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Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to noone Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sportsradio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Here we go our number three flying box on a Memorial Day Monday. It's the Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening. My buddy Chris Brusard back from the Indy five hundred.

I watched the Indy.

I watched the Indy.

Five hundred yesterday, first time I think it was ever a Spaniard had won the Indy five hundred. I'm gonna tell the pitch stops and the eighty five hundred. Fox did a great job, so it's sold out for the first time in years. The sports had some controversy the camera placement by Fox, and it's the first time I've ever sat and watched like ninety percent of the Indie five hundred.

Five hundred yesterday, first time I think it was ever a Spaniard had won the Indy five hundred. I'm gonna tell the pitch stops and the eighty five hundred. Fox did a great job, so it's sold out for the first time in years. The sports had some controversy the camera placement by Fox, and it's the first time I've ever sat and watched like ninety percent of the Indie five hundred.

I mean, I'd probably have earlier in my life.

I mean, I'd probably have earlier in my life.

I don't know a lot of the current drivers very international, but the camera placement by Fox. If you have any doubt when they put that little lipstick camera just not on the infield, but just on the interior of the track and those cars are flying around, it is intense.

I don't know a lot of the current drivers very international, but the camera placement by Fox. If you have any doubt when they put that little lipstick camera just not on the infield, but just on the interior of the track and those cars are flying around, it is intense.

Did you watch any of it?

Did you watch any of it?

I was at my daughter's volleyball tournament in Anaheim's.

I was at my daughter's volleyball tournament in Anaheim's.

I got to brush up on my Indy five hundred knowledge we may take our show there.

I got to brush up on my Indy five hundred knowledge we may take our show there.

Now may did we tad get a lipstick camera on you? During the commercial breaks? I've been pushing this for like over a year now.

Now may did we tad get a lipstick camera on you? During the commercial breaks? I've been pushing this for like over a year now.

I move slow, not nearly as dynamic as the Indy five hundred. By the way, the Knicks took a riveting game three. The Knicks took it over the Pacers in Indy thanks to an incredible comeback in the fourth quarter. And last night in Indiana really became a what kind of man are you?

I move slow, not nearly as dynamic as the Indy five hundred. By the way, the Knicks took a riveting game three. The Knicks took it over the Pacers in Indy thanks to an incredible comeback in the fourth quarter. And last night in Indiana really became a what kind of man are you?

Type of game for New York. Two things happened.

Type of game for New York. Two things happened.

Number one, Karl Anthony town said, I'll show you what kind of man I am. I'm going to single handedly take over the fourth quarter. Listen the dude he has quarters like this. He averages twenty three a game in his career when he was in his prime, Karl Anthony Towns always ended up near the top of those GM surveys they do. Who would just start a franchise with He doesn't play any defense, He's a little quirky, but he can dominate games. I've been to three or four games where he was playing, and he was the best player on the floor at some point in all those games. So, and the second thing that happened, and this does not happen very often for the Pacers, they lost their way offensively. So Haliburton end of the third quarter, beginning of the fourth, So in the third beginning of the fourth, about four and a half minutes he was on the bench. In that time, a fifteen point lead evaporated to four. And then he comes back in and they just never quite felt the same again Indiana. It's hard to get them off their offensive game. But even when the Knicks were down four, three, two points, it felt like they were in control.

Number one, Karl Anthony town said, I'll show you what kind of man I am. I'm going to single handedly take over the fourth quarter. Listen the dude he has quarters like this. He averages twenty three a game in his career when he was in his prime, Karl Anthony Towns always ended up near the top of those GM surveys they do. Who would just start a franchise with He doesn't play any defense, He's a little quirky, but he can dominate games. I've been to three or four games where he was playing, and he was the best player on the floor at some point in all those games. So, and the second thing that happened, and this does not happen very often for the Pacers, they lost their way offensively. So Haliburton end of the third quarter, beginning of the fourth, So in the third beginning of the fourth, about four and a half minutes he was on the bench. In that time, a fifteen point lead evaporated to four. And then he comes back in and they just never quite felt the same again Indiana. It's hard to get them off their offensive game. But even when the Knicks were down four, three, two points, it felt like they were in control.

So the Pacers are a rhythm.

So the Pacers are a rhythm.

Team and that they have the fastest pace in the league, and they get out of their rhythm and all of a sudden you had Nie Smith and other guys McConnell trying to run the offense. Is like bro, that's not it this is Aliburton's offense. They lost their quarterback. They only shot thirty six percent in the second half at home and shot forty two percent. That's the worst half of basketball for the Pacers. And just to give you in the playoffs, to give you another example, it flashed on the screen. At one point in the first half, they had fourteen fast break points. They were running the Knicks out of the arena. In the second half total two fast break points. Haliburton sits, they lose their rhythm. He comes back in, tries to kick start it, and he never could. And what did we talk about last week? Whoever controls the tempo is going to win the games and or the series. And the Knicks compressed it, slowed it down. And also, and this matters, the Knicks hit their last fifteen free throws. I know that's not a glamorous headline, but remember Game one, the Knicks had control and they were missing free throws opened the door.

Team and that they have the fastest pace in the league, and they get out of their rhythm and all of a sudden you had Nie Smith and other guys McConnell trying to run the offense. Is like bro, that's not it this is Aliburton's offense. They lost their quarterback. They only shot thirty six percent in the second half at home and shot forty two percent. That's the worst half of basketball for the Pacers. And just to give you in the playoffs, to give you another example, it flashed on the screen. At one point in the first half, they had fourteen fast break points. They were running the Knicks out of the arena. In the second half total two fast break points. Haliburton sits, they lose their rhythm. He comes back in, tries to kick start it, and he never could. And what did we talk about last week? Whoever controls the tempo is going to win the games and or the series. And the Knicks compressed it, slowed it down. And also, and this matters, the Knicks hit their last fifteen free throws. I know that's not a glamorous headline, but remember Game one, the Knicks had control and they were missing free throws opened the door.

This was the opposite.

This was the opposite.

They were controlling tempo in Game one, they lost tempo, miss free throws. Here late, they controlled tempo, hit free throws, and so they were a better roaded team than they were a home team. The road team has won every game in this series. So the Knicks slowed it down, hit the freebies, and I thought their defensive rotations were much better, especially when you had once Haliburton sat down for that stretch.

They were controlling tempo in Game one, they lost tempo, miss free throws. Here late, they controlled tempo, hit free throws, and so they were a better roaded team than they were a home team. The road team has won every game in this series. So the Knicks slowed it down, hit the freebies, and I thought their defensive rotations were much better, especially when you had once Haliburton sat down for that stretch.

And you see this in football all the time.

And you see this in football all the time.

You have momentum, you have a bad series, you have a fumble, there's a turnover, and you can never find the momentum again.

You have momentum, you have a bad series, you have a fumble, there's a turnover, and you can never find the momentum again.

It's hard.

It's hard.

Momentum matters, and especially matters in playoff games. So we have ourselves a series. The Knicks blue. Game one, it kind of felt like they stall. Game three, Indiana felt like the better team in game two. We've got a series, and here's tidsoff basketball.

Momentum matters, and especially matters in playoff games. So we have ourselves a series. The Knicks blue. Game one, it kind of felt like they stall. Game three, Indiana felt like the better team in game two. We've got a series, and here's tidsoff basketball.

