Hour 2 - Where Colin was right and wrong

Published Sep 16, 2024, 8:16 PM

Colin tells you why he was right about Kyler Murray and wrong about the Ravens.

He also talks to 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck to breakdown Caleb Williams after 2 starts and why he's been struggling in the NFL thus far

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All right, Here we go live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd two hour, number two of Monday. Matt Hasselbeck. Love having him. He's going to be a regular eighteen NFL seasons. Matt, He's a smart dude. He'll be joining us from a place he used to play, Seattle. Here in a few minutes, Jamack, we have Jimmy Johnson next hour. So I do. I think it's really cool when people get second and third chances. Baker, Derek Carr, Sam Darnold, even Malik Willis. It is. It's the redemption Tour so far in the NFL. If you did vote for MVP, dar Car would lead, Donald the Baker Mayfield would get votes, and Kyler Murray. It's I feel great about it. You know what, not everybody's ready to go. At twenty three years old, the first coaching staff, the first ownership can stink. Takes a long time for a lot of these young guys to grow. But it's cool to watch all these. Gino Smith got a second. He was considered a complete bust. He's winning nine games a year. Seattle is now two to zero.

Great game for him against the Patriots. Yeh, where's the Bryce Young redemption? Let's that's not happens.

That's not been great? All right, every Monday we do it. It's called Colin is right and Colin is wrong, And here.

We go where Colin was right?

I said, Sam Donald a talent, he just needed the right organization and the right coach. Yesterday a one h nine passer rating eight the San Francisco defense for lunch, averaging six point eight yards per play. Are the Vikings under Donald second in the NFL. It's high level quarterback play from a guy who wasn't gifted enough to overcome the Jets and Panthers. Nonsense. And I couldn't be.

Where Colin was wrong.

The Ravens lost to the Raiders. I could just stop right there. Total collapse. Lamar Jackson had an eighty six passer rating to start the season. You cannot lose this game at home to the Raiders. I know it's the NFL. Raiders play tough. Brock Powers, that tight end for the Raiders is gonna be a special guy. But Baltimore's zero and two. And by the way, they lost it home to Minsha Minshew last year as well, Gardner Minshew, so he's got their number a little bit. Where Colin was right, you know, I love Kyler Murray. You know I love him. Yesterday may have been the best player in the league. Three touchdowns, two hundred and sixty six yards passing. I just think he throws the prettiest football there is. I mean, first of all, he's a former baseball player, so he slides, he can go deep, his mobility, his elusiveness, he's like a significantly better Russell Wilson. Hey, look at this stuff. These are pro athletes. I mean, it's just that's incredible. And but for the record, Arizona's offensive pieces are really interesting. Keep your eye on him. The Rams had no answers for anything.

Where Colin was raw.

I thought the Rams would duplicate last season and be a little better now. Some of it is their offensive line. They didn't have a left tackle yesterday. They're a disaster. Pookin Nakua, Tyler Higbee, Joe Noboom, stevea Vila, They're They're there every year there's a team that can't stay healthy. It's the Rams, and it's mostly offensive players. Listen, I just I don't think they're going to be as good as I thought.

Uh.

There are teams that are zeroing to that I'm hopeful for. But now no Cooper Cup and no Pokin nakup against the Niners. This puppy could be over in a couple of weeks.

Where Colin was right.

I don't get will Levis. I don't think he's fluid enough to be a starting quarterback in the league. I think he's mechanical. For his coach to publicly put him on blast twice is weird. That's almost like he resents. I don't see it with Will Levis. At some point. I don't know why this gets a bad rap. You have to manage the game. Tom Brady mostly managed the game. That is part of it. You're letting your teammates down, and you're coaching down. Football is hard enough. It's hard enough to win games. Don't lose games. You have a chance to win. So we're right on Will Levis. I just do not see him as a franchise quarterback.

Where Colin was wrong.

The hell am I watching with the Saints? What is this?

Well?

