The Herd with Colin CowherdColin talks about Bill Belichick's recent comments about his CBS interview
Chris Broussard stops by The Herd to talk about the Lakers-Timberwolves game tonight and the rest of the NBA playoffs
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Welcome back. Interesting stuff from Bill Belichick in the CBS interview. Very interesting. But first Jmac with the news.
No, no turn on the news.
This is the Herdline News.
I don't like this Belichick thing, but we'll get to it later. Let's start with the Houston Rockets Colin Man. Two straight tough losses, despite largely out playing Golden State for part of the game, they're down down three to one.
Big game tonight in Houston email.
Udoka said he would take a look at everything, saying that the starters were so bad.
You know he's talking Jalen Green, that it's unclear who that Houston will be starting in game five.
Now, I don't think they can make a ton of different moves, but I think for sure throughout this game, Colin, when you watch it, start thinking, okay, who would I trade to get Yannis?
Who would I trade to get Kevin Durant. I know Houston fans don't want to hear that, but that's the reality.
Yeah, I mean I Jalen Green to me, has no defined offensive game. I would move him. He's the classic super athletic guy. Could have used really great coaching, maybe at college level, but I just don't know what he is other than athletic. I would move him obviously if you're getting y honest, you could maybe move a big sham goon maybe, But I mean there's certain players. I mean, I think Houston is basically a less talented version of OKAC, and OKC is young. So I mean it's like I got s You've got Jalen Green. I know exactly what I get from SGA every game. I mean, I just think Houston's going to be really, really good. They're not getting through OKC. Okay, C's are You've got the better general manager? Okay, so he's got a great coach, they got the better star. I mean, if they got the better number two star in Holme Gron or Holmgren. So to me, this is great Houston, but you're not getting past ok SE just in terms of the young Western powerhouses.
But they're a little they're a year early.
Now.
There is a report that I'm in Thompson. They are telling Houston selling teams he's untouchable. We're not trading him in.
I like that.
I know you would push back, but I'm just telling you, man, he is a potential superstar in this league.
But I would consider for sure Jalen Green shen Goon three first round picks.
And give us the honest, I don't know if that's enough. Milwaukee will say we want more.
Well, I mean, if you could get Jalen Green shen Goon in three first round picks, that's pretty good.
Well, also, it's not bad if you're Milwaukee because those are two young cornerstone pieces. Like in the East, you're gonna be top six with those guys. You are, like, that's a top six team in the East. In the West, I don't know. I like Rockets and I think you do as well.
Next up, Colin.
Coming off the NFL Draft, the betting market has made cam Ward an Ashta Jenty the co favorites to take home the Offensive Rookie of the Year award.
Here are the remaining top five and some notables. So initially I had said I.
Like o'mar and Hampton, but I forgot that they also have Naja Harris, So it could be a split backfield there with the Chargers. Any names jump out to you, obviously, I think cam Ward's got to be the favorite. He's starting from day one, could put up big numbers in the Callahan offense.
Yeah, that one seems fairly fairly obvious. I also think Jets in Miami, I don't know. No, I'm looking ato that division. I mean, two of the three guys up there are in the AFC South. I could see Travis Hunter being exceptional and cam Ward. Here's an Ashton Genty problem. Will the Raiders trail late in games?
The problem?
Will they? Yeah? So my take is when you trail Ashton Genty won't get the touches. Travis Hunter and cam Ward if they trail late, will get the touches. T Mac will get the touches. So, and I do think you're right on Hampton splitting it with Nause Harris, although I think Hampton will emerge as the number one back. But I like a player in terms of awards that will be in close games and possibly have to perform I could see Ashton Genty getting really good first half numbers and then you're playing Mahomes and Herbert and bo Nicks with Gino and you're behind.
So how about this theory Chadors plus twenty five hundred. I don't think he's gonna have a chance. However, Colin and somebody came on my podcast and made this very clear. Listen, if there's a quarterback hurt around the league, guess what the Cleveland Browns have Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco as potential trade be right you yesterday? I think said that Pickett and Flacco are probably two of the best eight backup quarterbacks in the league.
