, he goes, Wait till you see this kid this year. I went to the opening game down at the Swamp in person on the sideline and watched him his first ever start at Miami against Florida. And I came away and I don't know if I would have said he's the number one overall pick right.

The Sean Taylors and the Antrell Roles and the you know, Edger and James, and we've had some really big time personalities that have taken charge of a locker room. Here he goes, In all my years at Miami, I'm not sure if we've had a guy like cam Ward who from day one changed everything about who we were, our identity, how we practice, how we met, he goes, Wait till you see this kid this year. I went to the opening game down at the Swamp in person on the sideline and watched him his first ever start at Miami against Florida. And I came away and I don't know if I would have said he's the number one overall pick right.

The footwork's a little awkward, he throws off plane.

The footwork's a little awkward, he throws off plane.

I wouldn't say it's how you would necessarily teach a young kid to play. It's a little more mahomes Ish as far as a little unconventional but special. But his season is pretty remarkable when he did at Miami, the culture and energy besides just the player.

I wouldn't say it's how you would necessarily teach a young kid to play. It's a little more mahomes Ish as far as a little unconventional but special. But his season is pretty remarkable when he did at Miami, the culture and energy besides just the player.

To a man at.

To a man at.

Miami, when you said who who was the most impactful player in that locker room in the last five ten years, it's cam Warden.

Miami, when you said who who was the most impactful player in that locker room in the last five ten years, it's cam Warden.

Yeah, that's a great straight So just you look like as a great kid. Explain to me I would put Travis Hunter on offense and I'd want him in the offensive meeting rooms. But he's too good. If there's a show hey thing here, it's probably too good not to play on defense. Explain to me, install day, how does that work? What meeting is he in?

Yeah, that's a great straight So just you look like as a great kid. Explain to me I would put Travis Hunter on offense and I'd want him in the offensive meeting rooms. But he's too good. If there's a show hey thing here, it's probably too good not to play on defense. Explain to me, install day, how does that work? What meeting is he in?

All right?

All right?

So if I was the coach, right, I have the magic wand and I'm in charge, I'm putting him to start in mostly defensive back meetings.

So if I was the coach, right, I have the magic wand and I'm in charge, I'm putting him to start in mostly defensive back meetings.

I think playing wide.

I think playing wide.

Receiver young in the NFL is a little bit easier, especially when you consider how talented he is physically. It's a little bit easier to build offensive packages for a wide receiver and start those out. You know, he might have ten to fifteen calls in any game plan going into any week than.

Receiver young in the NFL is a little bit easier, especially when you consider how talented he is physically. It's a little bit easier to build offensive packages for a wide receiver and start those out. You know, he might have ten to fifteen calls in any game plan going into any week than.

It is to do the opposite.

It is to do the opposite.

To spend all of your time on offense and then we're going to build out a defensive coverage plan.

To spend all of your time on offense and then we're going to build out a defensive coverage plan.

It doesn't really work like that.

It doesn't really work like that.

Playing corner, especially young in the NFL, is incredibly difficult. They're hard to find. They don't grow on trees. There just are more wide receivers in all shapes and sizes that can run, catch athletic and create problems with the ball in their hands. So I agree, you got to use them on both I would emphasize early teaching him how to be an all pro corner, and then he can learn and then offense, there's packages, there's reversus screens. Teach him a handful of the route tree, teach him the offense, and you can slow play and almost protect him as an offensive play caller because we can tell him exactly what your role is. Here are the plays to be prepared for. On defense, you're at corner. We've got to be able to play man zone, too high, single high zone. We've got to be able to play fire blit zones. The other team could come out in two backs, they can come out and spread. You could play to the boundary, you could play to the field. Defense is there's a lot more on your plate because you're reacting to what the offense can do. Offensive play caller, I can control what I expose him to, especially early, not overwhelm him. Control that side of the ball. So that's how I would handle him. I just think defensive back in the NFL nowadays, with the passing of the league and the way the league is going, you just can't find enough of those guys. And when you find a special one, he needs to play defense.

Playing corner, especially young in the NFL, is incredibly difficult. They're hard to find. They don't grow on trees. There just are more wide receivers in all shapes and sizes that can run, catch athletic and create problems with the ball in their hands. So I agree, you got to use them on both I would emphasize early teaching him how to be an all pro corner, and then he can learn and then offense, there's packages, there's reversus screens. Teach him a handful of the route tree, teach him the offense, and you can slow play and almost protect him as an offensive play caller because we can tell him exactly what your role is. Here are the plays to be prepared for. On defense, you're at corner. We've got to be able to play man zone, too high, single high zone. We've got to be able to play fire blit zones. The other team could come out in two backs, they can come out and spread. You could play to the boundary, you could play to the field. Defense is there's a lot more on your plate because you're reacting to what the offense can do. Offensive play caller, I can control what I expose him to, especially early, not overwhelm him. Control that side of the ball. So that's how I would handle him. I just think defensive back in the NFL nowadays, with the passing of the league and the way the league is going, you just can't find enough of those guys. And when you find a special one, he needs to play defense.

So you your career at the end was with Pete Carroll. One of the few draft picks that I felt was kind of obvious. I didn't hit on many of them, but I thought Ashton Genty Gino Smith is actually a pretty darn good quarterback when he throws on play action, when you force him to throw on third and eleven. You know that's the Mahomes Josh Allen where they can make it work. You know Pete, you know how he views the running game. Talk a little bit about that with gent who's dynamic, but you can also get short yardage with because he's so wrong. Yeah, I'm with you.

So you your career at the end was with Pete Carroll. One of the few draft picks that I felt was kind of obvious. I didn't hit on many of them, but I thought Ashton Genty Gino Smith is actually a pretty darn good quarterback when he throws on play action, when you force him to throw on third and eleven. You know that's the Mahomes Josh Allen where they can make it work. You know Pete, you know how he views the running game. Talk a little bit about that with gent who's dynamic, but you can also get short yardage with because he's so wrong. Yeah, I'm with you.