I think it's Clint Kubiak. I got the Saints for a fourth place team. I thought Dennis Allen would be the first coach fired. I'm officially here to announce Dennis Allen will not be the first coach fired. They average twelve yards of play in the first half, some of them standing up. They look multiple lots of motion. It's a reboot for Derek Carr, who last year felt very dink and dunk, a lot of underneath stuff fun fun. They averaged seven point seven ven yards of play and had four hundred and thirty two yards offense for an offense. Remember that cowboy defense humiliated Cleveland. The Saints went to Dallas and did anything they wanted to do. Where Colin was right, I said, Texas looks like the best talent in the country. They have now surpassed Georgia as the number one team according to the AP. They look bigger and stronger than Georgia. Arch Manning came in did a terrific job first time since two thousand and eight, they've been number one. And this goes to prove everybody bailed on sark Well. Why did Nick Saban hire him? Why did NFL teams hire him? Sark can recruit He's great with co quarterbacks and I don't know. I watched Georgia play Kentucky. I watched that game and Georgia trailed for a lot of it. And Georgia offensively is not in Texas's league, even though they have a really good quarterback. Texas has a better roll line. Texas, to me, has more speed. Texas should be the number one team in the country where Colin was raw. I have to come to terms with something, and I'm not sure why. But Trevor Lawrence, his twenty and thirty two is a pro. He's big enough. I loved him in high school. In college, he's got a Super Bowl winning coach. It's just not working. He's lost seven straight starts. And again I'm not saying the organization doesn't have dysfunction. I know it's hard to win in this league, but he's in kind of a wonky division, one of the weaker divisions in football. You could argue this morning it's the weakest division. Houston's good. Who else is? But Trevor Lawrence was somebody I thought he was a can't miss, and so far it feels like, frankly, he's mostly been a.

Miss where Colin was raw.

Okay, okay, bow Nicks is struggling. In my defense, none of the rookie quarterbacks have thrown a touchdown, but he's getting more chances. He has seventy seven attempts so far this year, four picks, no touchdowns, and a fifty one passer rating, And in fairness, he does have Sean pateon the other young quarterbacks have defensive coaches. Here was a sarcastic bow Nicks on his late interception, bo can you take us through the interception in the end zone? Uh?

Yeah, chop back to the other team.

I really like him, but so far it's been rough, been rough for all these young guys. We got to take a deep breath. This is a hard, hard league and organizations now they're not patient by your second Thanksgiving. They're making decisions upstairs. Bow's gonna be fine. I'll stick to it. He's gonna be fine. But you're right, I thought it was gonna be a little prettier than this. No TV's four picks, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong on a Monday. Matt Hasselback eighteen years, three Pro Bowls, a Super Bowl trip as well. So happy he's going to be part of our show on a regular basis. Let's just start with something that's cool. So Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold.

Oh, I thought you were going to talk about the bone Nick's press conference.

Well we could. I want to get I want to get to that, but I do want to start where Gino Baker Darnold. I feel like in life, we thrust these guys to star and start. Matt, you know this, You were with a good organization. Half of these organizations are just chaos upstairs. Is that it that they finally have the right coordinator on the right team. What do you make of this redemption tour for like four or five guys that we considered bust?

Yeah, well, I would say it's not surprising at all. You know you mentioned Gino Okay, and so Gino he played at West Virginia, was not a pro style offense. He goes and you know he's trained under Rex Ryan and kind of the ground and pound situation, and Rex would tell you, like what Gina was doing at West Virginia was completely different from the offense that they were trying to run with the Jets. And I think I said to you, you know, maybe one one, maybe two times for rookie quarterbacks, by far, the two hardest things are third down like blitz protections, knowing where your hots are getting us into the right protection, and then also red zone. That's just stuff that they're not asked to do in college, especially not now, and so the learning curve is severe. So you look at Geno now versus Geno when he first came in the league. He's still Gino. He's got all the physical tools while he was a first round pick or a very very high round pick, but he's also got a little bit of all these guys that he was around, just even talking to, like Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, the guys that he maybe backed up Russell Wilson spent time with. And now he's just so much more ready as a leader as a player. And I think that's what you're seeing in Baker. I think you see it in Sam Darnold. I think you see it. I think you're starting to see a little bit of it. In Kyler Murray even just that maturity. Yeah, but Kyler was pretty good to start. But now it's something to watch. It's early, but it's definitely something to watch.

