Hour 3 - Decisions and QB

Published Mar 17, 2025, 8:37 PM

Colin talks to Chris Broussard about The Warriors great run this season, NBA officiating, Kevin Durant, the Knicks, and more

The Giants and the Steelers need to make a decision at quarterback soon

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Saint John's I really am, you know. One of the things I watch certain things like I watched the World Cup because you get the world's best soccer players, and I watch the NFL because it's the world's best football players. I don't think I'm getting the world's best basketball players. I think a G League team could win this tournament, the NBA Champs European. But there is something about sudden death and massive brands and great coaching that March Madness is wildly fun, wildly fun. I don't think those I don't think there's any better story than Rick Mattino. They kind of shuttle back and forth between Madison Square and their home facilities, and it's just great and it's it's New York loves its basketball and I can't wait. J Mack for the.

News, Turn on the news this is the Herdline News.

All right, Colin, let's start with your boy, Kyler Murray. Listen, we haven't talked about him a lot lately. I don't know. Arizona's been kind of quiet in free agency, but he's very excited about year seven with the Cardinals, and in a recent radio appearance, Kyler believes things are looking up for Arizona.

That's the frustrating part is I've had success.

We've had success, and it just it hasn't ended up in what we want, and that's to win the super Bowl and be in the playoffs every year and have a chance at it. You know, I've only been in the playoffs once, so uh, that in itself is disappointing to me and frustrating.

So gotta gotta.

Turn that around.

You know, I'm only getting older twenty seven, I'm still young, so we got time and I know, I know, you know, I know we're heading the right direction.

This sounds like kind of grown up, a mature man. I like what I hear. You know he likes me, so I'm very positive. Arizona is my wild card team. I said this last year. I think they're well coached. I like Kyler They've got some unbelievable offensive weapons. I never know what to make of them. I don't know what I'm getting. You put them outside northern climate like, I don't know. Yeah, I love watching Arizona play, So you're the one.

Huh?

I like Arizona play.

Yah?

You like losses disappointment.

I'm sorry, I don't know.

Maybe I'm being too negative.

I don't see it Colin at best, at best third in this division.

They're not betting the Rams.

Short of a Stafford injury, a rock Perty injury, give me the package.

I would not be shocked at all. If they were a wild card playoff team, I would not. I mean, let's be honest. San Francisco lost a lot of talent, and you don't trust Darnold. If Arizona finished a second I have, I don't doubt it at all at all.

I don't know that I trust Jonathan Gannon to produce a herdline segment.

No, God, I thought they well see anything from this guy. Yet.

I thought they played their butts off considering their personnel. I thought they played hard.

What's that one?

I don't know exactly.

I'm not buying it. Sorry, too negative. Let's move on to a positive story. Oh I love this great find by our staff. The Pistons. They took a tough loss last night to the Thunder, but look at that JB. Bickerstaff was ticked off with the officiating. Things boiled over when Cad Cunningham, who is a butting star in the NBA, was ejected for a flagrant foul that was overturned and Cunningham received two texts after cussing an official and listen a Bickerstaff go off in the post game.

Turn up the volume, folks.

We deserve a level of respect because we're competing our tails off and bringing something positive to this league.

Right.

We're growing young players. Our young players are competing their tail off. The least that they could do is get the same respect that everybody else in this league gets and get refereed the same way that everybody else in this league gets trapped. And enough is enough of it.

And what you saw tonight was disgusting.

It was a disgusting display of disrespect towards our guys and what we're trying to do.

Yeah, I will say this now, let me defend him. First of all, Detroit's an amazing story and what He's basically saying, is all these teams in the East with the big brands that have been winning for a year, say Philadelphia, Boston, Cleveland, Knicks, Detroit every game, they're not giving there a player like Kay Cunningham's a ball er. I mean he was good out of college.

Listen.

A lot of this stems from they played Okay Seeds and your boy SCA.

You're MDP who I call the free throw merchant, which.

Is ten times now. I know those Sins as a team shot thirteen free throw This is an ongoing thing. Bickerstat's not the first coach to complain about this. I'm telling you Malone's had some shots. People are saying it for a long time now.