I think of all the drafts there in the top ten, call it that one made the most sense. Like that, just felt that's his Marshawn, That's that's his bell cow, that's his guy. That that is the identity of Pete. Play great defense, control to run play action. He went out and got brought Gino with him. Gino understands what Pete wants to be, understands the offense he wants to implement, and then new factoring. He's got two young tight ends. I would argue Brock powers he very well, could be the best young tight end to come out of college in the last ten years. Like I think he's that special. I thought he was that good when he was at Georgia. So two young tight ends with mayor from Notre Dame from the previous year that Rockbert Bowers going into a second year.

I think of all the drafts there in the top ten, call it that one made the most sense. Like that, just felt that's his Marshawn, That's that's his bell cow, that's his guy. That that is the identity of Pete. Play great defense, control to run play action. He went out and got brought Gino with him. Gino understands what Pete wants to be, understands the offense he wants to implement, and then new factoring. He's got two young tight ends. I would argue Brock powers he very well, could be the best young tight end to come out of college in the last ten years. Like I think he's that special. I thought he was that good when he was at Georgia. So two young tight ends with mayor from Notre Dame from the previous year that Rockbert Bowers going into a second year.

Continue to invest in an offensive line.

Continue to invest in an offensive line.

Now a Bell Coow quarterback, running back, get under center with Gino, play action on early downs. You're right, the guys that make sixty five to seventy million dollars, those guys are good on first and second down, and they're good on third and fifteen when everyone in the building knows it's a pass. That's why there's Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow, et cetera. The vast majority of the league. And this is not a knock the vast majority of the league. The formula is, you want to throw play action downs on first and second down, and you do not want to be and must pass downs. That is the formula on ninety percent of NFL rosters until you have the elite of the elite, and every down is a passing down. But there's only a couple of those guys. So I think the formula works. He has showed that it's worked for a long time. He's got the quarterback that can do it. He's got it back. Now he's got the tight ends. Continue to invest in the offensive line, and all of a sudden, this looks like what a Pete Carroll offense wants to be.

Now a Bell Coow quarterback, running back, get under center with Gino, play action on early downs. You're right, the guys that make sixty five to seventy million dollars, those guys are good on first and second down, and they're good on third and fifteen when everyone in the building knows it's a pass. That's why there's Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow, et cetera. The vast majority of the league. And this is not a knock the vast majority of the league. The formula is, you want to throw play action downs on first and second down, and you do not want to be and must pass downs. That is the formula on ninety percent of NFL rosters until you have the elite of the elite, and every down is a passing down. But there's only a couple of those guys. So I think the formula works. He has showed that it's worked for a long time. He's got the quarterback that can do it. He's got it back. Now he's got the tight ends. Continue to invest in the offensive line, and all of a sudden, this looks like what a Pete Carroll offense wants to be.

Finally, you played with Cam Newton, a spectacularly gifted athlete who was also a good pocket guy when he wanted to be. You also played in Chicago and you were a big part of Cam's career. The tight end. Okay, so now the Bears, with a spectacularly talented quarterback in Chicago, say we're going to get another tight end. So I think that you could say, boy, Colston Lovelin went high. They just got Romadonze, they had Cole Comet. But there is to talk about why tight end is so crucial for everybody, but really athletic quarterbacks. And I mean, you were Cam's guy, and I don't know, I just look at Caleb and Colston. I think that's going to work. And I loved the pick. Or is it just this that tight ends mean more to young quarterbacks? Is that it? Well?

Finally, you played with Cam Newton, a spectacularly gifted athlete who was also a good pocket guy when he wanted to be. You also played in Chicago and you were a big part of Cam's career. The tight end. Okay, so now the Bears, with a spectacularly talented quarterback in Chicago, say we're going to get another tight end. So I think that you could say, boy, Colston Lovelin went high. They just got Romadonze, they had Cole Comet. But there is to talk about why tight end is so crucial for everybody, but really athletic quarterbacks. And I mean, you were Cam's guy, and I don't know, I just look at Caleb and Colston. I think that's going to work. And I loved the pick. Or is it just this that tight ends mean more to young quarterbacks? Is that it? Well?

I definitely think tight ends mean a lot to young quarterbacks. I think that's been proving. There's a lot of examples throughout. But I also just think tight ends bring a lot of value in today's style the way that these offensive coordinators, you look obviously Ben Johnson, now the style in which these offensive play callers want to operate, that tight end is a huge role in that because, again, like we said, if you want to get under center, and you want to get into early play action on run fifty to fifty downs, and you want to be able to keep the defense in single high coverages for all your crossers and your layers and all your deep shots, you can't be in a let you can't be in ten personnel right. You can't have four wide receiver types and one back in the back right. So you've got to have somebody that can keep you honest in the why position, the tight end position. He could be an off ball player, he's an on ball player. There's a lot of ways to do it, but there needs to be some form of threat on first and second down that you're not just in past personnel in shotgun the entire game, we've seen that that approach across the league is very difficult. So now you bring in Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams. Now you have Cole Commett, who you mentioned, Rome Denze from last year. Don't forget they got DJ Moore from the from the Bryce Young trade, you know, a couple of years ago. Now you add in you know, so all of a sudden, now they've invested multiple offensive linemen. They're saying, we need our number one overall pick to succeed. We got him the coach, we've got him the line, we've got him the skill players. Now we'll worry about going back and worrying about building up the defense. But remember offensive coaches, Colin, if you're good on offense and the defense struggles, you can always find a new defensive coordinator.

