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I want to thank Tom Brady stopping by earlier. Danny parkins too. Mark Sanchez joins us in ten minutes, but first, it's Jmac, the cynical Jets head coach leaning Jmack with the news.

I want to thank Tom Brady stopping by earlier. Danny parkins too. Mark Sanchez joins us in ten minutes, but first, it's Jmac, the cynical Jets head coach leaning Jmack with the news.

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I you know, I root for the Jets and you blast me, and then I am negative and you're like, hey, come on, turn it around.

I you know, I root for the Jets and you blast me, and then I am negative and you're like, hey, come on, turn it around.

Well, I think generally fans go too high or too low. And although I think Vrabel is going to make the Patriots better, your roster is I think notably better than New England today and not that far away from Buffalo. So if you hit and that, you know what this league is. We've seen this before. A team hits on four draft picks and you look up and go, oh, they're really good. It doesn't take long in this league that you get the new coaching staff. You hit on your first four picks and you're pretty good.

Well, I think generally fans go too high or too low. And although I think Vrabel is going to make the Patriots better, your roster is I think notably better than New England today and not that far away from Buffalo. So if you hit and that, you know what this league is. We've seen this before. A team hits on four draft picks and you look up and go, oh, they're really good. It doesn't take long in this league that you get the new coaching staff. You hit on your first four picks and you're pretty good.

Quickly positive coward love it. Let's see if you're positive here. Brian Schottenheimer has become the betting favorite for the Cowboys job after his interview on Tuesday at per Ian Rappaport of the NFL Network, The Cowboys said They're gonna meet with Schottenheimer a second time. Regarding the Dallas head coaching opening. You know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be as negative as I am on the Jets, but this would be an uninspiring higher quot from deon sanm Brian Schottenheimer.

Quickly positive coward love it. Let's see if you're positive here. Brian Schottenheimer has become the betting favorite for the Cowboys job after his interview on Tuesday at per Ian Rappaport of the NFL Network, The Cowboys said They're gonna meet with Schottenheimer a second time. Regarding the Dallas head coaching opening. You know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be as negative as I am on the Jets, but this would be an uninspiring higher quot from deon sanm Brian Schottenheimer.

Well, his last two jobs had been quick and he was shown the door. Never been a head coach. He's essentially a Nepo baby, isn't he? His dad a legendary minds. I think he's shown some capability.

Well, his last two jobs had been quick and he was shown the door. Never been a head coach. He's essentially a Nepo baby, isn't he? His dad a legendary minds. I think he's shown some capability.

What did he show with the Jets as OC trust? And actually Mark Sanchez knows that maybe Sanchez will defend him, but uh, I'm.

What did he show with the Jets as OC trust? And actually Mark Sanchez knows that maybe Sanchez will defend him, but uh, I'm.

Not the biggest marks, Like how I get gotten this thing? Well, at least we can talk to him about it late, all right.

Not the biggest marks, Like how I get gotten this thing? Well, at least we can talk to him about it late, all right.

Next up is the Detroit Lions. Yes, obviously they lost another coordinator. That's two in the span of what forty eight.

Next up is the Detroit Lions. Yes, obviously they lost another coordinator. That's two in the span of what forty eight.

Hours, and both excellent. Yeah, I told you, I said when the Lions lost, I said, up my podcast, I sat up Monday on this network. I said, keep your eye on Detroit. They'll be good. They're aline run game in golf guarantees good. They're gonna pull back. They're gonna pull back. Now, how much will the Jets pull up?

Hours, and both excellent. Yeah, I told you, I said when the Lions lost, I said, up my podcast, I sat up Monday on this network. I said, keep your eye on Detroit. They'll be good. They're aline run game in golf guarantees good. They're gonna pull back. They're gonna pull back. Now, how much will the Jets pull up?

With Glenn?

With Glenn?

This is the fifth head coach out of the last six they've hired with a defensive background. Before he left Detroit, Glenn addressed a concern over his experience.

This is the fifth head coach out of the last six they've hired with a defensive background. Before he left Detroit, Glenn addressed a concern over his experience.

I'm a coach. I just happen to be on defense. I understand offense just as well as a number of people. So if you want to hire me, he's gonna hire a coach.

I'm a coach. I just happen to be on defense. I understand offense just as well as a number of people. So if you want to hire me, he's gonna hire a coach.

You're not gonna hire a defense A coach, I'm gonna talk to the offense just so much.

You're not gonna hire a defense A coach, I'm gonna talk to the offense just so much.

I'm gonna talk to the defense.

I'm gonna talk to the defense.

So Nick Cayley is the Rams passing game coordinator. Keep your eye on Nick Cayley to the Jets or Detroit. The Jets that's Connor Hughes. Cool. Okay, he was a New York writer, I think, isn't it? Yeah he is. He covers New York football, he says Nick Cayley, the Rams passing game coordinator. I don't know much about Nick, so I will he's part of the McVeigh tree. Just trust that he knew.

So Nick Cayley is the Rams passing game coordinator. Keep your eye on Nick Cayley to the Jets or Detroit. The Jets that's Connor Hughes. Cool. Okay, he was a New York writer, I think, isn't it? Yeah he is. He covers New York football, he says Nick Cayley, the Rams passing game coordinator. I don't know much about Nick, so I will he's part of the McVeigh tree. Just trust that he knew.

Just hire McVay guys that I'll just what's his name of the Bengals had a cup of coffee with McVeigh and next thing you know, Zach Taylor's to the Super Bowl like two years later. So anybody from the McVeigh tree works. Final story, Colin is Ben Johnson settling in nicely to Chicago. He's got the buc on the screen there, nice tie that reflects handsome colors.

Just hire McVay guys that I'll just what's his name of the Bengals had a cup of coffee with McVeigh and next thing you know, Zach Taylor's to the Super Bowl like two years later. So anybody from the McVeigh tree works. Final story, Colin is Ben Johnson settling in nicely to Chicago. He's got the buc on the screen there, nice tie that reflects handsome colors.

He won the press conference today.

He won the press conference today.

You love guys who win the press conference, and he made sure to address one of the most important people in the.