So maybe you trade one. If say Baker Mayfield.
Gets hurt, you trade one, and then Shaduur moves up and there's a world where shucks, Jesshaun Watson's out, we traded Flacco or Picket. Is Chaduur a number two? Does he get a lot of starts? So I don't know, can you get behind that logic or is that a bridge too far?
No?
I can't.
I just I think the Chaduer story at this point is more interesting than it is productive. I want to watch. I think it's gonna be really interesting. I don't think he starts game one.
That's a smart, nuanced date. Final story, college is college football? How about this?
Reports indicate that Texas Longhorns will spend wait for it, thirty five to forty million dollars on their football roster for twenty twenty five.
At what point is much.
Of course in the nil world?
According to the report, their source mentions that the current model is unsustainable, adding the next season, after next year, the whole world will be back to reality.
I don't know why that will happen.
Thirty five to forty million, that's a I think that's a bigger payroll than several MLB Baseball teams in the problem.
I mean, this is what this is what people are complaining about in Major League Baseball right now. The Dodgers and Yankees have separated, and maybe Steve Cohen and the mess you know again, the NC double A knew that paying football players was coming a decade ago, and drag their feet. Well why, I mean this idea that you can't make changes. We had Texas Oklahoma go to the SEC suddenly and four PAC twelve. The PAC twelve dissolved suddenly. So I mean, this is just the NC double. I don't blame Ohio State last year spending twenty million or Texas next year spending forty I don't blame.
In the school boy.
That's a lot of pressure on Sark. Forty million dollars would be almost double with Ohio State paid.
But they made the playoff two years in a row.
I believe right lost to Washington maybe, and then lost this past year.
They should be back in the playoff for dark Manning.
Yes, I think I do. You know what's interesting about this price tag? Brian Kelly goes to LSU and you think LSU will do whatever it takes to win, And they didn't know Alabama's fallen behind on nil. They just don't have that. They don't have the base of wealthy donors LSU. I mean, Brian Kelly basically had to go to the big donors and say, we're losing quarterbacks to Michigan. We need ten million dollars. So the reality is how many schools can pay thirty five to forty million? Oregon with Phil Knight? Could that's right?
Texas?
Could? I mean? I know this USC has gotten closer to twenty million than fifteen in the last several months, six months, That's what I've been told. No, I mean I think. I mean just in college basketball, the number is four million. If you spend four you can compete at the highest level. I mean, what what is the college football number? Is it going to be thirty forty? Then the number is probably twenty five million to be to be at the highest level. I'm just there's not many schools.
I'm pretty sure USC lost the Kid Branch because he wanted more nil and US He's like, whoa, we can't you know, like at some point you've got to pull back.
But I think you're right.
Other than Tennessee, how many teams can spend in upwards of twenty five mili?
What SSU, University of Florida, I don't know, Oregon, Oregon.
That's about it.
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All right, Chris Brusar on the show after US is now joining US Live. Okay, So Zach Low came out and said, yeah, he said it on a podcast at the Ringer. He said, listen, Luca's getting worked early in these series and it's not the trading Luca was crazy. It's that they got nothing back and that at some point our staff showed me this this morning. Brew Luca had twenty five dunks as a rookie. He has two in the last two years. There is some athletic decline. It's something And what do you make of his performance in this series.
No, that's a great point.