So I want to talk about the young guys specifically, because there's no touchdown passes with all of them. I said before, I think Caleb's a great talent. I worried Matt about the infrastructure of the porest owners, a defensive culture, a defensive head coach, a young GM, and I said, I don't know. John Alway may have been good enough to overcome some stuff, but most of these guys, they just need help. I watched his protection last night. I mean, give me a break. Who Mahomes couldn't overcome that? Now? Is that because Mahomes would change it? Pre snap? Like? How much is Caleb and how much is the old line? Keenan Allen's hurt? What do you see?

I think if you're counting on a rookie quarterback to play well this whole year, Like, if you think this is your year, it's not your year. I saw a guy throwing the ball late. You look at it. I think he had two interceptions late, both times one was a go route. He stared at down. It's the timing is five and one hitch and you can throw the ball forty two to forty four yards four yards from the sidelines on a go ball, and the middle safety can never get there if you hitch even one extra hitch. These free safeties in the NFL shoot even in college, they'll get there. It's an interception. So you know they say a lot of times in defensive meeting rooms they say tips and overthrows. Gotta get those tips and overthrows are how interceptions happen. Also, if the quarterback doesn't throw it on time, it's how interceptions happen. And so I think that's what you're seeing. It's very easy to blame offensive line or to blame scheme, But if I had to put money somewhere and I have a rookie quarterback, I'm guessing that the rookie quarterback didn't get his protection or his eyes where they needed to be when people blitz. And I think that's definitely something you saw yesterday, was rookie quarterback or gonna blitch you and see if you're ready to go on the pass protection stuff. And clearly right now it's still it looks like someone learning on the fly, and it's not necessarily surprising. I don't care who the rookie quarterback.

Is, so I said, I think the Jets looked at Aaron as a savior. But he's an expensive forty year old that now stays within a four foot radius. I said, He's closer to Kirk Cousins than Kyler Murray. He's not going to extend and the play, and I do think in twenty twenty four it may not be now, but that's a bit of a disadvantage. Virtually all the top guys move now. Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert aren't as fleet a foot as Lamar or Kyler or Josh Allen, but they move. So when I watched the Jets offense, the two things that jump out is Ernst in a very small radius. It's a little Kirk Cousins. The second thing is there's almost no motion. It's just I mean, Matt, I watched Miami San Francisco, I watched Cincinnati. I mean jumbo sets, motion substitutions. It's kind of remedial to my eyes, to the TV set. I just think this Jets offense, this is kind of what it is you're not gonna win shootouts, am I nuts.

No, And I said it to you last week. I believe like the hero ball isn't the way to go with Aaron Rodgers. A great quarterback, he really is, But this idea like where the play clock's getting down to zero every time he's trying to get us into the right play. I just don't think that's the way you need to play it, like scheme some stuff up. You saw it on the one touchdown pass. It was kind of like a fun, like running back screen type thing, like that's that's the kind of offense that they can have. They can have this San Francisco, this kind of an offense where it's shifts and motions and we're scheming you up and he gets to be more John Stockton and less carl Ma Malone, Like you don't have to muscle it through. We can. He's so good at slight of hand, at leadership, at line of scrimmage, spreading the ball around, all that stuff. So just this idea of playing kind of like the old school Peyton Manning offense where you know somebody's gonna win a one on one, Like I just that's not what I would do. I for my money, I would use Aaron Rodgers as the point guard and just scheme them up, shifts, motions, you handle it all, and that would be the best fit use the running game. But this idea of like I think he took a go a go shot out of empty protection running back on a linebacker, Like, they're just bad defense. Like, if you're a linebacker out there and you got a running back, they do one of two things they do. It's called now and later. You either get the ball right now under five yards or later. You're just running a deep ball. There are no other routes that you run. This is a bad coverage. Yeah, So like really, I thought the Tennessee Titans gave that game away and the Jets are very very fortunate to come out of there with a win. So do I think they're still alive? Yeah, the Jets are still relevant. They got a chance to figure it out. But this, like this style of offense, I just don't think it's the best fit for where they where they where they're at as a team. And it's it's sort of it's sort of frustrating to watch.

