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Ah, here we go. It's our two all fired up, live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Just flying through shows. Rob Manfred, Baseball Commissioner, on yesterday, baseball season weirdly, you know, kind of starts tonight and then with the tournament, so it's weird. I don't remember that being the case where usually you would start baseball yesterday. So I don't love like opening night and that's sarty being on March Madness night because I want to watch John Calipari and Duke in Arizona and whatever. I will say this, there's a story this morning that the Cleveland Browns, with a number two pick, will not take Shadour Sanders. Adam Schefter says they're probably gonna get Abdul Carter, who's a super good player, excellent kid at Penn State, probably the second most gifted player in the draft to Travis Hunter. And this is not a shot at schefter. I think it could be a smoke screen you get lied to a lot in the last three or four weeks before the draft. I've been told that for years. But what is interesting is if Kevin Stefanski did pass on Shadeur Sanders. Now Aaron Rodgers dropped in the draft, and so did Dan Marino. It can happen to anybody, Lamar Jackson, it can happen to anybody, right, So, but he is a pocket quarterback who's accurate and won't be very expensive. That is what Stefanski wants. So if it's right in his lap and he doesn't take him, that does make you wonder if if there's a real and then and then after that the Patriots don't need the Giants could use a quarterback, and if they passed on him, like what are we looking at here? Maybe New Orleans goes and gets him. So I my take on Shadeur is to be as that accurate with no running game and a mostly abysmal offensive line for two years is really hard to pull off. Seventy four percent accuracy is really hard to pull off. It'd be one thing if you're Will Howard and Ohio State and you've got two first round receivers, two running backs who will get drafted early, and above average old line, that's a different ballgame. It's different if quinn Ewers did that at Texas. We're talking battle line, no run game. Seventy four percent completion percentage, that's damn impressive. So yesterday Julian Edelman talked about what he worries about was Shadoor Sanders.

Ah, here we go. It's our two all fired up, live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Just flying through shows. Rob Manfred, Baseball Commissioner, on yesterday, baseball season weirdly, you know, kind of starts tonight and then with the tournament, so it's weird. I don't remember that being the case where usually you would start baseball yesterday. So I don't love like opening night and that's sarty being on March Madness night because I want to watch John Calipari and Duke in Arizona and whatever. I will say this, there's a story this morning that the Cleveland Browns, with a number two pick, will not take Shadour Sanders. Adam Schefter says they're probably gonna get Abdul Carter, who's a super good player, excellent kid at Penn State, probably the second most gifted player in the draft to Travis Hunter. And this is not a shot at schefter. I think it could be a smoke screen you get lied to a lot in the last three or four weeks before the draft. I've been told that for years. But what is interesting is if Kevin Stefanski did pass on Shadeur Sanders. Now Aaron Rodgers dropped in the draft, and so did Dan Marino. It can happen to anybody, Lamar Jackson, it can happen to anybody, right, So, but he is a pocket quarterback who's accurate and won't be very expensive. That is what Stefanski wants. So if it's right in his lap and he doesn't take him, that does make you wonder if if there's a real and then and then after that the Patriots don't need the Giants could use a quarterback, and if they passed on him, like what are we looking at here? Maybe New Orleans goes and gets him. So I my take on Shadeur is to be as that accurate with no running game and a mostly abysmal offensive line for two years is really hard to pull off. Seventy four percent accuracy is really hard to pull off. It'd be one thing if you're Will Howard and Ohio State and you've got two first round receivers, two running backs who will get drafted early, and above average old line, that's a different ballgame. It's different if quinn Ewers did that at Texas. We're talking battle line, no run game. Seventy four percent completion percentage, that's damn impressive. So yesterday Julian Edelman talked about what he worries about was Shadoor Sanders.

My number one thing with Shadoor is can he break down the protections. He's not a mobile guy. He's a pocket passer. We all keep on saying he's a punck passer. So for me, if I'm a general manager, if I'm a team, I want to see how good he is with his protections. It's ultimately going to come down to the offensive coordinator he gets paired up with and that relationship and how he handles protections.

My number one thing with Shadoor is can he break down the protections. He's not a mobile guy. He's a pocket passer. We all keep on saying he's a punck passer. So for me, if I'm a general manager, if I'm a team, I want to see how good he is with his protections. It's ultimately going to come down to the offensive coordinator he gets paired up with and that relationship and how he handles protections.

Okay, so again, I like him more than I think draft people do. Jmck and I don't see him plumbing in the draft. But Marino did and he's an All timer. And so's Aaron Rodgers. He's an All timer. So, and I've said this, there's only two guys in this draft who I think are would be great in any draft, Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. I do think there's only one player in this draft that will turn around a franchise, and that is the kid cam Ward, who would go to Tennessee. I think he would start and be a dynamic player. I don't know if Shidor is that. Could Shadur be more Geno Smith. He's accurate, he sits in the pocket, good guy. When he gets a decent coach, he can win games, maybe get you to the playoffs. That could be his comp I mean, he's not Joe Burrow. He's not running around like Lamar Josh Allen. He's not that. But he is a pocket guy. But pocket guys golf succeeds Burrows mostly that Gino got to the playoffs. He's mostly that. Okay, So we said they call it the dog Days this summer in baseball, which starts tonight, take out the Tokyo Series Cubs Dodgers. But it's a little dog days in the NBA, where teams like Boston and Denver and Cleveland that have roster rhythm for several years and kind of reducing minutes. The Lakers are a different ballgame. Austin Rivers, Lebron and Luca played twelve games, got a Brooklyn feel a few years ago. They just played basketball together and they're very clearly not the same team when Lebron's not on the floor. And with that we bring in Rachel Nichols, Fox Sports NBA analysts doing that since the early nineties, and she is now joining us. How can you be covering the NBA that long years old?

Okay, so again, I like him more than I think draft people do. Jmck and I don't see him plumbing in the draft. But Marino did and he's an All timer. And so's Aaron Rodgers. He's an All timer. So, and I've said this, there's only two guys in this draft who I think are would be great in any draft, Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. I do think there's only one player in this draft that will turn around a franchise, and that is the kid cam Ward, who would go to Tennessee. I think he would start and be a dynamic player. I don't know if Shidor is that. Could Shadur be more Geno Smith. He's accurate, he sits in the pocket, good guy. When he gets a decent coach, he can win games, maybe get you to the playoffs. That could be his comp I mean, he's not Joe Burrow. He's not running around like Lamar Josh Allen. He's not that. But he is a pocket guy. But pocket guys golf succeeds Burrows mostly that Gino got to the playoffs. He's mostly that. Okay, So we said they call it the dog Days this summer in baseball, which starts tonight, take out the Tokyo Series Cubs Dodgers. But it's a little dog days in the NBA, where teams like Boston and Denver and Cleveland that have roster rhythm for several years and kind of reducing minutes. The Lakers are a different ballgame. Austin Rivers, Lebron and Luca played twelve games, got a Brooklyn feel a few years ago. They just played basketball together and they're very clearly not the same team when Lebron's not on the floor. And with that we bring in Rachel Nichols, Fox Sports NBA analysts doing that since the early nineties, and she is now joining us. How can you be covering the NBA that long years old?

Exactly? I started as a child.

Exactly? I started as a child.