I know that the Thunder as a team don't all shoot a lot of free thoats.

But SGA is refereed differently.

If you like James Harden.

Back in the day, they change.

The rules for Harden, member they change I watch Oklahoma City play when fowls are called against SGA, they look like fowls to me. I mean, I'm sorry, Karl Malone, James Harden. Some guys initiate. Austin Reeves is great at initiating contact. He's very good at it. Some guys are, but I but I think what Bigger staff is saying is we're the best team in the league that nobody thought would be any good, and because of that, we're not getting by a very young officiating crew. NBA officials can are kind of young. They're not giving us the whistle they're given. They're intimidated by the Boston veterans and the Knicks veterans and you know Lebron James. There are certain teams that are given the whistle with all our young officials, and they're all the betteran old teams. And we're a young team here fighting our butt off and we're not getting a whistle. It's not a terrible argument, but I think against SGA, I've heard it so many times.

I'm over you're over interesting. Well, it's gonna come up in the playoffs. But I'll just say this about the Pistons. They are a great story in the NBA. And I know Shack and company, they don't watch the Pistons. They're boring all that nonsense. I'm just telling you right now, the Pistons have more wins hill the Miami Heat. We talk about them often keep culture Pistons are way better than this year the Phoenix Suns Dallas Mavericks. We talk about that the Pistons are better than both those teams have way more wins. Well, we need to put some respect on Kate Cunningham and mister Bickerstaff's seams. They are good and currently as the sixth seed, they would face my Nicks the three they're not. That is not a cakewalk for New York. I'm keeping it real with you, not a cakewalk. Nick will win the series, but it will not be easy. Detroit's legit, Colin, I'm not banging on them. I thought Kay Cunningham, I mean he was a good scorer in college.

It was great, I'll admit I was.

I thought Jalen Green would be a better pro then Kane cunning In and Kane Blackton this year by far still good.

Good, but well Caid came into the league. The problem, not the problem, but the reality of the NBA. These guys come in young. They don't really develop emotional and iq EQ in the NBA know how to play the game and manipulate officials until like year three or four. And he was hurt. But I mean Caid's been Cad was wasn't even like top three or four pair me. He was a great number one. He had number one pick, so I mean he was alway. He wasn't great in college. But when you NFL guys coming too the league, they're twenty three years old. So a lot of these NBA players they just need three years. I mean, they played thirty five games of college. Don't they play one hundred NBA game.

They're just not ready for you.

The final story is Major League Baseball.

Shoho Tani and the defending champion Dodgers are set to take on the Cubs in the Tokyo Series tomorrow at six am Eastern on Fox, So that's three am Pacific. I'm sure, coward, you will be waking up for that. Glor your boy, yamamotos. Some of us, some of us are pivoting board baseball this year as opposed to what Well, you're just out there all NFL talk.

Keep your on baseball. It's a growth industry.

They have a lot of Cubs in white sox.

I got.

I'm excited to watch these games. I can't wait. I have a friend, the skuy I had nine people going to these games.

A gentleman named Shota Imonga will pitch for Chicago.

A butchered his name badly. I'm embarrassed to say that.

Show hey leadoff hitter, five Japanese.

Stars in this one. Leani, of course it's gonna be great.

Mookie Betts has been we'll miss both games due to an illness. I'm if you couldn't tell, I'm a little under the weather now, coach my kids in sports all weekend and I'm battling it, but I'm powering through. Mookie Bets said, I need to sit out this baseball.

Well, yeah, I don't know what the Mooky Bets thing is. Do they know what the Mookie Bets injury is?

Or that's an illness?

Yeah, I read that. Nobody knows quite what it is.

It's like porzingis, Remember he missed like six games illness.

You know what I think it is. It's that stomach virus thing.

You know what, show up, give it, you're all. That's what I'm here doing. I could have called in sick today. I barely have a voice, you know, hopped up on Mike whel I am right now in the day.

Have we spent a little more time doing the homework and not being pat riley on the sidelines for twelve year olds.

Hey, we did win the championship, both boys and girls.

I think America celebrated j Meck with the news.

Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio apps.

We had tom Izzo on earlier. And I like Michigan State. I just think if they got behind in games, I don't know if they can play catch up. They don't shoot the three. And I asked them all thirty years coach of Michigan State, what wins in the tournament.

You could run all the best offense. If the final shot doesn't go in, it hurts. But I think what translates defense carries just like it does in all other sports, whether it's hockey, baseball, basketball, or football. We've been pretty solid. That's why I think we that a pretty good run.

But you know, getting to the free throw.

Line I think matters and making shots because in the in the tournament, you get down to the nitty gritty and people are following you.

So you got to be able to make free throws.

Which we can do.

Yeah, it's gonna be a defensive tournament. Very few teams can light it up in college basketball. You know. Rick Beatino has said this about the nil and I think this is a great life lesson complain all you want or adapt. You're gonna adapt to the you know the love stuff. There's stuff that happens in my industry I don't love. But I got to sit and watch TikTok. I mean, there's just too much information on it and is almost talking about the ever changing landscape of college basketball, like Jay.

Wright, like Nick Saban. You know, those guys are friends of mine. They decided to go another way. I'm too dumb and stubborn to do it. I guess I just I just figured that I got to get back to the basics. Last year, I was on all kinds of committees.

I worried about it. This year, I kind of stuck the coach in my team and I've been lucky.

Yeah, well they play defense and they they score points, but it's not necessarily pretty.

And with that we go this.

This the next three four weeks of basketball pro in college is really good. Bruce joining us Chris Bruce are live from New York, First Show, so we got into this thing. So coach Bickerstaff was furious about the way his team was being the game was being officiated, and I said, this is that the NBA has got a lot of young officials. Okay, they've got a crop of young officials, and those young officials are giving you know, there's a knock on it that they're giving a lot of the veteran stars the whistle. And Detroit's not established as a winning team. So I can bicker Staff's basically saying, we don't we don't get the respect whistle at all in this league. Does he have a little bit of a point when his biggest star is Kate Cunningham and they're playing the Brunsons and the Tatums and the Browns and and.

Your take on that, No, you're absolutely right, and he's right, and they aren't getting that respect. The officials are human, and we've that's been the case throughout the decades of the NBA, and we've always seen the superstars get calls and teams that establish their identity as physical defensive teams.

They get a little leniency as well.

We used to see it with the old Detroit Pistons, both groups that won championships, Chauncey Billups group, Isaiah Thomas group, the bad Boys. You see it with OKC over the past few years. They've established themselves as a physical, defensive team, so they get a little leniency there.

And Detroit this is the first year they're doing that.

And so now as they if they continue to rob and be a good team and Kay becomes a star and this is how they play, they'll start to get that benefit as well.

Yeah, I will tell you it's there is something to be said about there's the dog days of the NBA and then you're seeing certain guys you know, they take a little rest break. But it's interesting. The hottest team in the league now is Minnesota. So now here comes Ant the rotations down Julius Randall. Should we buy him? We know the coaching's good, we know they can defend, we know Ant. What do you make of like in all of a sudden, Oh, Golden State and Minnesota are really hot.

Yeah.

Look, I think I said a week ago on here that my top three teams in the West were Okay, see the Lakers in Denver as far as coming out, I'm now liking Golden State better than Denver, but I still think Denver's gone, you know, be a force to be reckoned with. And I'll throw Minnesota right there after those teams. And Denver certainly doesn't want to see Minnesota. We know Minnesota beat them last year. Minnesota's athleticism and length on the perimeter, Jade McDaniels, you know Nikill, Alexander Walker, obviously Anthony Edwards. They've got long perimeter defenders that can bother you. Now they figured out how we're gonna use Julius Randall. He's gotten more comfortable, so now he's more efficient than he was earlier in the year and is accepted his role. Where he's at. It's Anthony Edwards team. So yeah, they are playing well at the right time. Like you said, we know they've got good coaching and on the perimeter, after you get by those long rangey defenders, oh now you have to deal with Rudy Gobert at the rim, not to mention nas Reed flying in here and there and doing some stuff defensively, So that's where their bread is buttered on the defensive end, and then offensively they have the dynamic player in Edwards who can create against any defense.