To be honest, I said, one of the things you could say this about great boxers, and you can say it about Kansas City really resilient. You could knock them down in the second round. You could knock them down in the fourth, and then you're in the tenth and they win by decision narrowly. Dallas is the opposite. They've branded themselves as a glamorous team. I've seen them trailing in the life last several weeks. Buffalo last year, thirty one to three, crushed at home by Green Bay, humiliated by New Orleans, half the touchdowns by the Saints. They were in the end zone standing up, and I just there is something to be said. I don't care if you want to be you know, Texas is a glamour college football brand, but I feel like with Dallas there's not a lot of resilience. If you hit him on the chin early. I mean that thing that started to look like a southern California seven on seven drill, I mean, what is it?

Well, I'll say this. You mentioned Kansas City, and there's something that can happen in the NFL. This They had it in Green Bay. I got drafted to the Green Bay Packers. Brett Favre was there three time NFL ANDVP in a row, coming off with two consecutive Super Bowls. When he came out there was like the opponent thought, uh oh, they're gonna win if they have the ball lead. That's what Mahomes and Kansas City have with their quarterback, their kicker. Now you go to Dallas, I think Dallas just walked into a buzz saw. I think the New Orleans Saints are the real deal, like they are scheming people up, I think Clink Kopiak. So I think all the focus is probably gonna be on Dallas. People are gonna want to pile on Dallas or what's wrong with Dallas. I think Dallas is going to be fine. But the New Orleans Saints, I mean they are for real. They neutralize everything that Dallas is good at. They're good at rushing the passer, they're good at jumping routes. They said, the heck with that. We're going to take what you do well and we're going to use it against you. So I think the big question is how real are the New Orleans Saints? And I do believe that the Dallas Cowboys will rebound this week and you'll see more like the team that we saw week one. I just don't think people realize how good the Saints are.

So you know, with basically the same players, the Chargers go from easily the worst defense to the number one scoring defense. Now some of that is Carolina and the Raiders. We know that situational the teams. But they went and got a slot receiver, good player, and at right tackle Joe all looks excellent. So I thought their offense would be better plus Harrball. But I'm watching their defense. This thing was a sieve last year. Like I'm third down, it was over third and eighteen. You tell me, is it scheme? Is it? Culture?

Is it?

How can you with the same players be that different of a defense.

Complimentary football, like people talk about it, Complimentary football is a real thing. When you are putting your defense in a bad situation three and out, going forward on fourth down when you shouldn't, a bad punting game, like all that kind of stuff. It puts your defense. The percentages say, like, if you make the defense go eighty yards, sorry, if you make the opposing offense go eighty yards, you're gonna hold them, like a high percentage of the time if you give them a short field or they're not going eighty yards then you're you know, like you're gonna give up more points. So I just think like the danger that a lot of people would have you. Oh, you have Justin Herbert, spread it around and go deep. I hear people talk about all that all the time. You know, like throw it around, But why do you run the ball? Like is it exciting to run the ball? No, you're helping your defense, You're giving them a rest, you're keeping them off the field. And then with that run game you have Justin Herbert and you saw this. This is like a great example. Okay, the first two touchdown passes of Justin Herbert for this past week, they go single high, stack the box, one on one outside for a go route like that. Justin Herbert could make that throw when he was in high school. And so that's exactly. You just run it, run it, run it, run it. Oh, here's the one on one touchdown. Then you get down in the red zone. It's the same kind of thing like people play combo man zone. Down in the red zone, we do a little play action. All of a sudden, someone that's in man isn't in man because he thinks it's a run. Because Harbaugh is committed to the run. Meanwhile, this whole time, the defense is just on the bench drinking gatorade, looking at pictures like they're not gassed because they were on the field the whole time. So I just I really think like Harball has a low ego. He's not trying to prove how smart he can be in the passing game. He's just got an identity for this team. It's going to help the defense out. And I think if they can run JK. Dobbins that way, that might be the way to beat the Chiefs to day. You know, you neutralize Chris Jones, keep Mahomes and Kelsey on the bench like that's the way to do it. And that's kind of what he was hired to do, is figure out a way to win that division.