No, I started in college because what I got to do when was I went to Northwestern and I was a stringer for the Washington Post and I got to cover the nineties Bowls as a nineteen and twenty year old and just kept going since.

No, I started in college because what I got to do when was I went to Northwestern and I was a stringer for the Washington Post and I got to cover the nineties Bowls as a nineteen and twenty year old and just kept going since.

So it was a pretty great ride.

So it was a pretty great ride.

You and Mike Greenberg, I think, yeah, exactly covered exactly. So he said this about the Lakers you watched it last night. Is that Lebron's first half.

You and Mike Greenberg, I think, yeah, exactly covered exactly. So he said this about the Lakers you watched it last night. Is that Lebron's first half.

Was by Lebron's three quarters rough.

Was by Lebron's three quarters rough.

Maybe in his worst half ever as a pro offensively, Yes, but I do think they're in a weird spot. They could get to a two seed. They could also fall to a playing game. They play the Rockets, Thunder Warriors at Chicago's tricky. That team can shoot.

Maybe in his worst half ever as a pro offensively, Yes, but I do think they're in a weird spot. They could get to a two seed. They could also fall to a playing game. They play the Rockets, Thunder Warriors at Chicago's tricky. That team can shoot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I look at him and I think to myself, they have to play hard the rest of the way.

I look at him and I think to myself, they have to play hard the rest of the way.

Yeah for sorry, absolutely, Look, the offense is still working itself out. They completely changed the way they've played once Lukadancic came into town, which is exactly what they should have done, but it takes a while.

Yeah for sorry, absolutely, Look, the offense is still working itself out. They completely changed the way they've played once Lukadancic came into town, which is exactly what they should have done, but it takes a while.

I am not worried about the offense.

I am not worried about the offense.

Lebron is still working his way back from injury. They're all still learning how to play together. They are going to be fine. Teams pick their poison with Luca. They have to decide what to do, and usually teams end up blitzing him, which leaves someone else open. And he's a great passer, so they will figure it out offensively.

Lebron is still working his way back from injury. They're all still learning how to play together. They are going to be fine. Teams pick their poison with Luca. They have to decide what to do, and usually teams end up blitzing him, which leaves someone else open. And he's a great passer, so they will figure it out offensively.

The issue is the defense.

The issue is the defense.

And frankly, we had Rob Polinka sit up on the stage when Lukadancic was introduced and tell us this, Not that we didn't know, but I'm saying even the Lakers understood that once you trade away Ad, you have a front court defensive problem, right, and they were not able to fix it before the trade deadline, and they are going to try to fix it this summer. But there is a limitation of how far you can go if you have that kind of hole. And it's great that they played so well defensively in the weeks after the Lukadanci trade, but that required one hundred and fifty percent effort from every guy every minute on the floor.

And frankly, we had Rob Polinka sit up on the stage when Lukadancic was introduced and tell us this, Not that we didn't know, but I'm saying even the Lakers understood that once you trade away Ad, you have a front court defensive problem, right, and they were not able to fix it before the trade deadline, and they are going to try to fix it this summer. But there is a limitation of how far you can go if you have that kind of hole. And it's great that they played so well defensively in the weeks after the Lukadanci trade, but that required one hundred and fifty percent effort from every guy every minute on the floor.

That is not sustainable.

That is not sustainable.

And it was also more of a swarming sort of switchy defense.

And it was also more of a swarming sort of switchy defense.

Guys figure that out. The more tape they.

Guys figure that out. The more tape they.

Have on you, it's leaving a lot of guys open and leaving themselves open to exploitive matchups. And by the way, they're letting guys shoot threes right and left, that's going to bite you in the playoffs till.

Have on you, it's leaving a lot of guys open and leaving themselves open to exploitive matchups. And by the way, they're letting guys shoot threes right and left, that's going to bite you in the playoffs till.

Yeah, it is. For the record, Jared Vanderbilt didn't have to score last night. He's still a wild valuable teach. Like Jared Vanderbilt is like wildly important for this basketball team.

Yeah, it is. For the record, Jared Vanderbilt didn't have to score last night. He's still a wild valuable teach. Like Jared Vanderbilt is like wildly important for this basketball team.

Jax and Hayes, I mean, yes, you know.

Jax and Hayes, I mean, yes, you know.

It's interesting. I got an NBA guy who I have deep respect for. Tom Tolbert texted me yesterday. He said, Hey, be careful about your cynicism of OKC. He said, here's stats that are really important. They lead the league in creating turnovers and are last in committing them huge, which, by the way, shows you a maturity which is beyond the years of a team. They're a smart basketball team. When you talk to people in the league, because I have questions about their young players in road playoff environments, what are the people around the league think?

It's interesting. I got an NBA guy who I have deep respect for. Tom Tolbert texted me yesterday. He said, Hey, be careful about your cynicism of OKC. He said, here's stats that are really important. They lead the league in creating turnovers and are last in committing them huge, which, by the way, shows you a maturity which is beyond the years of a team. They're a smart basketball team. When you talk to people in the league, because I have questions about their young players in road playoff environments, what are the people around the league think?

Oh, they think they're for real for sure. And look, there is the fact that this group of guys has not gotten past the second round. And therefore, when the bright lights come on of the conference finals and the NBA Finals, are they going to be able to match up against the teams that have so much experience?

Oh, they think they're for real for sure. And look, there is the fact that this group of guys has not gotten past the second round. And therefore, when the bright lights come on of the conference finals and the NBA Finals, are they going to be able to match up against the teams that have so much experience?

I mean the Boston Celtics. I mean they've been in the finals what three of the last four years. I mean, it's just against teams in some cases.

I mean the Boston Celtics. I mean they've been in the finals what three of the last four years. I mean, it's just against teams in some cases.

That have a lot more of know how of how to do those situations. That being said, number one overall offensively, Number four defensively, this is a team that knows how to play together. They've been playing together a long time. They have an excellent Coach of the year coach, and they are ready.

That have a lot more of know how of how to do those situations. That being said, number one overall offensively, Number four defensively, this is a team that knows how to play together. They've been playing together a long time. They have an excellent Coach of the year coach, and they are ready.

They have the MVP candidate.

They have the MVP candidate.

I mean, they really feel like they are ready to make a move, and people around the league have an enormous amount of respect for them, especially since the rest of the West, as you just pointed out with the Lakers, it's a crapshoot.

I mean, they really feel like they are ready to make a move, and people around the league have an enormous amount of respect for them, especially since the rest of the West, as you just pointed out with the Lakers, it's a crapshoot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean in the East, you can say, hey, the Celtics and the Cavaliers, they've really separated themselves, and the next one else.

I mean in the East, you can say, hey, the Celtics and the Cavaliers, they've really separated themselves, and the next one else.

Upset nick and they don't match.

Upset nick and they don't match.

Up with them anyone else. If they made it to the conference finals, it would be an upset. You can't say that in the West. I would, you know, right in the Thunder, just because they deserve that respect after what they've.

Up with them anyone else. If they made it to the conference finals, it would be an upset. You can't say that in the West. I would, you know, right in the Thunder, just because they deserve that respect after what they've.

Done this season.

Done this season.

It could be one of what six teams opposite them. A lot is going to depend on the bracket and who they face in the conference finals.