I know you guys like roll your eyes when they say no lead is safe. But no lead is safe because I think with the three point shot, people make up ground quickly. Pace the game, make up ground quickly. You see comebacks all the time, and if you let up just a little bit, that's that's what happens.

I know you guys like roll your eyes when they say no lead is safe. But no lead is safe because I think with the three point shot, people make up ground quickly. Pace the game, make up ground quickly. You see comebacks all the time, and if you let up just a little bit, that's that's what happens.

Okay, So this is a story you may be wondering. I don't think it's gonna make a big deal either way. But Aaron Rodgers, according to Jeremy Fowler, there are people in the NFL, and Jeremy Fowler works at ESPN, very good reporter. He is saying, there are people in the NFL, many that believe Aaron Rodgers is waiting on Minnesota. I don't know that to be true, but I will say this, Aaron loves to make people think he's a mystery and the media can't figure him out. And he does that because it invalidates us, and we're the one group of people he can't control. He's worshiped by football people, he's loved by teammates, the one group he can't control us, and so he wants to invalidate us. And he's not JD. Salinger. It's not that mysterious. The Steelers are a shaky fit and Aaron knows it. He doesn't want to offend Mike Tomlin. It may be if he wants to play his best spot. But they can't figure out offense. I've done over this a million times. They're toned def to offense. They just they I think they're now making moves just to make moves. Let's just move off George Pickens and let's get a pick, and let's overspend for DK Metcalf and they're just making moves to make moves. So there are reports and I don't care about his personal life. That Aaron's personal life, he's going through some turbulence. You wish him well. I don't want to get into any speculation there, but I just think Aaron is too smart to think the Steelers are a good fit. The O line's been a wreck for years. The oh coordinator position, they've run through him. They lost Naugie Harris, their left tackle. And by the way, it does matter. He went from Green Bay, which has always had an offensive culture. They always get quarterback right, they always have offensive coaches, they always have good offensive lines. Green Bay does offense right, and they've been doing it right for thirty years. Pittsburgh does defense right. And the only two times they've done offense right they had Terry Bradshaw and Big Ben and in between that, they're not the same franchise. They win games, they don't win big games, and that's what Pittsburgh's going through right now. They've been a bottom ten total offense six years in a row, and that's hard to do when you look at the two New York franchisees, and Carolina's a bad offense in this League and the Bears. So the Vikings makes a ton of sense. Great brilliant offensive head coach and play caller. They play indoors. He knows the division they have justin Jefferson. They upgraded their offensive line in the offseason. There's also a story that's interesting. So Aaron was apparently on some podcast and said, when asked about the Saints, because we don't know exactly what the Saints are doing, is it going to be is Spencer Rattler?

Okay, So this is a story you may be wondering. I don't think it's gonna make a big deal either way. But Aaron Rodgers, according to Jeremy Fowler, there are people in the NFL, and Jeremy Fowler works at ESPN, very good reporter. He is saying, there are people in the NFL, many that believe Aaron Rodgers is waiting on Minnesota. I don't know that to be true, but I will say this, Aaron loves to make people think he's a mystery and the media can't figure him out. And he does that because it invalidates us, and we're the one group of people he can't control. He's worshiped by football people, he's loved by teammates, the one group he can't control us, and so he wants to invalidate us. And he's not JD. Salinger. It's not that mysterious. The Steelers are a shaky fit and Aaron knows it. He doesn't want to offend Mike Tomlin. It may be if he wants to play his best spot. But they can't figure out offense. I've done over this a million times. They're toned def to offense. They just they I think they're now making moves just to make moves. Let's just move off George Pickens and let's get a pick, and let's overspend for DK Metcalf and they're just making moves to make moves. So there are reports and I don't care about his personal life. That Aaron's personal life, he's going through some turbulence. You wish him well. I don't want to get into any speculation there, but I just think Aaron is too smart to think the Steelers are a good fit. The O line's been a wreck for years. The oh coordinator position, they've run through him. They lost Naugie Harris, their left tackle. And by the way, it does matter. He went from Green Bay, which has always had an offensive culture. They always get quarterback right, they always have offensive coaches, they always have good offensive lines. Green Bay does offense right, and they've been doing it right for thirty years. Pittsburgh does defense right. And the only two times they've done offense right they had Terry Bradshaw and Big Ben and in between that, they're not the same franchise. They win games, they don't win big games, and that's what Pittsburgh's going through right now. They've been a bottom ten total offense six years in a row, and that's hard to do when you look at the two New York franchisees, and Carolina's a bad offense in this League and the Bears. So the Vikings makes a ton of sense. Great brilliant offensive head coach and play caller. They play indoors. He knows the division they have justin Jefferson. They upgraded their offensive line in the offseason. There's also a story that's interesting. So Aaron was apparently on some podcast and said, when asked about the Saints, because we don't know exactly what the Saints are doing, is it going to be is Spencer Rattler?

You know?

You know?

And Aaron Rodgers was quoted saying, yeah, I'm too old. I don't want to live in Louisiana. Sorry. So what that means is where Aaron plays matters to Aaron, he is thinking about it. He doesn't want to live in New Orleans. So that's another reason indoors knows the division NFC.

And Aaron Rodgers was quoted saying, yeah, I'm too old. I don't want to live in Louisiana. Sorry. So what that means is where Aaron plays matters to Aaron, he is thinking about it. He doesn't want to live in New Orleans. So that's another reason indoors knows the division NFC.

He moved over to a defensive.

He moved over to a defensive.

Culture plan out doors in the Northeast with the Jets and it was a mess. Aaron doesn't want to do that again. And Jeff Pearlman came on last week. He wrote a book about Brett Farv, and Aaron was all through the book and Farv didn't treat Aarin very well. And I grew to kind of respect what Aaron had to go through. But he made a point about where Aaron's played, and the fit is really crucial when you consider Aaron's personality.

Culture plan out doors in the Northeast with the Jets and it was a mess. Aaron doesn't want to do that again. And Jeff Pearlman came on last week. He wrote a book about Brett Farv, and Aaron was all through the book and Farv didn't treat Aarin very well. And I grew to kind of respect what Aaron had to go through. But he made a point about where Aaron's played, and the fit is really crucial when you consider Aaron's personality.

They just think over time, especially being in a small Midwestern town surrounded by the Midwestern quaintness of Green Bay. I think Aaron Rodgers really started to believe I'm the smartest guy in the room. I know everything. I am very intelligent.

They just think over time, especially being in a small Midwestern town surrounded by the Midwestern quaintness of Green Bay. I think Aaron Rodgers really started to believe I'm the smartest guy in the room. I know everything. I am very intelligent.

I know more than the coaches, I know more than my teammates, I know more than this fan base. And again, if you can contain that in Green Bay, Wisconsin, it's one thing you're treated as a guy, but once you go national, once you go to a different franchise, it doesn't really play out that well.

I know more than the coaches, I know more than my teammates, I know more than this fan base. And again, if you can contain that in Green Bay, Wisconsin, it's one thing you're treated as a guy, but once you go national, once you go to a different franchise, it doesn't really play out that well.

All right.

All right.

Caitlin Clark has also reported earlier today is going to be out for what was it?