Finally, I want to go back to Cincinnati and Kansas City. I said the officially they're the Patriots dynasty. Their quarterback will throw a bad pick. You're not sure they have the better team always, but they'll make a great defensive play and they'll just figure out a way to not beat themselves. I watched the Patriots for twenty years. There were the Moss years when it was attract meet, but most of it. It was like they just made a play. And it's funny. It's easy for me to say, I don't know if Kansas City's a great team, but I would pick them to win a third strate Super Bowl. What do you see? I see? I see a more entertaining version of the Patriots situationally, brilliant kicker, coach, quarterback, good pass rush. That's what I do. I see a great team. What do you see?

Yeah, one hundred percent. And you probably left out Steve Spagnolo, Like he is a great defensive coordinator. Of all the guys that I went up against, you know, you mentioned I played a long time in the NFL. There's some guys that have a ton of respect for Spags is one of them. He's brutal to prepare for. But the quarterback, you get the quarterback and the kicker, right, and then the head coach you're rolling. I thought was what was interesting yesterday was just how they got into big people, like they basically got into wishbone. Like you have Patrick Mahomes and you're spending a good portion of your playbook and you're in wishbone, double tight ends, extra lineman, defensive guys in the game full backs, like Andy Reid. He was my position coach my rookie year in Green Bay. Like this guy he played left guard at BYU. Like he was the O line coach at Missouri a couple of years before he was the tight ends coach with the Packers. Like this guy is a football guy. So I think a lot of people think, like, oh, they're a cute offense. They have so much speed, they run all the fun you know, what's it called, like a twinkiear like whatever, these like fun names that they come up with their plays. Corn dog. But at the end of the day, he understands that this is eleven on eleven tackle football until you prepare all week for ma homes and then you get a heavy dose of wishbone like what the heck man? But even with that, even with that, it came down to an automatic kicker yep, and an automatic quarterback in two minute and that same thing. Just like I said to Justin Herbert, they brought a guy down in the box and they left Rice open for a one on one go route. Again, all these guys they could make that throw in high school. A go ball, ironically is like the easiest throw for an NFL quarterback, and that's what they gave him, a one on one go ball and those are usually the difference between winning and losing, that in turnovers, and you know that's why the Chiefs are rolling once again.

Eighteen years three, Pro Bowl, Super Bowl as well. He's in the air old city of the Pacific Northwest, of course, where I grew up and where Matt had great success there. I wish you could show us what you're looking at. Are you looking at fairies Bainbridge Island right now?

I really am, you know, And it's a beautiful, beautiful It's I really am. It's a beautiful cloudy day here, but it's it's still beautiful.

Matt.

I always love talking to you. Thanks so much for coming on the show.

Awesome.

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I mean, it wasn't much controversy Sunday, but I guess Chiefs Bengals was the only interesting one right where. You know, those fans are left whining about the flag on fourth and sixteen. Nevertheless, Chiefs are two and zero. But bad news this morning. Colin Isaiah Pacheco. They're tough running back. He's good, fractured his right fibula and is set to miss real time. It sounds like he's gonna go on the IR and miss a minimum of four games.

He's a really valuable piece.

And they're backup fumbled, the kids steal who has like yeah, and.

Now Hollywood Brown's not coming back, so they're I think this team's really vulnerable Kansas City again, we know they're great. They're a toe and a play from being oh and two. So this this this game is a game of inches, not yards or feet, and I think they're vulnerable here. I think the Chargers after they played them tomorrow. I'm not sure I wouldn't take the Chargers.

I mean, I'm sure there's a few realistic Chiefs fans out there who realize, like you, we do not look good. Travis Kelce has thirty nine receiving yards.

Listen, their offense in the fourth quarter dried up. They just had they had nothing. Cincinnati was the better team late except for that interference.

So three overs, one for eight on third down.

Listen.

He's Patrick Mahomes, He's he's in legend. Blah blah blah. He was terrible yesterday, one of his worst games of his career passing yards wise, two dreadful picks. Cam Taylor Britt had an amazing interception.

One of the best pick I've ever seen in my life.

So he talked trash all week. Remember he has heard line and uh then he backed it up with the pick. But I don't know Chiefs at the Falcons this week. We'll see what happens with Atlanta tonight. It's Sunday Night football. I would assume a bounce back from Mahomes after. I mean, he's gonna hear that this was like his worst game. Uh, the interceptions, they they're not crisp. Probably a bounce back.