It could be one of what six teams opposite them. A lot is going to depend on the bracket and who they face in the conference finals.

The Thunder if they do.

The Thunder if they do.

Make it there, as we expect, that's going to determine if they get to the final and can really make it on that stage.

Make it there, as we expect, that's going to determine if they get to the final and can really make it on that stage.

So when Adam Silver showed up on the show and I really like I can do Adam once a week, I think you're so smart, I did push back. I said, you guys get so paralyzed by trades. Memo, everybody loves trades. By the way their foot show, Hey Angels, Dodgers, Yes, it feels lobsided. Look at your numbers.

So when Adam Silver showed up on the show and I really like I can do Adam once a week, I think you're so smart, I did push back. I said, you guys get so paralyzed by trades. Memo, everybody loves trades. By the way their foot show, Hey Angels, Dodgers, Yes, it feels lobsided. Look at your numbers.

Yes.

Yes.

So my take is I'm watching KD last night. He's auditioning. He's unbelievable. And by the way, he wanted to make sure Boston New Yeah, I can score on your defense, and your defense is unbelievable. He's averaged thirty seven a game, shooting sixty percent from the floor in the last three games. So, and it's interesting about the playoffs. Not only do I love the playoffs for their intensity, but they do show you very clear weaknesses of the Knicks, yes, or the Bucks or the Lakers. I think KD Now, Jay Mack disagrees. I think he's going to have a huge mark of really good teams. What do you hear?

So my take is I'm watching KD last night. He's auditioning. He's unbelievable. And by the way, he wanted to make sure Boston New Yeah, I can score on your defense, and your defense is unbelievable. He's averaged thirty seven a game, shooting sixty percent from the floor in the last three games. So, and it's interesting about the playoffs. Not only do I love the playoffs for their intensity, but they do show you very clear weaknesses of the Knicks, yes, or the Bucks or the Lakers. I think KD Now, Jay Mack disagrees. I think he's going to have a huge mark of really good teams. What do you hear?

I completely agree with you.

I completely agree with you.

Sorry, j Max, But you know, look, you and I were two of the people who ten years ago were saying, man, Katie's game, it's going to age well in this league.

Sorry, j Max, But you know, look, you and I were two of the people who ten years ago were saying, man, Katie's game, it's going to age well in this league.

And guess what I mean.

And guess what I mean.

It's stunning insight, but we were right. Kevin Durant is still extremely valuable to have and There are, of course a lot of people back analyzing the trade with Brooklyn and saying that Phoenix gave up too much for him, and they did give up a lot for him, But the fact that it hasn't been a more successful run there for Kevin Durant has really largely been.

It's stunning insight, but we were right. Kevin Durant is still extremely valuable to have and There are, of course a lot of people back analyzing the trade with Brooklyn and saying that Phoenix gave up too much for him, and they did give up a lot for him, But the fact that it hasn't been a more successful run there for Kevin Durant has really largely been.

About the Bradley Beal trade.

About the Bradley Beal trade.

It is about how handcuffed the team has been in his time there because Bradley bial was acquired and his salary and his no trade clause and the lack of flexibility to build the roster around Kat and Book the way they need to be built. And Bradley Beal is a great guy, and he is a good basketball player. I think his skill has been sort of shaded by all the contract stuff around him.

It is about how handcuffed the team has been in his time there because Bradley bial was acquired and his salary and his no trade clause and the lack of flexibility to build the roster around Kat and Book the way they need to be built. And Bradley Beal is a great guy, and he is a good basketball player. I think his skill has been sort of shaded by all the contract stuff around him.

He is a good basketball player.

He is a good basketball player.

He does not fit with Kevin Durant and Devin Book doesn't work and in fact, not only just moving him to the bench, which they have done when he doesn't play and he's out hurt right now, this team is thirteen and three when he doesn't play and the other two do. Prior to losing to the Celtics the other night, which of course most people lose to the.

He does not fit with Kevin Durant and Devin Book doesn't work and in fact, not only just moving him to the bench, which they have done when he doesn't play and he's out hurt right now, this team is thirteen and three when he doesn't play and the other two do. Prior to losing to the Celtics the other night, which of course most people lose to the.

Celtics, these days.

Celtics, these days.

They were four and oh, including beating the Cavaliers without Bradley Beal. So to me, one of the big questions of where does kad go this summer. It could be the Miami who wants him. It could be the Rockets who want him. However, maybe there's a voice of he could stay in Phoenix if they can get Bradley Beal to accept and want a trade and another team to want him with that deal. But brad said some interesting things recently. He said, look, in the middle of the season, there's too much going on. I didn't want to do a trade at the deadline. He said, this summer you can lay everything out and get a better sense of what you want and where you want to go. And if Phoenix is messaging him right now, we are not playing you. At some point, Bradley Beal wants to play basketball, and so he is going to look around little more than he has the past couple of years and say, Okay, maybe this team wants me and I want to go play for them. If they get that flexibility and freedom, I'd be curious at least what the possibilities are, and they're few because they've traded away all of their draft picks, but they are few. If you could keep Kevin Durant and Booker together, because I do think they played great together.

They were four and oh, including beating the Cavaliers without Bradley Beal. So to me, one of the big questions of where does kad go this summer. It could be the Miami who wants him. It could be the Rockets who want him. However, maybe there's a voice of he could stay in Phoenix if they can get Bradley Beal to accept and want a trade and another team to want him with that deal. But brad said some interesting things recently. He said, look, in the middle of the season, there's too much going on. I didn't want to do a trade at the deadline. He said, this summer you can lay everything out and get a better sense of what you want and where you want to go. And if Phoenix is messaging him right now, we are not playing you. At some point, Bradley Beal wants to play basketball, and so he is going to look around little more than he has the past couple of years and say, Okay, maybe this team wants me and I want to go play for them. If they get that flexibility and freedom, I'd be curious at least what the possibilities are, and they're few because they've traded away all of their draft picks, but they are few. If you could keep Kevin Durant and Booker together, because I do think they played great together.

Yeah, the you know, I was watching Cooper Flag plays tonight and I was telling people, you're much younger, so you remember some of this, and being on the East Coast you remember a lot of it because I was a West Coast kid and loved the Big East Pack ten basketball didn't care. I was a Big East but.

Yeah, the you know, I was watching Cooper Flag plays tonight and I was telling people, you're much younger, so you remember some of this, and being on the East Coast you remember a lot of it because I was a West Coast kid and loved the Big East Pack ten basketball didn't care. I was a Big East but.

It is Georgetown DC girl.

It is Georgetown DC girl.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Basically, if you're twenty, you're under thirty five years old, you don't remember what college basketball in the NBA used to have this symbiotic relationship. You had about nine Cooper Flags a year that you loved in college went to the NBA and were really good immediately. Well, now Cooper Flag is an outlier where like could he be a side team All Stars and he may be in the East. To be landed somewhere is that last year's draft was wildly international and nobody can name the first eight players drafted the I mean the NBA. Do you think the NBA? And it's kind of a theoretical question, but I think it's so fascinating because he is so good. Do you think the NBA realizes deep down that they thought they could do it with themselves with the G League and part of this ratings regression, it's not politics. We need college basketball as our feeder system. Look at the ratings for women's and men's March Madness. It's crazy.