I definitely think tight ends mean a lot to young quarterbacks. I think that's been proving. There's a lot of examples throughout. But I also just think tight ends bring a lot of value in today's style the way that these offensive coordinators, you look obviously Ben Johnson, now the style in which these offensive play callers want to operate, that tight end is a huge role in that because, again, like we said, if you want to get under center, and you want to get into early play action on run fifty to fifty downs, and you want to be able to keep the defense in single high coverages for all your crossers and your layers and all your deep shots, you can't be in a let you can't be in ten personnel right. You can't have four wide receiver types and one back in the back right. So you've got to have somebody that can keep you honest in the why position, the tight end position. He could be an off ball player, he's an on ball player. There's a lot of ways to do it, but there needs to be some form of threat on first and second down that you're not just in past personnel in shotgun the entire game, we've seen that that approach across the league is very difficult. So now you bring in Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams. Now you have Cole Commett, who you mentioned, Rome Denze from last year. Don't forget they got DJ Moore from the from the Bryce Young trade, you know, a couple of years ago. Now you add in you know, so all of a sudden, now they've invested multiple offensive linemen. They're saying, we need our number one overall pick to succeed. We got him the coach, we've got him the line, we've got him the skill players. Now we'll worry about going back and worrying about building up the defense. But remember offensive coaches, Colin, if you're good on offense and the defense struggles, you can always find a new defensive coordinator.

That's the format we see that.

That's the format we see that.

I hate to say it, but when they were struggling in Philadelphia and they couldn't get the defense right following Jonathan Gannon, all of a sudden, a year later, who's available, Vic Fangio. Yeah, all of a sudden in the Cincinnati, they've got the greatest offense in the league, offensive minded coach, and Zach Robinson and.

I hate to say it, but when they were struggling in Philadelphia and they couldn't get the defense right following Jonathan Gannon, all of a sudden, a year later, who's available, Vic Fangio. Yeah, all of a sudden in the Cincinnati, they've got the greatest offense in the league, offensive minded coach, and Zach Robinson and.

Taylor, Zach Taylor, and.

Taylor, Zach Taylor, and.

What do they do they get rid of a defensive coordinator who was up to be a head coach just a year or two before.

What do they do they get rid of a defensive coordinator who was up to be a head coach just a year or two before.

So that's the formula.

So that's the formula.

Get your young quarterbacks settled, get your new offensive minded head coach, Ben Johnson, get him going on offense, and then we have time to finish up complimenting the defense.

Get your young quarterbacks settled, get your new offensive minded head coach, Ben Johnson, get him going on offense, and then we have time to finish up complimenting the defense.

That's the NFL formula.

That's the NFL formula.

And I think the Bears have four to five wins built into this just by getting organized offensively with Ben Johnson in company. I think there's a four game elevation within that roster just by getting organized offensively.

And I think the Bears have four to five wins built into this just by getting organized offensively with Ben Johnson in company. I think there's a four game elevation within that roster just by getting organized offensively.

Greg Olsen, you do great work, my friend, as Ohays. I appreciate you stopping by, appreciate it, thanks toall you bet always love Greg coming on the show. Yeah, it's I mean you can tell that Ryan Poles and Ben Johnson have said we got to get Cale Williams right. We got to make sure and listen, it's not going to take long if you're the guy with those weapons. I mean, Jayden Daniels did it in September with Terry McLaurin and that's about it. Terry McLaurin. So I think Chicago is going to be good. I think they're going to be a playoff team. They don't have the overall roster of Detroit, but I think they can go toe to toe offensively with them.

Greg Olsen, you do great work, my friend, as Ohays. I appreciate you stopping by, appreciate it, thanks toall you bet always love Greg coming on the show. Yeah, it's I mean you can tell that Ryan Poles and Ben Johnson have said we got to get Cale Williams right. We got to make sure and listen, it's not going to take long if you're the guy with those weapons. I mean, Jayden Daniels did it in September with Terry McLaurin and that's about it. Terry McLaurin. So I think Chicago is going to be good. I think they're going to be a playoff team. They don't have the overall roster of Detroit, but I think they can go toe to toe offensively with them.

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All right, let's not waste any time. J Mack with a news.

All right, let's not waste any time. J Mack with a news.

This is the Herd Line news.

This is the Herd Line news.

All right, Colin, let's get started with How about this the Tennessee Titans. We love the cam word pick number one overall. However, there is some concern what are you doing Will Levis?

All right, Colin, let's get started with How about this the Tennessee Titans. We love the cam word pick number one overall. However, there is some concern what are you doing Will Levis?

Do you trade him?

Do you trade him?

You're making the backup?

You're making the backup?

According to GM Mike Boorganzi, the Titans did not look to trade Levis, and believe there's an advantage to keeping Will Levis.

According to GM Mike Boorganzi, the Titans did not look to trade Levis, and believe there's an advantage to keeping Will Levis.

It's a lot of value.

It's a lot of value.

You know. I think you know there's going to be competition in every room, and he elevates the competition in that room. That's what we're trying to do here as we get into training, campus, have the best ninety man roster, best competition every room, and we'll certainly provides that.

You know. I think you know there's going to be competition in every room, and he elevates the competition in that room. That's what we're trying to do here as we get into training, campus, have the best ninety man roster, best competition every room, and we'll certainly provides that.

Okay, let me defend Will Levis here. Please do that I haven't defended Will Levis goes from a bottom starting quarterback to a top eight to ten backup quarterback based on what based on the fact that he's actually really talented with a really good arm. He's not a franchise quarterback, but he could be in exceptional backup.

Okay, let me defend Will Levis here. Please do that I haven't defended Will Levis goes from a bottom starting quarterback to a top eight to ten backup quarterback based on what based on the fact that he's actually really talented with a really good arm. He's not a franchise quarterback, but he could be in exceptional backup.

Flinston or or or Will Levis is your backup?

Flinston or or or Will Levis is your backup?

Well, Jamis is probably a top three backup. So I would say Jamis Winston, but Kenny Pickett or Will Levis. Will Levis has a bigger arm. Again, what's the role? I love McHale Bridges, not as my star. If he's my third offensive player, I would love McHale Bridge.

Well, Jamis is probably a top three backup. So I would say Jamis Winston, but Kenny Pickett or Will Levis. Will Levis has a bigger arm. Again, what's the role? I love McHale Bridges, not as my star. If he's my third offensive player, I would love McHale Bridge.

Now hold on the GM.

Now hold on the GM.

Colin went on to say, these guys are gonna get an equal amount of reps heading into training camp. So is that just lip service? Hey Will, it's not over cam. You got to earn it.