You love guys who win the press conference, and he made sure to address one of the most important people in the.

Room, Caleb.

Room, Caleb.

I'm excited to work with you, but it's gonna take more than just you, and there are a lot of pieces already in place, and I can't wait to get to work with the rest of you, guys. Quarterback success is a higher predictor of winning and losing than turnover ratio, which has been for twenty plus years.

I'm excited to work with you, but it's gonna take more than just you, and there are a lot of pieces already in place, and I can't wait to get to work with the rest of you, guys. Quarterback success is a higher predictor of winning and losing than turnover ratio, which has been for twenty plus years.

Okay, that's changed.

Okay, that's changed.

So there's no doubt Caleb played a large component into my decision. He is a phenomenal talent that had as many quarterbacks do an up and down rookie year.

So there's no doubt Caleb played a large component into my decision. He is a phenomenal talent that had as many quarterbacks do an up and down rookie year.

Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean you saw moments. I think I have no problem to hire. I said McCarthy could maybe deal with the politics, but I Ben Jonson and is, by and large, Ben Johnson is seen as a home run higher and he and this should be noted, Detroit is weaker today, not only with Aaron Glenn, not only with Ben Johnson, but Ben Johnson's gonna take their O line coach. So you could argue Detroit has lost their three best coaches, their three best assistants all leaving. And Dan Campbell is not a scheme guy. That's not what he is. And that's okay. He's a he's more of a walk around culture builder. Guy mcvay' is a scheme guy. He loses scheme guys. They're fine, the same with Andy Reid. But so this is this is really interesting. So Nick Seriani's had success. He's a walk around guy. He's not scheming it up, he's not calling places. He lost two great coordinators and they were a mess very quickly. Minnesota could lose Brian Floores. They did. They're gonna lose Sam Donold. He's going on. But the offense is safe with Kevin O'donnald.

Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean you saw moments. I think I have no problem to hire. I said McCarthy could maybe deal with the politics, but I Ben Jonson and is, by and large, Ben Johnson is seen as a home run higher and he and this should be noted, Detroit is weaker today, not only with Aaron Glenn, not only with Ben Johnson, but Ben Johnson's gonna take their O line coach. So you could argue Detroit has lost their three best coaches, their three best assistants all leaving. And Dan Campbell is not a scheme guy. That's not what he is. And that's okay. He's a he's more of a walk around culture builder. Guy mcvay' is a scheme guy. He loses scheme guys. They're fine, the same with Andy Reid. But so this is this is really interesting. So Nick Seriani's had success. He's a walk around guy. He's not scheming it up, he's not calling places. He lost two great coordinators and they were a mess very quickly. Minnesota could lose Brian Floores. They did. They're gonna lose Sam Donold. He's going on. But the offense is safe with Kevin O'donnald.

Yeah, but a lot of change in those two. Now I know Washington has kind of killed the change.

Yeah, but a lot of change in those two. Now I know Washington has kind of killed the change.

Now.

Now.

Now here's what I worry about with Detroit. We're just gonna hire within. I don't love hiring within. Sometimes your best candidate. Think about this, when you're a big company, there is a chance that the best employee for a huge job is in house. But don't you want to go hire a search firm. Are you gonna tell me the three best coaches in the NFL or college football to replace your three best assistants are all in the building.

Now here's what I worry about with Detroit. We're just gonna hire within. I don't love hiring within. Sometimes your best candidate. Think about this, when you're a big company, there is a chance that the best employee for a huge job is in house. But don't you want to go hire a search firm. Are you gonna tell me the three best coaches in the NFL or college football to replace your three best assistants are all in the building.

Yeah, that's not that You've gotta go look outside. So a lot of these radio hosts, they just are radio guys. You and I have both run companies, have hired people. It's not as simple as oh, give me that guy. You got to do a lot of homework on the people. And I think this Ben Johnson moved.

Yeah, that's not that You've gotta go look outside. So a lot of these radio hosts, they just are radio guys. You and I have both run companies, have hired people. It's not as simple as oh, give me that guy. You got to do a lot of homework on the people. And I think this Ben Johnson moved.

There is no Aaron Glenn in the building in Detroit. You've got to go pay seven figures and go get there's no more Aaron Glenn's in that building. And my guess is there's no Ben job something to build.

There is no Aaron Glenn in the building in Detroit. You've got to go pay seven figures and go get there's no more Aaron Glenn's in that building. And my guess is there's no Ben job something to build.

I would agree with that guess. I think there's a world where the Bears. Yeah, they get the right, they have a good draft. Why can't they win that division next year?

I would agree with that guess. I think there's a world where the Bears. Yeah, they get the right, they have a good draft. Why can't they win that division next year?

But I think they can compete for it. Absolutely. This is a better situation than Washington. Montez sweats better than anybody Washington hadn't had on the d line. Jalen Johnson's a better corner than anybody Washington had. And though they had Terry McLaurin, you get djmore, Keenan Allen Romadnze, you get two tight ends. I like this team's better than Washington a year ago. We've got something now. And in this division, by the way, unlike the Washington Division where Philadelphia is stacked defensively and the Giants are decent defensively, this is a soft defensive division that Ben Johnson and Caleb are facing. In fact, I would argue the best defense at times was the Bears. So you'll see a practice defense that may be better than most of the division. That's what I see. Yeah.

But I think they can compete for it. Absolutely. This is a better situation than Washington. Montez sweats better than anybody Washington hadn't had on the d line. Jalen Johnson's a better corner than anybody Washington had. And though they had Terry McLaurin, you get djmore, Keenan Allen Romadnze, you get two tight ends. I like this team's better than Washington a year ago. We've got something now. And in this division, by the way, unlike the Washington Division where Philadelphia is stacked defensively and the Giants are decent defensively, this is a soft defensive division that Ben Johnson and Caleb are facing. In fact, I would argue the best defense at times was the Bears. So you'll see a practice defense that may be better than most of the division. That's what I see. Yeah.

J Mack with the news, Well that's the news. Thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

J Mack with the news, Well that's the news. Thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

Let's bring in Mark Sanchez, Fox Sports NFL analysts. The last time the Jets were viable.