That schedule gets very interesting. Well, now that's charge Saints San Francisco like those I mean the Saints now look like the best team in the league.

And they come out of the bye week a big game against the Niners, the Super Bowl rematch.

And by the way, Tampa's no day at the beach. So there's this. The schedule suddenly looks a litt treacherous.

Yeah, it's weird. I don't know. This is not gonna be popular, But do we need to stop playing that game where we look at the schedule and think win lost this colin I mean, we like, it's so tough in this league. You saw some of these games yesterday, Like some of these teams are not pushovers that we thought they would be. Carolina, I mean, they're garbage, but like the Raiders coming back.

From how perfect for the New York Giants. Three touchdowns and it ends up eighteen points.

But that should have been a lock cover for the Giants and they blew it the kicker injury. I don't want to go in on table yet. Maybe we'll do a Final Hour next up, let's talk about the Saints. We didn't do much on them in the offseason because you know it's Dennis Allen, but through two weeks they've been in the league's most impressive team. They blast the Cowboys forty four to nineteen. They've scored ninety one points through the first two games, the second most enfranchise history, tied for the sixth among any team in NFL history. The last time the Saints did that, they went on to win the Super Bowl. Carr was tremendous. Camara Will looked rejuvenated.

We got some stats.

Again, it's two weeks, but they lead the league in points per game, yards per play, points per drive. They're a juggernaut right now.

I don't know.

I don't want to overreact. Eagles go into New Orleans next week. Eagles are currently favored, but it's it's a tough hand.

And now I think all of us are going, wait a minute, wait a minute, it'll end. But it's not that they beat Dallas. It's how they beat Dallas effortlessly. Seven point seven yards of play, dude, that's that's a dominant college.

Perform The thing is, if you just look at the Saints last year, which was boring and you know, predictable.

And they're Larry Dink and dunk right.

This year, they got a vertical passing game. There's motion on every play. Derek Carr is getting protection. They look like a totally different team. I don't know if we'll continue, but well, I think at this point.

Two and zero one thing that is very clear. Coordinators matter. Oh yeah, we think head coaches do coordinators matter? This This kid, Clint Kubiak looks like he knows just what they're like. Miami sets motion totally confusing, and it's just it looks like they're well coached. Yeah, like Houston when they take c. J. Stroutz. Houston's given you multiple looks, multiple motions. Then you watch the Jets, it's remedial. I mean it is, it's remedial offense.

But even like o'lave was like their only guy. Remember it was like, oh they got Olave and then they have nothing else. Well, Rashid Shaheedow is a massive burner. He's cooking the Cowboys deep. The same team looks interesting. You know, remember remember how the Superdome's rocking in the playoffs indoor games. We'll see final story. We got to talk more about your guy, Kyler Murray Arizona forty one beat down on Harrison. Harrison an amazing first quarter, four catches for a buck thirty and two touchdowns. He was excellent. Kyler Murray was just stupendous. I mean, one fifty passer rating, which is perfect whether it's running again, this is another team that doesn't look like we thought they would. Their power running game with Connor. Now you got Harrison, the tight end McBride like this looks like it could be one of the highest scoring teams in the league.

Arizona Kawhi wouldn't shock me. Good tight end, Connor's great, Harrison, now Kyler Murray, that doesn't surprise me. Their all lines, Okay, it's fine, it's not great.

It's fine, But like top ten offense coming into the season, nobody had that Arizona top ten offense. By the way, they host Detroit, and this is a fascinating game to me because I know Detroit's favorite on the road. I don't know, Colin, I gotta do a little more homework here.

But I don't think Detroit should be favored on the road against that offense. Let me give you a stat. Marvin Harrison yesterday became the first rookie with at least four catches and two tds from the first quarter of a game since his dad in nineteen ninety six. Not crazy so they got Detroit.

If they were able to beat Detroit, then they got Washington and suddenly that San Francisco game is like I'm just telling Seattle and Arizona look better than advertised and San Francisco cannot fall behind. Their schedule is very difficult. This Remember I got Seahawks to win that division like plus seven hundred close to it. I not go spicy when all these new teams are good, you know, fun. Yeah, Like, other than the Panthers, does anybody really look well?