Basically, if you're twenty, you're under thirty five years old, you don't remember what college basketball in the NBA used to have this symbiotic relationship. You had about nine Cooper Flags a year that you loved in college went to the NBA and were really good immediately. Well, now Cooper Flag is an outlier where like could he be a side team All Stars and he may be in the East. To be landed somewhere is that last year's draft was wildly international and nobody can name the first eight players drafted the I mean the NBA. Do you think the NBA? And it's kind of a theoretical question, but I think it's so fascinating because he is so good. Do you think the NBA realizes deep down that they thought they could do it with themselves with the G League and part of this ratings regression, it's not politics. We need college basketball as our feeder system. Look at the ratings for women's and men's March Madness. It's crazy.

No, it was great in those days for the NBA. The problem is they don't control it. You know, they could possibly they're talking about lowering the age limit again back to eighteen.

No, it was great in those days for the NBA. The problem is they don't control it. You know, they could possibly they're talking about lowering the age limit again back to eighteen.

They could possibly decide.

They could possibly decide.

I've always said, why not make it twenty as long as there is a feasible route in the G League for guys who are turning eighteen to make money, Because you don't want to impact these guys' ability to be professionals. The rest of the world gets to work as late teenagers in eighteen nineteen twenty year olds. You don't want to limit these guys' ability to earn a living.

I've always said, why not make it twenty as long as there is a feasible route in the G League for guys who are turning eighteen to make money, Because you don't want to impact these guys' ability to be professionals. The rest of the world gets to work as late teenagers in eighteen nineteen twenty year olds. You don't want to limit these guys' ability to earn a living.

But if there is a.

But if there is a.

Route for that, it doesn't have to be the NBA where they earn a living. If there is a route for them to play professional basketball both internationally and here in the US, and you raise the age limit to twenty, you would get more developed players entering the NBA. You'd be able to scout them better because you can see guys like Cooper Flag coming a mile away. But there's a ton of guys who maybe were scouted one way and they turned into another way. Yanna sent it Tokoupo, nobody thought he was going to be him. No one thought that Nikola Yokich was going to be who he's turned out to be. So there are still guys who if they had another year or two to develop, especially in college American players, you'd be able to know who they were more and they would be delivered to the NBA as more developed products.

Route for that, it doesn't have to be the NBA where they earn a living. If there is a route for them to play professional basketball both internationally and here in the US, and you raise the age limit to twenty, you would get more developed players entering the NBA. You'd be able to scout them better because you can see guys like Cooper Flag coming a mile away. But there's a ton of guys who maybe were scouted one way and they turned into another way. Yanna sent it Tokoupo, nobody thought he was going to be him. No one thought that Nikola Yokich was going to be who he's turned out to be. So there are still guys who if they had another year or two to develop, especially in college American players, you'd be able to know who they were more and they would be delivered to the NBA as more developed products.

I am in the minority.

I am in the minority.

I am the only one I hear saying raise the age limit, don't lower it. But that is how I feel in terms of that question you just asked.

I am the only one I hear saying raise the age limit, don't lower it. But that is how I feel in terms of that question you just asked.

So I proposed it this week that there are solvable and unsolvable problems. The NFL had the concussion issue, it was solvable, pay attention to it, don't roll your eyes at it and change the rules. Steroids solvable, more testing, and then there are unsolvable issues. Football is a violent game. Guys get hurt, seriously, that's just the way it works. I think load management is a bit more solvable because the young players like playing, and also we're not going to give you awards unless you play them in the mount games. I think tanking's unsolvable. I think it is the unsolvable issue because in March, if I can get Cooper Flag, huh, nine of my guys have a chest cold. Interesting, you can't. I'm sorry. But the league, if you look at the greatest players ever, they've often ended up on teams. San Antonio was planning on Wemby three years ago.

So I proposed it this week that there are solvable and unsolvable problems. The NFL had the concussion issue, it was solvable, pay attention to it, don't roll your eyes at it and change the rules. Steroids solvable, more testing, and then there are unsolvable issues. Football is a violent game. Guys get hurt, seriously, that's just the way it works. I think load management is a bit more solvable because the young players like playing, and also we're not going to give you awards unless you play them in the mount games. I think tanking's unsolvable. I think it is the unsolvable issue because in March, if I can get Cooper Flag, huh, nine of my guys have a chest cold. Interesting, you can't. I'm sorry. But the league, if you look at the greatest players ever, they've often ended up on teams. San Antonio was planning on Wemby three years ago.

So I mean, look, tanking is not solvable. You are one hundred percent correct. Look the Spurs, how they ended up getting Tim Duncan was that David Robinson had an injury and then he just seemed to have an injury the entire year, and then they got Tim Duncan, and the next year Tim Duncan and David Robinson played together. Man, that's amazing. So it's not solvable in terms of we're done with it. But I will say the league has gotten itself into more trouble because of the way the contract situations have worked out, and they've made efforts on the other end.

So I mean, look, tanking is not solvable. You are one hundred percent correct. Look the Spurs, how they ended up getting Tim Duncan was that David Robinson had an injury and then he just seemed to have an injury the entire year, and then they got Tim Duncan, and the next year Tim Duncan and David Robinson played together. Man, that's amazing. So it's not solvable in terms of we're done with it. But I will say the league has gotten itself into more trouble because of the way the contract situations have worked out, and they've made efforts on the other end.

They've tried to flatten lottery odds.

They've tried to flatten lottery odds.

But the truth is that in twenty sixteen, because ownership around the league didn't like that, Kevin Durant went to the Golden State Warriors. They invented the Supermax, and the Supermax was supposed to get guys to stay with the teams that drafted them more. The problem with that, though, was that you had uneven situations around the league because you had teams that just weren't in the right draft at the right time, and guys your team and owners felt bad about that. So then they created all these aprons. There's the first apron, there's the second apron. Guy Fieri is apparently managing the NBA. I mean, there's all of this stuff that restricts teams and movement and trades and all of the other things that the only really viable way to start from scratch and rethink.

But the truth is that in twenty sixteen, because ownership around the league didn't like that, Kevin Durant went to the Golden State Warriors. They invented the Supermax, and the Supermax was supposed to get guys to stay with the teams that drafted them more. The problem with that, though, was that you had uneven situations around the league because you had teams that just weren't in the right draft at the right time, and guys your team and owners felt bad about that. So then they created all these aprons. There's the first apron, there's the second apron. Guy Fieri is apparently managing the NBA. I mean, there's all of this stuff that restricts teams and movement and trades and all of the other things that the only really viable way to start from scratch and rethink.

Your team is to tank.

Your team is to tank.

And in fact, Matt Ishbia, the owner of the Phoenix Suns, just gave a really good interview and he talked about, hey, we are never going to do that here. We are never going to clear the decks and tank. We want to win every year. Where you're going to try to win every year, and that's great and fans applauded it.

And in fact, Matt Ishbia, the owner of the Phoenix Suns, just gave a really good interview and he talked about, hey, we are never going to do that here. We are never going to clear the decks and tank. We want to win every year. Where you're going to try to win every year, and that's great and fans applauded it.

Everyone around the league, in every.

Everyone around the league, in every.

Front office you talk to, guys were sort of sending me quotes, sending me quotes from that article.