Let's bring in Mark Sanchez, Fox Sports NFL analysts. The last time the Jets were viable.

Baby, you know Crag you hanging in coo to see.

Baby, you know Crag you hanging in coo to see.

You, buddy, I have I said, I kind of like Aaron Glenn. I thought what he did with like six starters. You watched Detroit at the end of the year from Thanksgiving on they were missing six starters.

You, buddy, I have I said, I kind of like Aaron Glenn. I thought what he did with like six starters. You watched Detroit at the end of the year from Thanksgiving on they were missing six starters.

Yeah, that's a that's a tough deal.

Yeah, that's a that's a tough deal.

And it's he's one of those guys who subscribes to like, Hey, they pay me to coach, like, not just the superstars. I got to coach the whole roster. He mentioned that in his press conference. So I think I think, regardless of it being a tough market, he's you know, we see a lot of these coordinators and coaches. Whether this guarantees that it translates to a bunch of Super Bowls and a bunch of playoff runs and wins, I can't guarantee that, but I'll tell you what. I sit down with a lot of coaches in those production meetings before games, and he's been one of the most impressive from the last four years of calling games.

And it's he's one of those guys who subscribes to like, Hey, they pay me to coach, like, not just the superstars. I got to coach the whole roster. He mentioned that in his press conference. So I think I think, regardless of it being a tough market, he's you know, we see a lot of these coordinators and coaches. Whether this guarantees that it translates to a bunch of Super Bowls and a bunch of playoff runs and wins, I can't guarantee that, but I'll tell you what. I sit down with a lot of coaches in those production meetings before games, and he's been one of the most impressive from the last four years of calling games.

Wow.

Wow.

So once again, does that mean they go ten and oh to start the season next year?

So once again, does that mean they go ten and oh to start the season next year?

I don't know. J Mack obviously thinks no. He's like about the under on.

I don't know. J Mack obviously thinks no. He's like about the under on.

That if you can sit in a meeting with you.

That if you can sit in a meeting with you.

No, i'd and I and once again, some coaches you know, kind of put on a show. This felt genuine. You know, as a player, you obviously respect the former player aspect understanding what the guys go through. I think immediately he has some equity with those guys. Yeah, and you know the people around him that I know I was, I've been impressed with and I haven't heard. Oh, they got plenty. I mean, you're gonna have to figure out what you're doing at quarterback.

No, i'd and I and once again, some coaches you know, kind of put on a show. This felt genuine. You know, as a player, you obviously respect the former player aspect understanding what the guys go through. I think immediately he has some equity with those guys. Yeah, and you know the people around him that I know I was, I've been impressed with and I haven't heard. Oh, they got plenty. I mean, you're gonna have to figure out what you're doing at quarterback.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And don't ask j Mac because I know he's down in the dumps about a guy who played better coming off of achilles injury. He's forty one and had a better year than he did his last year in Green Bay, Like, I mean better than top half of the league. You're telling me, like, you can't win with a court if you just sign up and erase the name and the personality. Obviously, for you, Jmack, you'd say, will we take those stats to win? It's better than a lot of other guys that are playing.

And don't ask j Mac because I know he's down in the dumps about a guy who played better coming off of achilles injury. He's forty one and had a better year than he did his last year in Green Bay, Like, I mean better than top half of the league. You're telling me, like, you can't win with a court if you just sign up and erase the name and the personality. Obviously, for you, Jmack, you'd say, will we take those stats to win? It's better than a lot of other guys that are playing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, and you think a defensive guy like Erin. I know he said I'm a coach, but yeah, he's got a defensive background. He won't take those stats.

So, and you think a defensive guy like Erin. I know he said I'm a coach, but yeah, he's got a defensive background. He won't take those stats.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I mean, that's one thing. The performance. Then it's like the attitude, the are we going to be here all off season? Are we all in? That's another issue? And then the numbers issue because they're gonna want to go get some players, They're gonna have to figure out how to handle the roster financially. So those three factors are going to play into what you do at quarterback. But I think you know, I've heard great things about him. I've had great experiences with him in one on one So you know, obviously.

I mean, that's one thing. The performance. Then it's like the attitude, the are we going to be here all off season? Are we all in? That's another issue? And then the numbers issue because they're gonna want to go get some players, They're gonna have to figure out how to handle the roster financially. So those three factors are going to play into what you do at quarterback. But I think you know, I've heard great things about him. I've had great experiences with him in one on one So you know, obviously.

As Jess Gott, you got a root for the guy at least J Mack.

As Jess Gott, you got a root for the guy at least J Mack.

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Okay, let's take out the first year at Josh Allen rookie years mostly don't look like Jayden Daniels. Sure, he has become a much more efficient quarterback. So is that film study? Is that growing up? Is that weapons? There is no question that today toe to toe with mahomes in a big spot. I don't think anybody is better. I trust them both. I love Josh Four years ago, red Zone, I didn't trust him. So how has he eliminated those? Is it film study or maturity? You tell me.

Okay, let's take out the first year at Josh Allen rookie years mostly don't look like Jayden Daniels. Sure, he has become a much more efficient quarterback. So is that film study? Is that growing up? Is that weapons? There is no question that today toe to toe with mahomes in a big spot. I don't think anybody is better. I trust them both. I love Josh Four years ago, red Zone, I didn't trust him. So how has he eliminated those? Is it film study or maturity? You tell me.

I think it's a little bit of both.

I think it's a little bit of both.

Maturity plays a huge factor into it. I think the reason he's been in some of those great situations this year. Let's not forget his offensive coordinator, Joe Brady's getting head coaching interviewed, you know, interviews for a reason, and opportunities for a reason. Yeah, career low and interceptions. I think he's got six. Yeah, so you eliminate the sacks. I think they're doing the best they have in his career there with eliminating sacks and least amount of sacks taken. You factor those things in and it was never a concern. Can he make the big play? We know he can do it. Does he have the armstring? Are you kidding me? He's got all those things in spades, is okay, how do we eliminate these negative plays? And that's where they've kind of cracked the code. I think, yeah, with this particular team and roster for roster, I don't know if this is the best roster he's played on right Like, he's had some better playmakers at times that he does right now. But these guys seem to gel, just like Mahomes. These guys seem to gel and they're gonna back figure exactly. So it's like they're leaning on the run game, and it's not we have to eliminate every single negative play.