I thought that was interesting what Zach said that smart people in some corners of the NBA understand why they traded him, Like you said, you just want to get more. I would not have traded him. I still feel that way. But there's no question when you look at some of his highlights in earlier years as a rookie. His second year he was dunking on people. He was taking people off the dribble and dunking on them. Like he did not look that unathletic, and now he does. There's just no if sands or buts about it. And I think the feeling Colin is is that even though he's only twenty six, there's a feeling that his prime will be a lot shorter than other players, like that he's got maybe three four more years now. I'm not saying this is right, but there's a feeling out there. He's got three four more years at you know, as one of the top five players in the league, and then it's over after that. Defensively, obviously you see the problem, and I get it. He's not incredibly quick and athletic. But what his problem defensively is that not only is he bad defensively, but he's disinterested most of the time. If he's bad and interested, then you can make yourself a decent defender. Steph Curry, Steve Nash bad defenders, but interested defenders. So what that means is they communicate, they make sure they're in the right position on the floor, and they become passable on that side of the ball. Luca, when he wants to be is passable as a defender, but most of the time he does it, he's disinterested, and that's the problem. So I say Luca needs to win a championship before Lebron falls off, because there's no guarantee Colin that he will have another teammate as good as even a.
Forty year old Lebron is, And so every year.
That he doesn't win it because of his greatness and because of the things that came out of Dallas as to why they traded him. The pressure is gonna get higher and higher every single year on him until he wins a championship.
By the way, a shot eighty three percent when guarded by Luca in Game four. Now it wasn't a lot, but it shows you. Now the series that's been fascinating. I took the Rockets over the Warriors. I said, youth, athleticism, depth. It's all three of the Warriors' best players are all mid thirties, and I don't know what Pods is going to give you, and Kaminga is in the doghouse. It just I am actually surprised by the outcome. Is that I've said this about Jayalen Green. He's an athlete. I'm not sure he's a great basketball player. He's an amazing athlete. The Jalen Green stuff he has disappeared in three of the four games. Are you surprised by the outcomes here?
Not at all. I was.
Ninety nine point eight percent certain Golden State was gonna win this series.
Like I just felt it in my bones because of the experience gap.
Like I think Houston has had a phenomenal year. I think going forward, they will definitely emerge as a legit contender.
Shin Goon is great. You're right, Jalen has a lot to learn.
And his inexperience is showing seven points eight points thirty eight points nine points and you just can't have that in the playoffs from your leading scorer.
So that's inexperience showing.
But Golden State, not only are you inexperienced, you're facing a four time champion plus playoff Jimmy Butler, who smells it. He feels like, this is my best chance ever to win a championship. If you look at those teams he led to the finals in the East one year, Tyler Hero was hurt.
He had bam out of by.
You and a bunch of role players that are having trouble getting on playing time.
When their new teams gave Vincent Caleb Martin and.
He led them to the finals and took Anthony Davis and Lebron to six games in the finals.
Now he's actually got a.
Squad with some real talent and a good coach and Steve Kerr. He smells it, and that's why I'm not surprised at all. I thought it would be tough and hard fought because Udoka is great and the Rockets do play great defense. But I just thought the inexperienced gap or the experience gap was gonna be too much for them to overcome. And they'll learn from this. This is great for them going forward.
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So I have been a believer in the Celtics. I've said I think they're a little underrated because their superstar is not a publicity seeking, attention seeking player, Tatum. He's just really good. And we tend to have a bias towards anti Spurs and Duncan pro Kobe shack the dream, you know, the Michael Jordan Listen, basketball is aesthetics. We all fell in love with Doctor j. He want the best shooter. He was the most fun guy to watch. So we kind of punish the Spurs. I think we punished the Celtics because their depth and collaborative and Tatum. But I gotta I'm telling you, I'm watching Miami be humiliated and I'm just I mean, I'm interested. I mean, does Boston get past Cleveland.
Yeah, First of all, I think great point about the Celtics.
Look.
Obviously, Jason Tatum is more exciting to Washington Tim Duncan, but I do think it's similar in terms of we're underwhelmed with Tatum even though he's great, and if they win the championship this year, Colline, we do have to say, okay, what do we do with Jason Tatum? You know, as far as ranking him historically, ranking him in the league right now. As far as the Calves, I said yesterday on first things first, Calves winning the East. I've got the Calves winning the East now, and I know it's gonna be tough. Maybe I'm a little out there far because I'm from Cleveland, but they you don't see teams humiliate to use your word, the Heat like they did, and I get it.