Caitlin Clark has also reported earlier today is going to be out for what was it?

J Mack? Was it two weeks?

J Mack? Was it two weeks?

They're calling it two weeks? With a quad strain.

They're calling it two weeks? With a quad strain.

That was not visible during the telecast of the game.

That was not visible during the telecast of the game.

Yeah, listen, hey, we'll see what's going on.

Yeah, listen, hey, we'll see what's going on.

We'll see if she shows up at Pacers Knicks tomorrow, maybe heavily bandaged, maybe with a heating pad to watch the game.

We'll see if she shows up at Pacers Knicks tomorrow, maybe heavily bandaged, maybe with a heating pad to watch the game.

Obviously, that's a.

Obviously, that's a.

Huge one, you know for Pacers and Nixon. Kitlin Clark's been in a lot of the games, you know, friendly with the with the team.

Huge one, you know for Pacers and Nixon. Kitlin Clark's been in a lot of the games, you know, friendly with the with the team.

I was sitting last night with a couple of guys that go to college. They're sports fans that are in college, and we were just talking about a bunch of stuff and one of them loved the UFC. One of them was a huge hockey fan. And one of them was in a frat a Big ten school. He was in a frat and we got into this conversation about Caitlin Clark and some people in the room were sports fans, some were not.

I was sitting last night with a couple of guys that go to college. They're sports fans that are in college, and we were just talking about a bunch of stuff and one of them loved the UFC. One of them was a huge hockey fan. And one of them was in a frat a Big ten school. He was in a frat and we got into this conversation about Caitlin Clark and some people in the room were sports fans, some were not.

Most at least the young boys were.

Most at least the young boys were.

And he said, he said, in my frat, he said, literally, if Caitlin Clark was playing, that's what all the guys wanted to watch the frat. Now, I mean, what does that tell you for twenty three year old guys. They like their gambling, they like their football, they like their UFC. He said, no question. If Kaylin was on and there were choices, that's what people wanted to watch. And I think that's the Taylor Swift effect. Like people that you would not see fifty five year old, sixty year old women wouldn't normally go to watch a young pop star, and then they go. I remember when Shania Twain was getting people that didn't like country music too country music concerts, and I think that's what Taylor Swift is doing. She is getting people that just traditionally don't watch that league. They may be casual basketball fans, but the phenomena.

And he said, he said, in my frat, he said, literally, if Caitlin Clark was playing, that's what all the guys wanted to watch the frat. Now, I mean, what does that tell you for twenty three year old guys. They like their gambling, they like their football, they like their UFC. He said, no question. If Kaylin was on and there were choices, that's what people wanted to watch. And I think that's the Taylor Swift effect. Like people that you would not see fifty five year old, sixty year old women wouldn't normally go to watch a young pop star, and then they go. I remember when Shania Twain was getting people that didn't like country music too country music concerts, and I think that's what Taylor Swift is doing. She is getting people that just traditionally don't watch that league. They may be casual basketball fans, but the phenomena.

That's what Tiger did with golf.

That's what Tiger did with golf.

There are a lot of people that didn't play golf and don't play golf, but they found Tiger fascinating. And then when you can bring the casuals in and even non fans in. I mean it's one thing to bring casuals in a lot of people. A lot of great athletes have done that. You know, you are a casual basketball fan but you love Steph. But to bring in like non basketball fans or people don't watch a sport or a league that is Tiger and Caitlin. People were watching the NBA before Michael, they just didn't watch it as much. I mean, what she's doing with the WNBA is remarkable.

There are a lot of people that didn't play golf and don't play golf, but they found Tiger fascinating. And then when you can bring the casuals in and even non fans in. I mean it's one thing to bring casuals in a lot of people. A lot of great athletes have done that. You know, you are a casual basketball fan but you love Steph. But to bring in like non basketball fans or people don't watch a sport or a league that is Tiger and Caitlin. People were watching the NBA before Michael, they just didn't watch it as much. I mean, what she's doing with the WNBA is remarkable.

Be impressive. Colin, I will add you kind of buried the lead there.

Be impressive. Colin, I will add you kind of buried the lead there.

You're hanging out with frat guys, you move away from me, and now you're hanging out with frat boys.

You're hanging out with frat guys, you move away from me, and now you're hanging out with frat boys.

Let's going You're gonna wear a tank top to work tomorrow. What's happening?

Let's going You're gonna wear a tank top to work tomorrow. What's happening?

Well, you sometimes got to show the gun show out a little bit. Feeling good about myself. Chris Bruce Ards around the Corner Live It's the Hurt.

Well, you sometimes got to show the gun show out a little bit. Feeling good about myself. Chris Bruce Ards around the Corner Live It's the Hurt.

Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in neon Eastern nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Chris Bruce Ard is gonna be joining us a little over ten minutes. Good game last night. We've had three really good Knicks Facers game. Knicks had Game one and blew it Game two, Indie Game three, Pacers have It and and the Nick Steele It. So it's you know, these are close games. I will say J Mack. The one thing about OKC and Minnesota I was looking at a stat here, Okase of the four teams left is the one team you get a different team on the road than home, and that I think a lot of that is on age.

Chris Bruce Ard is gonna be joining us a little over ten minutes. Good game last night. We've had three really good Knicks Facers game. Knicks had Game one and blew it Game two, Indie Game three, Pacers have It and and the Nick Steele It. So it's you know, these are close games. I will say J Mack. The one thing about OKC and Minnesota I was looking at a stat here, Okase of the four teams left is the one team you get a different team on the road than home, and that I think a lot of that is on age.

They're basically the.

They're basically the.

Deep, young team and young players rotational dudes away from the comfort of home. We see this in college basketball, like you see big swings on college basketball teams home and away. You're dealing with nineteen year old guys. So it's funny, okase average one twenty three and a half at home, one oh five on the road, Like that's a different basketball team.

Deep, young team and young players rotational dudes away from the comfort of home. We see this in college basketball, like you see big swings on college basketball teams home and away. You're dealing with nineteen year old guys. So it's funny, okase average one twenty three and a half at home, one oh five on the road, Like that's a different basketball team.

Here's j Mack with a news.

Here's j Mack with a news.

No no turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.

No no turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.

Raklin. You're all excited for the Indy five hundred yesterday with the first fantash driver ever to win the race continuing his hot streak here he is.

Raklin. You're all excited for the Indy five hundred yesterday with the first fantash driver ever to win the race continuing his hot streak here he is.

It makes this extra special that I'm the first Spanish driver to win it, but honestly, if I was the fiftiest Spanish driver to win it, I would be as happy as I am now and as far as i'm now.

It makes this extra special that I'm the first Spanish driver to win it, but honestly, if I was the fiftiest Spanish driver to win it, I would be as happy as I am now and as far as i'm now.

I learned something yesterday. The track was cold and that had a huge effect on the drivers. I would not have thought that, so they talked in great deal. It was a hard track, the pitch stops were crazy. One car caught on fire, but overall it's you know, it's an international sport and I found the broadcast pretty captivating.

I learned something yesterday. The track was cold and that had a huge effect on the drivers. I would not have thought that, so they talked in great deal. It was a hard track, the pitch stops were crazy. One car caught on fire, but overall it's you know, it's an international sport and I found the broadcast pretty captivating.