Maturity plays a huge factor into it. I think the reason he's been in some of those great situations this year. Let's not forget his offensive coordinator, Joe Brady's getting head coaching interviewed, you know, interviews for a reason, and opportunities for a reason. Yeah, career low and interceptions. I think he's got six. Yeah, so you eliminate the sacks. I think they're doing the best they have in his career there with eliminating sacks and least amount of sacks taken. You factor those things in and it was never a concern. Can he make the big play? We know he can do it. Does he have the armstring? Are you kidding me? He's got all those things in spades, is okay, how do we eliminate these negative plays? And that's where they've kind of cracked the code. I think, yeah, with this particular team and roster for roster, I don't know if this is the best roster he's played on right Like, he's had some better playmakers at times that he does right now. But these guys seem to gel, just like Mahomes. These guys seem to gel and they're gonna back figure exactly. So it's like they're leaning on the run game, and it's not we have to eliminate every single negative play.

You can no longer make mistakes. Well, you can't play like that.

You can no longer make mistakes. Well, you can't play like that.

It's unrealistic and that's not fair to put a quarterback in a situation like that. So what have they done? They just cut them in half? Right, Instead of throwing twelve picks, you throw six. Awesome, I can win with that because that's about three or four more touchdowns, a few more field goals, a couple more wins, and everybody's feeling a whole lot better about everything. And that's where he finds himself. Because of the coordinator, because of the run game, because of his maturity. So many factors go into that. But it's just like lamar, right, and it's one of the hardest things and maybe one of the most unfair things in sports. But if you don't win this one, nobody's gonna care, right, Like, you gotta beat the Chiefs on the road in the playoffs. The Chiefs are three to zero against these guys in the playoffs, right, So that's it all comes down to today or this weekend.

It's unrealistic and that's not fair to put a quarterback in a situation like that. So what have they done? They just cut them in half? Right, Instead of throwing twelve picks, you throw six. Awesome, I can win with that because that's about three or four more touchdowns, a few more field goals, a couple more wins, and everybody's feeling a whole lot better about everything. And that's where he finds himself. Because of the coordinator, because of the run game, because of his maturity. So many factors go into that. But it's just like lamar, right, and it's one of the hardest things and maybe one of the most unfair things in sports. But if you don't win this one, nobody's gonna care, right, Like, you gotta beat the Chiefs on the road in the playoffs. The Chiefs are three to zero against these guys in the playoffs, right, So that's it all comes down to today or this weekend.

Excuse me, yeah, so it's I have tried to defend I always whenever my people hated the Lakers that weren't Laker fans, and whenever they'd complain and say it's the refs, I always ask two questions, how many free throws did you miss? And how many turnovers? And if the numbers like sixteen, I'm like, and you want a perfect game from the officials, right, If you miss nine free throws and have nine turnovers, I don't want to hear about the guy in the striped shirt. So I generally believe you know, I think the Texans had the worst special team's day of playoff team has ever had. You're not going to warn the game. I defend the officials. I think officiating today is hard because athletes are bigger, faster, and the cas catch every you can literally see under the pile. Now for Super Bowl, they had two cameras down, they have fifty. I mean your takeaway on the assertion Kansas City's getting breaks.

Excuse me, yeah, so it's I have tried to defend I always whenever my people hated the Lakers that weren't Laker fans, and whenever they'd complain and say it's the refs, I always ask two questions, how many free throws did you miss? And how many turnovers? And if the numbers like sixteen, I'm like, and you want a perfect game from the officials, right, If you miss nine free throws and have nine turnovers, I don't want to hear about the guy in the striped shirt. So I generally believe you know, I think the Texans had the worst special team's day of playoff team has ever had. You're not going to warn the game. I defend the officials. I think officiating today is hard because athletes are bigger, faster, and the cas catch every you can literally see under the pile. Now for Super Bowl, they had two cameras down, they have fifty. I mean your takeaway on the assertion Kansas City's getting breaks.

Can you go back and look at some of the games that they've had in pivotal moments, whether it's Super Bowls or what Oh, that should have been a hold. But I can find one hundred games from this exact season that we just experienced. Every game I called this year, there were five or six calls where you're like, Eh, I could have gone this way, or no, I probably wouldn't have called that one. That's always gonna happen. That one, the one at the end, you know. Patrick Mahomes, to his credit, called out his own flop, like I appreciated that on the sideline. This one though, if you're gonna run around here and make moves and try and make guys mess and knock it out of bounds and then at the last second kind of hit the deck, that one was like, Eh, we're pushing it a little too much because you're you're expecting a lot from the defense to be able to just immediately pause, hit the pause button and stop everything, you know, So that one was a little much me, you know, finding a way because of all the media coverage and the angles of these cameras.

Can you go back and look at some of the games that they've had in pivotal moments, whether it's Super Bowls or what Oh, that should have been a hold. But I can find one hundred games from this exact season that we just experienced. Every game I called this year, there were five or six calls where you're like, Eh, I could have gone this way, or no, I probably wouldn't have called that one. That's always gonna happen. That one, the one at the end, you know. Patrick Mahomes, to his credit, called out his own flop, like I appreciated that on the sideline. This one though, if you're gonna run around here and make moves and try and make guys mess and knock it out of bounds and then at the last second kind of hit the deck, that one was like, Eh, we're pushing it a little too much because you're you're expecting a lot from the defense to be able to just immediately pause, hit the pause button and stop everything, you know, So that one was a little much me, you know, finding a way because of all the media coverage and the angles of these cameras.

And you got to help those guys out.

And you got to help those guys out.

If you're gonna expedite stuff from New York, then you know, you got to tell them what the frame by frame says. You got to help them out. So it's uh that that one was rough. That's a tough fluff right there on this side. I said, he called it out, so I appreciate it and the way, Yes, there's more plays that decide the game than just the penalties, and there's always going to be the back and forth of he should have called that, No, he shouldn't have called that.