Colin went on to say, these guys are gonna get an equal amount of reps heading into training camp. So is that just lip service? Hey Will, it's not over cam. You got to earn it.

Is that? What that is? Right there?

Is that? What that is? Right there?

Pretty much?

Pretty much?

No more? Because he's a very sharp guy. He's from Kansas City, very sharp guy. Okay, he said they'll get equal reps in training camp. He didn't say that they get equal reps in September. It's training camp. We're gonna give let young guys compete for it. Listen, there is no question cam Ward is a really talented quarterback and he's gonna win that job. I don't have a camp sharing snaps. I really don't.

No more? Because he's a very sharp guy. He's from Kansas City, very sharp guy. Okay, he said they'll get equal reps in training camp. He didn't say that they get equal reps in September. It's training camp. We're gonna give let young guys compete for it. Listen, there is no question cam Ward is a really talented quarterback and he's gonna win that job. I don't have a camp sharing snaps. I really don't.

Assuming no injury.

Assuming no injury.

If cam Ward isn't the Week one starter, I will ride that train or bus or whatever public transportation you're taking a checko, I'll ride that with you with a shirt that says like I love the Bears. Cam Ward is a lock, a mortal lock to be the starter. I don't buy there's any chance Will Levis has a crack at this. I'm surprised you think he's a good backup.

If cam Ward isn't the Week one starter, I will ride that train or bus or whatever public transportation you're taking a checko, I'll ride that with you with a shirt that says like I love the Bears. Cam Ward is a lock, a mortal lock to be the starter. I don't buy there's any chance Will Levis has a crack at this. I'm surprised you think he's a good backup.

This is a guy you were bagging on all last season.

This is a guy you were bagging on all last season.

I mean, how many times did Callahan f bomb him when he was screwing up and throwing games away.

I mean, how many times did Callahan f bomb him when he was screwing up and throwing games away.

I mean, I would argue Zach Wilson is somebody. I don't think it's a franchise guy. He's a top ten backup. He's also got multiple starts in New York City, so I'm like, you put him in Arizona, a smaller market. This kid started in New York City, played in lousy weather, taking a beating from the press. Zach Wilson's a very capable backup. I always said the backup in the NFL, if you get two starts, can you win one? Now, if we get the five starts, I can't expect you to win more than two, and it may be one. But I just need you. If I give you two starts, can you win one of them? If I give you four, I'm asking too much to win two of them. Yeah, you have to be realistic about the position. Yeah, Justin Fields was a good backup last year.

I mean, I would argue Zach Wilson is somebody. I don't think it's a franchise guy. He's a top ten backup. He's also got multiple starts in New York City, so I'm like, you put him in Arizona, a smaller market. This kid started in New York City, played in lousy weather, taking a beating from the press. Zach Wilson's a very capable backup. I always said the backup in the NFL, if you get two starts, can you win one? Now, if we get the five starts, I can't expect you to win more than two, and it may be one. But I just need you. If I give you two starts, can you win one of them? If I give you four, I'm asking too much to win two of them. Yeah, you have to be realistic about the position. Yeah, Justin Fields was a good backup last year.

Now he's a starter.

Now he's a starter.

Different, that's a different kitting game, right, yeah, yes, all right.

Different, that's a different kitting game, right, yeah, yes, all right.

Next up is the New England Patriots. They got Will Campbell.

Next up is the New England Patriots. They got Will Campbell.

I think I heard you say earlier you're not in love with him for its overall left tackle, But it's what they did in the second.

I think I heard you say earlier you're not in love with him for its overall left tackle, But it's what they did in the second.

Round that's gotten some attention.

Round that's gotten some attention.

According to Patriots inside of Phil Perry, Traveon Henderson out of Ohio State was the most impactful selection for the Patriots.

According to Patriots inside of Phil Perry, Traveon Henderson out of Ohio State was the most impactful selection for the Patriots.

He's a passing game player. He's going to be a threat in the passing game. He's going to be an easy outlet for Drake May and he's the kind of player where as soon as he touches it He's a threat to score. Not only that, but he is a beast in pass protection. And so again, where you're trying to surround your quarterback with people that are going to keep him safe and make him look better than he might be at times, Travan Henderson is exactly the way to go. So I really like that they went and they got him after protecting him in the first round, get him a weapon in the second round.

He's a passing game player. He's going to be a threat in the passing game. He's going to be an easy outlet for Drake May and he's the kind of player where as soon as he touches it He's a threat to score. Not only that, but he is a beast in pass protection. And so again, where you're trying to surround your quarterback with people that are going to keep him safe and make him look better than he might be at times, Travan Henderson is exactly the way to go. So I really like that they went and they got him after protecting him in the first round, get him a weapon in the second round.

He was one of the best in this year's draft.

He was one of the best in this year's draft.

Okay, I'm gonna say. I know he went in the second round, and I know he played at Ohio State. I think he is the most underrated player that out of the first round in the draft. I think he's going to be a star. The other back who people like I just don't see. I don't think he's that dynamic. I think there are certain players that you watch and I think Ashton Genty had this when I watch them against Oregon. I think there are certain players you watch a college football and Ohio State plays big time teams. They look different on TV. They've got a different gear. I think he's gonna walk in and be a thousand yard back as a rookie. Be An unbelievable blocker in the backfield. I think this kid is I think he looks a lot like Jamiir Gibbs. What a better blow. I think he looks a lot like and Gibbs got Lion's got heat for drafting him. Gibbs has been an unbelievable hit. I think this kid is special.

Okay, I'm gonna say. I know he went in the second round, and I know he played at Ohio State. I think he is the most underrated player that out of the first round in the draft. I think he's going to be a star. The other back who people like I just don't see. I don't think he's that dynamic. I think there are certain players that you watch and I think Ashton Genty had this when I watch them against Oregon. I think there are certain players you watch a college football and Ohio State plays big time teams. They look different on TV. They've got a different gear. I think he's gonna walk in and be a thousand yard back as a rookie. Be An unbelievable blocker in the backfield. I think this kid is I think he looks a lot like Jamiir Gibbs. What a better blow. I think he looks a lot like and Gibbs got Lion's got heat for drafting him. Gibbs has been an unbelievable hit. I think this kid is special.