Front office you talk to, guys were sort of sending me quotes, sending me quotes from that article.

Hahaha. New owner syndrome.

Hahaha. New owner syndrome.

He doesn't get it yet, doesn't he.

He doesn't get it yet, doesn't he.

Know it's literally the only way to do it.

Know it's literally the only way to do it.

We saw it with the Houston Rockets a few years ago and now they're number two in the West.

We saw it with the Houston Rockets a few years ago and now they're number two in the West.

I mean we've seen it over and over.

I mean we've seen it over and over.

So the league has contributed to creating this problem because owners want to stop themselves from overspending. And then it's not fair over there. It's not fair that way. It's not fair that way. Fat the league office his fault. I think the ownership has to take a look at itself in the mirror, at the situation that they have put themselves in, and why so many of them have to tank and then have terrible ticket sales for a couple of years in a row.

So the league has contributed to creating this problem because owners want to stop themselves from overspending. And then it's not fair over there. It's not fair that way. It's not fair that way. Fat the league office his fault. I think the ownership has to take a look at itself in the mirror, at the situation that they have put themselves in, and why so many of them have to tank and then have terrible ticket sales for a couple of years in a row.

I mean, it's just cyclical.

I mean, it's just cyclical.

Yeah. By the way, the last three minutes of Rachel Nichols, it should be played over and over and over because that is the truth in all of this. And I said to Adam when he was on their show. I said, Adam you're paralyzed by trades. Kevin Durant and Warriors were the highest rated team. Of course, you couldn't turn them off. Yes, it made people briefly uncomfortable. So did Shaq and Kobe. Shaq and Kobe made people uncomfortable. For the record, Michael won six MVPs and went six and six in the finals. Bill Russell, as the league was being formed, and popularized one eleven titles, Dynasties yukon women's and men's basketball. They're not the worst thing.

Yeah. By the way, the last three minutes of Rachel Nichols, it should be played over and over and over because that is the truth in all of this. And I said to Adam when he was on their show. I said, Adam you're paralyzed by trades. Kevin Durant and Warriors were the highest rated team. Of course, you couldn't turn them off. Yes, it made people briefly uncomfortable. So did Shaq and Kobe. Shaq and Kobe made people uncomfortable. For the record, Michael won six MVPs and went six and six in the finals. Bill Russell, as the league was being formed, and popularized one eleven titles, Dynasties yukon women's and men's basketball. They're not the worst thing.

No, they're popular.

No, they're popular.

Dynasties sell casual fans get invested in them.

Dynasties sell casual fans get invested in them.

But it's not a front office issue.

But it's not a front office issue.

Adam Silver can't solve that when he has owners around the league.

Adam Silver can't solve that when he has owners around the league.

No, the owners meetings saying.

No, the owners meetings saying.

That's not fair, that's not fair, let's make a new rule.

That's not fair, that's not fair, let's make a new rule.

The other thing that made Katie work in Golden State was Steph was on a cheap deal because of his injuries.

The other thing that made Katie work in Golden State was Steph was on a cheap deal because of his injuries.

It was such a crazy confluence.

It was such a crazy confluence.

It was.

It was.

It was a complete confluence of events. He shouldn't have been under that contract.

It was a complete confluence of events. He shouldn't have been under that contract.

The salary cap blew up in a big bubble. The way it's not going to this time around. They're going to distribute the TV money more evenly, over the years, there were so many things about Katie going to the Warriors that were not replicatable, and yet they made all these rules, and then all those rules created new problems, and then that's now created this problem. So again, I don't think you're ever going to solve tanking Spurs David Robinson, Tim Duncan, but I do think that they have gotten themselves into this pickle more where it is the only route now, and that is creating an issue for fans who want to watch good basketball games. I mean, you watch some of these games right now and it's like you can't even pick out there's so many two way guys on the floor, you can't even pick out who's playing.

The salary cap blew up in a big bubble. The way it's not going to this time around. They're going to distribute the TV money more evenly, over the years, there were so many things about Katie going to the Warriors that were not replicatable, and yet they made all these rules, and then all those rules created new problems, and then that's now created this problem. So again, I don't think you're ever going to solve tanking Spurs David Robinson, Tim Duncan, but I do think that they have gotten themselves into this pickle more where it is the only route now, and that is creating an issue for fans who want to watch good basketball games. I mean, you watch some of these games right now and it's like you can't even pick out there's so many two way guys on the floor, you can't even pick out who's playing.

That's why I watched the Celtic Suns last night. Tatum's actually hurt, which is never hurt, but it was fun because it was like KD was playing, like he was showing off to the lead.

That's why I watched the Celtic Suns last night. Tatum's actually hurt, which is never hurt, but it was fun because it was like KD was playing, like he was showing off to the lead.

Well, the Sons have none of their own first round draft picks till twenty you know, through twenty thirty one, so they don't have to tank.

Well, the Sons have none of their own first round draft picks till twenty you know, through twenty thirty one, so they don't have to tank.

They can't tank.

They can't tank.

It doesn't help them at all helps the Houston Rockets, so they're gonna put it all out there in Boston's getting ready for a championship run. But there aren't that many of those games right now, Colin. There are the games the other way around a lot of the time.

It doesn't help them at all helps the Houston Rockets, so they're gonna put it all out there in Boston's getting ready for a championship run. But there aren't that many of those games right now, Colin. There are the games the other way around a lot of the time.

All right, almost professorial. Just just you should have grabbed a dais, sat up there and told the league how it works. All getting smarter, Rachel Nichols.

All right, almost professorial. Just just you should have grabbed a dais, sat up there and told the league how it works. All getting smarter, Rachel Nichols.

Thank you so much, Colin.

Thank you so much, Colin.

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Again, people, what's really interesting about the world. I talk to this about my wife all the time. People overreact to everything, and I don't even know if I'm built for media anymore. Remember when David Letterman left The Late Show because you had Jimmy Fallon doing musical bits and Colbert was talking politics, and like, Letterman's like, you know, I don't think I'm built for this generation. Is that the media now is like headlines this week, the madness is out of March. I'm the wet blanket. I'm the guy in the country that goes no actually the ratings are up. We never watched for the Madness. We watched for Duke and Big Brands in Carolina and you know, Michigan State and syracusean Yukon.

Again, people, what's really interesting about the world. I talk to this about my wife all the time. People overreact to everything, and I don't even know if I'm built for media anymore. Remember when David Letterman left The Late Show because you had Jimmy Fallon doing musical bits and Colbert was talking politics, and like, Letterman's like, you know, I don't think I'm built for this generation. Is that the media now is like headlines this week, the madness is out of March. I'm the wet blanket. I'm the guy in the country that goes no actually the ratings are up. We never watched for the Madness. We watched for Duke and Big Brands in Carolina and you know, Michigan State and syracusean Yukon.

Oh.

Oh.