I don't think the Giants are very good. I don't think the New York Giants. I think the Panthers and the New York Giants aren't good. And I think now without Hooka Nakua and Cooper Cup and Tyler Higbey and Steve a Vila, that's four high end starters for the Rams out offensively, so they're just a very very limited offense. They didn't have a left tackle yesterday, so they don't have one. They have a kid that played at Clemson and it was a backup right tackle and we always thought, you know, interior guy like that's what they put him at left tackle yesterday. It's just not He's not built for.

This strategy went out the window of run the football because they were behind fourteen nothing in like a heart bed five minutes into the game.

It's like, oh, well, if it's.

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Check for the game in your area. I know it was the Panthers, but it's amazing that the Chargers, with virtually the same defensive personnel have gone from the worst defense in the league with Brandon Staley to now the number one scoring defense with Jim Harbaugh Also, what is really exciting because there's a lot of components here. Joe Alt looks like a home run at right tackle, two elite pass rushers to elite tackles. But Quintin Johnson, who was a bust right we thought he was a first round receiver bust. No, he's not big six ' four track guy. So now you get an a plus head coach and a quarterback, a tackles, a pass rushers, and JK Dobbins looks like the Ohio State JK Dobbins flipping into the end zone. So that's a lot of what the Chargers have. Now are what the really good Super Bowl teams have great protection on the edges, quarterback, big over the top receiver, target like a Nico Collins, hard to defend a power run game. Now, like most teams in the league, they're a cornerback shy. But Justin Herbert, this is so predictable. That's so Andrew. Look at Stanford with Harbaugh. Here's Justin Harber. Justin Herbert now mostly managing the game, not throwing the ball a ton. In fact, I saw something this morning. He had under thirty Justin Herbert the first two games. That's never before happened in his career, back to back games under thirty throws. But what Jim Harbaugh is is the NFL's cold press. He will extract every bit of talent out of your organization. It's the same defense. Now it's the number one scoring defense, but it's the Quintin Johnston moment yesterday. It's like, okay, so now we have the young slot guy from Georgia, the rookie a slot guy's broad. Now we have a running back who's a power runner, the tackles, the coach, the quarterback. Now we have a deep threat and hardball talked about Johnston.

Maybe no nobody more excited for than Quentin Johnson.

Uh just Q is Uh.

Everybody on a team.

Really likes Q and uh loves him, respects him. Uh yeah, he probably most of all because he's you know, he's kind of been picked on by a lot of people, and uh, you know it didn't it didn't phaze him most the most important party.

Never he didn't ever get the big head.

Uh.

He just just keep doing you que.

Now the Carolina Panthers, it was just an ounce are benching Bryce Young and they're saying, now he's still our guy. He'll just be our guy over on the bench like it was. And it's one thing he moves pretty well. He's just over a skiz. He looks like a miss. He looks small. You know, he's quick, but he's struggling with accuracy. It's it's amazing that you could be the number one high school quarterback, the number one college quarterback and can't play a lock in the NFL. They gave they gave him an offensive coach, they got him better weapons, and they can't move the chains. I mean they're averaging like three yards a play. So uh but let's get back to the Chargers. That's a real offense. Like we we both talked about it. We said, you know, this team could win like ten eleven games. I don't know if you're gonna beat the Chiefs. That's how to do it. Elite tackles, can't get the pass rush, elite run game, take the ball away from the homes, over the top receiver, rush ends, put pressure on Patrick, Like that's the way to beat him. And we're two games in. I know it's the Raiders, it's Carolina, but those are the components to beat Kansas City power rush, deep threat, power run game, great coach, great quarterback. Now the Jets are fascinating because they're so remedial offensively. So since Nat Hackett, Aaron's buddy, took over the OC job, they run less motion than almost every team in the league. The Saints are running like Miami San Francisco level motion. It is sleight of hand. The Jets, Aaron's not gonna run around. He's not going to extend plays. It's very predictable. Aaron make a great throw. It's just I'm sitting there, folks. They're not much to it. I mean, it's cross your fingers that Breace Hall is healthy. Matt Hasselbeck was on moments ago. He thinks the Jets what they're doing with Aaron is the wrong tact.