Stuff.

Stuff.

Yeah, big big Sunday in Indy with the race, and then of course Pacers Nicks a super exciting time for the city, except the Caitlin Park injury.

Yeah, big big Sunday in Indy with the race, and then of course Pacers Nicks a super exciting time for the city, except the Caitlin Park injury.

That's the going down. You Let's move on.

That's the going down. You Let's move on.

Hey, listen, Colin, I lifted the Aaron Rodgers band last week.

Hey, listen, Colin, I lifted the Aaron Rodgers band last week.

What a mistake?

What a mistake?

That was?

That was?

Third Straight Hour with more Aaron.

Third Straight Hour with more Aaron.

Rodgers doucecon because he's doing He did a podcast over the weekend was asked about retiring a packer, a Green Bay packer.

Rodgers doucecon because he's doing He did a podcast over the weekend was asked about retiring a packer, a Green Bay packer.

Here's what he said.

Here's what he said.

I've thought about that, and I don't understand what the uh what the reason for that is? You know, at the same time, I grew up a Niner fan and most of my my favorite players retired as a Niner. So I understand the cool thing about it. But if I didn't do it, would that make a difference in how I'm viewed in the packer's eyes.

I've thought about that, and I don't understand what the uh what the reason for that is? You know, at the same time, I grew up a Niner fan and most of my my favorite players retired as a Niner. So I understand the cool thing about it. But if I didn't do it, would that make a difference in how I'm viewed in the packer's eyes.

There's a lot of love for.

There's a lot of love for.

Me and how I feel about the team. If I do, if I don't, I don't think you should make a difference. I'm not sure yet. If they approached me about it, I probably would.

Me and how I feel about the team. If I do, if I don't, I don't think you should make a difference. I'm not sure yet. If they approached me about it, I probably would.

How about that?

How about that?

What's wrong with this guy?

What's wrong with this guy?

Well, okay, so if you're not going to retire a packer, you certainly are not retiring as a jet nobody remembers you.

Well, okay, so if you're not going to retire a packer, you certainly are not retiring as a jet nobody remembers you.

So what are you going to just retire.

So what are you going to just retire.

As an NFL player? Why does he consistently do nonsense like this.

As an NFL player? Why does he consistently do nonsense like this.

He's trying to sound all air you did. And I'm philosophical about this college. Would it matter if I retire a Packer? Not like really?

He's trying to sound all air you did. And I'm philosophical about this college. Would it matter if I retire a Packer? Not like really?

Yeah, I think it's like that Facebook high school relationship.

Yeah, I think it's like that Facebook high school relationship.

It sounds better than a reality.

It sounds better than a reality.

When remember they were tired of Aaron, like green Bay was tired of far They and I've told you this that I have always supported Farvan Aaron Rodgers. I think I call it the green Bay quarterback theory is that if you go look at Farvan Aaron Rodgers, they couldn't be two totally different people. They became the same guy, precious, using leverage, passive, aggressive, threatening retirement, and then both.

When remember they were tired of Aaron, like green Bay was tired of far They and I've told you this that I have always supported Farvan Aaron Rodgers. I think I call it the green Bay quarterback theory is that if you go look at Farvan Aaron Rodgers, they couldn't be two totally different people. They became the same guy, precious, using leverage, passive, aggressive, threatening retirement, and then both.

Went to the Jets and it was ugly.

Went to the Jets and it was ugly.

The difference is far then reinvented his career with the Vikings, who, by the way, that's the team that reportedly Aaron's most interested in. But I do think that because you don't have an owner, you're not ultimately held as accountable as Tom Brady was by Robert Kraft. If he was going to be difficult, not saying he was or Peyton Manning by the late Robert ursay, you don't have an owner. It's the smallest town. He can't go to the grocery store. You are really the biggest player. You're the biggest person in the state. I mean as big as Brady was in New England. You got the Celtics, you got the Red Sox, you got the governor, you got the politics. It's a big city with a lot of stuff, big corporations. You get to a point where you are worshiped like no other sports market in the country, and I think it gets I think that would.

The difference is far then reinvented his career with the Vikings, who, by the way, that's the team that reportedly Aaron's most interested in. But I do think that because you don't have an owner, you're not ultimately held as accountable as Tom Brady was by Robert Kraft. If he was going to be difficult, not saying he was or Peyton Manning by the late Robert ursay, you don't have an owner. It's the smallest town. He can't go to the grocery store. You are really the biggest player. You're the biggest person in the state. I mean as big as Brady was in New England. You got the Celtics, you got the Red Sox, you got the governor, you got the politics. It's a big city with a lot of stuff, big corporations. You get to a point where you are worshiped like no other sports market in the country, and I think it gets I think that would.

Do that to anybody.

Do that to anybody.

I mean, far have started doing things that were like not discreet and really bad judgment. And Aaron I think is smart but lacks a certain self awareness because he has been in this tunnel of love and worshiped for like fifteen twenty years.

I mean, far have started doing things that were like not discreet and really bad judgment. And Aaron I think is smart but lacks a certain self awareness because he has been in this tunnel of love and worshiped for like fifteen twenty years.

The problem with this whole like who I'm retiring as nonsense is I don't think you have a choice, Aaron Rodgers. You won the bulk of your games, MVP's super.

The problem with this whole like who I'm retiring as nonsense is I don't think you have a choice, Aaron Rodgers. You won the bulk of your games, MVP's super.

Bowl in Green Bay. That's how you're remembered.

Bowl in Green Bay. That's how you're remembered.

You can't decide, well, I'm going to retire as a jet like, it doesn't work like that.

You can't decide, well, I'm going to retire as a jet like, it doesn't work like that.

Nobody thinks of him as a jet.

Nobody thinks of him as a jet.

I mean, I'm trying to think of an example where it would be dicey. Even Joe Montana, he couldn't say, I don't like what the Niners did to me. I'm retiring a team. Sorry, Palette doesn't work like that. You were dominant with the Niners. That's how people remember you.

I mean, I'm trying to think of an example where it would be dicey. Even Joe Montana, he couldn't say, I don't like what the Niners did to me. I'm retiring a team. Sorry, Palette doesn't work like that. You were dominant with the Niners. That's how people remember you.

Would you agree with me? Am I right here?

Would you agree with me? Am I right here?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I mean, listen, Aaron, if he retired today, would not be the professional first professional icon that had a choppy ending. Go look at where Ewing ended up or Michael Jordan with a Wizard, which Johnny Unidas.

I mean, listen, Aaron, if he retired today, would not be the professional first professional icon that had a choppy ending. Go look at where Ewing ended up or Michael Jordan with a Wizard, which Johnny Unidas.

Those are still guys like Patrick Ewing, isn't it.

Those are still guys like Patrick Ewing, isn't it.

Michael Jordan was a try That's how you're being remembered.

Michael Jordan was a try That's how you're being remembered.

Nobody's gonna remember Aaron's brief stay in New York. It just it's like if you go back and look at the Wizards and mj the players didn't like him. He was it was rough, like it was rough, they didn't win. Nobody cares. Aaron's legacy is set.

Nobody's gonna remember Aaron's brief stay in New York. It just it's like if you go back and look at the Wizards and mj the players didn't like him. He was it was rough, like it was rough, they didn't win. Nobody cares. Aaron's legacy is set.