It's like everything now is so overheated. And I think your job as a commissioner or a general manager is not overreact, right, And so I think the NBA a little bit overreacted to Kevin Durant to the Warriors because it felt unfair and all the owners were upset. They were getting huge ratings. It wasn't gonna last forever. Kevin Durant, you could feel, you know, by year two they were getting a little prickly and Draymon and it was a little explosive. So now you're kind of trapped as a league. You know, by March, you know, seven or eight teams are like just not playing anybody. And the Lakers can't do that, by the way, as we talked about earlier, because they could fall into a playing spot because the West is deep, there is a lot of talent. Just wait till next year when Dallas is healthy and they're gonna be The West is only getting better. Utah is going nowhere but up Oklahoma City's going nowhere but up Dallas. When these guys are healthy, is gonna be a team full of dogs. That's gonna be a really good team. Jay mcklanews, turn on the news.

It's like everything now is so overheated. And I think your job as a commissioner or a general manager is not overreact, right, And so I think the NBA a little bit overreacted to Kevin Durant to the Warriors because it felt unfair and all the owners were upset. They were getting huge ratings. It wasn't gonna last forever. Kevin Durant, you could feel, you know, by year two they were getting a little prickly and Draymon and it was a little explosive. So now you're kind of trapped as a league. You know, by March, you know, seven or eight teams are like just not playing anybody. And the Lakers can't do that, by the way, as we talked about earlier, because they could fall into a playing spot because the West is deep, there is a lot of talent. Just wait till next year when Dallas is healthy and they're gonna be The West is only getting better. Utah is going nowhere but up Oklahoma City's going nowhere but up Dallas. When these guys are healthy, is gonna be a team full of dogs. That's gonna be a really good team. Jay mcklanews, turn on the news.

This is the herd Line news.

This is the herd Line news.

Right, Carlon, Let's start with the Lakers game winner last night from Lebron.

Right, Carlon, Let's start with the Lakers game winner last night from Lebron.

Here it is Luca with the drive.

Here it is Luca with the drive.

Bounces off the rim in an incredible putback by Lebron.

Bounces off the rim in an incredible putback by Lebron.

His eighth game winner.

His eighth game winner.

Colin in his career, tied for second with Joe Johnson Iso Joe huh. Interesting gotta be tied with Michael Jordan's number one with nine buzzer beaters, Kobe also at eight, and you see Paul Pierce FS One's own Paul Pierre at seven. I don't know did you see this live because Lebron had had a rough game, as you mentioned earlier.

Colin in his career, tied for second with Joe Johnson Iso Joe huh. Interesting gotta be tied with Michael Jordan's number one with nine buzzer beaters, Kobe also at eight, and you see Paul Pierce FS One's own Paul Pierre at seven. I don't know did you see this live because Lebron had had a rough game, as you mentioned earlier.

No, I saw it on YouTube. I watched the first half. I thought it was awful, and then I went out and then I watched later. I watched Boston and Phoenix, which which was a blowout, but it was a fun first half.

No, I saw it on YouTube. I watched the first half. I thought it was awful, and then I went out and then I watched later. I watched Boston and Phoenix, which which was a blowout, but it was a fun first half.

Yeah, Lakers needed this one badly, Yes, and I would expect him to rest guys tonight against Chicago, a back to back. By the way, I know people are like a Lakers defense six. This was their eighth game in twelve days. It has been a brutal stretch because of the canceled games due to the fires. They backloaded it. They're gonna load up on that Memphis game Saturday night.

Yeah, Lakers needed this one badly, Yes, and I would expect him to rest guys tonight against Chicago, a back to back. By the way, I know people are like a Lakers defense six. This was their eighth game in twelve days. It has been a brutal stretch because of the canceled games due to the fires. They backloaded it. They're gonna load up on that Memphis game Saturday night.

That's a huge swing game in the West.

That's a huge swing game in the West.

And then they got the Rockets here Monday night out in La So whatach Chicago?

And then they got the Rockets here Monday night out in La So whatach Chicago?

What are the Bulls getting in this game at home against the Lakers.

What are the Bulls getting in this game at home against the Lakers.

I haven't seen the line yet. By the way, I'm all first quarters for the Lakers. The last two have not cast. I think teams have caught up, the markets caught up with the Lakers, So no need to better those first quarters anymore. Guys. Let's move to the next next story, and that is the richest man in baseball makes his met debut today. That's Juan Soto, signed fifteen years, seven hundred and sixty five million dollars contract.

I haven't seen the line yet. By the way, I'm all first quarters for the Lakers. The last two have not cast. I think teams have caught up, the markets caught up with the Lakers, So no need to better those first quarters anymore. Guys. Let's move to the next next story, and that is the richest man in baseball makes his met debut today. That's Juan Soto, signed fifteen years, seven hundred and sixty five million dollars contract.

He's a two to eighty five career ait A college. Did you know that.

He's a two to eighty five career ait A college. Did you know that.

Two hundred and one career home runs, five hundred ninety two RBI fourteen As.

Two hundred and one career home runs, five hundred ninety two RBI fourteen As.

Start perfect swing, he has a perfect swing.

Start perfect swing, he has a perfect swing.

Yeah, but seven hundred and sixty five million dollars.

Yeah, but seven hundred and sixty five million dollars.

There will be a billion dollar contract.

There will be a billion dollar contract.

He's worth more than Patrick Mahomes. No, of course, not because.

He's worth more than Patrick Mahomes. No, of course, not because.

He worth more than well, they also have two kids. No, but they have one hundred and sixty two games. So the merchandising the seats, that's why baseball can do this. You have so many games. Only have eight home games in the NFL. Yeah, yeah, what'd you say, Ryan, Yeah, yeah, Mahomes get another one.

He worth more than well, they also have two kids. No, but they have one hundred and sixty two games. So the merchandising the seats, that's why baseball can do this. You have so many games. Only have eight home games in the NFL. Yeah, yeah, what'd you say, Ryan, Yeah, yeah, Mahomes get another one.

I don't think it'll be.

I don't think it'll be.

But the other thing is because there's no salary cap, Mahomes is going to try to sign team friendly deals because he wants to win. Because remember, Mahomes has only been humiliated twice, both times in Super Bowls, both times because they were bad at left tackle. So Mahomes, there's no value for Mahomes in takeing every penny. It's like I don't want to get you can also get hurt. Yeah, if you don't share the money and baseball take whatever they give you.

But the other thing is because there's no salary cap, Mahomes is going to try to sign team friendly deals because he wants to win. Because remember, Mahomes has only been humiliated twice, both times in Super Bowls, both times because they were bad at left tackle. So Mahomes, there's no value for Mahomes in takeing every penny. It's like I don't want to get you can also get hurt. Yeah, if you don't share the money and baseball take whatever they give you.

So it's to the point where the baseball contracts are so ridiculously large that if your kid is a major superstar athlete basketball, football, baseball, which sport.

So it's to the point where the baseball contracts are so ridiculously large that if your kid is a major superstar athlete basketball, football, baseball, which sport.

Are you telling him to go into column tennis?

Are you telling him to go into column tennis?

What are you not following the tennis lawsuit right now? Like tennis players are woefully underpaid. I think you got to steal your kid toward baseball.

What are you not following the tennis lawsuit right now? Like tennis players are woefully underpaid. I think you got to steal your kid toward baseball.

Now. I don't know about you.

Now. I don't know about you.

I've never signed my kids up for baseball because I personally don't want to sit in the spring. My weather's great for like ninety.

I've never signed my kids up for baseball because I personally don't want to sit in the spring. My weather's great for like ninety.