The hero ball isn't the way to go with Aaron Rodgers a great quarterback, he really is. But this idea, like where the play clock's getting down to zero every time and he's trying to get us into the right play. I just don't think that's the way you need to play it, like scheme some stuff up. Just this idea of playing kind of like the old school Peyton Manning offense, where you know somebody's gonna win a one on one like I just that's not what I would do. I for my money, I would use Aaron Rodgers as the point guard and just scheme them up, shifts, motions like he can handle it all, and that would be the best fit.

Now the downside, they don't have a lot of time to fix their issues. So what the league does. They put Mahomes on TV every Sunday and Aaron Rodgers. So they play a Thursday game. So they've done, you know, two road trips. They rush home and they have a game on Thursday. Now it's against the division opponent. But Aaron hasn't seen the Patriots right because he got hurt last year. So but what comes across to me is there are great losses in this league. I think Cincinnati had a good loss. I thought it was a bad win. What's becoming very clear with the Jets is they're falling apart defensively. They got to get Hassan redigin. They lost Huff to the Eagles. Reddick's not here, Johnson's hurt. CJ. Mosley's banged up. Like they need bodies. Because I was thinking yesterday if they lost that game when it was tied. I kept thinking, okay, wait a minute, if will Levis beats them, if will Levis beats Aaron Rodgers, that ownership group is coming down to Robert Saloon and saying that's maybe the worst quarterback in the league. See, your defense can't stop people. It's one thing if the offense is limited. Because Aaron is forty, he's off of surgery, there's limited weapons. Sala's defense can't make stops. He's in big trouble. So I think you have to be honest about teams like the Rams right now are zero and two. I think they're gonna get shredded. It's just not gonna work. Carolina's bad Giants aren't very good.

Now.

The good news when you looked at the schedule for the Jets was, oh, it's Tennessee and it's New England. Now you look at it and you know, okay, okay, it's it's it's New England and it's Denver. But now Minnesota looks capable, Pittsburgh looks capable, Buffalo is capable. Houston Arizona. So, uh, Thursday is a bigger deal than you think. When they were tied yesterday, was there any moment Jmack when you watched this game and you thought, oh my god, have I massively overvalue this team?

No, just the slow start, the penalties. It was just they looked like a JV team. They didn't look particularly Christmas.

The first three drives no yards. Yeah, three seven and four four seven.

I bet the Patriots already six and a half. Is down to six by the way, this is gonna be a tough game Thursday night. The Patriots are not the pushover jokes we thought they'd be.

I think the New England offense is much closer to the Jets offense than people think. Receiver, well, Pulk's pretty interesting.

Sound, and he's not a factor. The problem with the Jets is this defense. If you go look at Pro Football Focus last year, like most of their defense green. Everybody's like, you know, top ten, fifteen or whatever at the position. This year, nobody's playing well. The defensive line is all orange. They're really grading out poorly. They couldn't stop the run really yesterday, Colin. It just doesn't feel like a super Bowl team. But I'm gonna be optimistic and say Rogers is feeling his way through it. Yeah, can we go back to Bryce Young? Really we got like a minute. Yeah, did you see the Adam Thielen clip yesterday? He was super wide open. Nola Field puts his hand up. You know, Bryce, I just totally missed him and feeling like rips his helmet off, chuck like they're unhappy with how bad Bryce Young has been it. I didn't want to go overboard. I said on my podcast, he's gonna be out of the league as fast as Josh Rosen. I don't know how Bryce Young fixes his calling. Andy Daltons is now going to get to start this week.

Andy's been He's gonna be like forty, isn't he.

The Raiders are favored by seven against the pen, like the Raiders should never be favored. I would not be surprised if Andy Dalton shows well this week. They got some guys. They they got theieland they got Deontay Johnson. Young just can't get them the ball two for twenty two on third down through two games. I it's just staggering to watch Bryce Young and then cjstry to be like wow.

Bryce Young played for a powerhouse high school in southern California. Right, he played for a powerhouse college. This is the first time he's been asked to carry a team in his life and he can't do it. He managed a great high school and college program, he looks completely overwhelmed.

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