If you're gonna expedite stuff from New York, then you know, you got to tell them what the frame by frame says. You got to help them out. So it's uh that that one was rough. That's a tough fluff right there on this side. I said, he called it out, so I appreciate it and the way, Yes, there's more plays that decide the game than just the penalties, and there's always going to be the back and forth of he should have called that, No, he shouldn't have called that.

So your experience, you had Rex who was almost I said this when you were a jet and I was at the other place. He was almost anti offense at times.

So your experience, you had Rex who was almost I said this when you were a jet and I was at the other place. He was almost anti offense at times.

It would drive me nuts, necessary evil, right, But.

It would drive me nuts, necessary evil, right, But.

You also had various coaches. You know, Pete was a defensive guy, but you had good coordinators. What is the advantage. There's obvious stuff that a guy like me can say, give me the advantage in your career of having an offensive head coach. If there's one thing you said, you know, it is a little they do add something.

You also had various coaches. You know, Pete was a defensive guy, but you had good coordinators. What is the advantage. There's obvious stuff that a guy like me can say, give me the advantage in your career of having an offensive head coach. If there's one thing you said, you know, it is a little they do add something.

No, I think.

No, I think.

Listen, you got to be the head coach of the team no matter what, and you got to be able to reach both sides of the ball, and really all three sides of the ball, including special teams. You got to be able to talk to those guys and it has to resonate with them. You know, Dan Campbell is more of an offensive guy than a defensive guy, but he's got the whole team's attention. Andy Reid offensive guy, but he's got the whole team's attention. So whether it's an offensive or a defensive coach, you gotta be able to speak to everybody on the roster and coach all fifty three sixty plus, you know, all the guys in the offseason.

Listen, you got to be the head coach of the team no matter what, and you got to be able to reach both sides of the ball, and really all three sides of the ball, including special teams. You got to be able to talk to those guys and it has to resonate with them. You know, Dan Campbell is more of an offensive guy than a defensive guy, but he's got the whole team's attention. Andy Reid offensive guy, but he's got the whole team's attention. So whether it's an offensive or a defensive coach, you gotta be able to speak to everybody on the roster and coach all fifty three sixty plus, you know, all the guys in the offseason.

There's got to be that.

There's got to be that.

The advantage to having somebody who's an offensive guy is just obviously seeing it the same way that you do. You know, especially when they're from your same tree or you know, if you're a West Coast offense guy. The way I grew up being with somebody like coach Schottenheimer who had good experience and affiliation with offenses like that really helped me. So after my rookie year, when him and coach Steve Sarkisian sit down, my former college offensive coordinator at USC and hey, what is Mark like? Gimme, let's talk to your playbook from college's let's collaborate on some of this stuff because I need to get through to my guy, and it's tailoring his thoughts and his beliefs to what I know and I'm used to. Those things are very important. And the best ones, the ones that have success, are able to resonate with their quarterback, get him to play a collaborative brand of football, and that's it. Once you get the quarterback right. I know it sound like a broken record up here sometimes, but you get the quarterback right, a lot of things look better. Look at Josh Allen, look at all these other teams, look at Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you get that position right and you'll be just fine.

The advantage to having somebody who's an offensive guy is just obviously seeing it the same way that you do. You know, especially when they're from your same tree or you know, if you're a West Coast offense guy. The way I grew up being with somebody like coach Schottenheimer who had good experience and affiliation with offenses like that really helped me. So after my rookie year, when him and coach Steve Sarkisian sit down, my former college offensive coordinator at USC and hey, what is Mark like? Gimme, let's talk to your playbook from college's let's collaborate on some of this stuff because I need to get through to my guy, and it's tailoring his thoughts and his beliefs to what I know and I'm used to. Those things are very important. And the best ones, the ones that have success, are able to resonate with their quarterback, get him to play a collaborative brand of football, and that's it. Once you get the quarterback right. I know it sound like a broken record up here sometimes, but you get the quarterback right, a lot of things look better. Look at Josh Allen, look at all these other teams, look at Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you get that position right and you'll be just fine.

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Learn about the Eagles over the Rams. Let's just start with that kind of vague question, but like, what did you what.

Learn about the Eagles over the Rams. Let's just start with that kind of vague question, but like, what did you what.

Do we learn?

Do we learn?

Well, listen, the Eagles rushed for two hundred yards. The weather was a huge factor. I think the Rams, you know, three guys that they really lean on. Cup was kind of up and down. Puka was hurt fighting through it, you know, dropped a couple of balls uncharacteristic of him, and then Kiren Williams with some big the big fumble turnover, you know, a couple's key sacks for Stafford and on the road like that. You can't afford that many mistakes, you know. It's similar to what we're talking about with Josh Allen, like you can't beat yourself, and the Rams started to, you know, give away the ball a little bit and found themselves in a tough spot at the end. So it tells you that the Eagles are exactly who we've seen all year. That rushing attack is real.

Well, listen, the Eagles rushed for two hundred yards. The weather was a huge factor. I think the Rams, you know, three guys that they really lean on. Cup was kind of up and down. Puka was hurt fighting through it, you know, dropped a couple of balls uncharacteristic of him, and then Kiren Williams with some big the big fumble turnover, you know, a couple's key sacks for Stafford and on the road like that. You can't afford that many mistakes, you know. It's similar to what we're talking about with Josh Allen, like you can't beat yourself, and the Rams started to, you know, give away the ball a little bit and found themselves in a tough spot at the end. So it tells you that the Eagles are exactly who we've seen all year. That rushing attack is real.

You know.

You know.