I said that one time, and people say you're selfish. I said, I'm not a taxi driver. I told my kids I'll take you to games as long as you care. And then my daughter said, I don't want to be in a van all summer playing volleyball. I said, okay, great, let's go to the lake. I had way more fun going skiing with my kids and go to the lake than you did it sitting in a gym in Youngstown, Ohio. Am I a bad dad if I think you could do both?

I said that one time, and people say you're selfish. I said, I'm not a taxi driver. I told my kids I'll take you to games as long as you care. And then my daughter said, I don't want to be in a van all summer playing volleyball. I said, okay, great, let's go to the lake. I had way more fun going skiing with my kids and go to the lake than you did it sitting in a gym in Youngstown, Ohio. Am I a bad dad if I think you could do both?

But obviously one has an expiration date. But yeah, we never signed our kids up for baseball or softball. And I love hitting the baseball in the yard. It's fun playing some cats with your kids.

But obviously one has an expiration date. But yeah, we never signed our kids up for baseball or softball. And I love hitting the baseball in the yard. It's fun playing some cats with your kids.

That's listen. When my daughter played volleyball, I loved going to the match. Volleyball's quick, it's fun. It's fat volleyball.

That's listen. When my daughter played volleyball, I loved going to the match. Volleyball's quick, it's fun. It's fat volleyball.

When you get bay, I'll be spending seven hours in a volleyball gym this weekend.

When you get bay, I'll be spending seven hours in a volleyball gym this weekend.

No no, I did that for two years. Thank god. My daughter got tired of it.

No no, I did that for two years. Thank god. My daughter got tired of it.

This is year three.

This is year three.

It was the greatest moment in my life.

It was the greatest moment in my life.

It's fat.

It's fat.

I'm tired of being in a van all summer going to San Bernardino. I'm like, right, let's go to the Lake Fornino.

I'm tired of being in a van all summer going to San Bernardino. I'm like, right, let's go to the Lake Fornino.

Final story.

Final story.

Colin is Jokic the second best player in the NBA after luc I guess. Anyways, he missed five straight games with an ankle injury, and he came back and had that unbelievable assistant and then he just kept going. Thirty nine point triple double in a ten point went over the Bucks.

Colin is Jokic the second best player in the NBA after luc I guess. Anyways, he missed five straight games with an ankle injury, and he came back and had that unbelievable assistant and then he just kept going. Thirty nine point triple double in a ten point went over the Bucks.

Jokic scorer assisted.

Jokic scorer assisted.

On sixty one of the one twenty seven points, his thirtieth triple double of this season.

On sixty one of the one twenty seven points, his thirtieth triple double of this season.

I just beat down. It's a good Jokic healthy.

I just beat down. It's a good Jokic healthy.

Look at him. I mean, I'll tell you something now.

Look at him. I mean, I'll tell you something now.

Yannis did not play last night. I don't know if he was upset with the dame situation and.

Yannis did not play last night. I don't know if he was upset with the dame situation and.

Maybe he didn't want to get roasted. Hey, let me ask you this. Do we need to start having conversations? And I'm serious on this, greatest centers of all time. So Russell's got all the rings, Kareem's got all the points. I'm just telling you, if you're asking me, jokicch Shakakeem, those guys didn't do this. No, I mean this. This is the most well rounded player. First of all, here's yoke. Jokic is the most skilled big by a mile over any big of all to number two year, and he's a mile from it. He didn't play his best years here in the States, But I think we have to have it. We have to have a real discussion about this. Shaq was more dynamic. Shaq couldn't shoot. Shaq didn't ball handle like that late in his career. Shack couldn't pass like that. Shaq, you had semi commitment. Shack wasn't in great shape.

Maybe he didn't want to get roasted. Hey, let me ask you this. Do we need to start having conversations? And I'm serious on this, greatest centers of all time. So Russell's got all the rings, Kareem's got all the points. I'm just telling you, if you're asking me, jokicch Shakakeem, those guys didn't do this. No, I mean this. This is the most well rounded player. First of all, here's yoke. Jokic is the most skilled big by a mile over any big of all to number two year, and he's a mile from it. He didn't play his best years here in the States, But I think we have to have it. We have to have a real discussion about this. Shaq was more dynamic. Shaq couldn't shoot. Shaq didn't ball handle like that late in his career. Shack couldn't pass like that. Shaq, you had semi commitment. Shack wasn't in great shape.

Sha donnas Okay, look at those Doughey.

Sha donnas Okay, look at those Doughey.

This guy is the most skilled big easily in Leak history.

This guy is the most skilled big easily in Leak history.

You know, I thought it was probably Elijah one because his footwork and offensive I mean, he was.

You know, I thought it was probably Elijah one because his footwork and offensive I mean, he was.

By the way a Keem gave Shack fits. Shaq would tell I watched a keem in Shaq go Toe to Tona a series once? I mean I saw them, maybe it was a series. I remember watching them play.

By the way a Keem gave Shack fits. Shaq would tell I watched a keem in Shaq go Toe to Tona a series once? I mean I saw them, maybe it was a series. I remember watching them play.

It was the NBA Finals. I think Shaq got swept. Yeah, they got.

It was the NBA Finals. I think Shaq got swept. Yeah, they got.

A keem is they put him in a blunder.

A keem is they put him in a blunder.

I know you mentioned Russell and a lot. I listen, your boy Simmons was on the show. I'm not besmirching his name. Bill Russell was six', Nine. Yo kich would absolutely eviscerate. Him i'm.

I know you mentioned Russell and a lot. I listen, your boy Simmons was on the show. I'm not besmirching his name. Bill Russell was six', Nine. Yo kich would absolutely eviscerate. Him i'm.

SORRY i Mean Bill russell was like compare, Somebody, okay, good so, Well so.

SORRY i Mean Bill russell was like compare, Somebody, okay, good so, Well so.

Let's not mention those guys. Anymore. Now wilt is an interesting. One, obviously never saw him. Live you probably saw him, live, RIGHT.

Let's not mention those guys. Anymore. Now wilt is an interesting. One, obviously never saw him. Live you probably saw him, live, RIGHT.

I saw old Headband.

I saw old Headband.

Wiled how dominant are we talking?

Wiled how dominant are we talking?

Like?

Like?

Yo WHEN i.

Yo WHEN i.

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Watched, him he didn't exactly get back on. Defense wilt at that point had he'd stayed up really, late didn't. COMMIT i, mean it was it was just not it was.

Nothing he had some fun with the. Ladies IF i, recall, right you.

Nothing he had some fun with the. Ladies IF i, recall, right you.

Know who was good in the seventies that nobody talks about and was, Unbelievable Bill. Walton oh, well, yeah, dude let me tell you. SOMETHING i college to his first FIVE nba, Seasons walton Was jokic all time. Great, NO i Mean walton Was. Jokic he was the best passing big ever. Seen he could hit a mid, ranger he was dominant. Inside Bill walton is the only Player i've ever seen play center that looks Like. JOKIC i, Mean Bill walton was doing forty years ahead of his, time. FIFTY i just if.

Know who was good in the seventies that nobody talks about and was, Unbelievable Bill. Walton oh, well, yeah, dude let me tell you. SOMETHING i college to his first FIVE nba, Seasons walton Was jokic all time. Great, NO i Mean walton Was. Jokic he was the best passing big ever. Seen he could hit a mid, ranger he was dominant. Inside Bill walton is the only Player i've ever seen play center that looks Like. JOKIC i, Mean Bill walton was doing forty years ahead of his, time. FIFTY i just if.