The Heat clearly quit in Game four.
You don't get beat by sixty essentially if you don't quit in the NBA playoffs. However, Cleveland made them quit in Game three when they went like Game two was only a nine point win for the Calves in Cleveland. So Miami's thinking, okay, we can make this thing a series. Going home, Cleveland smacks them by thirty seven points, and then the Heat knew it was over and they quit and so just to make my me quit like that is impressive. They did it without Darius garlandho was an all star guard who's been out with the toe injury. They've got the superstar that can create his own shot when all else fails.
And Donovan Mitchell.
They got another great guard in Garland, guards off the bench, and Strus and ty Jerome and DeAndre Hunters a great sixth man.
And then they've.
Got the size at the rim in Mobley and Jared Allen. They defend the paint and the three point line. They moved the ball like they are legit. And they have also colin which is what Houston hasn't done and maybe even okay, see, to some degree, they have taken their lumps. They lost two years ago in the first round of the playoffs, they lost last year in the second round of the playoffs.
And now they you know, the questions were are they tough enough? Do they shrink?
They've gone through all that, so now I think they are ready. They kind of remind me and I look, I know this is gonna be an overstatement, but when Golden State won it in twenty fifteen, we looked at them like good team, fifty win team, but second round at best.
They get a new coach.
He comes in in searts a new offense, and then they just take off and surprise everybody by.
Winning the championship.
That kind of reminds me of these Calves in that they were a good team, a fifty win team. They had a good coach before in Bickerstaff. But Atkinson comes in there does some things differently, and they go to a level that we didn't think they had. And I'm giving them a legit shot to win the final the East and even.
Get maybe win the finals. So yeah, I believe in the Cavs.
Finally, let's talk Nicks. A year ago, the Pistons are in a rebuild and the Knicks think, hey, we got Michale Bridges, we can challenge the Celtics. I watch them, it's the same team. I think the Knicks are an inch better. One of the reasons they are in a good spot as a franchise. They were patient. Is it time to acknowledge they're not close to Cleveland or Boston or OKC. The Patients thing was wonderful, but it is now time for a big swing in the offseason.
Yeah.
I mean, look, if they can get Yiannis, you know who may be available this summer, then.
They gotta go try to do it. Maybe even you look at a.
Kevin Durant, I agree with They're not going to beat Cleveland or Boston.
They just aren't.
I mean, they're struggling. I got them in seven. I picked them in seven before the series, but obviously they're struggling with Detroit, which is to some degree, was just happy to be in the playoffs this season. You look at their roster, though, Colin, and they should be as good as Cleveland in Detroit. I love Jalen Brunson. He is a superstar level player.
He just sa is. We don't think of.
Him that way because he started off his.
Career as a role player and all.
He's got a very you know, just a normal regular person personality, it seems, but he is a superstar. But one thing they are gonna have to look at I think going forward is he's probably two ball dominant, and I don't think that's that selfishness. I just think he dribbles the ball too much. You look at their talent, they've got not just Cat but onanobe other guys that can average twenty points a game, Bridge is heart. They probably need to be a more egalitarian style offense where they're getting everybody involved and it's not just brunts and doing it all and creating for everybody else. I think that'll help take them to the next level.
Chris Brusard Show after Us excellent stuff.
Really appreciate buddy, Thanks Kling see it you bet? Yeah.
I think I haven't touched much on the Halliburton's dad Yanna's story today. It's obviously inappropriate, but it has just been it's just been a bad two week stretch for dads. I mean it was Shador Sanders, Like, I don't even agent I'll take dad's advice. Got bad advice, doesn't mean Dian's a bad father. He just gave bad advice, Niko Iamaliava, doesn't mean he's a bad dad. Probably gave his son bad advice. And like, like, I don't know Halliburton's dad at all. I just don't think I would confront a superstar player that could illuminate me very quickly. Thank god Jannis has a more even temperament. I just you know, it's just doesn't make you a bad dad. It's just bad judgment or bad opinions, or it's just wildly inappropriate. And at some point I think this all the time. Basketball, college or pro fans have the greatest access. I mean, in hockey you got the glass. Football you're miles away. Again, Baseball you're except for like Fenway Park, you usually have a lot of space. Basketball you're on the floor, so secure security levels are here. Was by the way, Yannis on Troyce Halliburton's dad.