So Henderson remember arrived at Ohio State with some Heisman hype, like this guy's that good.

So Henderson remember arrived at Ohio State with some Heisman hype, like this guy's that good.

Yes, I just listen.

Yes, I just listen.

I like him a lot.

I like him a lot.

I think he's gonna be a big factor.

I think he's gonna be a big factor.

I just wonder, Colin, how easy is it to defend the Buckeyes when they've got two first round receivers Jeremiah Smith the freshman and then Abuka right, and then you've got two great running backs like they were extremely difficult to defend. So Henderson just totally dominated. Is he going to be that good in the pros? Do you think he'll be Gibbs level?

I just wonder, Colin, how easy is it to defend the Buckeyes when they've got two first round receivers Jeremiah Smith the freshman and then Abuka right, and then you've got two great running backs like they were extremely difficult to defend. So Henderson just totally dominated. Is he going to be that good in the pros? Do you think he'll be Gibbs level?

I think I don't think he's quite as good as a pure back, but I think he does other things well. And also, Ohio State's weakness, you could argue because of injuries, was their O line, their receivers, their pass rush. I mean, Ohio State was really good at a lot of spots. They didn't have a superstar quarterback, and their O line was banged up from a the year.

I think I don't think he's quite as good as a pure back, but I think he does other things well. And also, Ohio State's weakness, you could argue because of injuries, was their O line, their receivers, their pass rush. I mean, Ohio State was really good at a lot of spots. They didn't have a superstar quarterback, and their O line was banged up from a the year.

You know what I hate is that you're right about the Patriots. They're gonna better than the Jets next year. I feel sadly confident in saying that. Final stories to the NBA. This story just popped in the last hour.

You know what I hate is that you're right about the Patriots. They're gonna better than the Jets next year. I feel sadly confident in saying that. Final stories to the NBA. This story just popped in the last hour.

Colin, I love it.

Colin, I love it.

The league is considering a change to the All Star.

The league is considering a change to the All Star.

Format, probably because Colin Coward crushes it every chance he gets.

Format, probably because Colin Coward crushes it every chance he gets.

So.

So.

According to Adam Silver, the NBA is considering a USA versus the World format. Love it now. In the Olympics it was fire. I mean the US versus who they played. They played Canada, they played Serbia. Every match was thrilling. This would the All Star Game would shift from Sunday to Saturday, which would allow the Olympics coverage from Milan to transition into the All Star Game.

According to Adam Silver, the NBA is considering a USA versus the World format. Love it now. In the Olympics it was fire. I mean the US versus who they played. They played Canada, they played Serbia. Every match was thrilling. This would the All Star Game would shift from Sunday to Saturday, which would allow the Olympics coverage from Milan to transition into the All Star Game.

Colin, I kind of love this.

Colin, I kind of love this.

Now.

Now.

We do have a graphic with.

We do have a graphic with.

The potential player pool from the USA, which is stacked. Obviously you got veterans like Curry and Lebron, but that even KD. That's three guys over like thirty five, even the young Bucks ad I'm sorry, Anthony Edwards.

The potential player pool from the USA, which is stacked. Obviously you got veterans like Curry and Lebron, but that even KD. That's three guys over like thirty five, even the young Bucks ad I'm sorry, Anthony Edwards.

Tyree's Haliburton teams would be so good.

Tyree's Haliburton teams would be so good.

Yeah, now the world team, Colin, look at that a lot of Biggs, right, Wemby porzingis Jokic, not as many guards, which I think hurts. But like Jamal Murray didn't make it from Canada, I think this would be absolutely thrilling. I'm all one hundred percent all in.

Yeah, now the world team, Colin, look at that a lot of Biggs, right, Wemby porzingis Jokic, not as many guards, which I think hurts. But like Jamal Murray didn't make it from Canada, I think this would be absolutely thrilling. I'm all one hundred percent all in.

I mean, look at how good European bigs are. Good Lord, I mean, I'll tell you this, America really cares about stuff once they're not good at it or are threatened if you threatened us. Like remember when we played Canada. You know that that USA Canada that the all start HL nations. Yeah, I mean that we get you know, weren't like most nations were very tribal. And we've won a lot of stuff. So I think this is brilliant. I mean I would absolutely watch this, totally interesting.

I mean, look at how good European bigs are. Good Lord, I mean, I'll tell you this, America really cares about stuff once they're not good at it or are threatened if you threatened us. Like remember when we played Canada. You know that that USA Canada that the all start HL nations. Yeah, I mean that we get you know, weren't like most nations were very tribal. And we've won a lot of stuff. So I think this is brilliant. I mean I would absolutely watch this, totally interesting.

I know you were up late last night in the Windy City watching Sheng Goon dominate.

I know you were up late last night in the Windy City watching Sheng Goon dominate.

He looks like a major, big time player in this league.

He looks like a major, big time player in this league.

Man, he's a young guy, not even twenty five yet, and other than Draymond, nobody could stop him on the Warriors, like these European dudes can play.

Man, he's a young guy, not even twenty five yet, and other than Draymond, nobody could stop him on the Warriors, like these European dudes can play.

Yeah, their bigs are really skilled. Jmcklanews, Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping.

Yeah, their bigs are really skilled. Jmcklanews, Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping.

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All right, welcome back. You know Joel Clatt front and center in Green Bay for the NFL drafts. He's gonna join us live. We're gonna wrap some drafts stuff up right now with Joel Clatt, who is going to join us live. So you know, I was told after my show Friday, so i'd done the hurt on Friday, we hadn't got to the second round yet, and I talked to an executive in the league that says, if the door doesn't get drafted in the first six picks of the second round, he is then viewed as a backup. And he goes, I'm just going to tell you, uh, there's you know, he used a little sharper language. He said, not a lot of people are going to be excited about, you know that circus as a backup, it's a totally different position. I've said before, I think Will Levis as a backup could be great. I'm not building my franchise, personality and everything. So let's talk about the temperament of the backup quarterback and how much that could have hurt Shaduur.