You're having a draft and you had you could take any center you, won AND i got second, pick who are you going?

You're having a draft and you had you could take any center you, won AND i got second, pick who are you going?

First playing the modern? GAME i think you gotta go With?

First playing the modern? GAME i think you gotta go With?

Yoki, yes who? WOULD i, Mean wemby's.

Yoki, yes who? WOULD i, Mean wemby's.

Not quite a. Sentence he could.

Not quite a. Sentence he could.

Be i'm not JUST i mean, people, listen it was took a while for me to come on. BOARD i, mean he's unstoppable right. NOW i don't want to see him in from The. Lakers i'd much rather take on your.

Be i'm not JUST i mean, people, listen it was took a while for me to come on. BOARD i, mean he's unstoppable right. NOW i don't want to see him in from The. Lakers i'd much rather take on your.

Boy all all you need to know is This draymon can shut Down. Yannis draymond laughs at the suggestion he can do anything With Jokis draymon Faced. Giannis was it like ten days ago held him to five field? Goals Jo, KISCH i Mean draymond's like, that we're not even let's do. It we're not nobody stopping. Him it's Like Michael jordan in his, prime there was No michael stop well who there was A michael.

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Stopper Dyson daniels right now is really one of the best defensive.

Stopper Dyson daniels right now is really one of the best defensive.

Players no, Laugh do you even know who that?

Players no, Laugh do you even know who that?

IS i, Know Jared jackson's pretty. Good is he a good?

IS i, Know Jared jackson's pretty. Good is he a good?

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Defender, Yeah, memphis he's a Big you're, Right Jordan. Torch you know The expansion era in the, Nineties magic And berg were gone. Whatever yokisch is doing it in an era With Lebron curry is the.

Best Phil jackson one time was at a doctor's office and my wife was. There and my wife doesn't know, sports and she said she told. Me she, GOES i KNEW i had seen him, before And i'm, LIKE i laughed because my wife spent so many years In chicago and went To bulls. Games she, GOES i knew this guy was a famous guy with, sports BUT i don't know. Sports and it was true, story and, uh and then, Uh phil's a very gregarious, guy start talking or, whatever and my wife's. Cute and then so at one, point, uh my wife, says, yeah my husband does, this and my wife, said, yeah my husband's calling. Character phil's like telling me's wrong About lebron because you know he coached. Them. Jay So phil doesn't like me, apparently which IS i don't.

Best Phil jackson one time was at a doctor's office and my wife was. There and my wife doesn't know, sports and she said she told. Me she, GOES i KNEW i had seen him, before And i'm, LIKE i laughed because my wife spent so many years In chicago and went To bulls. Games she, GOES i knew this guy was a famous guy with, sports BUT i don't know. Sports and it was true, story and, uh and then, Uh phil's a very gregarious, guy start talking or, whatever and my wife's. Cute and then so at one, point, uh my wife, says, yeah my husband does, this and my wife, said, yeah my husband's calling. Character phil's like telling me's wrong About lebron because you know he coached. Them. Jay So phil doesn't like me, apparently which IS i don't.

CARE i, mean some people have you said today don't like?

CARE i, mean some people have you said today don't like?

You, OH i have a Lot Aaron rodgers number. One, YEAH i GUESS i don't know Why phil. Wouldn't i've been nothing but a GREAT i, MEAN i think he's the best basketball Coach I've i've ever.

You, OH i have a Lot Aaron rodgers number. One, YEAH i GUESS i don't know Why phil. Wouldn't i've been nothing but a GREAT i, MEAN i think he's the best basketball Coach I've i've ever.

Seen he's he's up there with, me up, there he's up there near the. TOP i need to give it more.

Seen he's he's up there with, me up, there he's up there near the. TOP i need to give it more.

THOUGHT i, mean you sprung this on me at the last, second AND i wasn't prepared to go through the.

THOUGHT i, mean you sprung this on me at the last, second AND i wasn't prepared to go through the.

Greatest that's Why Phil.

Greatest that's Why Phil.

Jackson Steve currs up.

Jackson Steve currs up.

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There steve's very. Good he Told, phil, no thank. YOU i don't want to be the next. Coach that was his best move. Ever part of the NIXT J mack with a.

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Area SO i went to a movie theater recently to Watch Black. Bag Steven, soderberg WHO i watch all this. MOVIES i talked about this. Yesterday i'm generally gonna go to movies to watch Directors, Spielberg Christopher, Nolan Martin. Scorsese there's a handful of. Them Even soderberg Did traffic sexalized, videotape so he has Got Black. BAG i thought it was very, good very, quick excellent. Movie he does kind of quirky. Movies David lynch for a while and went to his. Movies i'm more director and writer over movie. Star but. Whatever but WHENEVER i go to a, MOVIE i notice. THIS i see a lot of, seniors AND i tend to go to movie theaters not when they're. CROWDED i go in the. AFTERNOON i went eleven forty in the. AFTERNOON a couple of weeks ago or a week. AGO i go. EARLY i never go at. Night AND i always noticed. Seniors there's a lot of seniors to go to, movies and especially these uh you, know these these movies got food and. Alcohol they're having the time of their. Life AND i always think, like like, that the industry of, movies it's not really built for. Me when you get me to a. Theater i'm a busy. GUY i got, KIDS i got. Businesses seniors there are a lot of. Movies they're, retired they got nothing to, do they're hanging. Out they love. MOVIES i every TIME i go to a movie, THEATER i see seniors, everywhere AND i think that's a cool. Life go and watch a movie times a. WEEK i don't have. Time so a movie's a true hit when you could get me a casual into. IT i went and Watched. Oppenheimer that's a big. Hit, OKAY i didn't go To. Barbie all my kids did loved, it and, again my kid's pretty. Busy only one of them is a movie Zealot. Josh so my point is you need, casuals not the die hards to really make it. Work movie theaters have always had seniors and diehards going nobody's in a. Theater it's when you get a big you, Know, avengers all go to, That all go To Tom, Cruise Mission, Impossible all go to A Christopher nolan. Movie that's when you have a. Hit. Right you can't do it off indie, films, sorry, actors you. Can't you, know you got your passion. Projects everybody used to get, Those not as much. Anymore you gotta fund them. Yourself so my take is The yankees And dodgers are favored to get in The World. Series and you know, what that's great because the heads hate it. Baseball the last fifteen, years baseball purists didn't go. Anywhere the casuals left the Casual my staff is full of. Casuals you know who watched the playoffs last, Year all the casuals and the. Diehards so when people there's this thing about guys that like it's kind of, braggy, like hey, MAN i got The Major League baseball. PACKAGE i watch one hundred and forty two. Games oh so you don't have a. Girlfriend, okay it's not that. Cool it's most, people even. Sportscasters you, know you get, kids you have a, life you're doing, stuff you have. Friends you don't want to surrender your life to sitting around Watching Missouri Valley conference basketball all. Day so you, KNOW i Had rob manfred on and we were talking about this yesterday about The dodgers and Show hayes. INFLUENCE i think it's greater than baseball.