In my head. I'm trying to think of one.

In my head. I'm trying to think of one.

So Tom Brady won in New England goes to Tampa and wins also, but I'm sorry Tom would have missed this.

So Tom Brady won in New England goes to Tampa and wins also, but I'm sorry Tom would have missed this.

He's a New England patriot.

He's a New England patriot.

Like that's how you're remembered, right that you can't just decide, Hey man, I don't want to retire a packer.

Like that's how you're remembered, right that you can't just decide, Hey man, I don't want to retire a packer.

I don't think it works like that, does it?

I don't think it works like that, does it?

Well, it's I think I think if Aaron retires tomorrow, is anybody going to be surprised?

Well, it's I think I think if Aaron retires tomorrow, is anybody going to be surprised?

I would rather.

I would rather.

I mean, once you get the trophy, once you get the money, and once you have more than enough fame. I mean Aaron, every time I see him, he's you know, he's in shorts and a T shirt, like he's not out there at He's not at the at the New York met Gala. Like, Aaron pretty much lives his own thing and does his own He's very private guy right in his Malibu conclave.

I mean, once you get the trophy, once you get the money, and once you have more than enough fame. I mean Aaron, every time I see him, he's you know, he's in shorts and a T shirt, like he's not out there at He's not at the at the New York met Gala. Like, Aaron pretty much lives his own thing and does his own He's very private guy right in his Malibu conclave.

So on play.

So on play.

So my my take with Aaron is I don't know what the value other than getting hurt. I mean, other Steelers don't have a left tackle other than getting hurt. I don't see the bank. He doesn't need the money, he doesn't need the fame. His legacy is set. I'm just saying, if I was Aaron, at this point, I just retire.

So my my take with Aaron is I don't know what the value other than getting hurt. I mean, other Steelers don't have a left tackle other than getting hurt. I don't see the bank. He doesn't need the money, he doesn't need the fame. His legacy is set. I'm just saying, if I was Aaron, at this point, I just retire.

Here's be I'd be comfortable with who what I established.

Here's be I'd be comfortable with who what I established.

How about this colin in the NBA Lebron and Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, They're all old at the end of their career. Nobody wants them to leave. Everybody wants them to stay.

How about this colin in the NBA Lebron and Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, They're all old at the end of their career. Nobody wants them to leave. Everybody wants them to stay.

The league needs them.

The league needs them.

Aaron Rodgers.

Aaron Rodgers.

I think people at this point are like, eh, I don't really care.

I think people at this point are like, eh, I don't really care.

What he does. He's not a factor, he's not a superstar.

What he does. He's not a factor, he's not a superstar.

Sorry, well, that's because there's very few Lebron's and Steph Curry entering the league. Because the NBA draft is full of nineteen year olds. The college draft gives you two to three superstar quarterbacks every couple of years. So there's this pipeline. I mean, we've talked about this. The NFL gets about fifteen wide receivers a year from college who can play immediately. So because you have to stay in college for three years and most guys stay for four, you get a microwavable ready to play plug and play star. And that's and so you can be replaced much more easily. I mean, very rarely do you have a team like the Pittsburgh Steelers this year that you're like, Wow, they don't have a quarterback in the room. I mean Cleveland's got five. Oh, everybody's got to least competent veteran leadership in the room.

Sorry, well, that's because there's very few Lebron's and Steph Curry entering the league. Because the NBA draft is full of nineteen year olds. The college draft gives you two to three superstar quarterbacks every couple of years. So there's this pipeline. I mean, we've talked about this. The NFL gets about fifteen wide receivers a year from college who can play immediately. So because you have to stay in college for three years and most guys stay for four, you get a microwavable ready to play plug and play star. And that's and so you can be replaced much more easily. I mean, very rarely do you have a team like the Pittsburgh Steelers this year that you're like, Wow, they don't have a quarterback in the room. I mean Cleveland's got five. Oh, everybody's got to least competent veteran leadership in the room.

The Steelers are an outlier. So you're just so much more.

The Steelers are an outlier. So you're just so much more.

Not that you're Lamar Jackson's replaceable, but the pipeline college football to the NFL is much stronger than college basketball to the NBA.

Not that you're Lamar Jackson's replaceable, but the pipeline college football to the NFL is much stronger than college basketball to the NBA.

Final story, Colin is uh Luka Dantich was spotted over the weekend at a real Madrid game. Now, if you glance quickly at the screen, I don't know, you wouldn't know which one it is, because apparently he's skinny. Luka dantag reportedly, now this is based on guys who are analyzing the photos, has slimmed down. I'm seeing a little love handle action there on the side. Not that it matters if Luca it's freakin' nod May, who cares.

Final story, Colin is uh Luka Dantich was spotted over the weekend at a real Madrid game. Now, if you glance quickly at the screen, I don't know, you wouldn't know which one it is, because apparently he's skinny. Luka dantag reportedly, now this is based on guys who are analyzing the photos, has slimmed down. I'm seeing a little love handle action there on the side. Not that it matters if Luca it's freakin' nod May, who cares.

But do you think he looks skinnier there?

But do you think he looks skinnier there?

What are your thoughts? No?

What are your thoughts? No?

Yeah, I don't see it either, But that was like I don't at the game.

Yeah, I don't see it either, But that was like I don't at the game.

I don't think he looks bad. I just think he looks like Luca. I mean, Luca's thick, He's sturdy. That's what he looks like.

I don't think he looks bad. I just think he looks like Luca. I mean, Luca's thick, He's sturdy. That's what he looks like.

Felt like a tank and yeah, a bit of a soft tank. But it's not like he's out there wearing sneadium shirts to show off the guns like your boy, does you know me? All weekend tank tops medium.

Felt like a tank and yeah, a bit of a soft tank. But it's not like he's out there wearing sneadium shirts to show off the guns like your boy, does you know me? All weekend tank tops medium.

That's how I roll.

That's how I roll.

Okay, Jmack with the news.

Okay, Jmack with the news.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.

Let's go to Chris Brusard, co hosts First Things First, joining us live from New York.

Let's go to Chris Brusard, co hosts First Things First, joining us live from New York.

So it was I was talking about this earlier.

So it was I was talking about this earlier.

I'm not surprised Karl Anthony Town had a big game. I mean he's a gifted offensive player. But it was interesting. Halliburton leaves for about four minutes end of the third, start of the fourth, and Indiana just lost their mojo totally offensively. He comes back, they kind of find it, but it's interesting.

I'm not surprised Karl Anthony Town had a big game. I mean he's a gifted offensive player. But it was interesting. Halliburton leaves for about four minutes end of the third, start of the fourth, and Indiana just lost their mojo totally offensively. He comes back, they kind of find it, but it's interesting.

Chris.

Chris.

My interpretation was, Indiana is not just about talent. They're really a pace team. They're a rhythm team. And when Halliburton end of third early fourth was out for four and a half minutes, Chris, I don't think they ever found their rhythm again. And so I'm not discrediting the Knicks. The rotational defense was better, but some of this was. It showed and illustrated how valuable Halliburton is to the pace of this offense.