All right, welcome back. You know Joel Clatt front and center in Green Bay for the NFL drafts. He's gonna join us live. We're gonna wrap some drafts stuff up right now with Joel Clatt, who is going to join us live. So you know, I was told after my show Friday, so i'd done the hurt on Friday, we hadn't got to the second round yet, and I talked to an executive in the league that says, if the door doesn't get drafted in the first six picks of the second round, he is then viewed as a backup. And he goes, I'm just going to tell you, uh, there's you know, he used a little sharper language. He said, not a lot of people are going to be excited about, you know that circus as a backup, it's a totally different position. I've said before, I think Will Levis as a backup could be great. I'm not building my franchise, personality and everything. So let's talk about the temperament of the backup quarterback and how much that could have hurt Shaduur.

I think it's the thing that hurt him.

I think it's the thing that hurt him.

Colin.

Colin.

It was the biggest issue, because I would even move it ahead. You know you said that that executive said the first six picks of the second round. I actually thought it was after New York traded back into the first and didn't select him. That means that Cleveland was on the clock twice in the first round didn't select him. It meant that New Orleans didn't select they were on the clock. It meant that Pittsburgh didn't select him, they were on the clock. It means the Giants executed a trade to get back on the clock. They didn't select him at that point. I knew right then he was viewed as a backup. And once you're viewed as a backup, now it actually becomes more about your personality than it does your play, which is why some of those other guys actually went before him. And it's not just that they didn't disliked his personality. Here's the issue, and I've said this, you know, on a couple of different places, including my show, Colin I said, no team wants the story to be in the backup quarterbacks locker. And it's not that they can't control the narrative, all right. They can probably feel like they can control the narrative and the team, but they can't control the media. And when the media walks in and Tim Tebow is the backup quarterback, guess who. Everyone goes and talks to Tim Tebow and then they ask all the team about Tim Tebow. The same thing happened with Colin Kaepernick. It's part of the reason why they didn't last long as backups, as part of the reason Cam Newton isn't a backup because he becomes the story, right, And I think that was the case with Shad or Sanders. That's one hundred percent, at least in my estimation, what happened. And I don't buy at all, not for one second, that there was some sort of overarching collusion amongst the ownership of the National Football League to teach him a lesson. I don't believe that that was the case. This is too competitive an industry where everyone's trying to get a leg up. If they viewed him as a starter, they would have selected him in the first twenty one picks of the draft.

It was the biggest issue, because I would even move it ahead. You know you said that that executive said the first six picks of the second round. I actually thought it was after New York traded back into the first and didn't select him. That means that Cleveland was on the clock twice in the first round didn't select him. It meant that New Orleans didn't select they were on the clock. It meant that Pittsburgh didn't select him, they were on the clock. It means the Giants executed a trade to get back on the clock. They didn't select him at that point. I knew right then he was viewed as a backup. And once you're viewed as a backup, now it actually becomes more about your personality than it does your play, which is why some of those other guys actually went before him. And it's not just that they didn't disliked his personality. Here's the issue, and I've said this, you know, on a couple of different places, including my show, Colin I said, no team wants the story to be in the backup quarterbacks locker. And it's not that they can't control the narrative, all right. They can probably feel like they can control the narrative and the team, but they can't control the media. And when the media walks in and Tim Tebow is the backup quarterback, guess who. Everyone goes and talks to Tim Tebow and then they ask all the team about Tim Tebow. The same thing happened with Colin Kaepernick. It's part of the reason why they didn't last long as backups, as part of the reason Cam Newton isn't a backup because he becomes the story, right, And I think that was the case with Shad or Sanders. That's one hundred percent, at least in my estimation, what happened. And I don't buy at all, not for one second, that there was some sort of overarching collusion amongst the ownership of the National Football League to teach him a lesson. I don't believe that that was the case. This is too competitive an industry where everyone's trying to get a leg up. If they viewed him as a starter, they would have selected him in the first twenty one picks of the draft.

So you know Colorado football, you played there, You know it well. I have asked multiple NFL people, how do you make the offensive defensive player work simultaneously? Let me ask you, how did Colorado do the meeting rooms for Travis Hunter?

So you know Colorado football, you played there, You know it well. I have asked multiple NFL people, how do you make the offensive defensive player work simultaneously? Let me ask you, how did Colorado do the meeting rooms for Travis Hunter?

Yeah?

Yeah?

So he primarily would split it up based on day, you know. So he would go on tuesdays to offense for example in Bays to defensive meetings, and then by and large he would be in what I would call like a load manage mint kind of position during practice. So didn't practice a ton because they knew that he was going to be taking one hundred and twenty snaps. I think more important to how he divvies up his time, though, if you're going to have this player play both ways, your coach has to have an immense amount of courage. Your GM has to have an immense amount of courage and this is what the This is where the beauty of Dion comes in. This is why Travis chose Dion in the first place, and as the top ranked recruit in the country went to Jackson State, is because he knew that when Dion said, yeah, you're going to play both ways, that Dion mint.

So he primarily would split it up based on day, you know. So he would go on tuesdays to offense for example in Bays to defensive meetings, and then by and large he would be in what I would call like a load manage mint kind of position during practice. So didn't practice a ton because they knew that he was going to be taking one hundred and twenty snaps. I think more important to how he divvies up his time, though, if you're going to have this player play both ways, your coach has to have an immense amount of courage. Your GM has to have an immense amount of courage and this is what the This is where the beauty of Dion comes in. This is why Travis chose Dion in the first place, and as the top ranked recruit in the country went to Jackson State, is because he knew that when Dion said, yeah, you're going to play both ways, that Dion mint.

It and that he wouldn't back off of that.

It and that he wouldn't back off of that.