That offense runs through one guy, and that's Saquon Barkley hands down, no two ways about it. That guy's gonna get here almost every game. Your only hope is to try and limit him. So in the two matchups these two teams have had this year divisional opponents, they're one on one and both games played out in a very similar fashion where it's a tight ballgame for three quarters and one team just takes off in the fourth and runs away with it. The Eagles did it the first time, and Saquon, you know, went off in that game. I think they rushed for like two hundred yards. Again, one of their seven games this season including the playoffs, to rush for two hundred yard. I mean, it's hard to lose a ballgame. He rushed for two hundred yards. Like, each control the clock, you dominate the other team emotionally, it's like embarrassing for the other team. The defense is down, So that's a big factor. But then in that second matchup, jayde and Daniels in this offense couldn't do anything all game for like three quarters, and then they score twenty two in the fourth. So this offense is scary. Cliff Kingsbury has these guys dialed in certain spots and they go off.

That offense runs through one guy, and that's Saquon Barkley hands down, no two ways about it. That guy's gonna get here almost every game. Your only hope is to try and limit him. So in the two matchups these two teams have had this year divisional opponents, they're one on one and both games played out in a very similar fashion where it's a tight ballgame for three quarters and one team just takes off in the fourth and runs away with it. The Eagles did it the first time, and Saquon, you know, went off in that game. I think they rushed for like two hundred yards. Again, one of their seven games this season including the playoffs, to rush for two hundred yard. I mean, it's hard to lose a ballgame. He rushed for two hundred yards. Like, each control the clock, you dominate the other team emotionally, it's like embarrassing for the other team. The defense is down, So that's a big factor. But then in that second matchup, jayde and Daniels in this offense couldn't do anything all game for like three quarters, and then they score twenty two in the fourth. So this offense is scary. Cliff Kingsbury has these guys dialed in certain spots and they go off.

The running game explodes.

The running game explodes.

Those guys out of the backfield, explode. Jada Daniels can just take off and run at will. So I'm just so impressed with him at this position right like he's on the road in the playoffs.

Those guys out of the backfield, explode. Jada Daniels can just take off and run at will. So I'm just so impressed with him at this position right like he's on the road in the playoffs.

I know exactly what that looks, feels and smells like.

I know exactly what that looks, feels and smells like.

And this kid, they're asking him to do a whole lot more than hand the ball.

And this kid, they're asking him to do a whole lot more than hand the ball.

Off like they asked me to do.

Off like they asked me to do.

Sure, we hit some big third downs, we hit some throws down the field, we do some touchdowns. Great, but this kid, I mean, he's all over the place and the balls in his hands in critical moments, and it's like remember that old like Staples campaign, Remember that that was easy button. Yes, feels like that guy can press that button whenever he wants, and he's just here the entire time, so consistent, so calm. His heart rate is like a resting heart rate when everybody else is just going through the roof. I mean they were on the road against the one seed in Detroit. That place is going berserk.

Sure, we hit some big third downs, we hit some throws down the field, we do some touchdowns. Great, but this kid, I mean, he's all over the place and the balls in his hands in critical moments, and it's like remember that old like Staples campaign, Remember that that was easy button. Yes, feels like that guy can press that button whenever he wants, and he's just here the entire time, so consistent, so calm. His heart rate is like a resting heart rate when everybody else is just going through the roof. I mean they were on the road against the one seed in Detroit. That place is going berserk.

We saw sam Don unravel.

We saw sam Don unravel.

I mean this kid just was unfaced and he just operates at a different speed. It's incredible to watch. So I'm fired up. It's a familiar opponent for these guys. I think the other huge factor interior offensive lineman. Sam caused me. The right guard he's down. And you're going against those two big guys in Philly in Davis and Carter. I mean I think Carter had two sacks last week, either him or Davis had two year and those guys are like, are you kidding me? So that center beadis she's gonna have a lot of work there for the commanders. And that's pressure interior immediately on your quarterback.

I mean this kid just was unfaced and he just operates at a different speed. It's incredible to watch. So I'm fired up. It's a familiar opponent for these guys. I think the other huge factor interior offensive lineman. Sam caused me. The right guard he's down. And you're going against those two big guys in Philly in Davis and Carter. I mean I think Carter had two sacks last week, either him or Davis had two year and those guys are like, are you kidding me? So that center beadis she's gonna have a lot of work there for the commanders. And that's pressure interior immediately on your quarterback.

So that's gonna be huge.

So that's gonna be huge.

Let's go to the film, Jade and Daniels. Six rookie quarterback to play. Let's see. Let me look at this up on the road, six rookie to start in a conference championship game. You were one of them, So let's look at some film.

Let's go to the film, Jade and Daniels. Six rookie quarterback to play. Let's see. Let me look at this up on the road, six rookie to start in a conference championship game. You were one of them, So let's look at some film.

Yeah, this is what I liked about their last game, and what Cliff where Cliff? I think has evolved, and I think some of that, you know, Anthony Linz, their running backs coach. I think a lot of that's a big help for him. Understanding different systems, knowing how to infour minute offense. Essentially, you have the lead at the end of the game, and you know, for us, for example, contrasting two different styles, we're just gonna hand the ball off and normally that's.

Yeah, this is what I liked about their last game, and what Cliff where Cliff? I think has evolved, and I think some of that, you know, Anthony Linz, their running backs coach. I think a lot of that's a big help for him. Understanding different systems, knowing how to infour minute offense. Essentially, you have the lead at the end of the game, and you know, for us, for example, contrasting two different styles, we're just gonna hand the ball off and normally that's.

What you do.

What you do.

Occasionally you'll take a shot, and the shot is to basically knock the team out. The Commanders did it last week and this was a huge play in the game. If he qu up the tape, they're gonna show on a third and five with about four minutes left. They're up fourteen points. Right, you're thinking, run, run, run, keep the clock. Running time is more important than points. The eleventh defender, that's the safety. He's your last line of defense. He's standing at like six yards from the ball. They all think this is a run. They're putting extra guys in the box. So what does Kingsbury do. He puts in Baits instead of Ertz to show him he doesn't want to tip it off that this is gonna be a pass. He uses motion, brings a tight end back forces communication.

Occasionally you'll take a shot, and the shot is to basically knock the team out. The Commanders did it last week and this was a huge play in the game. If he qu up the tape, they're gonna show on a third and five with about four minutes left. They're up fourteen points. Right, you're thinking, run, run, run, keep the clock. Running time is more important than points. The eleventh defender, that's the safety. He's your last line of defense. He's standing at like six yards from the ball. They all think this is a run. They're putting extra guys in the box. So what does Kingsbury do. He puts in Baits instead of Ertz to show him he doesn't want to tip it off that this is gonna be a pass. He uses motion, brings a tight end back forces communication.