My interpretation was, Indiana is not just about talent. They're really a pace team. They're a rhythm team. And when Halliburton end of third early fourth was out for four and a half minutes, Chris, I don't think they ever found their rhythm again. And so I'm not discrediting the Knicks. The rotational defense was better, but some of this was. It showed and illustrated how valuable Halliburton is to the pace of this offense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely, look like you said, give the Knicks credit, particularly Carl Anthony Towns was scoring the twenty points in the fourth quarter, hit the threes, attack the basket, got to the free throw line, so they deserve credit. But you're absolutely right, And what you're acknowledging is how great Tyres Halliburton is. And I was speaking with an agent about this this weekend and he was bringing up that Halliburton doesn't always lead the team in score, and I said, this.

Absolutely, look like you said, give the Knicks credit, particularly Carl Anthony Towns was scoring the twenty points in the fourth quarter, hit the threes, attack the basket, got to the free throw line, so they deserve credit. But you're absolutely right, And what you're acknowledging is how great Tyres Halliburton is. And I was speaking with an agent about this this weekend and he was bringing up that Halliburton doesn't always lead the team in score, and I said, this.

Dude is a true point guard.

Dude is a true point guard.

And he doesn't have to lead the Pacers in scoring to be their best player. He controls the tempo, he sets the pace, He gets.

And he doesn't have to lead the Pacers in scoring to be their best player. He controls the tempo, he sets the pace, He gets.

The ball to the right guys.

The ball to the right guys.

He determines, for the most part, very smartly, when he's going to be aggressive as a scorer, when he's gonna sit back and get the ball elsewhere. I used to seeing true point guards anymore, Colin were used to seeing the point guards that score first and past second. Jalen Brun and I'm not even disrespecting them. They're great, a lot of them, but Jalen Brunson's exhibit A, and Steph Curry and Damian Lillard, so a lot of them are phenomenal players. But when we see a Tyres Halliburg, we almost think, h he only gives you twenty points a game. Magic Johnson was a career nineteen point score. I'm not saying Tyres is magic, but he is.

He determines, for the most part, very smartly, when he's going to be aggressive as a scorer, when he's gonna sit back and get the ball elsewhere. I used to seeing true point guards anymore, Colin were used to seeing the point guards that score first and past second. Jalen Brun and I'm not even disrespecting them. They're great, a lot of them, but Jalen Brunson's exhibit A, and Steph Curry and Damian Lillard, so a lot of them are phenomenal players. But when we see a Tyres Halliburg, we almost think, h he only gives you twenty points a game. Magic Johnson was a career nineteen point score. I'm not saying Tyres is magic, but he is.

A true point guard who can lead the league and assists and give.

A true point guard who can lead the league and assists and give.

You nine to eleven a game and then also get your twenty twenty and eighteen to twenty four points. He's a great player. He is truly a phenomenal player.

You nine to eleven a game and then also get your twenty twenty and eighteen to twenty four points. He's a great player. He is truly a phenomenal player.

Yeah, and there again, it is a rhythm team, and they lost their rhythm and they couldn't find it. You know, it's interesting about the Knicks. I was saying the Knicks, actually, you know exactly what they need. So they need somebody. They don't shoot threes particularly well. And because Brunson and Cat Chris are poor defenders, it's hard to have him on the floor simultaneously. So if they move off Cat, who of course has a market, you keep Robinson for defense. You would say, okay, we need a three ball shooter, a secondary scorer who doesn't need the.

Yeah, and there again, it is a rhythm team, and they lost their rhythm and they couldn't find it. You know, it's interesting about the Knicks. I was saying the Knicks, actually, you know exactly what they need. So they need somebody. They don't shoot threes particularly well. And because Brunson and Cat Chris are poor defenders, it's hard to have him on the floor simultaneously. So if they move off Cat, who of course has a market, you keep Robinson for defense. You would say, okay, we need a three ball shooter, a secondary scorer who doesn't need the.

Ball in his hands.

Ball in his hands.

We need some length because we're losing Kat and a willing defender. Is that not Kevin Durant? Check tech check chech teck. I mean they don't and is it not?

We need some length because we're losing Kat and a willing defender. Is that not Kevin Durant? Check tech check chech teck. I mean they don't and is it not?

Is it not KD?

Is it not KD?

Look?

Look?

I love KD with the Knicks with Karl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson.

I love KD with the Knicks with Karl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson.

I look, he's better than Kat.

I look, he's better than Kat.

I'm not denying that, but I'm not at this point in their careers. I'm not giving up Kat for KD because Kat rebounds better.

I'm not denying that, but I'm not at this point in their careers. I'm not giving up Kat for KD because Kat rebounds better.

You know, he's Kat gets in foul t.

You know, he's Kat gets in foul t.

He's not a great defender, obviously, But I just I'm kind of done.

He's not a great defender, obviously, But I just I'm kind of done.

With the k D experiments where he has to be like the first guy.

With the k D experiments where he has to be like the first guy.

I mean, I get Brunson would be the first guy, But to think I'm gonna get rid of Cat and bring Katie in here and the Knicks are gonna be the best team in the.

I mean, I get Brunson would be the first guy, But to think I'm gonna get rid of Cat and bring Katie in here and the Knicks are gonna be the best team in the.

East, I'm not really going there again. If I can get him.

East, I'm not really going there again. If I can get him.

Without losing Cat, then certainly, you know, and that'd be a nice big three because KD would be the perfect piece with them. But what I do, Colin, if the Knicks go ahead and lose this series. I think what they need to do, and I said this on the show before about Tibbs. You know, job security. Certainly keep Tibbs, no question about that, But the Knicks need to look at how do we make our offense less Brunson centric and more get more like when you look at the Pacers, they move the ball, they the players are moving. The Knicks are stationary for the most part. And what that does is you don't know which pacers gonna have the hot hand. Could be Halliburton, could be Siakam, could be Nie Smith or Nim Harder, you know, somebody, the big guy, you know, so it could be a number of their guys. That's where the Knicks need to get because Miles Bridges is really good to score, josh Ar can have.

Without losing Cat, then certainly, you know, and that'd be a nice big three because KD would be the perfect piece with them. But what I do, Colin, if the Knicks go ahead and lose this series. I think what they need to do, and I said this on the show before about Tibbs. You know, job security. Certainly keep Tibbs, no question about that, But the Knicks need to look at how do we make our offense less Brunson centric and more get more like when you look at the Pacers, they move the ball, they the players are moving. The Knicks are stationary for the most part. And what that does is you don't know which pacers gonna have the hot hand. Could be Halliburton, could be Siakam, could be Nie Smith or Nim Harder, you know, somebody, the big guy, you know, so it could be a number of their guys. That's where the Knicks need to get because Miles Bridges is really good to score, josh Ar can have.

His moments, and oj A Nanobi can score.

His moments, and oj A Nanobi can score.

So I just think they need to become a little more egalitarian in their offense because look, it's they're certainly not better without Brunson.

So I just think they need to become a little more egalitarian in their offense because look, it's they're certainly not better without Brunson.

But notice their two game turning runs.

But notice their two game turning runs.

Game one, when they took control right the fourteen oh run with Brunson.

Game one, when they took control right the fourteen oh run with Brunson.

On the bitch.

On the bitch.

Last night sixteen to seven run into the third quarter when Brunson's out to early in the fourth, when he comes in, they go on a sixteen to seven run to get back.