One thing I'll say is that I believe like being humbled in victory. That's how I am. I love tis. I think it's a great competitor. He was his dad sort of coming in the floor and showing me his son towel with his face. This is what we do, this is.
What we do.
This if we do this, I feel like that's very, very disrespectful.
The emotions of the game just got excited there. But I talked to him. I'll talk with you honest eventually about it. Just you know, I don't take them My pops was in the right at all.
There. For the record, Halliburton voted most overrated player in the league. Not so much in that series. Belichick that being Bill talking about the CBS interview that went sideways, It's the hurt.
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So Bill Belichick has released a statement. He had a book called The Art of Winning, and CBS said, Heyley, we'd like to interview you for it. It's like the CBS I think Morning or Sunday Show or one of those shows on CBS, not sixty minutes. And so during it, his girlfriend interrupted the interview and just said, hey, we're not going there talking about our relationship, which I don't have a problem with. I have a right to ask any question I want. You don't have to answer them. Okay, you don't want to talk about something, you have ever right to say that. I have a right to ask questions. So Belichick has released a statement on that, and Bill's statement is listen. The final eight minute segment does not reflect the productive thirty five minute conversation we had, which covered a wide range of topics related to my career. Instead, it presents selectively edited clips instills from just a few minutes of the interview. To suggest a false narrative that Jordan was a tempting to control the conversation, which is simply not true. Belichick wanted to talk football, They CBS had no intention of spending thirty five minutes just talking football.
Again.
They have a right to ask, she has a right to say, we're not going there. I don't think it's that big of a deal. I think it's awkward. I think the bigger issue is nobody knows what to do with seventy something year old Belichick and a twenty four year old girlfriend. Charles Barkley was on Dan Patrick this morning saying he's been my friend forever. I may have to step in here. This thing could go sideways. Listen, the power dynamic in older men young women is well documented. There can be issues, but I do think she does serve in this relationship a purpose. I don't think it's just you know, attractive young girl, older man. She is like in a college campus environment, she is basically the coo of Belichick productions, and he needs it. He is a rigid control freak, a little bit grumpy, a little bit prickly. On a college campus, he could use and he's not, you know, he used to make fun of Snap Graham and into the chat like he makes fun of that stuff. He needs a bridge, he needs to go between. So at twenty four, generationally, Jordan Hudson is the go between. You don't. You can think the relationships icky or uneven in the power dynamic, whatever, But to me, it's a two grown ups, two adults, both mutually benefiting Bill's career. And I'm sure he's happy with it and her career, and I'm sure she's happy with it. So where am I supposed to go with that? Julian Edelman talked about the interview and what he.
Saw people are giving an unfair reality of what's going on because she was jumping into that conversation during the interview, just like any PR person would jump in when there's an unnecessary question that probably didn't go over in the pre production meeting. When you look at this situation and you say, oh, this is his grow friend jumping in, I think that's unfair. I think she's actually working with Coach Belichick in the professional world, and she probably would and said, hey, no, we're not doing that.
Yeah that's how I feel. Now, what does it look like to NFL teams? Probably not.
PC.