Because the pressure is immense on head coaches, and Liam Cohen is an offensive guy, so he's going to sit there and be like, well, I need Travis in my meetings and I need him on my side of the ball during practice, and the defensive coordinator is going to pound the table and say the same thing. And what you need is an adult voice in the room that says, no, this is the plan and this is how we're going to do this. The media is going to be asking about, well, isn't he going to get injured? Isn't this too many snaps? So the beauty of what happened at Colorado wasn't their plan in the way that they orchestrated the week call it. It was the courage that Dion had that in the face of all the questions and all the pressure he sat there and said, no, he's a two way player, and he's going to continue to be a two way player. So I've said annually the college football and media can drive me crazy when they're trying to convince me that a heart tugging SMU story deserves to be in And I'm like, guys, most the best players go into the SEC in Big ten and the best players come out of the conferences.

Because the pressure is immense on head coaches, and Liam Cohen is an offensive guy, so he's going to sit there and be like, well, I need Travis in my meetings and I need him on my side of the ball during practice, and the defensive coordinator is going to pound the table and say the same thing. And what you need is an adult voice in the room that says, no, this is the plan and this is how we're going to do this. The media is going to be asking about, well, isn't he going to get injured? Isn't this too many snaps? So the beauty of what happened at Colorado wasn't their plan in the way that they orchestrated the week call it. It was the courage that Dion had that in the face of all the questions and all the pressure he sat there and said, no, he's a two way player, and he's going to continue to be a two way player. So I've said annually the college football and media can drive me crazy when they're trying to convince me that a heart tugging SMU story deserves to be in And I'm like, guys, most the best players go into the SEC in Big ten and the best players come out of the conferences.

Look at the college recruiting rankings. In recruiting, that's going to tell you he's got the best players. On average. Everybody misses on recruits. But if you have twelve five star guys and you miss on six, you still have six five star guys. So twenty six to thirty two first round players were SEC or Big ten guys. To me, this is validation of if you have to another Big ten team in the playoff. Can we all just acknowledge that's where the best players are. How did you view it?

Look at the college recruiting rankings. In recruiting, that's going to tell you he's got the best players. On average. Everybody misses on recruits. But if you have twelve five star guys and you miss on six, you still have six five star guys. So twenty six to thirty two first round players were SEC or Big ten guys. To me, this is validation of if you have to another Big ten team in the playoff. Can we all just acknowledge that's where the best players are. How did you view it?

Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm in one hundred percent agreement with you. If you go even past the first round, you look at the first forty five picks, Ohio State had seven of them. You know, that's fifteen percent of the draft at that point, you know, is Ohio State players, which is why they won the national championship.

Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm in one hundred percent agreement with you. If you go even past the first round, you look at the first forty five picks, Ohio State had seven of them. You know, that's fifteen percent of the draft at that point, you know, is Ohio State players, which is why they won the national championship.

So I agree with you, which is which is why.

So I agree with you, which is which is why.

And we're going to get into this as this summer rolls on and we get closer to the season. This is why the proposal from the Big Ten and the SEC in terms of the way that the playoffs should be structured moving forward.

And we're going to get into this as this summer rolls on and we get closer to the season. This is why the proposal from the Big Ten and the SEC in terms of the way that the playoffs should be structured moving forward.

Is exactly right.

Is exactly right.

It will grow to fourteen teams, and it should be four automatic berths for each of those conferences, the Big Ten and the SEC. They are just better and it sets up structurally much better for college football that way, because the other conferences actually have an avenue to get a second team, so which I don't think that they really do right now in the twelve team format. So you're right, although I will just say like people don't want to hear that. They don't want to look at those numbers and actually view it as reality. They want to bury their head in the sand and remember yesteryear of nineteen eighty eight, in nineteen eighty nine and think of college football as this great depth and width of the entire country playing at a high level, and candidly, that's just not quite the case.

It will grow to fourteen teams, and it should be four automatic berths for each of those conferences, the Big Ten and the SEC. They are just better and it sets up structurally much better for college football that way, because the other conferences actually have an avenue to get a second team, so which I don't think that they really do right now in the twelve team format. So you're right, although I will just say like people don't want to hear that. They don't want to look at those numbers and actually view it as reality. They want to bury their head in the sand and remember yesteryear of nineteen eighty eight, in nineteen eighty nine and think of college football as this great depth and width of the entire country playing at a high level, and candidly, that's just not quite the case.

I want to talk about Quinn yours because you talk about dropping the draft. A year ago, people said first round pick. Now, full disclosure, I had said, I just never saw it. I didn't really get it, and I felt that about other quarterback. I like Kyle McCord at Syracuse much more than I like Quin Ewers. Now he was drafted ahead of him, maybe not that much couple of rounds, but when he felt nobody already discussed it because the chadur story overwhelmed everybody, But there was a time high school and college where he was the guy. What happened over his development, which clearly didn't land with NFLGMS, well a.

I want to talk about Quinn yours because you talk about dropping the draft. A year ago, people said first round pick. Now, full disclosure, I had said, I just never saw it. I didn't really get it, and I felt that about other quarterback. I like Kyle McCord at Syracuse much more than I like Quin Ewers. Now he was drafted ahead of him, maybe not that much couple of rounds, but when he felt nobody already discussed it because the chadur story overwhelmed everybody, But there was a time high school and college where he was the guy. What happened over his development, which clearly didn't land with NFLGMS, well a.

Couple of things. I think that the injury issue was tough on Quinn. Remember there was never a season where he started every game. Every year he got banged up and missed time, and you just can't do that in the national football He got that position. They just frown upon that so drastically. The other part would say, when you evaluate Quinn, what you see is is a guy that has talent. But I'm going to talk about pitch selection. I think it's very important that you can show a repertoire of pitches as a quarterback, you've got to be able to drive the football. You've got to be able to throw with touch. You've got to be able to throw deep down the field. Colin, You've got to be able to throw the layered ball over the linebacker and in front of the safety. And there were times when Quinn only threw with touch and he didn't drive the football into tight windows. And I think there were times that hurt Texas, and I think that that hurt him ultimately in the evaluation.