Last night sixteen to seven run into the third quarter when Brunson's out to early in the fourth, when he comes in, they go on a sixteen to seven run to get back.

Into the game from down thirteen.

Into the game from down thirteen.

So it just shows you they have the depth that usually Tims doesn't use. And they also have other guys that can score the ball when needed to.

So it just shows you they have the depth that usually Tims doesn't use. And they also have other guys that can score the ball when needed to.

So I think they should look at that.

So I think they should look at that.

Yeah, you know, it's really interesting. You just pointed out two things that are true. Brunson doesn't always elevate others, and he's a poor defender. Halliburton's a better defender and elevates everybody, but not as great as score. And I think if you look at the knicks, they're a byproduct of Brunson's game.

Yeah, you know, it's really interesting. You just pointed out two things that are true. Brunson doesn't always elevate others, and he's a poor defender. Halliburton's a better defender and elevates everybody, but not as great as score. And I think if you look at the knicks, they're a byproduct of Brunson's game.

You taught me this years ago. Your game is your game.

You taught me this years ago. Your game is your game.

If Brunson's your point guard, then you have to have a catch and shoot shooter because he and you got to have somebody that can be like a Klay Thompson in his prime, somebody that can watch him and just get it beating the ball in the corner and shoot.

If Brunson's your point guard, then you have to have a catch and shoot shooter because he and you got to have somebody that can be like a Klay Thompson in his prime, somebody that can watch him and just get it beating the ball in the corner and shoot.

You can't have another.

You can't have another.

That's why Brunson and Luca did not work because they're both ball centric, whereas Haliburton is the opposite he I mean, he'll just go into distribution mode, pace and distribution mode and for like eight minutes and you look up and he hits maybe one three. So it's the Pacers have had ten different players lead them in scoring this season. Siakam, I think let him in scoring for the regular season.

That's why Brunson and Luca did not work because they're both ball centric, whereas Haliburton is the opposite he I mean, he'll just go into distribution mode, pace and distribution mode and for like eight minutes and you look up and he hits maybe one three. So it's the Pacers have had ten different players lead them in scoring this season. Siakam, I think let him in scoring for the regular season.

So I do think the.

So I do think the.

Pacers are a product of Halliburton style.

Pacers are a product of Halliburton style.

He's their quarterback, and the Knicks are a Brunson style, and so you have to work from there. I want to go to the other series. That's interesting, now there's two. You know that depth can be overrated in the playoffs, it can be a little overrated. Oklahoma City is the only of the four teams left, Chris that you get a literally different team on the road, one oh five on the road, one twenty three at home. My take is their youth, Their young players are not the same playoff games. On the road, they look at times overwhelmed, which gives me the thought that, oh, Minnesota's got a heartbeat in this series.

He's their quarterback, and the Knicks are a Brunson style, and so you have to work from there. I want to go to the other series. That's interesting, now there's two. You know that depth can be overrated in the playoffs, it can be a little overrated. Oklahoma City is the only of the four teams left, Chris that you get a literally different team on the road, one oh five on the road, one twenty three at home. My take is their youth, Their young players are not the same playoff games. On the road, they look at times overwhelmed, which gives me the thought that, oh, Minnesota's got a heartbeat in this series.

Do you believe that today?

Do you believe that today?

Yeah? I think that's a great point.

Yeah? I think that's a great point.

You know, I've been skeptical about okay See because of their youth all season. Like you said, we all know, role players don't typically play as well on the road, and that's what you're pointing to. Minnesota absolutely has a shot because they didn't just win games three.

You know, I've been skeptical about okay See because of their youth all season. Like you said, we all know, role players don't typically play as well on the road, and that's what you're pointing to. Minnesota absolutely has a shot because they didn't just win games three.

They made a statement college.

They made a statement college.

Forty two points leading by forty five like that does not happen to OKC. And this group, for OKAC has been in the playoffs two years, all right. They've lost seven games in those two years by a total of forty nine points. They've only had two losses in their playoff history. You know, this group where by double figures and both of them were twelve points. So they have never been beaten by more than twelve points until Saturday night. So that is a mental statement that the Minnesota made.

Forty two points leading by forty five like that does not happen to OKC. And this group, for OKAC has been in the playoffs two years, all right. They've lost seven games in those two years by a total of forty nine points. They've only had two losses in their playoff history. You know, this group where by double figures and both of them were twelve points. So they have never been beaten by more than twelve points until Saturday night. So that is a mental statement that the Minnesota made.

The Hey, we can impose our will on you.

The Hey, we can impose our will on you.

And the key for Minnesota is not to turn the ball over, which they did in games one and two.

And the key for Minnesota is not to turn the ball over, which they did in games one and two.

They didn't do that in Game three.

They didn't do that in Game three.

That didn't allow Okase to get out and score in transition. And then you had Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall play well together. That's the first time this series, tho you have played well together in the same game. If they can get that in game four, they can even up this series. And then We really got something to look forward to.

That didn't allow Okase to get out and score in transition. And then you had Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall play well together. That's the first time this series, tho you have played well together in the same game. If they can get that in game four, they can even up this series. And then We really got something to look forward to.

All right, Chris Bruce, Sorry he's on after us. First things first at the Indie five hundred the last Thursday and Friday shows. As always, it was great to watch.

All right, Chris Bruce, Sorry he's on after us. First things first at the Indie five hundred the last Thursday and Friday shows. As always, it was great to watch.

Good see anybody, Thanks Colin see you know.

Good see anybody, Thanks Colin see you know.

It's interesting, j Mac, you place to play a lot of basketball. I really think the Knicks and the two things can be true. You can love a player like Jalen Brunson and realize there are two liabilities with him. He has to have the ball in his hands and he's a poor defender, and those are both true. That's why if you told me who would I take to lead a franchise, I would take Halliburton because with a new roster, construction and aprons, you don't get multiple stars, meaning Halliburton.

It's interesting, j Mac, you place to play a lot of basketball. I really think the Knicks and the two things can be true. You can love a player like Jalen Brunson and realize there are two liabilities with him. He has to have the ball in his hands and he's a poor defender, and those are both true. That's why if you told me who would I take to lead a franchise, I would take Halliburton because with a new roster, construction and aprons, you don't get multiple stars, meaning Halliburton.

Can give me twenty.

Can give me twenty.

He's not the closer, obviously, well, but he's a better he's longer, he's a better defender, and he's a much better distribution pace guy. And so it goes against what everybody believes because in basketball, in our history, the closer is the man. But the league has changed, right like he used to be four years ago, Just get free closers, get Durant Steph Klag get closers you win.

He's not the closer, obviously, well, but he's a better he's longer, he's a better defender, and he's a much better distribution pace guy. And so it goes against what everybody believes because in basketball, in our history, the closer is the man. But the league has changed, right like he used to be four years ago, Just get free closers, get Durant Steph Klag get closers you win.

You can't do that anymore. So the league is moving into.

You can't do that anymore. So the league is moving into.