Like I could see an NFL owner and the wife saying this is not who's going to run our franchise, Like this is not going to play. I could totally see that. I just think they're very strong families. And if you think Belichick's a control freak, some of these billionaires double down on that. I mean that Belichick has said as much that. There's multiple stories where Belichick has just said people around him he's just tired of not having control. The truth is, Belichick had total control in New England at the end, and frankly, it hurt him. He had too much control with personnel. Belichick shouldn't have as much control. Pete Carroll's a good coach. One of the reasons he had problems in Seattle is he was taking control of the personnel in the draft to a degree in which John Snyder and the organization weren't happy, and they had some bad drafts. So I don't think coaches in the NFL should be making the picks I think right now San Francisco, I think Kyle Shanahan has too much power in San Francisco. I did not like the Niners draft. They've had too many misses. The last three years. So I think Belichick, Pete Carroll and these are great coaches. In Shanahan, I think you're better serve letting the scouting department. The GM run the draft and have a huge say as well. So by the way, Gruden in with the Raiders, when he was with the Raiders had final say their drafts were a mess. So you know, it's hard enough to be a great GM or a great coach individually. To do both I think is virtually impossible. Andy Reid, by the way, famously, Brett Viech runs the show. I'll do the games. But this whole thing is just, you know, it is. People are not comfortable with it. You know, it's different coin.
What do you make of this year?
It is? We're interesting, though, And I feel sort of a Bob Knight thing here and a little bit of a Tony Larusa thing when you have success and you get older and stuff changes. I mean, analytics have changed baseball, and there's no question in the NFL it went from a defensive league. It was a run game defensive league until the NFL had to write an eight nine hundred million dollar CTE check and it got offensive very quickly.
Bill did not age well.
He didn't I mean, Bob Knight, I don't want to do one and done. He did not age well. So it doesn't matter how brilliant you are if you're not willing to adapt, the greatest businessman can look outdated very quickly.
It's the guy.
It's the guy twenty five years ago. I'm not using the internet.
Bye bye.
Everybody's using the internet.
Colin.
This was a fun story when it was like, Hey, Bill Belichick u NC from the NFL to college Oh, exciting, And now it's kind of become about twenty four year old girl who's with him in interrupting negotiations with HBO over Hard Knocks, interrupting a CBS interview.
I was totally on board for Belichick. I just think at this.
Point UNC's probably internally being like, guys, is this what we bargained for. I don't want to say we're a laughing stock, but anybody who talks about this is like, oh, yeah, seventy six year old guy, twenty four year old girlfriend who's now controlling the head coach of a major college football program.
Well, if you hire Belichick, the idea that he's going to go down the line and run his program like you want him to run it. I mean by bringing Mike Lombardi over. Mike Lombardi is a gruff, blunt, bottom line Belichick disciple. So Bill hired a younger version of Bill. But a football guy, Yeah, a pro football guy through and two. I have no problem with that. I think college the new model of college is GMS and paying players. It feels like about fifty to sixty percent. It feels like pro football.
Yeah, Colin, I just wonder, like, you know, we should talk to woj about this, because I did have him on my podcast. He's now like the GM of Saint Bonaventure basketball. Okay, I'm sorry, but I don't think he's on the court with the coach talking strategy the way you saw the twenty four year old girl walking into the middle of practice up to Belichick, like, hey, coos are not seen, right, They're just maybe heard behind the seats.
They're not on the field front and center, are they?
If they go four and oh to start the season, right, and then they're playing Clems in the next week, will any of this matter? No? Like this is this is the first off season. Once the game start. If Bill's we that's what I'm fascinated by. I know that's not interesting to me. Is I always felt that Bill was brilliant. But college allows you seventeen hours a week to practice.
There's limitedge.
That's why college coaches, the ones like Saban that have personalities and can coach, are at an advantage. Bill doesn't have the personality, So his greatness is schematic excellence and details. You're dealing with nineteen year old kids and you get seventeen hours a week. The teams are just gonna the best college teams can be sloppy.
Yeah, Colin, listen, I'm gonna say something. I don't want to get myself in trouble. You said earlier this week.
Everybody wants to go viral, didn't you with the young kid in the prank call.
Yeah, I'll just leave it at that, all right.
How that was it?
Mean?
I just it's looking a little suspicious.