So it is I want to talk about the Warriors here because I said one of the reasons I think Butler has worked is that despite the fact that the Warriors have been fun and flashy, they got a lot of guys who have had tough upbringings been ignored. I mean, even Steve Kerr had the tragedy in his family. He was a fighter with Michael Jordan, I covered him. He's a tough guy. Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green's second round Steph Curry had to go to Davidson. People didn't know if they were going to keep him or Monteellis. Is that there's a toughness and a resilience and a fight to Golden State. Now we all know that Jimmy Butler's background, he's a fighter. But that's why I think KD ultimately didn't really fit the culture and Butler does, because that the Warriors have this sort of heisty feistiness to them and Butler's a perfect fit. But is he a better fit? I mean, is this a regular season thing? Or do you take the Warriors seriously? Right now? It sounds like you do going forward.

Yeah, yeah, I do take him seriously because, like you, Butler, and it's interesting you said, is this a regular season thing? We haven't even seen playoff Jimmy yet. And he does get better in the playoffs. He's done it essentially every year of his career since he's become a star level player. So he's gonna get better. And I think he fits perfectly with Draymond, because you're right. I mean, Steph was obviously doubted. He came from Davidson, Kerr was Kerr was in a fight with Michael Jordan. I don't know what he was new as a tough guy, but you know, I get what you're saying. He had to overcome obstacles as well. But Draymond has kind of been the hub of that team as far as he gives them the toughness that they have. And now you've got a second guy in Butler who's just as tough as Raymond. And so now you got two guys who are pretty tough. They're obviously not a big team, but heck, there's not even tall. Teams in the NBA aren't incredibly physical anymore, and so I think they're tough enough. And yeah, I think they're going to be a tough out. I give them a shot. I like the Lakers in the West. I've said that Oka See, I just think is young. Ok See, Golden State would be a tremendous series for me to watch because I would want to see could Golden State, with their experience, overcome the youthful energy and skill and defense that the thunder play with. But yeah, I'm giving Golden State a chance in the West.

So, Josh Hart and Tibbs had a moment over the weekend where you saw them battle back and forth. Now it's one Phoenix where bootenholez er nos Kadie's gone, but Tims is battling with a crucial part of that team. Josh Hart, what did you make of that?

Well, look, I think I said it on this show, Colin.

The Knicks if they go out like we all expect them to, let's face it, in the second round, maybe even the first round, but in the second round, and aren't incredibly competitive with Cleveland, who or I should say Boston is probably who they could end up matching up with, then I think they need to make a coaching change, not because Tims isn't great and hasn't done a very good job, but they need a new voice.

The talent is.

There, Rick Jalen, Brunson, Starr, Karl Anthony, Towns star, Josh hart, og Ananobia, several other guys really solid role players, and Tims has gotten a lot out of them.

But we see this in the league.

Obviously Steve Kerr took that Golden State eight team to another level, but we're seeing it now.

JB.

Bickerstaff is clearly a good coach, did a great job in Cleveland.

Now he's doing a great job in Detroit. But Cleveland just fired.

Him because they needed a new voice. And now Kenny Atkinson is tremendous with Cleveland and probably will be Coach of the Year.

And so I just think if they go out early, they're going to need a.

New voice to get to the next level where they can compete with Boston and Cleveland to try to win the East.

I'm gonna let you go yet, you have a horse voice. You're gonna save it for your show. Do you fill it up? Bracket? I got Auburn winning a Natty. J Mack will tell us tomorrow who I have Auburn and Tennessee meeting. I think the SEC stack. Do you have a team you like in the tournament?

By the way, I like Duke, assuming Cooper Flag can be Cooper Flag. Maybe they could sit him out obviously for the first game, maybe even the second game. But if he can become, you know, get back to playing one hundred percent.

Then I like Duke.

A lot of people like Florida, which certainly has a chance, but I'm gonna go with Duke.

Yeah, that wouldn't be bad fun to watch. Olds. Hey, great seeing your brute get healthy, get healthy?