Here goes the.

Here goes the.

Linebackers clapping at each other, screaming at the d line, hey, shift the front. We got to go from an over to an under. The offense just changed the strength of their formation. We need guys on this side to stop this run. And look at it how tight these guys are to the ball. They finally get their front shifted. And this is why you use shift in motion. It's not for fun. You're trying to get information and gain angles on these blocks and then show that it's gonna be a run show, low pad level run action, not just play action. And look at azelone. Azeloni guy has to go fit up on Baits right there. He doesn't think this is a pass? Are you kidding me? And you're gonna throw the ball on third and five with four minutes left. Time is more important than the points. So at that point, Angzeloney's toast the poor guy. He's going to fit up the run. And then there goes Baits behind him. He's taught to slip that linebacker and it's basically full back sale, an old West Coast play that Anthony Lynn knows and clearly Cliff Kingsbury knows, and your rookie quarterback knows how to execute that play in that situation on the road, one seed places going bananas, and this guy has the poise and maturity and accuracy to hit that ball. He might have taken the post for a touchdown next time. I'm sure Cliff coasts him up on that. I would doubt have been the ultimate knockout. But this was impressive to see a quarterback operating at that level. And then the other two clips are just more fun highlights of how this guy beats you with a run. So look at the designed run. We know what zone read is. That guy's in a bind. He doesn't know what's going on. That's essentially triple option. He could throw that ball once he leaves too. It's like the old Lamar stuff we've seen before. I broken down on the show before. And then you get free runners, not just one, but two free runners on a quarterback. This guy goes and scrambles for a first down. I mean, Brady dropped a nugget that was like absolute gold on TV. But he said something about this kid when you get free runners on him, and I don't know how they calculate this stuff. Shout out to them. But he's got like three hundred plus rushing yards. When you get a free runner on a quarterback, are you kidding me? I mean, it's that's like unfair. I wish I could do that, you know what I mean? Free runners you need an answer. You need to throw immediately. You're not thinking the quarterback's just gonna rush. So now, as a defensive coordinator, it's hard enough to get one free runner right there, they had two. I mean, your stand up all night, all week. You're not getting sleep this week. You're just trying to find ways to get free runners on this guy and hope he makes a mistake. This guy just runs away from you on your best defense you've drawn up all day. I mean, that is a tough thing to play against and prepare for. So it's the designed runs, it's the impromptu, off script runs when you're in a good position on defense that eliminate negative offensive plays. And the trust they have in this kid, it's it's incredible.

Linebackers clapping at each other, screaming at the d line, hey, shift the front. We got to go from an over to an under. The offense just changed the strength of their formation. We need guys on this side to stop this run. And look at it how tight these guys are to the ball. They finally get their front shifted. And this is why you use shift in motion. It's not for fun. You're trying to get information and gain angles on these blocks and then show that it's gonna be a run show, low pad level run action, not just play action. And look at azelone. Azeloni guy has to go fit up on Baits right there. He doesn't think this is a pass? Are you kidding me? And you're gonna throw the ball on third and five with four minutes left. Time is more important than the points. So at that point, Angzeloney's toast the poor guy. He's going to fit up the run. And then there goes Baits behind him. He's taught to slip that linebacker and it's basically full back sale, an old West Coast play that Anthony Lynn knows and clearly Cliff Kingsbury knows, and your rookie quarterback knows how to execute that play in that situation on the road, one seed places going bananas, and this guy has the poise and maturity and accuracy to hit that ball. He might have taken the post for a touchdown next time. I'm sure Cliff coasts him up on that. I would doubt have been the ultimate knockout. But this was impressive to see a quarterback operating at that level. And then the other two clips are just more fun highlights of how this guy beats you with a run. So look at the designed run. We know what zone read is. That guy's in a bind. He doesn't know what's going on. That's essentially triple option. He could throw that ball once he leaves too. It's like the old Lamar stuff we've seen before. I broken down on the show before. And then you get free runners, not just one, but two free runners on a quarterback. This guy goes and scrambles for a first down. I mean, Brady dropped a nugget that was like absolute gold on TV. But he said something about this kid when you get free runners on him, and I don't know how they calculate this stuff. Shout out to them. But he's got like three hundred plus rushing yards. When you get a free runner on a quarterback, are you kidding me? I mean, it's that's like unfair. I wish I could do that, you know what I mean? Free runners you need an answer. You need to throw immediately. You're not thinking the quarterback's just gonna rush. So now, as a defensive coordinator, it's hard enough to get one free runner right there, they had two. I mean, your stand up all night, all week. You're not getting sleep this week. You're just trying to find ways to get free runners on this guy and hope he makes a mistake. This guy just runs away from you on your best defense you've drawn up all day. I mean, that is a tough thing to play against and prepare for. So it's the designed runs, it's the impromptu, off script runs when you're in a good position on defense that eliminate negative offensive plays. And the trust they have in this kid, it's it's incredible.

Man.

Man.

I think their chances are higher than people think.

I think their chances are higher than people think.

Same here. So there's six quarterbacks story time. Let's go back into your career. Take me to you or you're one of six quarterbacks to start yours was who was the AFC Championship game again? The first year was the Colts. Okay, we're up at halftime. Okay, so let me let's start this. It's it's Thursday and you're starting on the road in the loudest dadium. We found out they were piping noise in theo WHI it's Peyton Manning and tell me were you nervous?

Same here. So there's six quarterbacks story time. Let's go back into your career. Take me to you or you're one of six quarterbacks to start yours was who was the AFC Championship game again? The first year was the Colts. Okay, we're up at halftime. Okay, so let me let's start this. It's it's Thursday and you're starting on the road in the loudest dadium. We found out they were piping noise in theo WHI it's Peyton Manning and tell me were you nervous?

What was it?

What was it?

Tell me the walk into the show?

Tell me the walk into the show?