A direction of get you can have a closer, but the perfect team is a I think this is why I think now Indiana doesn't match up great with OKC. But if you had to choose Halliburton or I think ninety percent of fans would take Brunson over Halliburton. But my take is defense matters in the playoffs. One's a better distributor, one's a better score, but the other can score. And I think the length of Halliburton in his herky jerky style, I think he's just hard. So I again as a tough because I know, but because of I mean, as we're talking about Brunson, we acknowledge like you could put anybody in the league. You could put with Halibert. Any player would work, Jannis direct, any player. You could not put Luca with Brunson. You're like, well, they both need the ball, couldn't put you couldn't put Harden with Brunson.

A direction of get you can have a closer, but the perfect team is a I think this is why I think now Indiana doesn't match up great with OKC. But if you had to choose Halliburton or I think ninety percent of fans would take Brunson over Halliburton. But my take is defense matters in the playoffs. One's a better distributor, one's a better score, but the other can score. And I think the length of Halliburton in his herky jerky style, I think he's just hard. So I again as a tough because I know, but because of I mean, as we're talking about Brunson, we acknowledge like you could put anybody in the league. You could put with Halibert. Any player would work, Jannis direct, any player. You could not put Luca with Brunson. You're like, well, they both need the ball, couldn't put you couldn't put Harden with Brunson.

Got to I think the conference finals.

Got to I think the conference finals.

In Dallas they didn't work.

In Dallas they didn't work.

I mean, they they scored, but they were both terrible defenders. Well, yes, so you couldn't put Kyrie or Harden with Brunson.

I mean, they they scored, but they were both terrible defenders. Well, yes, so you couldn't put Kyrie or Harden with Brunson.

You couldn't. You couldn't put everybody with Halibert.

You couldn't. You couldn't put everybody with Halibert.

Well, the interesting thing with Brunson yesterday, and it's tough for Knicks fans to.

Well, the interesting thing with Brunson yesterday, and it's tough for Knicks fans to.

Talk about Colin. He was awful.

Talk about Colin. He was awful.

He was terrible in that game. He sat out, I believe, the first ten minutes of the fourth quarter when they came back in a must win season on the line, if he was on the bench, and to do that without your start is a little weird.

He was terrible in that game. He sat out, I believe, the first ten minutes of the fourth quarter when they came back in a must win season on the line, if he was on the bench, and to do that without your start is a little weird.

I don't care what to make of it. Maybe it's one.

I don't care what to make of it. Maybe it's one.

Game, No, no, no, The two biggest runs by New York have been when Brunson's on the bench. Yeah, the one form period the Pacers went into the tank. Halliburton's on the bench. So the answer is in front of you. Get over your emotion. No, no, no, no, no, that's not debatable. No no, no, it's not. It's two games. Brunson and Cat can't be on the floorid again.

Game, No, no, no, The two biggest runs by New York have been when Brunson's on the bench. Yeah, the one form period the Pacers went into the tank. Halliburton's on the bench. So the answer is in front of you. Get over your emotion. No, no, no, no, no, that's not debatable. No no, no, it's not. It's two games. Brunson and Cat can't be on the floorid again.

Okay, but it's the problem the counter and I'm gonna defend my guy bruns In. Nick, don't sniff this round without Brunson. Obviously, he's an elite point guard.

Okay, but it's the problem the counter and I'm gonna defend my guy bruns In. Nick, don't sniff this round without Brunson. Obviously, he's an elite point guard.

They needed him. He's the most clutch player in the league this year.

They needed him. He's the most clutch player in the league this year.

That's right, that's right.

That's right, that's right.

Kirk Cousins can win you a division, but he's a liability for a championship. There is a ceiling with Brunson. Small can't defend and has to have the ball.

Kirk Cousins can win you a division, but he's a liability for a championship. There is a ceiling with Brunson. Small can't defend and has to have the ball.

This is tough, and again people are not gonna want to hear this.

This is tough, and again people are not gonna want to hear this.

Take the fan hat off. If you can't defend, for watching.

Take the fan hat off. If you can't defend, for watching.

The fourth quarter.

The fourth quarter.

They can't play Townsend Brunson in crunch time together because they get annihilated.

They can't play Townsend Brunson in crunch time together because they get annihilated.

That's two terrible defenders.

That's two terrible defenders.

So who do you move off of if you replace Towny with a great defender?

So who do you move off of if you replace Towny with a great defender?

Can you keep? Can you still know it's easy? You're you're talking yourself out of easy stuff.

Can you keep? Can you still know it's easy? You're you're talking yourself out of easy stuff.

You keep brun He's the quarterback, but he is absolutely as great as he is. He is a liability on the defense end, so you can't play him with kat si Akham and Halliburton are magic together. Just ask yourself this. Everybody works with Mahomes, everybody. Not everybody works with Tua because he can't throw a deep ball in bad weather. Everybody works with Halliburton. He works with every player. Brunson works with a guy that you couldn't play with Harden Kyrie. He needs the ball, and you also have to put him in a back court with guys that can defend, because he doesn't, he'll get picked on.

You keep brun He's the quarterback, but he is absolutely as great as he is. He is a liability on the defense end, so you can't play him with kat si Akham and Halliburton are magic together. Just ask yourself this. Everybody works with Mahomes, everybody. Not everybody works with Tua because he can't throw a deep ball in bad weather. Everybody works with Halliburton. He works with every player. Brunson works with a guy that you couldn't play with Harden Kyrie. He needs the ball, and you also have to put him in a back court with guys that can defend, because he doesn't, he'll get picked on.

This sounds a little like early Steph Curry, specifically when they lost in twenty sixteen, remembers, well, Curry can't defend guys.

This sounds a little like early Steph Curry, specifically when they lost in twenty sixteen, remembers, well, Curry can't defend guys.

He led the league in steals.

He led the league in steals.

I know it.

I know it.

Steals don't matter.

Steals don't matter.

Okay, that's not that no, but again you're answering your question. What did the team have best defender in the league, Clay, best guard defender in the league, and Andrea I Guidala. So the Warriors acknowledged Steph's liability, so we went and got Iggy off the bench, Clay. They had three elite defenders. So that's what the Knicks the problem is. The Knicks are like, we need the scoring with Brunson, but Cat's a terrible defensive player. So that's why Indiana is gonna win this series. Indiana is just going to be able to Oh god, yeah, I mean it's it's sure. Yeah, they're gonna win Game four.

Okay, that's not that no, but again you're answering your question. What did the team have best defender in the league, Clay, best guard defender in the league, and Andrea I Guidala. So the Warriors acknowledged Steph's liability, so we went and got Iggy off the bench, Clay. They had three elite defenders. So that's what the Knicks the problem is. The Knicks are like, we need the scoring with Brunson, but Cat's a terrible defensive player. So that's why Indiana is gonna win this series. Indiana is just going to be able to Oh god, yeah, I mean it's it's sure. Yeah, they're gonna win Game four.

Quick note, I saw somebody had called it up. Apparently the Pacers have outshot their opponent in every playoff game from three except the last game, where they were five for twenty five last night. What if this has been an incendiary run from deep. I think they're shooting forty three in the playoffs and all of a sudden they cooled down over the next few games.

Quick note, I saw somebody had called it up. Apparently the Pacers have outshot their opponent in every playoff game from three except the last game, where they were five for twenty five last night. What if this has been an incendiary run from deep. I think they're shooting forty three in the playoffs and all of a sudden they cooled down over the next few games.

They're not gonna cool down. The teams are what your game is your game. They'll get hot. They're at home that they had an injury.