Couple of things. I think that the injury issue was tough on Quinn. Remember there was never a season where he started every game. Every year he got banged up and missed time, and you just can't do that in the national football He got that position. They just frown upon that so drastically. The other part would say, when you evaluate Quinn, what you see is is a guy that has talent. But I'm going to talk about pitch selection. I think it's very important that you can show a repertoire of pitches as a quarterback, you've got to be able to drive the football. You've got to be able to throw with touch. You've got to be able to throw deep down the field. Colin, You've got to be able to throw the layered ball over the linebacker and in front of the safety. And there were times when Quinn only threw with touch and he didn't drive the football into tight windows. And I think there were times that hurt Texas, and I think that that hurt him ultimately in the evaluation.

Yeah, Finally, I don't think Dion helped his son a lot with some of the you know, we're gonna go this gonna be on our terms. I think you have to be very careful about that. I think of John Elway or Eli Manning. Dad is different because Peyton was the mvat it was also.

Yeah, Finally, I don't think Dion helped his son a lot with some of the you know, we're gonna go this gonna be on our terms. I think you have to be very careful about that. I think of John Elway or Eli Manning. Dad is different because Peyton was the mvat it was also.

A different league. Let's face it, like the leagues of behemoth. Now, it wasn't quite the behemoth that it was even in Eli's case.

A different league. Let's face it, like the leagues of behemoth. Now, it wasn't quite the behemoth that it was even in Eli's case.

The NFL wasn't.

The NFL wasn't.

What we know of the NFL to be even in the early two thousands. It is a behemoth. Now, look at what it does to the TV networks. I mean, it sells games to television networks and then turns around and sells the exact same games to other networks and doesn't give them a refund. You know, like this, this place is a behemoth. This is a different league, and I think that they overplayed their hand in that regard.

What we know of the NFL to be even in the early two thousands. It is a behemoth. Now, look at what it does to the TV networks. I mean, it sells games to television networks and then turns around and sells the exact same games to other networks and doesn't give them a refund. You know, like this, this place is a behemoth. This is a different league, and I think that they overplayed their hand in that regard.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, by the way, it's happened before now. It happens a lot at the high school and college level. It doesn't happen at the pro level a lot. But I also think, listen, I think he's the most underdrafted player. I think Travan Henderson of Ohio State is second, and he went in the second round. I think he's going to be a star. I think he's going to be a thousand yard rusher for the Patriots. We have a minute left. I think he's a sensational player. What did you make? I mean, I think New England's going to be the most improved team in the league. I thought, if I were to grade drafts, I thought New England had the best draft because of what they found at the end of the year with Drake May and then what they provided him protection with Will Campbell playmakers on the outside.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, by the way, it's happened before now. It happens a lot at the high school and college level. It doesn't happen at the pro level a lot. But I also think, listen, I think he's the most underdrafted player. I think Travan Henderson of Ohio State is second, and he went in the second round. I think he's going to be a star. I think he's going to be a thousand yard rusher for the Patriots. We have a minute left. I think he's a sensational player. What did you make? I mean, I think New England's going to be the most improved team in the league. I thought, if I were to grade drafts, I thought New England had the best draft because of what they found at the end of the year with Drake May and then what they provided him protection with Will Campbell playmakers on the outside.

I love the Kyle Williams pick. By the way, I think he's a really good player. Yes, so like they got value with their guys. And then Colin I'll just end with this. Was there a better interview answer than Will Campbell wiping his tears away and then saying I'm going to fight and die to protect that guy. And I was like, you bet, let's go. I thought New England had a great draft.

I love the Kyle Williams pick. By the way, I think he's a really good player. Yes, so like they got value with their guys. And then Colin I'll just end with this. Was there a better interview answer than Will Campbell wiping his tears away and then saying I'm going to fight and die to protect that guy. And I was like, you bet, let's go. I thought New England had a great draft.

Yeah, I mean between the two hundred million they spent in free agency in the draft, they probably found eight to nine starters. By the way, I'm glad you mentioned Kyle Williams, a receiver for Washington State, because again, this is a program people don't watch a lot of. He is a total baller. He is a aggressive home run hitter.

Yeah, I mean between the two hundred million they spent in free agency in the draft, they probably found eight to nine starters. By the way, I'm glad you mentioned Kyle Williams, a receiver for Washington State, because again, this is a program people don't watch a lot of. He is a total baller. He is a aggressive home run hitter.

So I'm with you.

So I'm with you.

The Patriots have massively upgraded Joel Klatt Fox Sports Good see anybody. Yeah, I mean it's that's one of the things that's so great about the NFL. You know, in baseball, you know, even if Bryce Harper can go to the minor leagues, in basketball, you're drafting eighteen nineteen year olds, right, Like even Jalen Green, who we think is amazing, he's been lost in three or four, three or four games in this series in the NFL. New England's awful. They go get six starters in free agency. They don't have to be high end starters, they can be B players. Then they go get three or four excellent draft picks. They probably have eight to nine new starters. A much better coach than Mike Frable. I'll say it again. New England's making the playoffs. They are my Denver Broncos or Washington Commanders from last year, where I think Vegas is sleeping on them. I think New England's going to be a nine win team. They're not a super Bowl team. They're not Buffalo

The Patriots have massively upgraded Joel Klatt Fox Sports Good see anybody. Yeah, I mean it's that's one of the things that's so great about the NFL. You know, in baseball, you know, even if Bryce Harper can go to the minor leagues, in basketball, you're drafting eighteen nineteen year olds, right, Like even Jalen Green, who we think is amazing, he's been lost in three or four, three or four games in this series in the NFL. New England's awful. They go get six starters in free agency. They don't have to be high end starters, they can be B players. Then they go get three or four excellent draft picks. They probably have eight to nine new starters. A much better coach than Mike Frable. I'll say it again. New England's making the playoffs. They are my Denver Broncos or Washington Commanders from last year, where I think Vegas is sleeping on them. I think New England's going to be a nine win team. They're not a super Bowl team. They're not Buffalo