Yeah?

Yeah?

What was it?

What was it?

Like?

Like?

It was?

It was?

I was glad we were playing indoors because it was cold and as a so call you know, rainbow sandals wearing kind of guy. Those got put away around Halloween in October. So this is a different kind of deal and played against one of the best players ever play.

I was glad we were playing indoors because it was cold and as a so call you know, rainbow sandals wearing kind of guy. Those got put away around Halloween in October. So this is a different kind of deal and played against one of the best players ever play.

The big thing you gotta.

The big thing you gotta.

Do is eliminate that try and not watch the offense when they're on offense. You got to focus on you. You can't get distracted by this other stuff. And it has to be a hyper focus and singular focus that gets you prepared for that game. I think Coach Schottenheimer we had Kevin O'Connell at the time, and those guys were so good at getting me ready to play in those crucial moments, especially in the playoffs. I think we had some of our best performances on offense. But that first game, we're up at halftime and I'm a rookie in the NFL, like, oh my god, we're going to the super Bowl, baby, like, let's keep this thing rolling. Well, we find out from Tom Moore, who was the offensive coordinator with Peyton at the time, and Tom Moore became an assistant later for the Jets and like an advisor. So I asked him about that game just randomly, and so did Rex. And Rex's in the room talking about it, and Tom Moore said, I didn't call a single play till after halftime. He said nothing in the second half. He goes, Peyton did his own stuff. Really, So apparently Peyton just started dialing up everything, ran everything, no huddle in the second half and went after it. And I mean, shoot, when you could play like that, I don't blame him for doing it. And it was just funny to hear that after the fact, and Rex was like, I knew something was different in the second I knew you guys did something. And he's, you know, we're half laughing, half like, oh man, you know, we had a chance, and so you know, we got conservative on offense. The difference with Jaydon Daniels and the way you know we attacked it, right, there's if you trust that guy to do some stuff, you might throw the ball a little more whatever.

Do is eliminate that try and not watch the offense when they're on offense. You got to focus on you. You can't get distracted by this other stuff. And it has to be a hyper focus and singular focus that gets you prepared for that game. I think Coach Schottenheimer we had Kevin O'Connell at the time, and those guys were so good at getting me ready to play in those crucial moments, especially in the playoffs. I think we had some of our best performances on offense. But that first game, we're up at halftime and I'm a rookie in the NFL, like, oh my god, we're going to the super Bowl, baby, like, let's keep this thing rolling. Well, we find out from Tom Moore, who was the offensive coordinator with Peyton at the time, and Tom Moore became an assistant later for the Jets and like an advisor. So I asked him about that game just randomly, and so did Rex. And Rex's in the room talking about it, and Tom Moore said, I didn't call a single play till after halftime. He said nothing in the second half. He goes, Peyton did his own stuff. Really, So apparently Peyton just started dialing up everything, ran everything, no huddle in the second half and went after it. And I mean, shoot, when you could play like that, I don't blame him for doing it. And it was just funny to hear that after the fact, and Rex was like, I knew something was different in the second I knew you guys did something. And he's, you know, we're half laughing, half like, oh man, you know, we had a chance, and so you know, we got conservative on offense. The difference with Jaydon Daniels and the way you know we attacked it, right, there's if you trust that guy to do some stuff, you might throw the ball a little more whatever.

So I thought it was it was an induestring approach.

So I thought it was it was an induestring approach.

And then defense his, oh my god, So I mean you're your game planning.

And then defense his, oh my god, So I mean you're your game planning.

Yeah, like the run, the.

Yeah, like the run, the.

Run, game of the run defense is like third worst in the league for Washington and they're playing against the best rushing attack, you know, but they also played against a great rushing attack last week in Detroit. But they jumped them early. When you go up fourteen, it's hard to just hand the hand the ball off, right, you got to score some points. You're chasing the other team. So they jumped them quick, shocked them in their home stadium like that was That was big so. And then the other one was was twenty ten against Roethlisberger and the Steelers. But we got down twenty one three in the first half, and that one, like we start to climb out of the hole. But you know, we're playing against Paul Malo. We're playing against I mean, Paul Malo was one of those guys you're studying during the week, and it's like, okay, I know this zone drop defender, you know this safety. It's like a three buzz. He's got hooked crow whatever, Like, Okay, I know where this is going to be. He runs to the other side of the field, plays man and a man on somebody and I'm like, dude, wait, what clip is this. I'm asking Shotty, I'm asking other guys that are like, dude, that's Troy being Troy. You can't account for that. Just have an eye on him during the game. I'm like, okay, hold on, i gotta do all this stuff I normally do and then just find Troy Paul Mollet. So that was the That was the second go round, and we didn't quite pull it out.

Run, game of the run defense is like third worst in the league for Washington and they're playing against the best rushing attack, you know, but they also played against a great rushing attack last week in Detroit. But they jumped them early. When you go up fourteen, it's hard to just hand the hand the ball off, right, you got to score some points. You're chasing the other team. So they jumped them quick, shocked them in their home stadium like that was That was big so. And then the other one was was twenty ten against Roethlisberger and the Steelers. But we got down twenty one three in the first half, and that one, like we start to climb out of the hole. But you know, we're playing against Paul Malo. We're playing against I mean, Paul Malo was one of those guys you're studying during the week, and it's like, okay, I know this zone drop defender, you know this safety. It's like a three buzz. He's got hooked crow whatever, Like, Okay, I know where this is going to be. He runs to the other side of the field, plays man and a man on somebody and I'm like, dude, wait, what clip is this. I'm asking Shotty, I'm asking other guys that are like, dude, that's Troy being Troy. You can't account for that. Just have an eye on him during the game. I'm like, okay, hold on, i gotta do all this stuff I normally do and then just find Troy Paul Mollet. So that was the That was the second go round, and we didn't quite pull it out.

Well, the one thing, well we gotta go.

Well, the one thing, well we gotta go.

That was good.

That was good.

Sorry, Storytime, Mark Sanchez, Storytime welcome on their show every time.

Sorry, Storytime, Mark Sanchez, Storytime welcome on their show every time.