By all right, all right, thanks.

I know I'm in the minority. Everybody loves Duke. I just you can't watch the SEC this year and not have a couple of SEC teams in the tournament in the final four. You can't. They were so much better than everybody else.

Listen, it's a long basketball season, you see.

We're late in the year now, and I'm the little dinged up Broussard hurting lebron missing a week.

How are you the oldest of that quartet just plowing through.

Because my daughter's sick too. Because I sat home all weekend doing homework and watching games and taking notes.

You weren't throwing plates around at the gym.

Well, I do that too. I use that stuff on my hands like NonStop. There's a lot of people out there set I know.

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Dodgers Cubs coming up. So it's the tournament. We get all fired up about it. It's two or three things we know. If Rick Patino gets to the final four, that'll be great for ratings. Duke has three NBA players. A lot of people like Duke. Florida's the hottest team. The SEC was overwhelmingly the best conference. After that, you cross your fingers. Suddenly everybody today is taking Uce San Diego to beat Michigan, and nobody's watched them play. I got my bracket filled out mostly Chalk, a lot of favorites. Arizona's my dark horse. Haven't played particularly well, but they've got a seven photo that's playing well. They got Caleb Love, really good, good coach, all sorts of athleticism. I watched them play Houston, four seed. That's my dark horse. I think they're gonna win several games. I was talking to Is earlier about you know, I mean, coaching is so big in college basketball because there's few transcendent players. Zach Edy last year was like, You're impossible to stop, guy, but there's not many of them. And I asked him if he ever steals stuff from other coaches.

I'm so dumb. I not only steal it, but I name it after the team I steal it from.

So if I got a Zags player, if I got a seventy six Ers player, a Lakers play, it's because I stole it from them. So my plays are named after a lot of people, are a lot of teams, which means I'm stealing a lot.

Yeah.

Now, Michigan State's classic of what this tournament is filled with well coached, really excellent defensive teams. Michigan State, Saint John's, Houston, not a lot of great offensive skill. I was saying this sort of er when you watch Ohio State win the Natty or Michigan last year Georgia year before, when you watched LSU BAM in their prime, you can see the NFL. There's no question about it. You can see the NFL. When you watch college basketball. Yucon's team last year, you could see the NBA most of the time. It's a different sport. It's a lot of defense, a lot of coaching. They slow it down if they get to eighty points. It's generated a lot of the inertias created by the defense. But these teams don't shoot particularly well. The one conference where that's not true. I thought, you know, Tennessee can really shoot. I think SEC teams feel like so much better than everybody else in the country. So I don't think the Big Ten is going to have a ton of success. I think the SEC is going to finish. I think Tennessee, Florida, Auburn. Who knows about Bama and people are kind of cool on Bama right now. But if we're not watching college basketball as much for the skill as we're watching it for the community of it, and I think it's absolutely fantastic. Matt Castlebeck stopped by earlier. We asked him. The Vikings, the Giants, and the Steelers all want Aaron Rodgers, and I asked Matt Hasselbeck, when you're an older quarterback, what matters?

That's like, that's your biggest nightmare is like going to a team that's absolutely irrelevant basically what he experienced last year. So to me, I think being on a team that has a chance to be in the playoff hunt can tend for a super Bowl. I think that's a huge thing. And I'll just to say this as a veteran quarterback who switched teams late in my career, the last thing you want.

To do is learn a new playbook, like a new language.

If he goes to some other team or some coach that the language.

Is not that language where he's getting in there like a like a freshman in college trying to like memorize a brand new thing.

Man.

At some point you're like, I think I might be too old for this.

Yeah, So I still contend the New York Giants have a shot. They've offered the most money. There's a story today that Minnesota has cooled on it. Do you have a favorite in the clubhouse on this? Minnesota is the best fit Giants to me, second Steelers, third Giants have offered the most I think yeah, let me throw this at you. There was a source told me that the Giants said Aaron were interested, but we may bring in Joe Flacco too, That the Giants just want veteran quarterbacks. They may draft somebody in the second or third round or wherever their picks are.

But that I have a hard time believing Brian Dable in a winner You're Gone year, is going to stake his time with the Giants to Aaron Freakin' Rodgers.

Well what else is there? There's nothing else out there?

I would go Russell Wilson, all right, I mean I don't think there's higher upside with either of them. Well, I don't need the drama on top of stinking.

Right well that you're going to get drama with Aaron. Now with Russ, Well you're gonna get drama with Russ.

If there wasn't any drama in Pittsburgh with it.

Well, they got so bad at the end of the year.

How about with the Jets two years of NonStop.

Well yeah, yeah, I'm not denying that.

How at the end with far with Rogers in Green Bay, constant, like it's always something.

Do you need that headache? You don't even like dealing with headaches?

Do you no? I I just I don't you know? No, But I think I think I've always liked Russ, But I've watched Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, and Tomlin move off him. So what am I supposed to think there's something there that people just move off?

H Yeah?

What about Carson Wentz? Is he still on the market or somebody grab him like carcass.

I yeah, I don't think. Listen, I think teams like the Jets and the Giants. I don't think there is a good answer.

Is easy.

You put yourself in this spot. That's why I'm really interested. I hear all this talk about Shadeur Sanders dropping in the first round. I'm like, if you're the New York Giants and he's available with the third pick, don't you have to take him? What are your options? I mean, what do I mean? Remember when Arizona took Josh Rosen and a year later took Kyler Murray. Like if you take Shador Sanders and you're like, I think he can plan the NFL, and you're like, yeah, I mean by the second year, you know you you by Thanksgiving? You make a decision in the building. This isn't gonna work.

We need to remind people Zach Wilson went second overall Trey Lance.

They traded up to get him in the top three, and people are like, oh, you can't touch Shaduer at two. I didn't.

None of it makes sense. Zach Wilson was never considered like a topic. I just got excited because he's with the Jets. I'm like, all right, whatever, Shaduur, there's reason to be excited. There's a lot of good stuff.

No, he's he is.

How would you rank the prospects Trey Lance, Zach Wilson in Shoud or Sanders.

Well, Shaduur has more games against big teams where he was productive, so should now it's easy in hindsight. But we didn't have many games with Trey Lance.

Free Lance like missed like two seasons.

Yeah, we did.

And Zach Wilson I was never a fan of because it was the COVID stuff, and I saw him play Utah and not play well in Washington. So against the good teams he didn't play well. So to me, Schaudure is really productive with a bad old line and no run game. So I don't buy into this Shauduur. It's weird. So I watch mock drafts. It is remarkable to me how many people who do what we do for a living, in fact often just cover the NFL have Shaduur mid first.

So listen, as a guy who ran a website and did a lot of mock drafts, you want to see a way to stand out. Don't put Shador in the top five or top ten. People will be like what and they have to click to see what what is this all about? So then you get the click from people because every other mock draft has him like top five, So I got to be different and put them twenty first or whatever.

That's the only logical explanation.

There is no way. And again it's a weak draft left. I mean Carter for Penn States having a surgery. Travis Hunter wants to play both ways. So even the guys that are unquestionably gifted come with something. I gotta play Travis on both sides. Carter's having surgery. Those are the guys we love.

Yeah.

Now, Ashton Gent, we you and I were scottling the Cowboys taking him twelve.

Now it's like bears it in the top.

Now, No, Gent's the best running back. I My only question is in a running back filled class, can I get eighty five percent of them in the third round?

No?

I do think gent will be the genty and the kid from Carolina are the best two backs there. Then there's a little bit of a drop off. My take is gonna get Woody marks of USC mid third and I get eighty five percent of genty. I think that's possible, but yeah, we'll see it's I I just when I see Chador dropping, I'm like the New York Giants if they get shade or chances are and they're not drafting in the top five for a long time, I don't know. I mean, and also neighbors good left tackle.

Offensive coach Table can make a case, Hey, I got a rookie quarterback.

He showed some promise. You got to give you more time and then him and the GM get extended.

Yeah, if I'm a Giant, I take Shador. I just roll the dice. It's the most important position. We'll see you tomorrow on Tuesday. Be safe, Live in La The Herd

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